King of the Hill Mafia

[arogame123]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Just curious, it seems like you have been questioning around and trying to get some thoughts going.

What are your current thoughts on me? I see you have voted me alongside Alison lol

My legacy believes you to be a wolf and that's about it.

As it stands I'll likely not vote your slot untill I obtain more data.

By legacy, I assume you mean predecessor?

[DrWilgy]

Or to further detail: I haven't read your ISO. I see afew mention of you being w, so your weight is slightly negative, but I think less than Boq.

Neon also provides slight weight to you being wolf.

Nothing to pursue as it stands though, and I do think your weight is more reliant on the Alison wagonomics than Boq

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

[DrWilgy]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Just curious, it seems like you have been questioning around and trying to get some thoughts going.

What are your current thoughts on me? I see you have voted me alongside Alison lol

My legacy believes you to be a wolf and that's about it.

As it stands I'll likely not vote your slot untill I obtain more data.

By legacy, I assume you mean predecessor?

Indeed

[arogame123]

@Lucy what's your current read on Alison?

I know you sr Lily, but what's ur take there?

I remember reading and you wanted to save Creature in the last 10 minutes and vote out Alison instead.

Additionally, did you explain this dichotamy you placed between Boq and I? I didn't see a response.

[DrWilgy]

I'd like arguments from neither Seanzie or Boq as to why we shouldn't vote them.

So everyone else.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

[arogame123]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

I mean, a lot of people were scum reading/voting out Creature, so idk if you were the main "driving force."

At the same time tho, I am kind of confused by your first paragraph for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it does seem like there are some people defending Alison, so it seems as if some people want to resist the kill their. Secondly, if you feel that you are "clear" is there a reason you don't feel like providing a legacy with more reads, if you feel like you are this cleared that may result in you NK? Like I get you feel that you are widely tr by some others, but at the same time, if you wanted to re-adjust your reads and what not, don't you feel like you should be more vocal about it if you feel like you are going to die tonight?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

I mean, a lot of people were scum reading/voting out Creature, so idk if you were the main "driving force."

At the same time tho, I am kind of confused by your first paragraph for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it does seem like there are some people defending Alison, so it seems as if some people want to resist the kill their. Secondly, if you feel that you are "clear" is there a reason you don't feel like providing a legacy with more reads, if you feel like you are this cleared that may result in you NK? Like I get you feel that you are widely tr by some others, but at the same time, if you wanted to re-adjust your reads and what not, don't you feel like you should be more vocal about it if you feel like you are going to die tonight?

Nah

[arogame123]

I'd like arguments from neither Seanzie or Boq as to why we shouldn't vote them.

So everyone else.

With Seanzie, I was tr him when comparing his town games and mafia games that I was reading a while back. I feel like this game, his tone has been similar to that of his town games where he has made more "teasing" or "condensing comments" (though my understanding of what may appear as condescending, is different than what others think) and I have quoted some of those posts in this game. Additionally, he tends to pick a couple of pushes and just go there from what I had seen from his town games that he linked and he seems to be doing similar here as well.

As for Boq, I had initially town read him because we had several mindmelds with reads and what not throughout the first couple of days. I felt like we were on the same wavelength with certain perspectives. Additionally, his read on me when he tr me felt that it came from a genuine town mindset of bringing up past experience with the juror and the specific and attention to detail he put in the comparison of posts here to my town games in champs. So that's why I was tr Boq and had him as confident town.

SO I guess those are arguments as to why I wouldn't vote either of them lol and why I was tr both of them.

I could potentially see where Boq could be paired with Alison esp with how Boq flipped from Alison to Creature during his catchup yesterday. I didn't think Boq is w/w with your slot based on legacy's interactions and what not. So having you and Alison as both mafia coming into today, is kind of where my focus is.

[arogame123]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

I mean, a lot of people were scum reading/voting out Creature, so idk if you were the main "driving force."

At the same time tho, I am kind of confused by your first paragraph for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it does seem like there are some people defending Alison, so it seems as if some people want to resist the kill their. Secondly, if you feel that you are "clear" is there a reason you don't feel like providing a legacy with more reads, if you feel like you are this cleared that may result in you NK? Like I get you feel that you are widely tr by some others, but at the same time, if you wanted to re-adjust your reads and what not, don't you feel like you should be more vocal about it if you feel like you are going to die tonight?

