[Endgame] Masters of the Universe Mafia

[Tangrowth]

RIP Orson & Llama.

thellama73 and Orsonkidd - you will be avenged

Congrats on passing your exam, MP! sorry about your Durango, Epi

Considering Dom somehow managed to escape a lynch, and the post regarding Orson implicates Snake Mountain, I think we can safely deduce that Dom is, indeed, Snake Mountain - unless it was done to rid themselves of a troublesome civvie and ensure another day of looking at Dom

I need to drink my coffee and wait for my eyeballs to wake up properly back with more thoughts a bit later.

I'm thinking the same thing you are about Dom/Snake Mountain. I think it would be fine to lynch Dom again today... unless we can come up with another option from the other team.

Speaking of which...
LT, if I may ask you a question (to further my deductions & understanding here) - What are your thoughts on MoPi? Because from where I stand, just through the power of deduction, I do not see where he fits into the civ side of the puzzle this game.

What would make you ask this question?

[Snow Dog]

Also, another thing I want to add is now that we know Orson's role, I think taking a closer look at Snow Dog and Kate who orson called out yesterday might be a good idea. I have flip-flopped on my feelings about Snow Dog all game long. Early on I felt like for a first time player he was really on the ball, yet he asked a lot of noob questions. Then I wondered if he was asking a lot of questions in thread to pull the wool over our eyes. I'm not sure but I will be looking back at him and Kate as well as those I mentioned previously.

It does not work, and in my view. I don't know what it is.

[LittleTiger]

MP - I have thought Kate seemed civvie all game. Really, the only strike against her, so far, was Roxy voting her for the shield which I dismissed as being a friend thing plus a baddie Roxy not wanting to stick out with a vote for a team mate.

Indiglo - I cannot say for sure about MP. He has caught my eye a few times, and then he seems super civvie a lot of the time - BUT in all honesty, after the HV game, I will never ever trust him again! I have been watching him closely for that very reason.

FH - I agree 100% about Snow Dog.

Did anyone get a screen cap of the lynch poll? I missed the last few votes on my spreadsheet....

[Kate]

I don't know what was lynched in protecting bad people and apathy.

[Kate]

He wants to fight, I don't see people, even when viewed though the message Tilsol why my questions.

[Flyin' High]

Did anyone get a screen cap of the lynch poll? I missed the last few votes on my spreadsheet....

Give me a minute and I'll post the voting order.

[DFaraday]

RIP Orson and llama. That is unfortunate.

I agree that it seems obvious Dom is bad, but I think we need to discuss others as well. Not sure which way we should vote just yet.

There is still the matter of: (1) the fact that BF/indiglo/juliets or some combination of them obviously seemed to have some sort of info about He-Man, but are they civvie or baddie is the real question; (2) is timmer indeed Zodac or is he Modulok and how has he escaped lynch for so long, if so; and (3) all of the low-posters and no shows (except for probably Aces). I feel like those are the main questions in my mind currently, Dom not withstanding. I would love to catch a baddie today regardless, but I think what I really want to catch is a Horde member because they are definitely scaring me much more at the moment.

I might go back and look at BWT's posts some more to see if I can come up with anything. I do remember he was one of the ones that went hard after timmer, but then switched his thoughts to timmer being indy when the tide of the thread changed, as many of us did. I'm really wondering if that's where we are getting hoodwinked. That being said, I'd still really like to believe timmer is Zodac or at least one of the indies.

Thoughts, anyone, on any of these 3 topics? I feel like people fell into the Dom lynch yesterday and many of the things I (and others) brought up particularly in my posts on low posters weren't discussed to their full potential, so I'd rather discuss those today so we can try and figure out what's going on, instead of falling in line to another slew of posts that just say "votes Dom".

Regarding Indi/BF/Juliets, if they had info on He-Man , it stands to reason they aren't Snake Mountain at least. I don't have much read on Indi or Juliets, but BF is still giving me civvie vibes. If they are a team, maybe they're the Etherians?

And yeah, Orson (RIP) seemingly dying at the hands of Snake Mountain makes Dom look even worse, imo. But I really don't know about Timmer. I've been inclined to think he's indy, but we dshouldn't let him fall off the radar completely.

EBWOP: And I think MP is civvie too.

[Flyin' High]

Day 7 Voting Order:
1. MovingPictures (DFaraday)
2. thellama (Dom)
3. spaghetti (Dom)
4. DFaraday (Dom)
5. Elohcin (Dom)
6. LittleTiger (Dom)
7. Juliets (Dom)
8. Flyin' High (Dom)
9. Kate (Dom)
10. reywaS (Dom)
11. blindfaeth (Dom)
12. Snow Dog (Dom)
13. Stormcrow (Dom)
14. DisgruntledPorcupine (Dom)
15. orsonkidd (Dom)
Didn't vote: AceofSpaces, DharmaHelper, Dom, indiglo, Ishar Morrad Chuain, The_untamed, and Timmer

[Snow Dog]

MP - I have thought Kate seemed civvie all game. Really, the only strike against her, so far, was Roxy voting her for the shield which I dismissed as being a friend thing plus a baddie Roxy not wanting to stick out with a vote for a team mate.

