King of the Hill Mafia

[MacDougall]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

Strange way of saying "if Alison is town" at the bottom.

[robyn]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

Strange way of saying "if Alison is town" at the bottom.

I think creature man spewed Alison town, in the message he contradicted himself in he was always doing it in a town!Alison world

[staypositivefriend]

okay, i'm finally caught up with the thread. i got a million pings while i was gone and i don't have time to individually answer each of them, but i will make a longer post shortly outlining my general view of the game/my current POE, and the specific strategy that we should follow to win the game even in the event where i'm wrong about everything and unintentionally wolfsiding

a couple of things to note first, though:

-i think the biggest developments from my catch-up is that my read on lucy went from null to townlean and my read on lily went from "townlean" to "almost 100% town". @MacDougall @arogame123 @lucy -i'm hard veto'ing any votes or pushes on lucy until LYLO at the very minimum, because i think she is the most blatantly town poster in the game so far barring mac, and there are specific tells that she did over the last few pages that i perceive as being very likely to be outside of her wolfrange (such as the way she reacted to alison asking her to chain her vote to lucy)

-as for lucy, my read on her existed in a nebelous uncertain state because i thought most of her posts were non-descript and not particularly alignment indicative, but she got a lot townier as soon as she started pushing on creature using his previous meta, and i would be mildly impressed if that catch is something that she would be able to pick up on as a wolf. if creature is a wolf then i'm tempted to say that it's probably lock clearing for her

@MacDougall - are you sure that seanzie/creature can't be W/W? if you're willing to bet the game on it, then i'll sheep you, but i was tinfoiling a world where they are partnered last night and i think it makes a reasonable amount of sense. seanzie has had a vested interest in shielding creature from pressure and creature has actively avoided pushing on seanzie, and i think a world where the two of them are wolves could make sense in a world where the wolves are powerwolfing and trying to push through a bad POE, especially if we live in a world where alison is town

@arogame123 - i have a major bone to pick with you about your read on lily, and i felt like you were almost purposefully going out of your way to misunderstand her on page 47. what is the wolf motivation for her choosing to vote outside of falcon and alison yesterday? what does she strategically gain from doing that as a wolf? i feel like you are characterizing her behavior as wolfy in the most surface level possible way without digging deeper into the intent, and your view on lily being so directly the opposite of mine is my biggest concern about you right now

[staypositivefriend]

also, yes, i still think that alison is town. if i'm wrong and wolfsiding by accident, then whatever, i can accept that. i think there is a high likeliehood that creature has spewed alison as town based on the way he has spoken about her throughout the last few pages, and i also do not see any self-preservation intent in the way that alison is attempting to play today. in fact, i've only seen her give up and admit defeat as a villager before, even though i'm sure it is something that is plausibly within her wolfrange

the only concern i have about alison is that she's pushing a POE (ie: me/porscha) that seems potentially wolfsided, but even then, i don't feel the wolf motivation behind her pushes and think it is mroe likely she is a villager with an upside down view of the game

[Alison]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

[staypositivefriend]

that said, i think the game is pretty easily solvable even in a hellworld where i'm bad at the game and alison is mafia. i'm going to create two POEs with alison's flip as either alignment in mind, because i think there is a high chance she ends up dying regardless of what i do or say today

[staypositivefriend]

i'm going to be combing through some stuff and making a post outlining my general POE, but it might take a bit. i'll be around in the thread in the meantime if anyone wants to chat about anything

as of right now, i want to kill creature today, and i switched my vote to him

[robyn]

okay, i'm finally caught up with the thread. i got a million pings while i was gone and i don't have time to individually answer each of them, but i will make a longer post shortly outlining my general view of the game/my current POE, and the specific strategy that we should follow to win the game even in the event where i'm wrong about everything and unintentionally wolfsiding

a couple of things to note first, though:

-i think the biggest developments from my catch-up is that my read on lucy went from null to townlean and my read on lily went from "townlean" to "almost 100% town". @MacDougall @arogame123 @lucy -i'm hard veto'ing any votes or pushes on lucy until LYLO at the very minimum, because i think she is the most blatantly town poster in the game so far barring mac, and there are specific tells that she did over the last few pages that i perceive as being very likely to be outside of her wolfrange (such as the way she reacted to alison asking her to chain her vote to lucy)