Nah

lol.

Also, my response got cut off. But in responding to your response. The reason I find it odd for the "same reads list" is because from your pov, if you came to those conclusions, you understand that it would come from a town perspective from your pov. So shading me for coming towards a similar reads list that I posted before several others when I was also quite vocal with my reads, is weird to me that you would slightly shade it, seeing as how you came to that same perspective from your POV.

[Alison]

So I am at the top of page 72 and my strongest take is that arogame and Neon are a difference check.

Detail this to me. What is causing this and why?

If Neon is wolf then arogame is town due to trying to push her over and potentially crack the game open on a day that wolves would be feeling very comfortable with letting us waste our time on a foregone town flip.

If Neon is town then arogame is extremely wolfy because flipping Neon here would be disastrous for the town. She'll flip town, I'll almost certainly flip the next day, and suddenly we are in F7.

[arogame123]

I think rn, I am at Seanzie and Porscha (esp if Alison is mafia) town and I need to sort the rest.

Boq and SPF leaning town

The rest in POE and need to sort it out, but that is where I am rn

I believe Alison and Wilgy are mafia, though I'll need to evaluate Wilgy's entrance tn.

Boq/Seanzie not w/w
Alison/Porscha not w/w
Alison/Lily not w/w
Lily/Lucy not w/w
Boq/Wilgy not w/w

[Seanzie]

I think rn, I am at Seanzie and Porscha (esp if Alison is mafia) town and I need to sort the rest.

Boq and SPF leaning town

The rest in POE and need to sort it out, but that is where I am rn

I believe Alison and Wilgy are mafia, though I'll need to evaluate Wilgy's entrance tn.

Boq/Seanzie not w/w
Alison/Porscha not w/w
Alison/Lily not w/w
Lily/Lucy not w/w
Boq/Wilgy not w/w

I think Wilgy's entrance looks good, and while I think Neon had some takes I thought were bad, I've had that feeling about some of her reads before when she was town. Right now I'm leaning town on Wilgy, but wary as I don't have the best read on them.

[arogame123]

DrWilgy being solvy is slowly reviving my desire to play tbh

Good, I wish to know what you think the team is on advent of Alison flipping wolf.

If you are the last misyeet on a T Alison flip, why?

I think Aro has scum equity with Alison because Alison would deem it the correct play to bus her. Aro is the only one rn from the top of my head that has been vocal in getting Alison yeeted, but I think between those players there should be a wolf tbh.

Because the game state is predictable tbh

Side eyeing you a bit for this Boq, because you know I have been scum reading a bit Alison since day 1 and explained some of my reasonings as to why with some of her reads and progressions. It wasn't a sudden vocal switch with my stance lol.

[Boquise]

does anyone in this game know how to read drwilgy?

In my other game here, Dr Wilgy was an early misyeet because he couldn't jam with the thread. In this game he has a completely different vibe tbh

[arogame123]

@staypositivefriend do you think these posts from aro are just wrong or wolf indicative?

if im being totally honest he feels more like an aggressively incorrect villager to me than someone with a nefarious wolf agenda but im annoyed so i want him to be mafia lol

sick hedge

it's not a hedge i think he's probably town

Is there a reason your vote is still on me then?

[Boquise]

DrWilgy being solvy is slowly reviving my desire to play tbh

Good, I wish to know what you think the team is on advent of Alison flipping wolf.

If you are the last misyeet on a T Alison flip, why?

I think Aro has scum equity with Alison because Alison would deem it the correct play to bus her. Aro is the only one rn from the top of my head that has been vocal in getting Alison yeeted, but I think between those players there should be a wolf tbh.

Because the game state is predictable tbh

Side eyeing you a bit for this Boq, because you know I have been scum reading a bit Alison since day 1 and explained some of my reasonings as to why with some of her reads and progressions. It wasn't a sudden vocal switch with my stance lol.

Did you side-eye her before she became a nonsensical wagon due to the proletariat's unrest?

[arogame123]

does anyone in this game know how to read drwilgy?