Indiglo - I cannot say for sure about MP. He has caught my eye a few times, and then he seems super civvie a lot of the time - BUT in all honesty, after the HV game, I will never ever trust him again! I have been watching him closely for that very reason.

FH - I agree 100% about Snow Dog.

Did anyone get a screen cap of the lynch poll? I missed the last few votes on my spreadsheet....

n the future. Innocent people, if you do not understand

[Tangrowth]

MP - I have thought Kate seemed civvie all game. Really, the only strike against her, so far, was Roxy voting her for the shield which I dismissed as being a friend thing plus a baddie Roxy not wanting to stick out with a vote for a team mate.

Indiglo - I cannot say for sure about MP. He has caught my eye a few times, and then he seems super civvie a lot of the time - BUT in all honesty, after the HV game, I will never ever trust him again! I have been watching him closely for that very reason.

FH - I agree 100% about Snow Dog.

Did anyone get a screen cap of the lynch poll? I missed the last few votes on my spreadsheet....

Yeah, I agree with that being the only strike with Kate. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page there because I have wondered about her a bit, but less lately.

Also, LOL, that game was a lot of fun! And I know saying I'm a civvie isn't proof but I believe my behavior in this game demonstrates my alignment is in stark contrast with what it was in that one. That, and lest we forget I was saying BWT looked bad since very early in the game and I survived a Snake Mountain kill on Night 1. Has indiglo? No. That doesn't make her bad, but I find it weird she would ask that.

Can I get a summary of what people see with Snow Dog? Maybe I'll look at his posts later tonight as well as BWT's. He's just been reading civvie to me for quite a long time and I don't think orson going after him makes sense unless Snow Dog indeed was bad and did kill on Nights 1 and 2 and I'm just misremembering how long orson has been going after him. I'll look back at orson's posts too.

[Kate]

RIP Orson and llama. That is unfortunate.

I agree that it seems obvious Dom is bad, but I think we need to discuss others as well. Not sure which way we should vote just yet.

There is still the matter of: (1) the fact that BF/indiglo/juliets or some combination of them obviously seemed to have some sort of info about He-Man, but are they civvie or baddie is the real question; (2) is timmer indeed Zodac or is he Modulok and how has he escaped lynch for so long, if so; and (3) all of the low-posters and no shows (except for probably Aces). I feel like those are the main questions in my mind currently, Dom not withstanding. I would love to catch a baddie today regardless, but I think what I really want to catch is a Horde member because they are definitely scaring me much more at the moment.

I might go back and look at BWT's posts some more to see if I can come up with anything. I do remember he was one of the ones that went hard after timmer, but then switched his thoughts to timmer being indy when the tide of the thread changed, as many of us did. I'm really wondering if that's where we are getting hoodwinked. That being said, I'd still really like to believe timmer is Zodac or at least one of the indies.

Thoughts, anyone, on any of these 3 topics? I feel like people fell into the Dom lynch yesterday and many of the things I (and others) brought up particularly in my posts on low posters weren't discussed to their full potential, so I'd rather discuss those today so we can try and figure out what's going on, instead of falling in line to another slew of posts that just say "votes Dom".

Regarding Indi/BF/Juliets, if they had info on He-Man , it stands to reason they aren't Snake Mountain at least. I don't have much read on Indi or Juliets, but BF is still giving me civvie vibes. If they are a team, maybe they're the Etherians?

And yeah, Orson (RIP) seemingly dying at the hands of Snake Mountain makes Dom look even worse, imo. But I really don't know about Timmer. I've been inclined to think he's indy, but we dshouldn't let him fall off the radar completely.

EBWOP: And I think MP is civvie too.

He could not believe Etherian?

[Tangrowth]

RIP Orson and llama. That is unfortunate.

I agree that it seems obvious Dom is bad, but I think we need to discuss others as well. Not sure which way we should vote just yet.

There is still the matter of: (1) the fact that BF/indiglo/juliets or some combination of them obviously seemed to have some sort of info about He-Man, but are they civvie or baddie is the real question; (2) is timmer indeed Zodac or is he Modulok and how has he escaped lynch for so long, if so; and (3) all of the low-posters and no shows (except for probably Aces). I feel like those are the main questions in my mind currently, Dom not withstanding. I would love to catch a baddie today regardless, but I think what I really want to catch is a Horde member because they are definitely scaring me much more at the moment.

I might go back and look at BWT's posts some more to see if I can come up with anything. I do remember he was one of the ones that went hard after timmer, but then switched his thoughts to timmer being indy when the tide of the thread changed, as many of us did. I'm really wondering if that's where we are getting hoodwinked. That being said, I'd still really like to believe timmer is Zodac or at least one of the indies.

Thoughts, anyone, on any of these 3 topics? I feel like people fell into the Dom lynch yesterday and many of the things I (and others) brought up particularly in my posts on low posters weren't discussed to their full potential, so I'd rather discuss those today so we can try and figure out what's going on, instead of falling in line to another slew of posts that just say "votes Dom".

Regarding Indi/BF/Juliets, if they had info on He-Man , it stands to reason they aren't Snake Mountain at least. I don't have much read on Indi or Juliets, but BF is still giving me civvie vibes. If they are a team, maybe they're the Etherians?

