The Legend of Zelda (Ganon's Conquest) [ENDGAME]

[Boogs]

Rip Sockachu.

Was busy last night after work doing Halloween and have to work this morning. Will post my thoughts on stuff on my break today.

[Bass_the_Clever]

RIP Hegde and MP .
Sorry I wasn't around at all last night. I going to read over what happen and see whats up from there.

[Boogs]

Alright so I dont understand some suspicion on me for being helpful? I m playing the game and trying to win rupees for our team to give to Ganon. I would be more low key and not suggest the rupee idea if i wanted the money for myself. And also, we didnt have many voters on that event, so the voters should be looked at today because the odds are at least one was Maia trying to earn money if not more and the participants need to help us out or we cant be upgraded to be protected by Ganon.

[Boogs]

Ebwop Non-Participants
Using my phone at work

[Snow Dog]

Alright so I dont understand some suspicion on me for being helpful? I m playing the game and trying to win rupees for our team to give to Ganon. I would be more low key and not suggest the rupee idea if i wanted the money for myself. And also, we didnt have many voters on that event, so the voters should be looked at today because the odds are at least one was Maia trying to earn money if not more and the participants need to help us out or we cant be upgraded to be protected by Ganon.

I can't get my head around this post. By voters do you mean betters? And if you do i still don't understand.
On the one hand you are saying let's bet on the money game and now you are saying let's eye those people that betted.

Help me out here!

[Marmot]

Alright so I dont understand some suspicion on me for being helpful? I m playing the game and trying to win rupees for our team to give to Ganon. I would be more low key and not suggest the rupee idea if i wanted the money for myself. And also, we didnt have many voters on that event, so the voters should be looked at today because the odds are at least one was Maia trying to earn money if not more and the participants need to help us out or we cant be upgraded to be protected by Ganon.

I can't get my head around this post. By voters do you mean betters? And if you do i still don't understand.
On the one hand you are saying let's bet on the money game and now you are saying let's eye those people that betted.

Help me out here!

I agree with you Snow Dog, this post is all over the place, and a bit hypocritical.

To players saying they are trying to win rupees to support Ganon, we still have to lynch baddies. This is something that we can do regardless of our status or how many rupees Ganon has.

I can expound on Boogs' last point. I think the betting was a good thing to do. Ganon should be able to mathematically determine how many rupees he earned/lost to figure out if a Hyrulian was betting or not.

[Snow Dog]

Alright so I dont understand some suspicion on me for being helpful? I m playing the game and trying to win rupees for our team to give to Ganon. I would be more low key and not suggest the rupee idea if i wanted the money for myself. And also, we didnt have many voters on that event, so the voters should be looked at today because the odds are at least one was Maia trying to earn money if not more and the participants need to help us out or we cant be upgraded to be protected by Ganon.

I can't get my head around this post. By voters do you mean betters? And if you do i still don't understand.
On the one hand you are saying let's bet on the money game and now you are saying let's eye those people that betted.

Help me out here!

I agree with you Snow Dog, this post is all over the place, and a bit hypocritical.

To players saying they are trying to win rupees to support Ganon, we still have to lynch baddies. This is something that we can do regardless of our status or how many rupees Ganon has.

I can expound on Boogs' last point. I think the betting was a good thing to do. Ganon should be able to mathematically determine how many rupees he earned/lost to figure out if a Hyrulian was betting or not.

I didn't bet because of losing money. At the time of course I didn't know the odds but it seems that an evenly spread vote by team Ganon would have netted a good result. So, sorry for being over cautious but i was worried about frittering the money away.

[Marmot]

I voted mainly to keep things even.

[S~V~S]

Sorry so quiet, weekend, Rl yada yada yada. I have D & D today, but since the other thread is dead (or maybe killed is a better way to put it, lol) I should have more than enough time to get caught up.

[fingersplints]

I also don't understand Boogs post there. But I'm still unsure if I think he is more likely a guardian or hyrule. Some of the weird posts he has made it seems likely if he were bad he could have cleared them up in his btsc.

[fingersplints]

How does everyone feel about Elo? She has seemed pretty blendy and under the radar for me, which could be because she is a baddie, but she always seems kind of like that to me.

[Russtifinko]

Regarding Dom, Rusti, if just seems too obvious. If he was bad he'd seem more good if you know what I mean. Like Aragorn.

Yeah, I agree with your point. I knew what you meant until you said Aragorn; he was good through and through.

He was. But when the hobbits first met him Sam thought that because he looked foul he seemed fair. On the other hand if Aragorn had been evil then he would have looked good.

Can't remember the exact quote.