In my other game here, Dr Wilgy was an early misyeet because he couldn't jam with the thread. In this game he has a completely different vibe tbh

I am assuming by "misyeet" he was town in that game and you are saying he has a completely different vibe here? What does that make of your read on Wiggles then aorn?

[Boquise]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

[Boquise]

does anyone in this game know how to read drwilgy?

In my other game here, Dr Wilgy was an early misyeet because he couldn't jam with the thread. In this game he has a completely different vibe tbh

I am assuming by "misyeet" he was town in that game and you are saying he has a completely different vibe here? What does that make of your read on Wiggles then aorn?

Yes
It makes me slightly suspicious but I also don't want to punish someone for trying to play the game in a game where that's absolutely needed tbh

[Boquise]

The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

This just isn't true. 1.) didn't talk about you at all D2 aside from extremely early, 2.) Mac is Mac, and 3.) if I died last night, the chances of people wanting heads in (Alison/Mac/Boq/SPF) would have skyrocketed. If I'm right, at least two wolves are in that group above, so killing me would have been suicide.

1 is the precise reason why killing you yesterday would be the best time to do it. I don't joke around with my kills when I am scum tbh.

The fact that Seanzie is alive and Mac is dead is also something that doesn't happen in the world I am scum.

Like... the more I think about this... the more this is just so wrong it kind of has to be outing coming from a Boq-level player.

It is the correct play tbh and this is an argument I have done as town previously when my tunnellers are kept alive tbh.

I kill those who suspect me when they seem to lose momentum of me.

I keep thinking about this. Idk why but this interaction is just so off to me.

Why tho?

[arogame123]

DrWilgy being solvy is slowly reviving my desire to play tbh

Good, I wish to know what you think the team is on advent of Alison flipping wolf.

If you are the last misyeet on a T Alison flip, why?

I think Aro has scum equity with Alison because Alison would deem it the correct play to bus her. Aro is the only one rn from the top of my head that has been vocal in getting Alison yeeted, but I think between those players there should be a wolf tbh.

Because the game state is predictable tbh

Side eyeing you a bit for this Boq, because you know I have been scum reading a bit Alison since day 1 and explained some of my reasonings as to why with some of her reads and progressions. It wasn't a sudden vocal switch with my stance lol.

Did you side-eye her before she became a nonsensical wagon due to the proletariat's unrest?

Yes lol.

I sr her for her initial reads/treatment of Neon oddly enough playing in the "devils advocate" and then later discuss how her reasoning/read on SPF felt very scummy and did not seem to come from a town mindset. All that mixed with a few pelts as well after 2 days lol.

I have sr Alison's reads/progression this game. I have pointed it out several times throughout the game. I don't want to overblow a case on her if I need to as it seems that she is likely to die, though I see some resistance from several people.

That is also why last night I was talking to SPF about Alison because I was so confused how she was still defending Alison despite her own treatment on SPF, that I was attempting to explain to her why I viewed it as scummy.

[Boquise]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

[Boquise]

DrWilgy being solvy is slowly reviving my desire to play tbh

Good, I wish to know what you think the team is on advent of Alison flipping wolf.

If you are the last misyeet on a T Alison flip, why?

I think Aro has scum equity with Alison because Alison would deem it the correct play to bus her. Aro is the only one rn from the top of my head that has been vocal in getting Alison yeeted, but I think between those players there should be a wolf tbh.

Because the game state is predictable tbh

Side eyeing you a bit for this Boq, because you know I have been scum reading a bit Alison since day 1 and explained some of my reasonings as to why with some of her reads and progressions. It wasn't a sudden vocal switch with my stance lol.

Did you side-eye her before she became a nonsensical wagon due to the proletariat's unrest?

Yes lol.

I sr her for her initial reads/treatment of Neon oddly enough playing in the "devils advocate" and then later discuss how her reasoning/read on SPF felt very scummy and did not seem to come from a town mindset. All that mixed with a few pelts as well after 2 days lol.

I have sr Alison's reads/progression this game. I have pointed it out several times throughout the game. I don't want to overblow a case on her if I need to as it seems that she is likely to die, though I see some resistance from several people.