And yeah, Orson (RIP) seemingly dying at the hands of Snake Mountain makes Dom look even worse, imo. But I really don't know about Timmer. I've been inclined to think he's indy, but we dshouldn't let him fall off the radar completely.

EBWOP: And I think MP is civvie too.

This is exactly my train of thought. Indi is not reading super civvie to me, juliets I'm really just not sure, and BF still seems civvie but IDK. I keep wondering if any or all could be Horde, but what's holding me back is that chance, and while I didn't state that directly because I didn't want to put too big of a target on them, that's the pairing of BTSC that I've had in mind.

If it's not that, then it can't be anything else civvie by process of elimination I would think. But how would they know He-Man was Snake Mountain in that case, I guess unless BF's staff gave them info? I suppose I'm just a bit paranoid about it because there are still many Horde members left and I have many civvie roles already matched as a likely or complete match to players, so unless I have some of those wrong, there's still that voice in the back of my head wondering.

[Tangrowth]

RIP Orson and llama. That is unfortunate.

I agree that it seems obvious Dom is bad, but I think we need to discuss others as well. Not sure which way we should vote just yet.

There is still the matter of: (1) the fact that BF/indiglo/juliets or some combination of them obviously seemed to have some sort of info about He-Man, but are they civvie or baddie is the real question; (2) is timmer indeed Zodac or is he Modulok and how has he escaped lynch for so long, if so; and (3) all of the low-posters and no shows (except for probably Aces). I feel like those are the main questions in my mind currently, Dom not withstanding. I would love to catch a baddie today regardless, but I think what I really want to catch is a Horde member because they are definitely scaring me much more at the moment.

I might go back and look at BWT's posts some more to see if I can come up with anything. I do remember he was one of the ones that went hard after timmer, but then switched his thoughts to timmer being indy when the tide of the thread changed, as many of us did. I'm really wondering if that's where we are getting hoodwinked. That being said, I'd still really like to believe timmer is Zodac or at least one of the indies.

Thoughts, anyone, on any of these 3 topics? I feel like people fell into the Dom lynch yesterday and many of the things I (and others) brought up particularly in my posts on low posters weren't discussed to their full potential, so I'd rather discuss those today so we can try and figure out what's going on, instead of falling in line to another slew of posts that just say "votes Dom".

Regarding Indi/BF/Juliets, if they had info on He-Man , it stands to reason they aren't Snake Mountain at least. I don't have much read on Indi or Juliets, but BF is still giving me civvie vibes. If they are a team, maybe they're the Etherians?

And yeah, Orson (RIP) seemingly dying at the hands of Snake Mountain makes Dom look even worse, imo. But I really don't know about Timmer. I've been inclined to think he's indy, but we dshouldn't let him fall off the radar completely.

EBWOP: And I think MP is civvie too.

He could not believe Etherian?

What are you saying here, Kate, was this sentence scrambled at all?

[Kate]

RIP Orson and llama. That is unfortunate.

I agree that it seems obvious Dom is bad, but I think we need to discuss others as well. Not sure which way we should vote just yet.

There is still the matter of: (1) the fact that BF/indiglo/juliets or some combination of them obviously seemed to have some sort of info about He-Man, but are they civvie or baddie is the real question; (2) is timmer indeed Zodac or is he Modulok and how has he escaped lynch for so long, if so; and (3) all of the low-posters and no shows (except for probably Aces). I feel like those are the main questions in my mind currently, Dom not withstanding. I would love to catch a baddie today regardless, but I think what I really want to catch is a Horde member because they are definitely scaring me much more at the moment.

I might go back and look at BWT's posts some more to see if I can come up with anything. I do remember he was one of the ones that went hard after timmer, but then switched his thoughts to timmer being indy when the tide of the thread changed, as many of us did. I'm really wondering if that's where we are getting hoodwinked. That being said, I'd still really like to believe timmer is Zodac or at least one of the indies.

Thoughts, anyone, on any of these 3 topics? I feel like people fell into the Dom lynch yesterday and many of the things I (and others) brought up particularly in my posts on low posters weren't discussed to their full potential, so I'd rather discuss those today so we can try and figure out what's going on, instead of falling in line to another slew of posts that just say "votes Dom".

Regarding Indi/BF/Juliets, if they had info on He-Man , it stands to reason they aren't Snake Mountain at least. I don't have much read on Indi or Juliets, but BF is still giving me civvie vibes. If they are a team, maybe they're the Etherians?

And yeah, Orson (RIP) seemingly dying at the hands of Snake Mountain makes Dom look even worse, imo. But I really don't know about Timmer. I've been inclined to think he's indy, but we dshouldn't let him fall off the radar completely.

EBWOP: And I think MP is civvie too.

He could not believe Etherian?

What are you saying here, Kate, was this sentence scrambled at all?

You want to say, but you can't and atrian.

[Flyin' High]

@MP: I have been leaning towards trusting you for most of the game, but like LT have had that constant awareness of how good you are at making things appear one way when they are truly another.