-as for lucy, my read on her existed in a nebelous uncertain state because i thought most of her posts were non-descript and not particularly alignment indicative, but she got a lot townier as soon as she started pushing on creature using his previous meta, and i would be mildly impressed if that catch is something that she would be able to pick up on as a wolf. if creature is a wolf then i'm tempted to say that it's probably lock clearing for her

@MacDougall - are you sure that seanzie/creature can't be W/W? if you're willing to bet the game on it, then i'll sheep you, but i was tinfoiling a world where they are partnered last night and i think it makes a reasonable amount of sense. seanzie has had a vested interest in shielding creature from pressure and creature has actively avoided pushing on seanzie, and i think a world where the two of them are wolves could make sense in a world where the wolves are powerwolfing and trying to push through a bad POE, especially if we live in a world where alison is town

@arogame123 - i have a major bone to pick with you about your read on lily, and i felt like you were almost purposefully going out of your way to misunderstand her on page 47. what is the wolf motivation for her choosing to vote outside of falcon and alison yesterday? what does she strategically gain from doing that as a wolf? i feel like you are characterizing her behavior as wolfy in the most surface level possible way without digging deeper into the intent, and your view on lily being so directly the opposite of mine is my biggest concern about you right now

2ed paragraph =lily
3rd paragraph =lucy
?

[Alison]

also, yes, i still think that alison is town. if i'm wrong and wolfsiding by accident, then whatever, i can accept that. i think there is a high likeliehood that creature has spewed alison as town based on the way he has spoken about her throughout the last few pages, and i also do not see any self-preservation intent in the way that alison is attempting to play today. in fact, i've only seen her give up and admit defeat as a villager before, even though i'm sure it is something that is plausibly within her wolfrange

the only concern i have about alison is that she's pushing a POE (ie: me/porscha) that seems potentially wolfsided, but even then, i don't feel the wolf motivation behind her pushes and think it is mroe likely she is a villager with an upside down view of the game

If you think I am a villager you should think I have a correct view of the game honestly. I am pushing you/Porscha/Creature... do you have specific reasons to townread Porscha/Creature?

What teams that don't contain me, you or Mac would kill Jack?

[staypositivefriend]

omg WHY do i keep mixing up the names "lily" and "lucy" in my head? i think it's because they both start with L and my brain just fills in the blanks with whoever comes to mind first

yeah, the second paragraph is about lily and the 3rd paragraph is about lucy

[Creature]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

Alright then lynch Mac and policy lynch Lucy.

If you're town that means Mac has been pushing mislynches all game and it would be insulting to his town image to not lynch him right after.

I still can see Lucy playing this bad as town. tbh it feels like she just latches to a strong player and doesn't consider the possibility they could be just wolves.

[Alison]

"D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game"

- Alison

"i want to kill creature today, and i switched my vote to him"
"the only concern i have about alison is that she's pushing a POE (ie: me/porscha) that seems potentially wolfsided"
- SPF

-

Unless you have a reason to clear Rondo you should believe that my POE is far from wolfsided.

[Creature]

If I ever get lynched my legacy is to always lynch Mac if he's still alive.

[Alison]

Also SPF why are you going after arogame for hammering Lily about her EOD1 vote when I did the exact same thing and you called me town?

[Creature]

"D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game"

- Alison

"i want to kill creature today, and i switched my vote to him"
"the only concern i have about alison is that she's pushing a POE (ie: me/porscha) that seems potentially wolfsided"
- SPF

-

Unless you have a reason to clear Rondo you should believe that my POE is far from wolfsided.

I kinda think it's Mac + SPF + ???.

Idk if Mac would harddefend Porscha if they were partners and then turn on her.

[Creature]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

Strange way of saying "if Alison is town" at the bottom.

I think creature man spewed Alison town, in the message he contradicted himself in he was always doing it in a town!Alison world

You're making spews sound as much as a joke as "wolfslips" are today.

[robyn]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

Alright then lynch Mac and policy lynch Lucy.

If you're town that means Mac has been pushing mislynches all game and it would be insulting to his town image to not lynch him right after.