That is also why last night I was talking to SPF about Alison because I was so confused how she was still defending Alison despite her own treatment on SPF, that I was attempting to explain to her why I viewed it as scummy.

Okay
What do you mean with this "All that mixed with a few pelts as well after 2 days lol."?

[arogame123]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

Ok so Boq, talk to me a little bit, because I had you and Seanzie as town for reasons I stated earlier and still do somewhat.

So I want to ask several questions,
1. Is there a reason you are still attempting to engage with Seanzie and not just trying to ignore for now and do your own solve?
2. Despite how others feel about you, is there a reason you feel so pressured just from Seanzie himself that you lose motivation to play the game? Like I can understand the frustration from a tunneller, but it seems like it's really gotten to you. Why is that?

[arogame123]

DrWilgy being solvy is slowly reviving my desire to play tbh

Good, I wish to know what you think the team is on advent of Alison flipping wolf.

If you are the last misyeet on a T Alison flip, why?

I think Aro has scum equity with Alison because Alison would deem it the correct play to bus her. Aro is the only one rn from the top of my head that has been vocal in getting Alison yeeted, but I think between those players there should be a wolf tbh.

Because the game state is predictable tbh

Side eyeing you a bit for this Boq, because you know I have been scum reading a bit Alison since day 1 and explained some of my reasonings as to why with some of her reads and progressions. It wasn't a sudden vocal switch with my stance lol.

Did you side-eye her before she became a nonsensical wagon due to the proletariat's unrest?

Yes lol.

I sr her for her initial reads/treatment of Neon oddly enough playing in the "devils advocate" and then later discuss how her reasoning/read on SPF felt very scummy and did not seem to come from a town mindset. All that mixed with a few pelts as well after 2 days lol.

I have sr Alison's reads/progression this game. I have pointed it out several times throughout the game. I don't want to overblow a case on her if I need to as it seems that she is likely to die, though I see some resistance from several people.

That is also why last night I was talking to SPF about Alison because I was so confused how she was still defending Alison despite her own treatment on SPF, that I was attempting to explain to her why I viewed it as scummy.

Okay
What do you mean with this "All that mixed with a few pelts as well after 2 days lol."?

What I mean is the previous reasons with her progression and treatment with reads that I was sr in day 1 and day 2 that is now also mixed with the concept of "pelts" that people like to bring up is why I want to kill Alison today more so than anyone else.

Tbf, I also wanted to kill Alison yesterday, but more people wanted Creature instead.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

[arogame123]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

[arogame123]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

And to that, we like to say...

WHY-FOM

[arogame123]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

But fr tho, with that logic, do you think that all the people that Mac hard tr yesterday are "clear" then?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

Boq has a process, he has earned the right for me to not interfere for a day or two since I rate him.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

But fr tho, with that logic, do you think that all the people that Mac hard tr yesterday are "clear" then?

I am not saying I am clear because he town read me, read what I am saying. I am clear because he was killed

[arogame123]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

But fr tho, with that logic, do you think that all the people that Mac hard tr yesterday are "clear" then?

I am not saying I am clear because he town read me, read what I am saying. I am clear because he was killed

But I am trying to understand. You are saying if you were a wolf this game, you had Mac completely snowed and you are saying you have Lucy completely snowed. Isn't that due to the fact that Mac was hard town reading and so is Lucy rn? Is the main reason because you would not kill them to solidify their worldviews and would keep them alive since they were/are on your side?

Like if it's not a town read, I feel like I am missing something in what you are trying to tell me.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

But fr tho, with that logic, do you think that all the people that Mac hard tr yesterday are "clear" then?

I am not saying I am clear because he town read me, read what I am saying. I am clear because he was killed

But I am trying to understand. You are saying if you were a wolf this game, you had Mac completely snowed and you are saying you have Lucy completely snowed. Isn't that due to the fact that Mac was hard town reading and so is Lucy rn? Is the main reason because you would not kill them to solidify their worldviews and would keep them alive since they were/are on your side?

Like if it's not a town read, I feel like I am missing something in what you are trying to tell me.