I am a little uncomfortable by the fact that all of the people I listed as suspects (who I think could be on the Horde) you've said you've mostly leaned civvie on. That coupled with the fact that despite there being simple explanations for certain people's behaviors based on the roles, you are coming up with complicated WIFOM-filled ideas for why people might be on the Horde.

I am beginning to think you're purposefully ignoring stuff in the roles.

[Kate]

Distributor.

[DharmaHelper]

RIP Folks. I have fully accepted my role as a lame duck sideline cheerleader.

[indiglo]

Speaking of which...
LT, if I may ask you a question (to further my deductions & understanding here) - What are your thoughts on MoPi? Because from where I stand, just through the power of deduction, I do not see where he fits into the civ side of the puzzle this game.

What would make you ask this question?

Your game isn't sitting right. I've noticed similar things to FH in your game. You're not taking into account all possibilities, you're twisting events, creating wild scenarios on giant "what-ifs". You talked/complained about "not having found any Horde members", yet last lynch you only looked at low posters, and repeatedly posited the theory that all Horde members can be found in the low posters - because all the big time posters (including yourself) are clearly civ. It's not sitting right.

Your reaction to my question to LT about you... it doesn't feel right. Doesn't feel genuine.

And I am well aware what a good liar you are, since we were mafia together last game. I also know you're not above talking up/accusing/suspecting a teammate from Day 1 in a game.

[Tangrowth]

@MP: I have been leaning towards trusting you for most of the game, but like LT have had that constant awareness of how good you are at making things appear one way when they are truly another.

I am a little uncomfortable by the fact that all of the people I listed as suspects (who I think could be on the Horde) you've said you've mostly leaned civvie on. That coupled with the fact that despite there being simple explanations for certain people's behaviors based on the roles, you are coming up with complicated WIFOM-filled ideas for why people might be on the Horde.

I am beginning to think you're purposefully ignoring stuff in the roles.

You think Kate could be Horde? I don't know, I mean, I guess it's a possibility but I highly doubt it. I think you're ignoring something with her, not me.

As with Snow Dog, my gut has been telling me civvie all game. What makes you think he's Horde?

Purposefully ignoring stuff? Did you not see my argument how we've had two failed kills, one on Night 1 and one on Night 2, are you saying you think Kate or Snow Dog executed one of those? Because that does not make sense to me at all. Orson was not gunning against either of them until just very recently. If I were him and I blocked a killer, I would have gunned against them right away. Watch, I'll even pull his posts after I read through EVERY single one of them.

Im not a fan of the threat post and as kate (iirc) said, timmers earlier post "reeked" of a baddie ( fwiw i like the term baddie/civvie ) who was trying to deflect brfore being accused.
that said, snow dog is playing sorta noob civvie imo, asking questions and at least trying to participate....as we know posting is often a way to be picked out for something someone thought you meant when you meant no such thing...otherwiswe there would be no game....same for low posters...not posting is just as suspish as posting, sometimes.
MP is giving me civvie vibes, but i have my eye out for him anyways as he's trixsy...(and I don't like RUSH, j/k) (not really) ;p
tbh this is a very hard game to grasp right now w/ so many variables and exp players, i must remain cautious.

His first mention of Snow Dog. He thinks he's noob civvie.

thanks. on LP where i learned mafia there was a multi quote button....i thought there might be something like that here....but the copy paste thingy will work too.....im not really that functional on these things tbh...;p

and snowdog, no one likes a smart ass krypto lookin doggy, k? j/k.

This is the FIRST time Orson mentions either Snow Dog on Night 4 after that previous post. And it appears to be a joke.

im at work and have to vote quick.

im voting snow dog.

some stuff just doesn't feel right.

timmer and he man are also on the radar, but snow dog seems less and less civvie imo.

votes.

This is the first time he mentions Snow Dog as suspicious. On Day 6. Absolutely out of the blue, still hasn't mentioned Kate or Snow Dog before that. And he votes Snow Dog again on Day 7. Which made me think he was hexed at the time, personally. He didn't even mention Kate until just recently, and we haven't had any failed kills recently, correct?

You're certainly riding a tide against me, nice try, but I'm not a baddie. That's very unlike you, especially to go out and say I'm "ignoring stuff" in the roles. Because it seems to me that's what you're doing, not me. I had the same exact thought as you did when I saw Orson was a blocker, trust me, but it appears he did not block either of the first two kills. If he did, for some reason he didn't go after these people for a long time, which makes no sense to me.

You don't believe me? Read through his posts yourself. There aren't that many.

[Tangrowth]

Speaking of which...
LT, if I may ask you a question (to further my deductions & understanding here) - What are your thoughts on MoPi? Because from where I stand, just through the power of deduction, I do not see where he fits into the civ side of the puzzle this game.

What would make you ask this question?

Your game isn't sitting right. I've noticed similar things to FH in your game. You're not taking into account all possibilities, you're twisting events, creating wild scenarios on giant "what-ifs". You talked/complained about "not having found any Horde members", yet last lynch you only looked at low posters, and repeatedly posited the theory that all Horde members can be found in the low posters - because all the big time posters (including yourself) are clearly civ. It's not sitting right.

Your reaction to my question to LT about you... it doesn't feel right. Doesn't feel genuine.

