King of the Hill Mafia

[RondoDimBuckle]

I mean it's important if you truly want to find me as town and realize that my playstyle here that you are describing and upset about correlates with what I have done in my town games.

I know you can do those things in your town games but then I guess I start to ask when do you start playing optimally once you are later in a game? is it not an easy emulation for you to copy as maf? are you polarized?

I wouldn't say I am polarized, but when you harp on me for mentioning to you that you need to convince others that if you believe SPF is town if you believe that, it's because I speak from experience and it's how I operate. I know that in this game, getting votes and having town vote together is very important. From your pov, if you believe Lily and Nanook are likely town in addition to SPF, then from your pov, it's very likely the other 2 mafia just stack onto SPF anyways and go into LyLo. Because Lily and Nanook are tunneled onto SPF and that is their first priority, they likely won't vote elsewhere till they get SPF resolved, which is why I was saying you would need to convince them why u believe SPF is townie. That's where my mindset is and you were giving me side eyes for that when that's my thought process.

As far as my treatment and reads, you expect me not to read off "sheep" or off "legacy" but that is how I play and it's how I operate lol. I pay a lot of attention to the dead town voices and attempt to make sure they are heard through my reads. I do carry legacies and it's how I operate. If you don't like that, then that's fine. Agree to disagree, but that's how I play the game and is my playstyle.

I understand your point. my point is that the best way to do this is to not sit here and town case spf. it's to find the actual wolves

Right and I get that, which is why I want to work with you on focusing/discussing about Rondo/Seanzie as well.

Another thing I wanted to ask and maybe this is to challenge your reads a bit Porscha. FYPOV, seeing as how Wilgy wanted to kill SPF today if Boq flipped town and seeing as how you are a defender for SPF and you are considered top town, why do you think mafia killed Wilgy over you if they could have just gotten more votes onto SPF if she is town and head into Lylo? If SPF is town, what other reason do you believe you are alive and which of your reads could be wrong if that's the case or do you think it is something entirely different?

Seanzie and I are not w/w together but does that eliminate us being t/t together? Not that I do have a lock town read on him

From my perspective, you and Seanzie can potentially be t/t if it’s both SPF and Lily from the tinfoil thought I stated earlier. If not, then there is likely a mafia between you and Seanzie with my town read on Nanook and Porscha.

I wouldn't be surprised if seanzie was wolf this game he has second best position

[Lilypetal]

Only thing holding me back from seanzie is boq's tr in his legacy

[RondoDimBuckle]

Anyways Porscha, as I mentioned, if you believe that SPF/Lily is t/t, then from my perspective, both Seanzie/Porscha would have to be mafia, but as I stated, I’m not sure if that makes sense since I believe Seanzie/Porscha are not w/w for the reasons I stated. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also @staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal , I know y’all are both against each other, but in a hypothetical, let’s say the other flips town, who would you believe the 2 mafia to be then from your pov?

Seanzie rondo ig

Weak, game losing, outing

[Porscha]

Anyways what it comes down to is im tunneled on spf and don't see myself breaking out of it so we've gotta kill one of us today cause if we're both town and both alive at f5 we probably lose

I dknt like strong arming stuff but we're just at that point

ok so who is her partner in your world even tho I think you're wrong

Currently have aro/sean filling out my poe

can I ask why rondo is not possible for you rn

Emphasis on currently lol. Honestly I've only done barebones thinking beyond spf, I wouldn't sheep that poe if I died on the spot as there's a very good chance it would change overnight if spf does flip red

Can I ask you why I am?

Cuties go into poe

[Porscha]

Only thing holding me back from seanzie is boq's tr in his legacy

Lol

[Porscha]

I think I kinda never want sean in lylo cuz hes slanking too much and will get ML'd if he isnt wolfing under the radar

I'll look deeper into the game when I'm home after work later tonight

[Lilypetal]

Anyways Porscha, as I mentioned, if you believe that SPF/Lily is t/t, then from my perspective, both Seanzie/Porscha would have to be mafia, but as I stated, I’m not sure if that makes sense since I believe Seanzie/Porscha are not w/w for the reasons I stated. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also @staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal , I know y’all are both against each other, but in a hypothetical, let’s say the other flips town, who would you believe the 2 mafia to be then from your pov?