Thats ok, Other people will understand and if not, oh well. I really dont feel like we are ever going to communicate clearly with each other this game and I am ok with that. I will deal with that when/if I make it to lylo

[arogame123]

SPF, I saw you mention Alison has not been leading the game or leading mislynches and therefore her votes cannot be her fault. But have you considered she hasn't HAD to lead the game or lead lynches when the town has been ML'ing town? Why is this seem outside of possibility when you discuss Alison?

right, but the logic of: "alison is an outed wolf because it's d3 and she doesn't have any pelts" doesn't apply as strongly to this game because the specific position that she's in means it would be harder for her to lead the game, regardless of her alignment. this doesn't discount the possibility that she's simply a mafia who has been sitting back and letting town destroy itself, but that wasn't the point being argued

It's not even just pelts tho SPF.

I was explaining to you last night in addition to other reasons with Alison's progression and reads throughout this game which I believe are scummy that I tried to point out to you.

She also came into today now having a slight tr on Porscha and attempting to be jovenile with her sr which is one of the big reasonings for how u caught her as mafia in the SCI game.

[Porscha]

SPF, I saw you mention Alison has not been leading the game or leading mislynches and therefore her votes cannot be her fault. But have you considered she hasn't HAD to lead the game or lead lynches when the town has been ML'ing town? Why is this seem outside of possibility when you discuss Alison?

right, but the logic of: "alison is an outed wolf because it's d3 and she doesn't have any pelts" doesn't apply as strongly to this game because the specific position that she's in means it would be harder for her to lead the game, regardless of her alignment. this doesn't discount the possibility that she's simply a mafia who has been sitting back and letting town destroy itself, but that wasn't the point being argued

/shrug doesn't mean it shouldn't apply at all. besides, a conversation about why she isnt wolf will also result in a conversation about why she might be wolf, regardless.

[arogame123]

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

But fr tho, with that logic, do you think that all the people that Mac hard tr yesterday are "clear" then?

I am not saying I am clear because he town read me, read what I am saying. I am clear because he was killed

But I am trying to understand. You are saying if you were a wolf this game, you had Mac completely snowed and you are saying you have Lucy completely snowed. Isn't that due to the fact that Mac was hard town reading and so is Lucy rn? Is the main reason because you would not kill them to solidify their worldviews and would keep them alive since they were/are on your side?

Like if it's not a town read, I feel like I am missing something in what you are trying to tell me.

Thats ok, Other people will understand and if not, oh well. I really dont feel like we are ever going to communicate clearly with each other this game and I am ok with that. I will deal with that when/if I make it to lylo

I mean if you are town, I am attempting to empathize and understand your perspective so I can see if "hey, this thought process makes sense and comes from a town" or "hey, this thought process seems fishy and scummy" but I appreciate you answering my questions and being transparent about it.

If Alison flips town, what's ur current outlook?

If Alison flips mafia, what's your current outlook?

[RondoDimBuckle]

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

But fr tho, with that logic, do you think that all the people that Mac hard tr yesterday are "clear" then?

I am not saying I am clear because he town read me, read what I am saying. I am clear because he was killed

But I am trying to understand. You are saying if you were a wolf this game, you had Mac completely snowed and you are saying you have Lucy completely snowed. Isn't that due to the fact that Mac was hard town reading and so is Lucy rn? Is the main reason because you would not kill them to solidify their worldviews and would keep them alive since they were/are on your side?

Like if it's not a town read, I feel like I am missing something in what you are trying to tell me.

Thats ok, Other people will understand and if not, oh well. I really dont feel like we are ever going to communicate clearly with each other this game and I am ok with that. I will deal with that when/if I make it to lylo

I mean if you are town, I am attempting to empathize and understand your perspective so I can see if "hey, this thought process makes sense and comes from a town" or "hey, this thought process seems fishy and scummy" but I appreciate you answering my questions and being transparent about it.

If Alison flips town, what's ur current outlook?

If Alison flips mafia, what's your current outlook?

Re-evaluate either way.

[arogame123]

You know, I was thinking about this. I kind of expected Mac to die N1, but him dying instead of N2 is interesting considering that Jack died N1.

Jack was one of the main people against the idea of "keeping stronger players alive bc of pelts" and "killing the people who you view as scummy" so I feel like if the mafia team is within the "stronger players" it would make sense for them to kill Jack in order to maintain status quo and stay safe.