And I am well aware what a good liar you are, since we were mafia together last game. I also know you're not above talking up/accusing/suspecting a teammate from Day 1 in a game.

How is it not sitting right? Of everyone here I think I should look more civvie than most. I AM taking into account all possibilities, that's exactly why I threw out that giant theory that you COULD be Horde but that you also could have BTSC. I am not twisting anything at all, I am considering everything like I always do as a civvie. You're either a Horde trying to get me lynched today or you are a civvie and just plain wrong.

I didn't say ALL big time posters are clearly civ. But I know I am and I strongly think Snow Dog is and that the push against him seems wrong to me. Lest we forget He-Man was a big poster and I thought he could be bad. You, BF, and juliets are higher up on the list and I've considered that you guys could be bad. I think we seriously have a Horde member or two in the low posters. Are you saying we shouldn't be looking that way? How can we know any of these people are civvie or not, should we just ignore them? Are you telling me with confidence that you think Ishar, the_untamed, SE, Stormcrow, and DFaraday are all civvie, or that any of them are? Because I've asked people for their reads on those players and you haven't given me those.

Can you please take my behavior THIS game and not consider other games? I hate that argument, people always say I'm this amazing liar and it always seems to come out as a huge suspicion at some point every game I am a civvie.

[Tangrowth]

I am sick of people trying to twist MY words, to be honest.

[Tangrowth]

Also, sorry for the quadruple post, but Indi, you said last lynch I looked at ONLY low posters. Uh, are you kidding me?

[LittleTiger]

Oh man, they must not be using the normal insanifier I've had to use in the past. This insanifier is MUCH funnier! Although, last time I was insanified it kept spitting out "idiot of the day". LOL


Kate is trying to tell us something about Stinkor, it would appear. I looked him/it up on the wiki, and got this:

Stinkor
Stinkor is an anthropomorphic skunk with magical control over his own stench.[12] His action figure used the same mold as Mer-Man, wore the same mold of armor as Mekaneck, and actually smelled of patchouli oil, one of only three scented toys Mattel produced (the others being Moss Man and also Perfuma from the She-Ra line).

In the 2002 version, Stinkor was once a Paeleezean named Odiphus who was mutated by an explosion he caused while meddling in Tri-Klops' lab. The mutations caused the furry creature to grow taller, muscular, and to be able to speak in a humanoid manner. His stench is so awful that a special armored suit was created for him to keep the smell as under control as possible. Some stink still escapes the suit, causing Skeletor and the other evil warriors to cover their noses and to treat Stinkor politely in order to get him out of the room as efficiently as possible. Stinkor's stench especially adversely affects the dragons of Eternia. The Sorceress tells that, in the time of the Great Unrest, Odiphus betrayed his people to an evil warlord named Prahvus. Upon the warlord's defeat by the Sorceress, Odiphus was captured and about to be executed. The Sorceress intervened and Odiphus' life was spared, although he was exiled and retains a grudge. He is seen in the Eternian prison earlier in the series, although he is not named at that time. Stinkor was never used in the 80s cartoon because the idea of using him was ridiculed since his smell would give the bad guys away to the good guys.

Stinkor is voiced by Brian Drummond in the 2002 series.



And here's a bit more from the He-Man wiki:

Stinkor is a fictional character, a villain from the Masters of the Universe franchise. Labeled the "Evil Master of Odors," Stinkor is essentially a humanoid skunk whose superpower is the ability to release a toxic odor from his body that renders foes immobile.

1985

Stinkor was first introduced in 1985 as an action figure from the He-Man and the Masters of the Universe toyline and came packaged with a mini-comic titled The Stench of Evil. The Stinkor action figure had a semi-foul scent, giving it the distinction of being one of the few toys whose "action feature" is an odor, the heroic counterpart Moss Man being one of the few others. The Stinkor action figure was created by Mattel by re-using the mold of another villain in the Masters of the Universe line, Mer-Man. The only differences between the Mer-Man and Stinkor action figures are that Stinkor is painted black and white, has different chest armor, recycled from the Mekaneck figure, a shield (recycled from the set of weapons that came with Castle Grayskull) rather than a sword and is chemically treated to smell musky. The unique scent was achieved by mixing the plastic used in the mold with patchouli oil. It was done this way, instead of being sprayed or coated, to prevent the smell from wearing off over time. Many toy collectors mention that, even 20 years after its original purchase, the Stinkor toy still retains its smell.
Stinkor was presented to Lou Scheimer and other staff at Filmation for inclusion in the original She-Ra: Princess of Power cartoon series as a member of the Evil Horde, but his questionable superpower kept him from ever making an appearance on television. According to Filmation staff, when the description of Stinkor was read out at a meeting of the story editors, all of them burst out laughing at the idea of a character who was "a walking fart joke" and vowed never to use Stinkor in any episode script[1].

However, the series bible for Scheimer's sequel series "He-Ro Son of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" mentions a character by the name of Odar whose power was identical to Stinkor's. Unfortunately for this character, this series was never made.