I still can see Lucy playing this bad as town. tbh it feels like she just latches to a strong player and doesn't consider the possibility they could be just wolves.

this isn't true in the slightest lmao, if that was how I play why did I not latch onto Alison in warrior?
also I'm pretty sure my thoughts have been fairly independent this game and I just happen to see things similarly to Mac

[staypositivefriend]

also, yes, i still think that alison is town. if i'm wrong and wolfsiding by accident, then whatever, i can accept that. i think there is a high likeliehood that creature has spewed alison as town based on the way he has spoken about her throughout the last few pages, and i also do not see any self-preservation intent in the way that alison is attempting to play today. in fact, i've only seen her give up and admit defeat as a villager before, even though i'm sure it is something that is plausibly within her wolfrange

the only concern i have about alison is that she's pushing a POE (ie: me/porscha) that seems potentially wolfsided, but even then, i don't feel the wolf motivation behind her pushes and think it is mroe likely she is a villager with an upside down view of the game

If you think I am a villager you should think I have a correct view of the game honestly. I am pushing you/Porscha/Creature... do you have specific reasons to townread Porscha/Creature?

What teams that don't contain me, you or Mac would kill Jack?

i think porscha is more likely to be town than not even though she is in the weaker tier of my townleans. i will admit to feeling a bit intuitively inclined to defend her (similarly to how i have felt inclined to defend you) because i perceive her as an easy target to pick on, a thd i'm uncomfortable with the amount of pressure that has been brought up against her without any tangible/coherent reason. i think the posts she made last night were fine, and even good

i think that creature is likely to be a wolf and is almost guaranteed to be a wolf in a world where you're town. the parts of your POE that i take issue with are the cinsluion of myself and porscha

also to answer your other question, i don't really care to speculate on which team might have killed jack, nor do i really care. i do not factor NKA heavily into my reads and think it is largely a waste of time. i held a similar principle in the spec chat invitational game and the game was better for it

[staypositivefriend]

Also SPF why are you going after arogame for hammering Lily about her EOD1 vote when I did the exact same thing and you called me town?

the main difference is that you changed your mind about lily and arogame did not

[robyn]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

Alright then lynch Mac and policy lynch Lucy.

If you're town that means Mac has been pushing mislynches all game and it would be insulting to his town image to not lynch him right after.

I still can see Lucy playing this bad as town. tbh it feels like she just latches to a strong player and doesn't consider the possibility they could be just wolves.

this isn't true in the slightest lmao, if that was how I play why did I not latch onto Alison in warrior?
also I'm pretty sure my thoughts have been fairly independent this game and I just happen to see things similarly to Mac

Lucy bad town is mafia Alison rhetoric

[Creature]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

Alright then lynch Mac and policy lynch Lucy.

If you're town that means Mac has been pushing mislynches all game and it would be insulting to his town image to not lynch him right after.

I still can see Lucy playing this bad as town. tbh it feels like she just latches to a strong player and doesn't consider the possibility they could be just wolves.

this isn't true in the slightest lmao, if that was how I play why did I not latch onto Alison in warrior?
also I'm pretty sure my thoughts have been fairly independent this game and I just happen to see things similarly to Mac

Your thoughts are as independent as "oh look mac thinks like this so now i think like this too".

[robyn]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

Strange way of saying "if Alison is town" at the bottom.

I think creature man spewed Alison town, in the message he contradicted himself in he was always doing it in a town!Alison world

You're making spews sound as much as a joke as "wolfslips" are today.

spf agrees with me, and I had that thought before her, am I sheeping her?
that's the causality you're applying to me and Mac

[robyn]

D3 Creature -> Porscha -> Rondo -> SPF ends the game, either immediately or the day after when the third wolf is outed by those flips.

Unless I am calculating wrong this is auto even if there are only two wolves in the first four.

IF I AM EVER LYNCHED THIS GAME MAC SHOULD ALWAYS BE LYNCHED NEXT IF HE'S STILL ALIVE

HIS PUSHES HAVE BEEN PRETTY BAD-FAITH SO FAR AND I FEEL LIKE HE'S JUST FULL OF SHIT ESPECIALLY IF ALL OF FALCON, ALISON AND ME ARE TOWN

What's with the fixation on Mac specifically? Lucy has been in lockstep with him and has pushed the same reads he has for the same reasons. If your gripe with Mac is that his pushes are wolfy then surely you should have the same opinion of lucy especially since she's the one who actually wrote the "burial" case on you and said we should only ever exe you or me today.

