King of the Hill Mafia

[Lilypetal]

i think wilgz slot has to be town from the last minute swap onto alison in day 1

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think there's likely a d2 alison busser and obviously a d3 one

Someone compile vcs for me

It was me.

Woild be pretty cool for me if true

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i think wilgz slot has to be town from the last minute swap onto alison in day 1

I don't think they have to be but they probably are

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend how are u feeling my fellow incorrect player

i felt really shitty for about 12 hours but im mostly over it now. it happens and the best thing i can do is learn from it and not repeat the same mistake again

[staypositivefriend]

does anyone remember who posted the votecounts throughout the end of d1 and the end of d2? i think that's the first place that i want to look today to do some basic gamestate analysis

[staypositivefriend]

Also @Lilypetal and @staypositivefriend would like to hear ur guys current thoughts as you guys felt that Alison was v and were the more vocal defenders of her yesterday.

Seeing as how we have 4 kills, a town core of 5 and a POE of 4 wins us the game, so I would like to work on that today and get that all settled so we have a blueprint set in place to win this game.

i'll have a much more clearly defined view of the game in about 24 hours

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

does anyone remember who posted the votecounts throughout the end of d1 and the end of d2? i think that's the first place that i want to look today to do some basic gamestate analysis

Santy iirc

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wait

Was that the other game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It was the other game, smh

[staypositivefriend]

locktown: Rondo, Aro
town: Porscha
rest
scum: Boq, Alison
lockscum: lily

Porscha, Creature, Falcon all town. Going back to my meta of only being able to find townies.

Town with relatively large amount of confidence

SPF - SPF's pattern in this game matches her town game. Not only in the fact that she's attracting her usual share of random tinfoil from others (including me) but also in her own play. One thing I will say is that if Creature is town I don't think SPF is ever mafia. SPF as mafia would not bury a townie the way they've buried Creature today. SPF is hyper conscious of her TMI as mafia and she would be far more inclined to feel the need to be right on Creature, especially given Creature did not begin the day a foregone conclusion for a chop. The ONLY way this play makes sense for SPF is if either Creature is her partner and she is bussing him, or Alison is her partner and she is selling out her optics hard just to get Alison to day 3. But that doesn't actually make sense either because her treatment of Alison has not been partner indicative. Now the key here is that Creature is probably mafia regardless of SPF's alignment. If SPF is mafia, this is probably a bus, and if she is town, well she's SPF and when she zones in on a read like this I've rarely ever seen it be wrong.

Lucy - I can't really point at one individual thing here from inside the game but I've just had the sense she's been town the entire time. For her to be mafia she'd need to be pocketing me hard as she kept saying things like "Mac will get us a pelt" on repeat. Outside of that she would need to have levelled her mafia range quite substantially to be one here as she has hardly been pushed by a single player, which just doesn't feel like wolf Lucy would have occur.

NANOOK - I have been dwelling on this for a while, and I think the summary I made about Nanook's end of day 1 is nearly clearing for him. Wolf Nanook playing the EOD the way that he did and landing on town Falcon after being positioned to gain a lot of cred from wolf Alison flip doesn't make any sense. If Alison was town, the eod didn't require Nanook to do anything and his focus on not ensuring a tie, while perhaps could just have been him hamming it up, I don't think it was. He has not played day 2 like someone with any agenda.

Seanzie - I just think he's obvious town, like his play has a major lack of TMI to it. He's going through his town Seanzie pattern and has been the entire game. Dude is a polarised noob.

Rondo - He's obviously been very "townie" on day 2 with his catch up and really making himself the central person in the game, and while I don't think that alone is outside his scumrange, it isn't likely to be the way I'd expect scum Rondo to play after subbing in to a slank slot and starting the game off trolling. One post he made that really felt town was when he told Seanzie about the time he snowed me and how orgasmic it was. Given I was strongly townreading Rondo at that point and he knew it, his mindset would have been that he was in the midst of snowing me x 2 and I doubt it ever occurs to him to reminisce about the time that he did if he was in the middle of doing it again. Feels like one of those dumb reads that are right.