[arogame123]

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

But fr tho, with that logic, do you think that all the people that Mac hard tr yesterday are "clear" then?

I am not saying I am clear because he town read me, read what I am saying. I am clear because he was killed

But I am trying to understand. You are saying if you were a wolf this game, you had Mac completely snowed and you are saying you have Lucy completely snowed. Isn't that due to the fact that Mac was hard town reading and so is Lucy rn? Is the main reason because you would not kill them to solidify their worldviews and would keep them alive since they were/are on your side?

Like if it's not a town read, I feel like I am missing something in what you are trying to tell me.

Thats ok, Other people will understand and if not, oh well. I really dont feel like we are ever going to communicate clearly with each other this game and I am ok with that. I will deal with that when/if I make it to lylo

I mean if you are town, I am attempting to empathize and understand your perspective so I can see if "hey, this thought process makes sense and comes from a town" or "hey, this thought process seems fishy and scummy" but I appreciate you answering my questions and being transparent about it.

If Alison flips town, what's ur current outlook?

If Alison flips mafia, what's your current outlook?

Re-evaluate either way.

This response right after I thanked u for being transparent lmfao. How ironic.

[RondoDimBuckle]

You know, I was thinking about this. I kind of expected Mac to die N1, but him dying instead of N2 is interesting considering that Jack died N1.

Jack was one of the main people against the idea of "keeping stronger players alive bc of pelts" and "killing the people who you view as scummy" so I feel like if the mafia team is within the "stronger players" it would make sense for them to kill Jack in order to maintain status quo and stay safe.

killing Mac is the opposite of this theory. Which just makes me want you more. If this theory was true then Dr.neon/nanook/porcha/myselfsparkle would be the target so more powerful town are left alive so the pool isnt narrowed.

[Porscha]

im kind of baffled by you describing alison and creature as being in "similar positions" when the way they approached the day yesterday couldnt relaly have been more different

They both are in similar positions as the whole thread are after them. Idk why that wouldn’t be a similar position.

ok well maybe they were in a similar position in the sense that both of them were being scumread by the rest of the thread but the way they approached d2 and interacted w/the people around them could not have been more different, which is why it's absurd that ur trying to draw a comparison between them to discredit my tr on alison

in general your read on alison really bothers me and is probably the biggest concern that i have about ur rn - it feels like ur trying to push a world where she is mafia more than u actually have a good rwason to believe that she s mafia. can u explain like im 5 why alison is mafia fypov?

can I ask you if you ever see a world where alison and creature are both being strongly pressured (creature referred to numerously as "outted wolf" - not a pressure put onto alison in nearly the same way whatsoever) and creature reacts more like alison and alison acts more like creature? they both reacted how they would always react... I'm not sober but I guess what i'm trying to say is that how they reacted to their individual pressures was NAI for both of them. I don't think you should look at the question of "from a similar starting point, how do these players react differently affects my reads on them" because... Creature replied in his own towny way. It's why I wouldn't agree that he was an outted wolf. Under the pressure Creature was under, including STRONG mac tunnel, that is how town Creature replies.
Town alison would never react how Creature reacted, because Alison would never act like that under any circumstances. Do you believe that Alison's response to her pushes, which I would argue (besides the mac argument) that Alison has actually been under quite a bit less scrutiny than Creature was. Why would Alison play any different than she always does, which is a cool-under-pressure town player, and a pretty cool-under-pressure player who you have admitted you aren't very good at reading?