Seanzie rondo ig

Weak, game losing, outing

what else is there?

if me spf porscha aro are all town then there's only 3 choices and nanook is town imo

[Porscha]

What more can I do to look town?

c'mon now. lol

See the way you say this just makes me think you think I am town so loo

Your 2 intro posts to today were wildly wolfy but you are already aware and idk of you're double triple whiplashing me here or what but I had to comment for sure lol

[Porscha]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME after my tuffle with aro today do you still have them poe?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Anyways Porscha, as I mentioned, if you believe that SPF/Lily is t/t, then from my perspective, both Seanzie/Porscha would have to be mafia, but as I stated, I’m not sure if that makes sense since I believe Seanzie/Porscha are not w/w for the reasons I stated. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also @staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal , I know y’all are both against each other, but in a hypothetical, let’s say the other flips town, who would you believe the 2 mafia to be then from your pov?

Seanzie rondo ig

Weak, game losing, outing

what else is there?

if me spf porscha aro are all town then there's only 3 choices and nanook is town imo

Then you're clearing a wolf or are wolf

[Lilypetal]

Anyways Porscha, as I mentioned, if you believe that SPF/Lily is t/t, then from my perspective, both Seanzie/Porscha would have to be mafia, but as I stated, I’m not sure if that makes sense since I believe Seanzie/Porscha are not w/w for the reasons I stated. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Also @staypositivefriend and @Lilypetal , I know y’all are both against each other, but in a hypothetical, let’s say the other flips town, who would you believe the 2 mafia to be then from your pov?

Seanzie rondo ig

Weak, game losing, outing

what else is there?

if me spf porscha aro are all town then there's only 3 choices and nanook is town imo

Then you're clearing a wolf or are wolf

yes i would most likely be clearing aro in that world lol

[Lilypetal]

but i was asked for a hypothetical by aro that's not "outing"

[RondoDimBuckle]

What more can I do to look town?

c'mon now. lol

See the way you say this just makes me think you think I am town so loo

Your 2 intro posts to today were wildly wolfy but you are already aware and idk of you're double triple whiplashing me here or what but I had to comment for sure lol

Hahah those two posts are nai for me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME after my tuffle with aro today do you still have them poe?

My "poe" outside of spf is ambiguous and fluid but the tuffle did not really move the needle for me

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Nanook ] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[staypositivefriend]

alright i'm here now if anyone wants to chat/realtime

[staypositivefriend]

is no one else around??

[Lilypetal]

hello

[Lilypetal]

although you just think im a wolf so not much to talk abt

[RondoDimBuckle]

Wow so little talking going on

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This is gonna be another game where we don't kill the people nanook wants to before Fx then we get to Fx and nanook has the decision and it's harder than it needs to be cause we didn't kill the people nanook wanted to

So irritating

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends

[staypositivefriend]

although you just think im a wolf so not much to talk abt

well, im willing to consider a world where we're T/T

who do u think the maf are in that world?

[staypositivefriend]

If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends

nah dont pull this, if we are both alive in LYLO tomorrow and you vote me and we lose then it's your responsibility and no one elses. it is also your responsibility for me getting mischopped today

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If spf is town and you guys don't kill her today and we lose tomorrow because I voted her im putting the blame entirely on the rest of you, ive been exceedingly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of her while she's alive

Like to be absolutely crystal clear, I am parked on her from now until she dies or the game ends

nah dont pull this, if we are both alive in LYLO tomorrow and you vote me and we lose then it's your responsibility and no one elses. it is also your responsibility for me getting mischopped today

If everyone else wants to try and kill mafia outside of you, fine, whatever, but nobody can complain about "NaNoOk DiDnT rEaSeSs" or whatever if you're town and we lose at f5 because of it lol, I am being extremely clear about my intent, I am really tired of ending up at endgames where I have to make a choice between people I wanted poe'd and/or killed and then getting blamed if I pick wrong lol, if im gonna have to make the choice at f5 I want to at least have it set up for me to be able to go so optimally, which means if you're town you gotta die today

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like kf you're town i will totally reassess and rebuild my worldview

I cannot do that while you're alive, I am making it abundantly clear that I cannot get past my scumread of you, if people choose to ignore that fine whatever but I am making my stance extremely clear here

[staypositivefriend]

no one is forcing you to vote for me. no one is forcing you to scumread me. no one is forcing you to commit to voting me in LYLO if we're both alive. this is a problem you are creating entirely for yourself which also means that the consequences of that problem are your responsibility

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have EXTREMELY FUCKING CLEAR that I cannot get past my scumread on you, if people choose to ignore that fine but I am being as absolutely clear as I can that I am absolutely not going to get there if you're town

[Lilypetal]

although you just think im a wolf so not much to talk abt

well, im willing to consider a world where we're T/T

who do u think the maf are in that world?

my gut says seanzie aro but like imo aro's discussion with porscha looked pretty good for him so idk

[Lilypetal]

also i will not blame nook tbh spf should've died last day phase

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

[staypositivefriend]

i'd like to propose that we kill lilypetal today

if lilypetal flips town it will mean that i am the worst scumhunter who has ever played a mafia game before and i will immediately self-vote in LYLO and accept the loss

you might think that i'm joking, but i totally mean it. i will gladly and willingly die tomorrow if we kill lily and we are still in LYLO

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

u were voting someone else?