And I am always sad when MP is out of the game. Plus side, probably fewer long posts to read.

Oh, right! I do remember that, actually. Just read the books.

And Boromir was fair but had sort of a dark side.

Alright so I dont understand some suspicion on me for being helpful? I m playing the game and trying to win rupees for our team to give to Ganon. I would be more low key and not suggest the rupee idea if i wanted the money for myself. And also, we didnt have many voters on that event, so the voters should be looked at today because the odds are at least one was Maia trying to earn money if not more and the participants need to help us out or we cant be upgraded to be protected by Ganon.

I can't get my head around this post. By voters do you mean betters? And if you do i still don't understand.
On the one hand you are saying let's bet on the money game and now you are saying let's eye those people that betted.

Help me out here!

I agree with you Snow Dog, this post is all over the place, and a bit hypocritical.

To players saying they are trying to win rupees to support Ganon, we still have to lynch baddies. This is something that we can do regardless of our status or how many rupees Ganon has.

I can expound on Boogs' last point. I think the betting was a good thing to do. Ganon should be able to mathematically determine how many rupees he earned/lost to figure out if a Hyrulian was betting or not.

What do you mean by this last bit? If I understood it correctly, there would be no way for Ganon to tell alignment, even in a general sense of numbers, from the bets. The amounts won and lost weren't even revealed to us until after the Night ended.

How does everyone feel about Elo? She has seemed pretty blendy and under the radar for me, which could be because she is a baddie, but she always seems kind of like that to me.

She always seems like that to me too, FWIW.

I bet Epi knows her alignment.

[Marmot]

Here's what I mean Russti, by way of an example.

So the gambling game from last night involved 7 players (by my count) voting. 2 for first, 2 for second, and 3 for third. These were the results.

Based on a random drawing:

The first option = -10 rupees
The second option = +10 rupees (Push)
The third options = +20 rupees

For exmple, if Ganon won 70 rupees, there are only 2 possible outcomes for this.

1) Ganon's army ---> - 10*1 vote for first (-10) + 10*2 votes for second (+20) + 20*3 votes for third (+60) = 70 rupees ---> this leaves one unaccounted vote for first, meaning that one of the two voters for first is NOT in Ganon's army.

2) Ganon's army ---> - 10*0 votes for first (0) + 10*1 vote for second (+10) + 20*3 vote for third (+60) = 70 rupees ---> this leaves three votes unaccounted for, which means both players who voted first, as well as one player who voted second are NOT in Ganon's army.



Addendum: This is definitely a complicated way of figuring out who the baddies are, but if Ganon is a mathematically inclined player, then he could potentially deduce it. Now of course if Ganon lost 10 rupees overall, then there would be far too many outcomes to try and figure it out, but I think this is worth noting.

[Marmot]

zeek is quiet. I was looking forward to hearing from him.

I'm placing my vote there for now.

[Made]

Here's what I mean Russti, by way of an example.

So the gambling game from last night involved 7 players (by my count) voting. 2 for first, 2 for second, and 3 for third. These were the results.

Based on a random drawing:

The first option = -10 rupees
The second option = +10 rupees (Push)
The third options = +20 rupees

For exmple, if Ganon won 70 rupees, there are only 2 possible outcomes for this.

1) Ganon's army ---> - 10*1 vote for first (-10) + 10*2 votes for second (+20) + 20*3 votes for third (+60) = 70 rupees ---> this leaves one unaccounted vote for first, meaning that one of the two voters for first is NOT in Ganon's army.

2) Ganon's army ---> - 10*0 votes for first (0) + 10*1 vote for second (+10) + 20*3 vote for third (+60) = 70 rupees ---> this leaves three votes unaccounted for, which means both players who voted first, as well as one player who voted second are NOT in Ganon's army.



Addendum: This is definitely a complicated way of figuring out who the baddies are, but if Ganon is a mathematically inclined player, then he could potentially deduce it. Now of course if Ganon lost 10 rupees overall, then there would be far too many outcomes to try and figure it out, but I think this is worth noting.

Gannon get you ass in gear

[Tangrowth]

Rezz please

I want to do math

[thellama73]

Back now. Rereading Boogs and Eloh at the request of Snow Dog and Splintsy-Splints. I will report back on my findings.

[Snow Dog]

Back now. Rereading Boogs and Eloh at the request of Snow Dog and Splintsy-Splints. I will report back on my findings.

Roger!

[nijuukyugou]

I am throwing/hosting/making lots of delectable treats and beverages for a post-Halloween party tonight, so I will not be on later unless I get drunk and decide to check the game on my phone (which...might be likely You have been forewarned).