I don't get why you can't just take the hints and agree to doubt yourself more. It's like you're intentionally clinging to the idea that Alison has to be town. Open up your view... I feel you are actively trying to look at it subjectively (like a smaller version of confbias) rather than a more neutral and therefore more objective mindset.

again, i feel like you misunderstood what my post was trying to say because this entire post is just you agreeing with me

alison and creature reacted differently to pressure based on their own individual personalities/the context from which they were being pressured in, which means that it is illogical to read their reactions from the same foundation or assume that their reactions should be read in the same way. aro was implying that it was hypocritical for me to read creature and alison from two different standards, when it would actually be illogical to read them from the same standard

also wrt to "opening up my view" on alison, i'm not sure what else you want from me. i've been clear about the fact that i'm not going to put up a fight against alison being eliminated today even though my intuition still feels like she's town. i've been clear about the fact that i think she could just be mafia and that my view of the game is simply wrong. i have been open minded today, but i'm not gonna call alison mafia without a good reason just because you're telling me that i should

Mmm no, I dont think I'm agreeing with you. I agreed with aro that they had at least similar starting positions. You said creatures response was wolfier than Alison's, so you compared their responses to each other (which is better which is worse) rather than asking (do I believe their respective responses make either one of them wolfy)

Feel free to have a gut check TL read on alison. Too bad it takes up a largely disproportionate portion of your ISO, so it has you in a ... position. That makes you look a bit obsessed with Alison's slot despite having only a vibe check TL.

no i think that you're disagreeing with aro, because this is the section of aro's post that i was replying to:

Wow, this is rich coming from you tbh, you’re giving Alison the benefit of the doubt for being in a “wrong gamestate” and when creature was in a similar position, you piled on him like there was no tomorrow?? WhTs that about?

to me, this post is clearly saying that i should be holding creature and alison to the same standards since they were in a similar position, which is why i pointed out that their reactions were incredibly different and that it isn't logical to draw a comparison between the two

feels like semantics but i think youre just wrong about what the conversation was about tbh

sure. but you did specifically use the defense of "yeah they both reacted under pressure but alison's response was so much better than creature's because creature did x, y, z." so that statement clearly points to a thought where you are comparing the 2 responses to have made your voting decision for yesterday.

Sorry if that wasn't really what you were going on about from a broader perspective, but you did say that, and I did read it, and I did understand it as plainly as it was stated.

[arogame123]

You know, I was thinking about this. I kind of expected Mac to die N1, but him dying instead of N2 is interesting considering that Jack died N1.

Jack was one of the main people against the idea of "keeping stronger players alive bc of pelts" and "killing the people who you view as scummy" so I feel like if the mafia team is within the "stronger players" it would make sense for them to kill Jack in order to maintain status quo and stay safe.

killing Mac is the opposite of this theory. Which just makes me want you more. If this theory was true then Dr.neon/nanook/porcha/myselfsparkle would be the target so more powerful town are left alive so the pool isnt narrowed.

? I am talking in regards to the N1 kill lol

Idk if you read Jack's ISO, but his biggest thing was that he was against the idea of "keeping stronger players alive bc of pelts" he believed that we should kill scummy people despite what their "pelt status."

So my thing is I expected Mac to die N1, but instead him dying N2 meant mafia prioritized wanting Jack dead.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

And to that, we like to say...

WHY-FOM

You know, I was thinking about this. I kind of expected Mac to die N1, but him dying instead of N2 is interesting considering that Jack died N1.

Jack was one of the main people against the idea of "keeping stronger players alive bc of pelts" and "killing the people who you view as scummy" so I feel like if the mafia team is within the "stronger players" it would make sense for them to kill Jack in order to maintain status quo and stay safe.

killing Mac is the opposite of this theory. Which just makes me want you more. If this theory was true then Dr.neon/nanook/porcha/myselfsparkle would be the target so more powerful town are left alive so the pool isnt narrowed.

? I am talking in regards to the N1 kill lol

Idk if you read Jack's ISO, but his biggest thing was that he was against the idea of "keeping stronger players alive bc of pelts" he believed that we should kill scummy people despite what their "pelt status."

So my thing is I expected Mac to die N1, but instead him dying N2 meant mafia prioritized wanting Jack dead.

[arogame123]

Did your response get cut off?

[arogame123]

@staypositivefriend do you think these posts from aro are just wrong or wolf indicative?

if im being totally honest he feels more like an aggressively incorrect villager to me than someone with a nefarious wolf agenda but im annoyed so i want him to be mafia lol

sick hedge

it's not a hedge i think he's probably town

Your vote says otherwise.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Did your response get cut off?

[arogame123]

Did your response get cut off?

I'm confused then lol.

[arogame123]

oh wait... I think I get it...

It's all... WHY-FOM