Porscha - Porscha's known scumrange has been exceeded. It is possible that she is being pushed into this but I feel like for her to exceed her scumrange the way she is she'd need to have a dance partner. As much as it might seem strange I think Porscha is only mafia if Alison is mafia and the day 1 was a drama show. That said, I also feel like if Porscha was a wolf (and especially if Alison was one partner), that this day 2 would be going very differently for her.

i do think that porscha is probably spewed town from the gamestate because this is now the third player in a row who has died with her as one of their most confident townreads, and it's difficult for me to see porscha's team consistently killing the players who strongly townread her even in a world where her other partner is super deep

i also think alison might have spewed porscha as town based on the way she treated her slot as expendable but i'm going off of memory for that one

[staypositivefriend]

santy is not in this game yeah

[staypositivefriend]

nanook what do ur reads look like coming into today?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nanook what do ur reads look like coming into today?

Wilgy porscha town

You probably mafia

Figure out the rest

[staypositivefriend]

i think the rondo slot is probably spewed town as well

I don't think Seanzie or Falcon are the correct exes for today. Mac says he wants to shield Porscha, that she has a volume tell, whatever.

So we just turbo Jack or Rondo yeah? Because nobody else is remotely close to a good option.

it seems obvious to me that alison was trying to powerwolf as hard as possible at the EOD1, and i don't think she was in a position where it's likely that she would risk hardbussing, particularly since the way the day played out implies to me that alison probably did not fully accept her death on d1 and thought she had a chance of saving herself

with that in mind,i don't think that alison would suggest flashwagoning her partner like that even if it had a low chance of realistically happening, and in general it feels like alison spent a great deal of trying to line up rondo as a mischop. lucy also died with rondo as one of her strongest townreads for whatever that's worth

[staypositivefriend]

nanook what do ur reads look like coming into today?

Wilgy porscha town

You probably mafia

Figure out the rest

why am i probably maf

[staypositivefriend]

i think figuring out nanook today is one of my top priorities because most of his posts have gone completely through me for this entire game

[staypositivefriend]

today is going to be the SPF redemption arc era where i successfully lead the game into a mafia chop after hard wolfsiding for the first 3 days

[staypositivefriend]

believe it!

[Lilypetal]

wilgz + rondo + porscha town nice

if spf isn't a wolf this game is even easier

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nanook what do ur reads look like coming into today?

Wilgy porscha town

You probably mafia

Figure out the rest

why am i probably maf

Kinda think between you/aro/boq there's a mafia, you kinda fit to me with the way you largely didn't directly or vociferously defended alison but kinda attacked the structure of the SRs on her a lot while maintaining she was not a hard TR for you, it sort of fits a classic partner approach

Like it wouldn't surprise me if you're town, I just sort of think you fit, but its for stuff that can happen to town too

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i think figuring out nanook today is one of my top priorities because most of his posts have gone completely through me for this entire game

Probably shouldn't be hard to do lol

[staypositivefriend]

i do think that rondo and porscha are probably town but i'm struggling a bit more with wilgy. can someone who feels strongly about him being town talk to me about why?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Neon's swap, good posting yesterday

[Seanzie]

i think the rondo slot is probably spewed town as well

I don't think Seanzie or Falcon are the correct exes for today. Mac says he wants to shield Porscha, that she has a volume tell, whatever.

So we just turbo Jack or Rondo yeah? Because nobody else is remotely close to a good option.

it seems obvious to me that alison was trying to powerwolf as hard as possible at the EOD1, and i don't think she was in a position where it's likely that she would risk hardbussing, particularly since the way the day played out implies to me that alison probably did not fully accept her death on d1 and thought she had a chance of saving herself

with that in mind,i don't think that alison would suggest flashwagoning her partner like that even if it had a low chance of realistically happening, and in general it feels like alison spent a great deal of trying to line up rondo as a mischop. lucy also died with rondo as one of her strongest townreads for whatever that's worth

Yeah, I'd support an SPF elim off this post.

[staypositivefriend]

nanook what do ur reads look like coming into today?