RIP Mr. Sock At least you haven't died early in EVERY game lately, which is an improvement

Boogs still looks weird to me. Almost every post is "Ganon this, Ganon that," which just reads like he wants to verbally mark himself as Civ. His recent post chastising his "Ganon teammates" looked off, too - let's look at the betters because they might be mafia, but let's also blame the non-betters for not contributing to Almighty Ganon. It's all over the place, and while he says he's being chastised for being "helpful," this kind of post isn't particularly helpful because of the confusion. (For the record, I didn't bet because...well, I honestly forgot, and I'm a little annoyed with myself. I may not be a gambler in real life, but video game money? Put it on the table )

On another note, LizKeen mentioned that she's not convinced Made isn't a baddie. I'd like to see why (she said she'd mention it). I'd also like to see if sabie still has suspicion of Made, as well. He's talking again and filling the thread with ideas, so nothing out of the ordinary yet for Made 2.0 in my opinion.

I will try to check back in between baking/cooking/mixing drinks

[fingersplints]

I know I said early that Boogs if was bad could ask his teammates these things. But what if that is precisely what he wants us to think. And then I got to thinking. Boogs has made it pretty obvious he isn't underworld/overworld with his early remarks... So if he was a Civvie, why wouldn't the mafia have killed him already? If he is a guardian they need to take those out to get Ganon. So why take out MP who could be a vanilla Civvie still for all they know.

[fingersplints]

and I agree ninja. "go civvies" comments tend to catch my eye. He seems to be reiterating it to make it stick

[thellama73]

Okay, observations.

1. RIP MP. This is actually throwing me off, because I thught Alex was acting weird and was planning on investigating him in depth today. Now that is off the table, so I have to reevaluate.
2. Dom voted for me super early and giving no reason. That's annoying. Why, Dom, why?
3. Boogs: The main thing that stands out to me is his early confusion over the roles. He didn't know that there were multiple copies of the Stalfos and Tektite roles. I think if he had one of those roles, he would understand how they work. Likewise, if he were Ganon I think he would know how they work. Because of this, I suspect he is either a guardian, a baddie, or the indy.
4. Eloh: I am historically pretty bad at reading Eloh as I am with all quiet and timid players. They all tend to come off as trying too hard to seem innocent to me. The only thing I really noticed in my reread of her is when she asked me about the mechanics of the gambling contest. I found that odd, since I was just as much in the dark about them as she was.

linki: I also agree that "go civvies" comments smell fishy.

[zeek]

Thoughts on the Indy character? No kills from him yet. What are his likely powers? I presume the Mafia may have Triforce related powers?

Based on this, I think it would be in our best intrest to not kill Zeek tonight.

Likewise i think persuing Sabie, LLama, and MM would also be a mistake.

While yes, they are our top suspects (based on vote received/general night time consistence) anyways, But Mafia needs the piece of power to win the game, without it, they can't win the game.

I refuse to vote any of the above people unless
1. Someone makes a obvious baddie slip/accidentally outs
2. 5 people say that the above strategy is straight up stupid.

I'm a top suspect because people think I've been more quiet than usual? Nobody knows who got the triforce of power. Players under suspicion or under the radar are just as likely to have it. This is a strange thing to say.

zeek is quiet. I was looking forward to hearing from him.

I'm placing my vote there for now.

I'll quit my job then Is there anything you would like me to address?

Alright so I dont understand some suspicion on me for being helpful? I m playing the game and trying to win rupees for our team to give to Ganon. I would be more low key and not suggest the rupee idea if i wanted the money for myself. And also, we didnt have many voters on that event, so the voters should be looked at today because the odds are at least one was Maia trying to earn money if not more and the participants need to help us out or we cant be upgraded to be protected by Ganon.

I can't get my head around this post. By voters do you mean betters? And if you do i still don't understand.
On the one hand you are saying let's bet on the money game and now you are saying let's eye those people that betted.

Help me out here!

Boogs, so because I helped win rupees I should be looked at? You played the game! Just like my vote yesterday, which I only made to keep up my obligations to the rest of the players, I will continue to try and generate money for the civ cause. These aren't opportunities we can easily pass up when we're already three civs down, we NEED upgrades. This pings the hell out of me.

[Mister Rearranger]

I haven't missed a vote in a while, so sorry everybody!

I don't want this to be one of those "easy win" games where people don't participate and the baddies take full advantage of it, so I'll try to get back on track!

[fingersplints]

One more thing about Boogs, and someone can correct me if I am wrong, but when he is a Civvie he seems to post stuff like "my kitty whiskers are twitching". When he was a baddie in the one direction game I don't remember him saying that, and he hasn't said it here. Can someone tell me who has played with him more if he makes cat references as a baddie too?