Alright then lynch Mac and policy lynch Lucy.

If you're town that means Mac has been pushing mislynches all game and it would be insulting to his town image to not lynch him right after.

I still can see Lucy playing this bad as town. tbh it feels like she just latches to a strong player and doesn't consider the possibility they could be just wolves.

this isn't true in the slightest lmao, if that was how I play why did I not latch onto Alison in warrior?
also I'm pretty sure my thoughts have been fairly independent this game and I just happen to see things similarly to Mac

Your thoughts are as independent as "oh look mac thinks like this so now i think like this too".

bad faith and wrong

[Creature]

also, yes, i still think that alison is town. if i'm wrong and wolfsiding by accident, then whatever, i can accept that. i think there is a high likeliehood that creature has spewed alison as town based on the way he has spoken about her throughout the last few pages, and i also do not see any self-preservation intent in the way that alison is attempting to play today. in fact, i've only seen her give up and admit defeat as a villager before, even though i'm sure it is something that is plausibly within her wolfrange

the only concern i have about alison is that she's pushing a POE (ie: me/porscha) that seems potentially wolfsided, but even then, i don't feel the wolf motivation behind her pushes and think it is mroe likely she is a villager with an upside down view of the game

If you think I am a villager you should think I have a correct view of the game honestly. I am pushing you/Porscha/Creature... do you have specific reasons to townread Porscha/Creature?

What teams that don't contain me, you or Mac would kill Jack?

i think porscha is more likely to be town than not even though she is in the weaker tier of my townleans. i will admit to feeling a bit intuitively inclined to defend her (similarly to how i have felt inclined to defend you) because i perceive her as an easy target to pick on, a thd i'm uncomfortable with the amount of pressure that has been brought up against her without any tangible/coherent reason. i think the posts she made last night were fine, and even good

i think that creature is likely to be a wolf and is almost guaranteed to be a wolf in a world where you're town. the parts of your POE that i take issue with are the cinsluion of myself and porscha

also to answer your other question, i don't really care to speculate on which team might have killed jack, nor do i really care. i do not factor NKA heavily into my reads and think it is largely a waste of time. i held a similar principle in the spec chat invitational game and the game was better for it

SPF is prob wolf alongside Mac.

[staypositivefriend]

creature reads a bit like a flailing wolf to me right now, with the caveat that i could be a little conf biased. i don't think i've seen him stumble this badly as town before

[staypositivefriend]

i think creature is likely a wolf who needs the alison chop to go through and is panicking at the possibility of it not happening and him dying first

[Seanzie]

Some not w/w thoughts

Alison/Porscha
SPF/Rondo
SPF/Creature
Alison/Mac
Mac/Creature
Boq/Seanzie

lmk if I am missing any other obv ones and if you disagree with any of these.

Hehe, Boq, it's working!!

[Creature]

If Alison flips wolf I'll prob draw back my suspicions on Mac although Alison/Mac being w/w isn't discarded.

I just feel like in a town!Alison world Mac is either wolfing or misplaying hard.

[Creature]

Perhaps SPF is more likely to be misplaying than Mac. Still she'll prob need to be resolved if she's still alive.

[Creature]

Oh well, it's been a slice.


Alison, Mac, Boq


Legacy.



Peace out homies, and good luck town. I now must make supper

[Seanzie]

Seanzie is playing in an extremely limited way. Scum is usually seen casting a wide net so if their preferred misyeet occurs, they are not left with zero reads. However scum CAN play like this and I have seen it happen. I am still leaning to Seanzie being town. Mostly because he is stubbornly informing everyone that he is indeed still in his scum range. It feels like it is coming from a pov where you are irritated that people are looking down on your scum game/clearing you too easily (thus underestimating you) and this is something an actual wolf WANTS town to do. Whereas a town player has a more holistic mindset where this reaction can stem from.