Stink Beam

The 2002 version of the He-Man cartoon, Stinkor's origin is finally revealed, marking the first time the character appears on television. Stinkor was originally a common thief named Odiphus and resembled a large house cat. A chemical accident mutated Odiphus into Stinkor and gave him his horrible stench. Stinkor himself is not immune to his own stench, and must wear an oxygen mask to breathe properly. Stinkor eventually incorporates into his breathing apparatus a way to control his stench into focused blasts and eagerly teams up with Skeletor against He-Man and the other Masters. Although Stinkor failed in his initial attack on He-Man, Skeletor was sufficiently impressed at his usefulness to not only recruit him, but also to exempt him from punitive duty imposed on Skeletor's other followers.
In the show's second season, the episode "Out of the Past" reveals further background to Stinkor's character. In a flashback sequence we see Odiphus as a young boy, and it is revealed he is from a race of creatures called the Paleezeans, who populate a small village. Odiphus had desired to be a criminal ever since his childhood, and as a child betrayed his people by telling the invading warlord Prahvus where the Paleezeans kept their weapons. Unfortunately for both of them, the Sorceress happened to be in the town, caring for an injured soldier.
Odiphus/Stinkor is voiced by Brian Drummond.

2005
In December 2005, NECA released a mini-statue of Stinkor[2] along with Grizzlor and Clamp Champ. Designed by the Four Horsemen Studios and sold by NECA, the statue is designed to the same dimensions of the rest of the figures from the new Masters of the Universe line, although it cannot be posed. A small figurine of Odiphus was also intended to be included in the package, but was not released until 2007's Series 6, with Jitsu.[3]

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So, Stinkor is aligned with Skeletor, and was the little kitty cat we saw earlier at the pub. (Odiphus)

I wanted to bring this back up because I am curious as to why Dom, Snow Dog and Kate, in particular, were the chosen stinkies.

From this info, we know that Skeletor controls Stinkor, perhaps using it leaves a bit of a stench on the controller of Stinkor? Supposing all three are bad? Or maybe one of them is actually Snake Mountain, one is Horde and one is civvie? Or..... what?

[Tangrowth]

I wanted to bring this back up because I am curious as to why Dom, Snow Dog and Kate, in particular, were the chosen stinkies.

From this info, we know that Skeletor controls Stinkor, perhaps using it leaves a bit of a stench on the controller of Stinkor? Supposing all three are bad? Or maybe one of them is actually Snake Mountain, one is Horde and one is civvie? Or..... what?

That's a good question. Dom definitely seems Snake Mountain. I was initially thinking it was random, but maybe Snake Mountain got to choose who to stink?

[Tangrowth]

You know, what if it's like that Slime Pit thing with DH? That definitely seemed like a Horde puppet kind of thing, what if Stinkor does something with these three? I can't imagine it's exactly the same especially since it's three people versus one previous. And then if Snake Mountain could choose and that was the case, why would they choose one of their own, so I don't know.

[Snow Dog]

You know, what if it's like that Slime Pit thing with DH? That definitely seemed like a Horde puppet kind of thing, what if Stinkor does something with these three? I can't imagine it's exactly the same especially since it's three people versus one previous. And then if Snake Mountain could choose and that was the case, why would they choose one of their own, so I don't know.

This Guy has a real snake!

[LittleTiger]

Also, MP - are you defending Snow Dog? Just want to be sure I am getting the right impression from your posts...

[Kate]

Oh man, they must not be using the normal insanifier I've had to use in the past. This insanifier is MUCH funnier! Although, last time I was insanified it kept spitting out "idiot of the day". LOL


Kate is trying to tell us something about Stinkor, it would appear. I looked him/it up on the wiki, and got this:

Stinkor
Stinkor is an anthropomorphic skunk with magical control over his own stench.[12] His action figure used the same mold as Mer-Man, wore the same mold of armor as Mekaneck, and actually smelled of patchouli oil, one of only three scented toys Mattel produced (the others being Moss Man and also Perfuma from the She-Ra line).

In the 2002 version, Stinkor was once a Paeleezean named Odiphus who was mutated by an explosion he caused while meddling in Tri-Klops' lab. The mutations caused the furry creature to grow taller, muscular, and to be able to speak in a humanoid manner. His stench is so awful that a special armored suit was created for him to keep the smell as under control as possible. Some stink still escapes the suit, causing Skeletor and the other evil warriors to cover their noses and to treat Stinkor politely in order to get him out of the room as efficiently as possible. Stinkor's stench especially adversely affects the dragons of Eternia. The Sorceress tells that, in the time of the Great Unrest, Odiphus betrayed his people to an evil warlord named Prahvus. Upon the warlord's defeat by the Sorceress, Odiphus was captured and about to be executed. The Sorceress intervened and Odiphus' life was spared, although he was exiled and retains a grudge. He is seen in the Eternian prison earlier in the series, although he is not named at that time. Stinkor was never used in the 80s cartoon because the idea of using him was ridiculed since his smell would give the bad guys away to the good guys.

Stinkor is voiced by Brian Drummond in the 2002 series.



And here's a bit more from the He-Man wiki:

Stinkor is a fictional character, a villain from the Masters of the Universe franchise. Labeled the "Evil Master of Odors," Stinkor is essentially a humanoid skunk whose superpower is the ability to release a toxic odor from his body that renders foes immobile.

