staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:54 pmthe communication and the structure of today have been fucking garbagearogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm???? Why do you feel this way?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 pm i am getting mildly tilted by the gamestate but it's because i am partly grumpy and tired so im trying to hold my tongue
this gamestate is really quite horrible though
within the last few hours, boquise and alison have both been leading wagons in serious contention to die today, and the reasons to scumreade both of them have not extended beyond: "i am worried that this person might be mafia" or "i think this person is posting kind of weirdly". even among the players that are being wagoned who are actually scummy, the reasoning is consistently pretty horrible
it's embarrassing to think that i am playing this game with multiple villagers who are OK with killing some of the strongest players in the game who have a high potential of solving the game if theyre town or being nightkilled within the next couple of nights because they "feel off" or because you "don't like the vibes". that's not how you play mafia, that's not how you bring structure to a game, and that's not how you scumhunt. if you think that someone is wolfy then it is your responsibility to dive deeply into their posts and figure out why instead of pushing for objectively anti-town kills because you had a gut feeling
even among the players being wagoned who i could actually see containing a wolf (porscha/jack), i feel like i'm the only person who has actually provided decent reasoning for why either of them could have wolf equity
this is basically how the d1 of every mountainous game throughout this past champs season has played out in the games where the town lost, and everyone needs to collectively get their shit together and kick it into gear if we don't want to get swept by the wolfteam on like d4
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:51 pm if alison gets miseliminated today because people didnt like her vibe then you can expect me to barely play the game if im alive tomorrow
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:52 pm if alison dies today and flips town then my legacy is to murder every single person that was on her wagon one by one. they are either mafia or sided with the mafia enough that there isn't a meaningful difference
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:22 pm toward the end of yesterday i was so baffled by the randomness of the alison wagon that i was fairly convinced that it was being propped up by the POE as a way to save alison. now that falcon has flipped town, i have to admit to being even more baffled
why do people scumread alison? why is she scummy? why does she need to die today? i really need anyone who intends to push on her today to give me a reason that extends beyond "threadstate" or "vibes" or whatever lazy ass reasoning people gave yesterday
oh and as a PSA to the rest of the game, all of the above posts are out of my wolfrange. anyone who is even somewhat familiar with how i approach wolf games could tell you that i handle TMI poorly and struggle not to TMI my partners as mafia, and that i'm not much of a powerwolfer and err on the side of bussing almost anytime. i even have a reputation on my homesite for being a hellbusser. on top of that, anyone who knows how i play as a wolf could tell you that i am cold and emotionless as a wolf and struggle to express authentic feelingsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:08 pm i think part of the problem with this game is that i'm struggling to establish a foundation of people that i trust, and all of my thoughts more disjointed than they usually are
i think that mac is blatant town and the way he has played over the last ~2 hours or so cement that fact. i don't think his push on alison comes out in the specific way that it has (or with the level of conviction that it has) in a world where he's mafia
i'm struggling to come to alison being a wolf for a couple of reasons:
1. if alison is mafia, who reasonably has partner equity with her? the momentum against her yesterday came almost exclusively from a pool of people that i perceive as likely containing a high number of wolves, and most of these were players were widely POE'd yesterday as well (ie: Nanook, Neon, Porscha,, Seanzie,, RondoDimBuckle all had their votes on alison toward the end of the day and were among the earliest to push against her)
so, in a world where the wolves are being correctly widely POE'd by the rest of the game and are in an unstable thread position, why on earth would they decide to hardbus alison? what would they gain from bussing one of the strongest players in the game who could easily endgame as a wolf? what tangible benefit would they get from it?
the alternative is that alison actually is mafia and her partners voted to protect her on d1, but this would require that:
A. my view of the game is upside down and there are multiple wolves contained within like, (mac, lily, lucy, aro), etc
B. the wolves were willing to go hard to protect alison on d1 with the full awareness that they would look bad in a world where she inevitably flipped W
this doesn't seem like a risk that most wolf teams would be willing to take, and i actually suspect that alison is the type of player who would ASK to be bussed in the position she was in on d1, but i don't see any viable bussers for her that wouldn't have been stupidly suicidal/playing against the win condition of their team to try to bury her on d1
2. i just don't find her posts that wolfy. maybe this is a skill issue on my part, and maybe my mind will change once i read mac's posts about alison more thoroughly, but i just don't! she is much more assertive and forceful with her reads than she was in the spec chat inviational, in which she was extremely passive and barely made moves to influence the threadstate. she is much more naturally suspicious of me even though she would almost want to pocket me in a world where she's a wolf and i'm incorrectly defending her. and in general, i don't find the reasons i've seen to scumread her (outside of some of mac's points) to be compelling or good.....at all
so yeah idk, im trying my best to conceptualize analison wolf world but i can't really shake the feeling that she's more likely to be town than not. there have been multiple times in recent memory where i had a correct read and the entire gamestate was telling me i was wrong and i ended up being right anyway - i don't really want to doubt my instincts even though i'm aware that i'm creating quite the hole for myself in a world where alison is W
porscha is still a wide target of suspicion among most people here, but i am similarly struggling to grasp what the case on her is. i agree that some of her posts in early d1 felt fake and like they came from a wolf that is going through the motions, but i think she has significantly improved from the middle of d1- nward, even if i'm not confident about her being town. i think that i need a specific case against porscha in order for me to get to a world where she's a wolf, because as of now i would describe her posts as being: "broadly fine"
i want to write a paragraph for every player here but im losing energy so im just gonna post it
as a wolf it would be impossible for me to make these posts about alison if i had TMI that she was mafia, both in terms of the level of irritation/anger i showed at her being wagoned and the depth of thought in my reasoning behind her being town
im not expecting this to change anyones mind but i want it to be noted for future reference that ive been out of my wolfrange since d1 and that i am being voted solely because if policy and not because anyone has a good reason to scumread me