I was reading over some of Seanzie's town games and he is def more stubborn with his pushes and usually picks a few targets like 1 or 2 and just continues to push on them without looking much outside. It's like a deer with headlights and it seems very similar this game. Also, I noticed some similar tone with his condescendingness like he showed in this game with his response to Mac at EoD with "Oooh, I want towncred on myself" and it meta wise it seems similar based off the games I perused. SPF mentioned that she got powerwolf vibes from Seanzie, but I disagree as Seanzie as mafia was more laid back and kind of a coaster than an aggressor based off what I read in a couple of his mafia games. I have been burned by these comparison in games *cough* Wisp *cough*, but so far his gameplay and tone have seen very similar to his town games where he picks a target and goes after them and his condescending tone is similar to his town games. Just an observation I had.

Either my major effort to not cone off as condescending this game is failing, or these are generic notes fed to you in wolf chat.

[Creature]

How many does it have to be to be salad?

I could yeet SPF, Alison or maybe Mac.

Porscha, Creature, Falcon all town. Going back to my meta of only being able to find townies.

Mac town. Not that anybody needs my legacy.

[Creature]

Jack called the entire strong player bloc and wolves decided to nightkill him expecting to frame it?

[Seanzie]

I don't think the mafia triple stacked. They had no incentive to do anything except sit back and eat popcorn when the wagons narrowed to Alison/Falcon. Also I cannot find any reasonable combination of 3 people that all voted the same wagon and also would kill Jack.

2 on one wagon, 1 on the other. My wagon is way scummier and it also benefits mafia more to kill me D1, so my best guess is that there's 2 on me and 1 on Falcon.

I am literally sitting back and eating popcorn right now.

[MacDougall]

@arogame123 which of Seanzie's towngames did you "read over".

Interesting you apparently just read over some seanzie town games casually but pushed back at me when I asked you to read 3 Lucy posts because you prefer realtiming or whatever you said.

[Creature]

Most optimal play seems to be resolve Alison and Porscha, but tbh I'm scared of both flipping town and then me being the next mislynch bringing town to 4v3 pretty quickly.

[Seanzie]

The person I am most likely misclearing is Seanzie especially since he is townclearing Creature. I am currently townreading him because he treated Boq in a very hostile way D1 that I find characteristic of his town play and not of his scum play. I also think he is needlessly setting himself up to look like a fool by pushing Alison/Mac partners D2 - he doesn't have to push that line to get me over so I don't see how that benefits scum Seanzie. But maybe I am wrong and his scum range is bigger than I thought. Do your due diligence on Seanzie before clearing him especially if Creature flips scum.

I don't think Seanzie/Creature are viable. One of the least viable pairings in the game. Seanzie has been townreading Creature and Creature has been very uncomfortable with him doing so, fighting him over it and Seanzie has just been doubling down on the townread through it. It'd be a very unusual w/w dynamic. There are specific context queues to it that make it moreso such as when Seanzie was like "well if it helps this just makes me even more sure you're town" when Creature was foiling Seanzie trying yo pocket him.

Oh yes, I remember that quote you brought up. Yea, I can add Seanzie/Creature to the non w/w list.

Lmk if you agree or disagree with any of the other non w/w I listed.

Hehe, Creature, it's working!

[Seanzie]

Oh crap this isn't wolf chat!

[MacDougall]

Most optimal play seems to be resolve Alison and Porscha, but tbh I'm scared of both flipping town and then me being the next mislynch bringing town to 4v3 pretty quickly.

So chopping Alison is optimal in your mind.

But if it happens I'm always mafia?

[Creature]

Most optimal play seems to be resolve Alison and Porscha, but tbh I'm scared of both flipping town and then me being the next mislynch bringing town to 4v3 pretty quickly.

So chopping Alison is optimal in your mind.

But if it happens I'm always mafia?

If Alison flips wolf I'm willing to give you the benefit of doubt. Otherwise I'm finding it really hard wolves didn't just kill you N1 to lock your reads in the wrong spot.