1985

Stinkor was first introduced in 1985 as an action figure from the He-Man and the Masters of the Universe toyline and came packaged with a mini-comic titled The Stench of Evil. The Stinkor action figure had a semi-foul scent, giving it the distinction of being one of the few toys whose "action feature" is an odor, the heroic counterpart Moss Man being one of the few others. The Stinkor action figure was created by Mattel by re-using the mold of another villain in the Masters of the Universe line, Mer-Man. The only differences between the Mer-Man and Stinkor action figures are that Stinkor is painted black and white, has different chest armor, recycled from the Mekaneck figure, a shield (recycled from the set of weapons that came with Castle Grayskull) rather than a sword and is chemically treated to smell musky. The unique scent was achieved by mixing the plastic used in the mold with patchouli oil. It was done this way, instead of being sprayed or coated, to prevent the smell from wearing off over time. Many toy collectors mention that, even 20 years after its original purchase, the Stinkor toy still retains its smell.
Stinkor was presented to Lou Scheimer and other staff at Filmation for inclusion in the original She-Ra: Princess of Power cartoon series as a member of the Evil Horde, but his questionable superpower kept him from ever making an appearance on television. According to Filmation staff, when the description of Stinkor was read out at a meeting of the story editors, all of them burst out laughing at the idea of a character who was "a walking fart joke" and vowed never to use Stinkor in any episode script[1].

However, the series bible for Scheimer's sequel series "He-Ro Son of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" mentions a character by the name of Odar whose power was identical to Stinkor's. Unfortunately for this character, this series was never made.

Stink Beam

The 2002 version of the He-Man cartoon, Stinkor's origin is finally revealed, marking the first time the character appears on television. Stinkor was originally a common thief named Odiphus and resembled a large house cat. A chemical accident mutated Odiphus into Stinkor and gave him his horrible stench. Stinkor himself is not immune to his own stench, and must wear an oxygen mask to breathe properly. Stinkor eventually incorporates into his breathing apparatus a way to control his stench into focused blasts and eagerly teams up with Skeletor against He-Man and the other Masters. Although Stinkor failed in his initial attack on He-Man, Skeletor was sufficiently impressed at his usefulness to not only recruit him, but also to exempt him from punitive duty imposed on Skeletor's other followers.
In the show's second season, the episode "Out of the Past" reveals further background to Stinkor's character. In a flashback sequence we see Odiphus as a young boy, and it is revealed he is from a race of creatures called the Paleezeans, who populate a small village. Odiphus had desired to be a criminal ever since his childhood, and as a child betrayed his people by telling the invading warlord Prahvus where the Paleezeans kept their weapons. Unfortunately for both of them, the Sorceress happened to be in the town, caring for an injured soldier.
Odiphus/Stinkor is voiced by Brian Drummond.

2005
In December 2005, NECA released a mini-statue of Stinkor[2] along with Grizzlor and Clamp Champ. Designed by the Four Horsemen Studios and sold by NECA, the statue is designed to the same dimensions of the rest of the figures from the new Masters of the Universe line, although it cannot be posed. A small figurine of Odiphus was also intended to be included in the package, but was not released until 2007's Series 6, with Jitsu.[3]

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So, Stinkor is aligned with Skeletor, and was the little kitty cat we saw earlier at the pub. (Odiphus)

I wanted to bring this back up because I am curious as to why Dom, Snow Dog and Kate, in particular, were the chosen stinkies.

From this info, we know that Skeletor controls Stinkor, perhaps using it leaves a bit of a stench on the controller of Stinkor? Supposing all three are bad? Or maybe one of them is actually Snake Mountain, one is Horde and one is civvie? Or..... what?

No, if I was sitting in Fowl from audi is not for me.

[Kate]

Once again. The House is often the forgotten young Linz I don't.

[Flyin' High]

@MP: Of those I mentioned, I am least suspicious of Kate at the moment and only mentioned her because Orson did. I mentioned other people than just Snow Dog and Kate.

[Kate]

Prostitutes are $ 3

[Snow Dog]

Prostitutes are $ 3

[Epignosis]

Prostitutes are $ 3

Kate, there really are better career options for a woman of your intellect and skill than that of a Madam.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

[Tangrowth]

Also, MP - are you defending Snow Dog? Just want to be sure I am getting the right impression from your posts...

Yes, I am defending him. If Snow Dog is baddie this game, I will eat a hat (or gladly sig bet anyone on it). To clarify, I have a specific role pegged for him and I would be very surprised if he was not this such role. This is in combination with the fact that, knowing him quite well as I've conversed with him over at PA, that I would highly doubt he would be behaving and posting the way he is if he had baddie BTSC. The moves in his direction this game have been consistently pinging me because they have struck me as opportunistic or misguided, and I have been trying to indicate that all game.

I will support a lynch of nearly anyone else in this game other than him, so naturally he will not be getting my vote today or anytime in the near future.

@MP: Of those I mentioned, I am least suspicious of Kate at the moment and only mentioned her because Orson did. I mentioned other people than just Snow Dog and Kate.