Wilgy porscha town

You probably mafia

Figure out the rest

why am i probably maf

Kinda think between you/aro/boq there's a mafia, you kinda fit to me with the way you largely didn't directly or vociferously defended alison but kinda attacked the structure of the SRs on her a lot while maintaining she was not a hard TR for you, it sort of fits a classic partner approach

Like it wouldn't surprise me if you're town, I just sort of think you fit, but its for stuff that can happen to town too

hmmmm are you sure that you're talking about the right player? i defended alison VERY vociferously on d1 and d2 and got legitimately angry that people were voting for "bad" reasons. it wasn't until yesterday that i figured out i might just be wolfsiding and decided to trust that everyone else had a higher chance at being correct than i was

i do think that being vociferous for me looks a bit different than how being vociferous might look for other people though

[staypositivefriend]

i think the rondo slot is probably spewed town as well

I don't think Seanzie or Falcon are the correct exes for today. Mac says he wants to shield Porscha, that she has a volume tell, whatever.

So we just turbo Jack or Rondo yeah? Because nobody else is remotely close to a good option.

it seems obvious to me that alison was trying to powerwolf as hard as possible at the EOD1, and i don't think she was in a position where it's likely that she would risk hardbussing, particularly since the way the day played out implies to me that alison probably did not fully accept her death on d1 and thought she had a chance of saving herself

with that in mind,i don't think that alison would suggest flashwagoning her partner like that even if it had a low chance of realistically happening, and in general it feels like alison spent a great deal of trying to line up rondo as a mischop. lucy also died with rondo as one of her strongest townreads for whatever that's worth

Yeah, I'd support an SPF elim off this post.

why? do u disagree w/the reasoning?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nanook what do ur reads look like coming into today?

Wilgy porscha town

You probably mafia

Figure out the rest

why am i probably maf

Kinda think between you/aro/boq there's a mafia, you kinda fit to me with the way you largely didn't directly or vociferously defended alison but kinda attacked the structure of the SRs on her a lot while maintaining she was not a hard TR for you, it sort of fits a classic partner approach

Like it wouldn't surprise me if you're town, I just sort of think you fit, but its for stuff that can happen to town too

hmmmm are you sure that you're talking about the right player? i defended alison VERY vociferously on d1 and d2 and got legitimately angry that people were voting for "bad" reasons. it wasn't until yesterday that i figured out i might just be wolfsiding and decided to trust that everyone else had a higher chance at being correct than i was

i do think that being vociferous for me looks a bit different than how being vociferous might look for other people though

Yeah I'm largely talking about d3, sorry I was not clear about that lol

[Seanzie]

i think the rondo slot is probably spewed town as well

I don't think Seanzie or Falcon are the correct exes for today. Mac says he wants to shield Porscha, that she has a volume tell, whatever.

So we just turbo Jack or Rondo yeah? Because nobody else is remotely close to a good option.

it seems obvious to me that alison was trying to powerwolf as hard as possible at the EOD1, and i don't think she was in a position where it's likely that she would risk hardbussing, particularly since the way the day played out implies to me that alison probably did not fully accept her death on d1 and thought she had a chance of saving herself

with that in mind,i don't think that alison would suggest flashwagoning her partner like that even if it had a low chance of realistically happening, and in general it feels like alison spent a great deal of trying to line up rondo as a mischop. lucy also died with rondo as one of her strongest townreads for whatever that's worth

Yeah, I'd support an SPF elim off this post.

why? do u disagree w/the reasoning?

Yes. I think trying to read late-D1-Alison-about-to-die as anything other than antispew suggests either motive or naïvety, and you don't strike me as naïve. Reading it as level 0 genuine? Nah. There is no world where that post endangered Rondo, and Alison is good enough to have known that.