[MacDougall]

Seanzie is playing in an extremely limited way. Scum is usually seen casting a wide net so if their preferred misyeet occurs, they are not left with zero reads. However scum CAN play like this and I have seen it happen. I am still leaning to Seanzie being town. Mostly because he is stubbornly informing everyone that he is indeed still in his scum range. It feels like it is coming from a pov where you are irritated that people are looking down on your scum game/clearing you too easily (thus underestimating you) and this is something an actual wolf WANTS town to do. Whereas a town player has a more holistic mindset where this reaction can stem from.

I was reading over some of Seanzie's town games and he is def more stubborn with his pushes and usually picks a few targets like 1 or 2 and just continues to push on them without looking much outside. It's like a deer with headlights and it seems very similar this game. Also, I noticed some similar tone with his condescendingness like he showed in this game with his response to Mac at EoD with "Oooh, I want towncred on myself" and it meta wise it seems similar based off the games I perused. SPF mentioned that she got powerwolf vibes from Seanzie, but I disagree as Seanzie as mafia was more laid back and kind of a coaster than an aggressor based off what I read in a couple of his mafia games. I have been burned by these comparison in games *cough* Wisp *cough*, but so far his gameplay and tone have seen very similar to his town games where he picks a target and goes after them and his condescending tone is similar to his town games. Just an observation I had.

I mean... if you have time to be here posting how you do arogame the idea you don't have time to go read the burial case of the game triggers the shit out of me. When people try to pretend they don't have time to read posts while threadsitting for half an hour fucks me up.

I mean I prefer real-timing and interacting with people rather than go in catch up and I will catch up later once I get out of work lol.

Kinda weird conflict here don't ya think? Like if Aro really prefers real timing and interacting why does he go off deep diving into Seanzie games.

Why does he do that anyway lol. Has Aro been even really focussed on Seanzie? I haven't got that impression.

[MacDougall]

Most optimal play seems to be resolve Alison and Porscha, but tbh I'm scared of both flipping town and then me being the next mislynch bringing town to 4v3 pretty quickly.

So chopping Alison is optimal in your mind.

But if it happens I'm always mafia?

If Alison flips wolf I'm willing to give you the benefit of doubt. Otherwise I'm finding it really hard wolves didn't just kill you N1 to lock your reads in the wrong spot.

This is a pretty silly suggestion when my read on Alison at the end of the day wasn't stated.

[Creature]

Is arogame123 good at faking solving as wolf? I kinda feel like he could be well-positioned wolf.

[robyn]

Creature in anti spew?

[MacDougall]

So you're trying to say like when Mac is egregiously wrong as town wolves kill him and sheep him. Ergo if Alison is town Mac should be dead night 1 so the mafia can kill Alison easier?

There are two reasons this is illogical.

1. I wasn't scumreading Alison at the end of day 1
2. Give I made it abundantly clear that day 2 should always resolve the day 1 wagons, me being left alive is more likely to result in the death of town Alison than me being killed.

[Creature]

Alright Mac if you live to D4 without a single pelt you always get lynched. Is it alright for you?

[Creature]

Creature in anti spew?

I'm quite literally giving a lot of spewing if I'm a wolf here so no.

[MacDougall]

Alright Mac if you live to D4 without a single pelt you always get lynched. Is it alright for you?

Isn't day 4 lylo if there's no chops? There's no way in hell I'd just go belly up at lylo. That's literally gamethrowing.

[Creature]

Alright Mac if you live to D4 without a single pelt you always get lynched. Is it alright for you?

Isn't day 4 lylo if there's no chops? There's no way in hell I'd just go belly up at lylo. That's literally gamethrowing.

D1: 12v3
D2: 10v3
D3: 8v3
D4: 6v3
D5: 4v3

No, day 5 is LyLo if we mislynch the first four days.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Like we're probably either in a universe where:

Alison is mafia with whoever the fuck
or
Neon/Lily are mafia and their whole agenda in this game is just pocket and try to coast

I feel like almost everybody with the exception of Creature and SPF are relatively suspicious of Alison at this point? (If you aren't then vocalise it).

I feel like almost nobody EXCEPT Creature/Alison/SPF is suspicious of Neon or Lily?

@RondoDimBuckle can you come play or something.

@lucy what's your gamestate?

really sorry about the lack of content guys. I actually had planned on doing stuff day 2, But went to the zoo with my brother yesterday and I came back and I fell asleep at 5pm and woke up at.. now