[Snow Dog]

Ok for now am placing my vote on Boogs. I am going on observations made but even ore than that this time I am going on gut as well.

i may change that vote if anything new arises.

[fingersplints]

Also, thanks guys for the input re: Elo. I don't really have a great read yet so trying to decide what I think on her

sorry for the multiple posts. Getting stuff ready for me going to be step fathers Halloween party, so may need to vote soon as well

[Mister Rearranger]

Well, not much I can address with something reading funny to you. Someone had brought up a possible connection between me and sabie, so I thought better to address it. I was giving her more of the benefit of the doubt being newer and all. Whereas hedgeowl has more experience therefore I thought her posts were more suspicious. Clearly I was wrong about that. Like I said, the most suspicious comments to sabie, for me, were the ones where she was trying to paint a player as being suspicious for being quiet when they were replaced. I mean clearly a person who quit the game probably couldn't keep up, so why try to make it out like that is suspicious?

That was me.

I still feel wary. Taking responsibility for your mistake in suspecting Hedge is noble. However, it hasn't seemed to cause hesitation when it comes to getting all witch-hunty on other players (ie: Boogs).

Interestingly enough, I recall both you and Boogs being on my "reread" list before day 2. I wish I remember why... :/

[Boogs]

Fingersplints i have and always make cst references. I made one about my tail swaying back and forth at some irregular behavior with Dom and Llama. I am not bad, I was just suggesting that there would obviously some Mafia in those votes and i have nothing better to go on. I am going to vote Llama because i still think he out of norm character and actions make me think he is a mafia member.
votes llama

[thellama73]

Also, Sabie, don't think I've forgotten about you!

[Boogs]

This isnt a vote for vote thing, but Snow has made me twitch at his non-commital and non helpfulness. I think he's quick to jump with the flow and look blendy on these lynches.

[thellama73]

Linki Llama I think it seemed a little too convenient the two of you got so many votes. However, based on you acting out of the norm personally to me is why I gave you my vote. Doesn't mean I think you are bad still, but it seemed like my only lead to vote on. I think we need to start building stronger cases and try to figure out a different lead for tomorrow.

Fingersplints i have and always make cst references. I made one about my tail swaying back and forth at some irregular behavior with Dom and Llama. I am not bad, I was just suggesting that there would obviously some Mafia in those votes and i have nothing better to go on. I am going to vote Llama because i still think he out of norm character and actions make me think he is a mafia member.
votes llama

No U, Boogs.

*votes Boogs*

[zeek]

Boogs, care to address your hypocrisy over money game players?

[Boogs]

Also splints, if i had teammates, I dont see anyone coming to my rescue squashing the accusations.

Linki Zeek it isn't hypocrisy. Why wouldnt a mafia voter have participated to try to win? Only a few voted for tje contest, so why not look there? I think it's silly we aren't quite frankly.

[zeek]

Or they'd completely avoid a scenario were Ganon could figure out they're alignment. You can't play the game and then say anyone who played is suspicious.

[Russtifinko]

Frankly, I don't see the Boogs thing. He always seems to catch flak for making "slips" or trying too hard to sound civ. When I hosted him in the Hobbit he was an indy, and people were out for his blood for a while because of things like this iirc. Has he said pingy things? Sure. But is he the best person to lynch today? I'm not at all convinced of that.

[thellama73]

Frankly, I don't see the Boogs thing. He always seems to catch flak for making "slips" or trying too hard to sound civ. When I hosted him in the Hobbit he was an indy, and people were out for his blood for a while because of things like this iirc. Has he said pingy things? Sure. But is he the best person to lynch today? I'm not at all convinced of that.

Who are you after today, Russti? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[Mister Rearranger]

Has he said pingy things? Sure. But is he the best person to lynch today? I'm not at all convinced of that.

What's pingy to you?

And do you feel more confident or pinged about anyone else?

[zeek]

I have to get an early night, so I'm going to vote now... and it's going to be for MM. This is not a NO U because he's voted for me, but his vote is part of the reason I'm voting that way. Generally his posts have been somewhat pingy, but there's no substantial suspicion. It's gut I suppose.

After Hedgeowl's lynch, he doesn't seem to have learnt from lynching someone purely because they're not all that involved. I appreciate he said he was voting for me for now, but his criticisms of my quieter game were already addressed. I've just moved stores and have a big job on my hands, 12 hour days and such.