[staypositivefriend]

i think figuring out nanook today is one of my top priorities because most of his posts have gone completely through me for this entire game

Probably shouldn't be hard to do lol

if youre town in this game too then im not really sure what happened to my ability to read you. i found you really difficult to find as town in cats and dogs because i struggled to get a grasp on your worldview and i thought your tone sounded vaguely "manipulative"/untrustworthy and i've been feeling similarly about you in this game. in theory i agree that it should be easy for me to read you but if youre town then im honestly not sure how to get there rn

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i think figuring out nanook today is one of my top priorities because most of his posts have gone completely through me for this entire game

Probably shouldn't be hard to do lol

if youre town in this game too then im not really sure what happened to my ability to read you. i found you really difficult to find as town in cats and dogs because i struggled to get a grasp on your worldview and i thought your tone sounded vaguely "manipulative"/untrustworthy and i've been feeling similarly about you in this game. in theory i agree that it should be easy for me to read you but if youre town then im honestly not sure how to get there rn

I mean you just cited a game I seem familiar to and was town in, so

Problem solved? Lol

[staypositivefriend]

i think the rondo slot is probably spewed town as well

I don't think Seanzie or Falcon are the correct exes for today. Mac says he wants to shield Porscha, that she has a volume tell, whatever.

So we just turbo Jack or Rondo yeah? Because nobody else is remotely close to a good option.

it seems obvious to me that alison was trying to powerwolf as hard as possible at the EOD1, and i don't think she was in a position where it's likely that she would risk hardbussing, particularly since the way the day played out implies to me that alison probably did not fully accept her death on d1 and thought she had a chance of saving herself

with that in mind,i don't think that alison would suggest flashwagoning her partner like that even if it had a low chance of realistically happening, and in general it feels like alison spent a great deal of trying to line up rondo as a mischop. lucy also died with rondo as one of her strongest townreads for whatever that's worth

Yeah, I'd support an SPF elim off this post.

why? do u disagree w/the reasoning?

Yes. I think trying to read late-D1-Alison-about-to-die as anything other than antispew suggests either motive or naïvety, and you don't strike me as naïve. Reading it as level 0 genuine? Nah. There is no world where that post endangered Rondo, and Alison is good enough to have known that.

i disagree - we can know that alison hadn't given up on dying by the EOD1 since she switched her vote to falcon and actively tried to save herself, which means that it's not logical to conclude that she was already in anti-spew. i think it's quite possible that she was in anti-spew from D2 - onward, but the way she posted on d1 does not strike me as coming from a position of anti-spew (for example, she tried hard to push through a jack miselimination as well, which is something she probably would not do in a world where she had already conceded to dying and was playing from a position of anti-spew)

i agree that it wouldn't look good for rondo if alison was just like "lol rondo is mafia" and then left it at that, but she treated her slot in an identical way that she treated jack's slot, which increases the likelihood that both of them are town

[staypositivefriend]

i think figuring out nanook today is one of my top priorities because most of his posts have gone completely through me for this entire game

Probably shouldn't be hard to do lol

if youre town in this game too then im not really sure what happened to my ability to read you. i found you really difficult to find as town in cats and dogs because i struggled to get a grasp on your worldview and i thought your tone sounded vaguely "manipulative"/untrustworthy and i've been feeling similarly about you in this game. in theory i agree that it should be easy for me to read you but if youre town then im honestly not sure how to get there rn

I mean you just cited a game I seem familiar to and was town in, so

Problem solved? Lol

but you didn't feel towny to me in that game until i said you sounded like a used car salesman and you got mad at me so now i feel like if youre town i have to make u mad again to make u towntell lol

[staypositivefriend]

and your tone in the cats and dogs game reminded me of the tone of your wolf game, in the same way that your tone in this game also vaguely reminds me of your wolf game. that's the problem

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

"Your tone sounds similar to last time we were town together"

"I can't find you"


Idk dude maybe just like

Consider you're only good at reading one variation of my play

And then consider whether you think low impact scumNanook lazy busses his partner from d1 on lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like I don't think im unfindable here lol

[Lilypetal]

nook tonally sounds exactly like misplay mafia tbh and he was V in that game. but idk much abt people

[Lilypetal]

i have never played with w!spf before

is the day 1 shenanigans something yall think w!spf would do with w!alison?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You could also just say "mac TR nanook, good enough for me" which honestly maybe you should considering your personal metrics obviously are out of whack

[Seanzie]

i think the rondo slot is probably spewed town as well

I don't think Seanzie or Falcon are the correct exes for today. Mac says he wants to shield Porscha, that she has a volume tell, whatever.