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

u were voting someone else?

nah i havent voted yet today at all

[Lilypetal]

i'd like to propose that we kill lilypetal today

if lilypetal flips town it will mean that i am the worst scumhunter who has ever played a mafia game before and i will immediately self-vote in LYLO and accept the loss

you might think that i'm joking, but i totally mean it. i will gladly and willingly die tomorrow if we kill lily and we are still in LYLO

this is such a bad idea

[staypositivefriend]

why? u think that im mafia and i've agreed to die tomorrow if u flip town, so u get what u want from it

[Lilypetal]

why? u think that im mafia and i've agreed to die tomorrow if u flip town, so u get what u want from it

as someone who is trying to see u as town its awful

[staypositivefriend]

i mean i'm still open to you being town too but it feels like we're at an impasse because it seems like ur no longer interested in discussing the game with me and that you're set on me being a wolf, which in turn makes it more difficult for me to see you as town too

[Lilypetal]

i mean i'm still open to you being town too but it feels like we're at an impasse because it seems like ur no longer interested in discussing the game with me and that you're set on me being a wolf, which in turn makes it more difficult for me to see you as town too

why do you think this lol

[staypositivefriend]

i mean i'm still open to you being town too but it feels like we're at an impasse because it seems like ur no longer interested in discussing the game with me and that you're set on me being a wolf, which in turn makes it more difficult for me to see you as town too

why do you think this lol

it's just the vibe i've gotten from the way you've spoken about me today - seems like your mind is made up in a similar way that nook's is and that ur playing from the assumption that im going to flip today, which in turn makes me feel more paranoid about u and makes me feel like ur mafia trying to push through my miselimination

if u are actually town and u are actually trying to re-eval me then im sorry for misreading ur thought process entirely

[arogame123]

@staypositivefriend i pinged you earlier with a hypothetical question if Lily is town, who would u think the 2 mafia are? Or at this point are you saying you don’t see it?

[arogame123]

i mean i'm still open to you being town too but it feels like we're at an impasse because it seems like ur no longer interested in discussing the game with me and that you're set on me being a wolf, which in turn makes it more difficult for me to see you as town too

Ngl SPF, that seems a bit unfair when Lily did show just a little bit of wanting to see if ur town and you guys have been attacking and going at each other today, rather than attempting to discern if the other could possibly town.

So if you could ask my hypothetical question I posed earlier, that would be nice.

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend i pinged you earlier with a hypothetical question if Lily is town, who would u think the 2 mafia are? Or at this point are you saying you don’t see it?

hmmm

if me/lily are T/T then i think the specific worlds are probably either:

1. an exact team of seanzie/rondo who is just sitting back and watching us fall apart

2. i'm clearing nanook too easily and he is teamed with one of seanzie/rondo

this is because i think you and porscha are both hard town and i dont really think im going to get to a world where either of you are wolfing if you are

[staypositivefriend]

actually hm.....

[staypositivefriend]

does anyone have any immediate reasons to rule out seanzie/rondo as a team?

[staypositivefriend]

i mean i'm still open to you being town too but it feels like we're at an impasse because it seems like ur no longer interested in discussing the game with me and that you're set on me being a wolf, which in turn makes it more difficult for me to see you as town too

Ngl SPF, that seems a bit unfair when Lily did show just a little bit of wanting to see if ur town and you guys have been attacking and going at each other today, rather than attempting to discern if the other could possibly town.

So if you could ask my hypothetical question I posed earlier, that would be nice.

yeah idk i think maybe im being uncharitable to her and just caught up in being pushed by so many ppl today and finding it difficult to differentiate btwn who is doing it in a good faith and who is mafia with malicious intent

[staypositivefriend]

[VOTE: UNVITE] aubergine

[arogame123]

does anyone have any immediate reasons to rule out seanzie/rondo as a team?

I discussed earlier from an interaction I saw why I believed Seanzie/Rondo are not w/w. Maybe you can Lmk what u think of that.

[arogame123]

Same with you as well Lily if you have gotten the chance.