I won't deny I'm a bit cranky and that may have something to do with it, but I have to go to bed and I'm not completely feeling a Boogs vote right now. Though I think his point of the money game players is ridiculous. I

[fingersplints]

Well, not much I can address with something reading funny to you. Someone had brought up a possible connection between me and sabie, so I thought better to address it. I was giving her more of the benefit of the doubt being newer and all. Whereas hedgeowl has more experience therefore I thought her posts were more suspicious. Clearly I was wrong about that. Like I said, the most suspicious comments to sabie, for me, were the ones where she was trying to paint a player as being suspicious for being quiet when they were replaced. I mean clearly a person who quit the game probably couldn't keep up, so why try to make it out like that is suspicious?

That was me.

I still feel wary. Taking responsibility for your mistake in suspecting Hedge is noble. However, it hasn't seemed to cause hesitation when it comes to getting all witch-hunty on other players (ie: Boogs).

Interestingly enough, I recall both you and Boogs being on my "reread" list before day 2. I wish I remember why... :/

Because I was wrong once I am not supposed to baddie hunt now?

[fingersplints]

And I don't think its witchy hunty. I have been and still am open to talking about other players. Dont make it out like I am gunning for Boogs when I am not

[thellama73]

Dont make it out like I am gunning for Boogs when I am not

I am. He was mean to me. :P

[Made]

Back now. Rereading Boogs and Eloh at the request of Snow Dog and Splintsy-Splints. I will report back on my findings.

I could see this post being important, depending on how this lynch goes..... It just seems extremely off.

Not Llama's post specifically, but just the situation surrounding it.

This just feel really fucking contrived, especially when it's considered that a triforce piece on the line.

SVs thoughts?

[Made]

Thoughts on the Indy character? No kills from him yet. What are his likely powers? I presume the Mafia may have Triforce related powers?

Based on this, I think it would be in our best intrest to not kill Zeek tonight.

Likewise i think persuing Sabie, LLama, and MM would also be a mistake.

While yes, they are our top suspects (based on vote received/general night time consistence) anyways, But Mafia needs the piece of power to win the game, without it, they can't win the game.

I refuse to vote any of the above people unless
1. Someone makes a obvious baddie slip/accidentally outs
2. 5 people say that the above strategy is straight up stupid.

I'm a top suspect because people think I've been more quiet than usual? Nobody knows who got the triforce of power. Players under suspicion or under the radar are just as likely to have it. This is a strange thing to say.

No one has received the triforce of power yet.
If a person, specifically mafia, predicts who gets lynched today, they get the tri force. Logically, mafia is going to predict someone who has gotten a lot of flack thus far.

[Mister Rearranger]

And I don't think its witchy hunty. I have been and still am open to talking about other players. Dont make it out like I am gunning for Boogs when I am not

Yeah, Eloh's moderately on the table too, from what I've read catching up.

Also, wasn't saying you weren't supposed to baddy hunt further now. Feel free, but there's also no need to feel alarmed when it raises brows.

[Mister Rearranger]

EBWoP: A good point, Made

[Made]

Oh and in reference to Zeek's first remark, what i currently fear is that the indy attempted to kill a guardian or Ganon which would mean that we don't learn who:
1. Attempted to kill
2. Who was the kill was attempted on.

[Russtifinko]

Frankly, I don't see the Boogs thing. He always seems to catch flak for making "slips" or trying too hard to sound civ. When I hosted him in the Hobbit he was an indy, and people were out for his blood for a while because of things like this iirc. Has he said pingy things? Sure. But is he the best person to lynch today? I'm not at all convinced of that.

Who are you after today, Russti? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Working on that now. Gimme 10 minutes.

Oh and in reference to Zeek's first remark, what i currently fear is that the indy attempted to kill a guardian or Ganon which would mean that we don't learn who:
1. Attempted to kill
2. Who was the kill was attempted on.

Why do you think the indy tried to kill?? And if they had tried to kill an Overworld or Underworld character, how would we know who they were or who they tried to kill?

[Snow Dog]

This isnt a vote for vote thing, but Snow has made me twitch at his non-commital and non helpfulness. I think he's quick to jump with the flow and look blendy on these lynches.

I have been anything BUT non commital and non helpful. My vote is staying on you. How is that for non commital. I voted you first. How is that for blendy?

[fingersplints]

And I don't think its witchy hunty. I have been and still am open to talking about other players. Dont make it out like I am gunning for Boogs when I am not

Yeah, Eloh's moderately on the table too, from what I've read catching up.

Also, wasn't saying you weren't supposed to baddy hunt further now. Feel free, but there's also no need to feel alarmed when it raises brows.

I'm not alarmed. I don't play the quiet game though. Getting attention hasn't changed how I play in the past and it certainly isn't at this point.