So we just turbo Jack or Rondo yeah? Because nobody else is remotely close to a good option.

it seems obvious to me that alison was trying to powerwolf as hard as possible at the EOD1, and i don't think she was in a position where it's likely that she would risk hardbussing, particularly since the way the day played out implies to me that alison probably did not fully accept her death on d1 and thought she had a chance of saving herself

with that in mind,i don't think that alison would suggest flashwagoning her partner like that even if it had a low chance of realistically happening, and in general it feels like alison spent a great deal of trying to line up rondo as a mischop. lucy also died with rondo as one of her strongest townreads for whatever that's worth

Yeah, I'd support an SPF elim off this post.

why? do u disagree w/the reasoning?

Yes. I think trying to read late-D1-Alison-about-to-die as anything other than antispew suggests either motive or naïvety, and you don't strike me as naïve. Reading it as level 0 genuine? Nah. There is no world where that post endangered Rondo, and Alison is good enough to have known that.

i disagree - we can know that alison hadn't given up on dying by the EOD1 since she switched her vote to falcon and actively tried to save herself, which means that it's not logical to conclude that she was already in anti-spew. i think it's quite possible that she was in anti-spew from D2 - onward, but the way she posted on d1 does not strike me as coming from a position of anti-spew (for example, she tried hard to push through a jack miselimination as well, which is something she probably would not do in a world where she had already conceded to dying and was playing from a position of anti-spew)

i agree that it wouldn't look good for rondo if alison was just like "lol rondo is mafia" and then left it at that, but she treated her slot in an identical way that she treated jack's slot, which increases the likelihood that both of them are town

Trying to equate Alison voting Falcon with Alison's comment about Rondo is dubious.

Also, Alison treating Rondo kind of like Jack when they were both low posters with no thread presence means nothing, and things like that often come from thoughts like "I want to push Jack, but if I push Jack and not my partner, that would spew my partner, so I need to push both". The rule of 3 is a thing for a reason, and while this isn't one, the penumbra of the rule still apply to this situation.

[staypositivefriend]

i'm not equating alison voting falcon with alison's comment about rondo - i'm saying that alison voting falcon, and alison trying to change the wagons to jack/rondo implies that she was not in anti-spew and that she was still actively attempting to stay alive. if she was in anti-spew, she would not be actively attempting to stay alive. that is not how anti-spew works

[staypositivefriend]

point taken wrt to the rule of three thing but i do think that alison's treatment of rondo reflects well on him even if maybe i'm clearing him a bit too easily from it

[staypositivefriend]

You could also just say "mac TR nanook, good enough for me" which honestly maybe you should considering your personal metrics obviously are out of whack

yeah maybe

[Lilypetal]

what is the rule of 3 lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

what is the rule of 3 lol

There can only be three sith at one time. The master, the apprentice, and [the apprentice's primary secret apprentice, the former apprentice with robotic legs, several "dark jedi" that don't count for Reasons]

[DrWilgy]

i think figuring out nanook today is one of my top priorities because most of his posts have gone completely through me for this entire game

This is literally not the priority, I don't understand why this would be the priority.

There are players who were like 'Alison was likely V' but Nook is your priority?

[DrWilgy]

i do think that rondo and porscha are probably town but i'm struggling a bit more with wilgy. can someone who feels strongly about him being town talk to me about why?

Like, even this just feels like you are in effort to leave as many slots open as possible.

So far I can softly say you have 2 soft town reads that are very soft and that's about it.

[DrWilgy]

remaining scum are [VOTE: SPF] aubergine and Lily.

gg.

[DrWilgy]

Oh no, turns out I'm just simping for Nook this game.

[staypositivefriend]

i think figuring out nanook today is one of my top priorities because most of his posts have gone completely through me for this entire game

This is literally not the priority, I don't understand why this would be the priority.

There are players who were like 'Alison was likely V' but Nook is your priority?

are you really not capable of understanding why figuring out the alignment of a player ive been struggling to read all game is one of my top priorities for today, or are you just mafia trying to frame my posts in a disingenuous way?

[Lilypetal]

remaining scum are [VOTE: SPF] aubergine and Lily.

gg.

you know this to be illogical

you think both of alison's scum partners were reading her v when she was going to inevitably die by day 3?