I see what you're saying now; I thought you were only referring to your post where you mentioned Kate and Snow Dog, not my response about reywaS and Stormcrow as well. I have been leaning civvie on reywaS just from my gut, I don't have him pegged 100% as a civvie (or even anything above 75% or so, for that matter --- if 50% is I don't know, 0% is BADDIE FOR SURE and 100% is CIVVIE FOR SURE, if that makes sense). Same with Stormcrow, to a lesser extent, she is like 51%. I realize the percentages are arbitrary but you get my point; it's all a game of balancing thread behavior, circumstantial evidence, process of elimination, and gut. I've been trying to use the spreadsheet this game because I feel it better helps me keep track of all of that when I have done it versus many of my last games where I haven't and I feel in those it was harder to pinpoint.

If you factor in the assumption that BF/juliets/indiglo are all Etherians as well as a few other seemingly more obvious player assumptions, then yes, if every player I am leaning civvie on at this very moment was actually a civvie, it would mean I have too many civvie players, I am aware of that. This is why I said I've been leaning civvie in cases where I have been and baddie in cases where I'm leaning baddie, and I'm more than willing to admit I'm probably wrong on some of these. It's also why I'm trying to get discussion going on the low posters as well as timmer and BF/indiglo/juliets because those are probably the three areas I'm most unsure about. In fact, I do think the fact that I've been leaning civvie on DFaraday for so long, as I mentioned yesterday, is incorrect. I do still believe this.

I would say I am much more confident in Kate and Snow Dog being civvie than reywaS and Stormcrow, if that helps, and that I feel that they are most likely civvie to least likely civvie in this order: Snow Dog -- Kate -- reywaS -- Stormcrow. In fact, I'm really thinking when I get home tonight I need to re-read some players in addition to BWT and see what I need to change on my spreadsheet, if anything.

[Tangrowth]

LT, I must ask, given your previous level of confidence in He-Man and then the fact that he flipped baddie, how did that level of confidence compare to your confidence about timmer being Zodac? This same question goes to anyone who feels strongly timmer is Zodac.

And another question for you, who do you think are our best sources for Horde today? Of course, this question also goes for EVERYONE.

Because if you combine what seem to be all the correct vouchings and assumptions by players in this game, as well as what seem to be the most logical deductions, this means at least probably three or four of my nebulous groups consisting of timmer + no-shows/low posters (SE, DFaraday, Dom, Stormcrow, Aces, The-untamed, Ishar) + three amigos/amigettes (BF, juliets, indiglo) almost HAVE to be baddie. Out of those low posters, I'm doubting Aces and SE most, Aces because he was NKed on Night 2 (although the WIFOm factor keeps me from not considering him at all), and SE based on thread behavior/gut. I keep wanting to think the group of three are all civvie as well, and they could be, but it means there's little wiggle room unless there's been some serious vouching manipulation going on around here.

[LittleTiger]

Also, MP - are you defending Snow Dog? Just want to be sure I am getting the right impression from your posts...

Yes, I am defending him. If Snow Dog is baddie this game, I will eat a hat (or gladly sig bet anyone on it). To clarify, I have a specific role pegged for him and I would be very surprised if he was not this such role. This is in combination with the fact that, knowing him quite well as I've conversed with him over at PA, that I would highly doubt he would be behaving and posting the way he is if he had baddie BTSC. The moves in his direction this game have been consistently pinging me because they have struck me as opportunistic or misguided, and I have been trying to indicate that all game.

I will support a lynch of nearly anyone else in this game other than him, so naturally he will not be getting my vote today or anytime in the near future.

@MP: Of those I mentioned, I am least suspicious of Kate at the moment and only mentioned her because Orson did. I mentioned other people than just Snow Dog and Kate.

I see what you're saying now; I thought you were only referring to your post where you mentioned Kate and Snow Dog, not my response about reywaS and Stormcrow as well. I have been leaning civvie on reywaS just from my gut, I don't have him pegged 100% as a civvie (or even anything above 75% or so, for that matter --- if 50% is I don't know, 0% is BADDIE FOR SURE and 100% is CIVVIE FOR SURE, if that makes sense). Same with Stormcrow, to a lesser extent, she is like 51%. I realize the percentages are arbitrary but you get my point; it's all a game of balancing thread behavior, circumstantial evidence, process of elimination, and gut. I've been trying to use the spreadsheet this game because I feel it better helps me keep track of all of that when I have done it versus many of my last games where I haven't and I feel in those it was harder to pinpoint.

If you factor in the assumption that BF/juliets/indiglo are all Etherians as well as a few other seemingly more obvious player assumptions, then yes, if every player I am leaning civvie on at this very moment was actually a civvie, it would mean I have too many civvie players, I am aware of that. This is why I said I've been leaning civvie in cases where I have been and baddie in cases where I'm leaning baddie, and I'm more than willing to admit I'm probably wrong on some of these. It's also why I'm trying to get discussion going on the low posters as well as timmer and BF/indiglo/juliets because those are probably the three areas I'm most unsure about. In fact, I do think the fact that I've been leaning civvie on DFaraday for so long, as I mentioned yesterday, is incorrect. I do still believe this.

I would say I am much more confident in Kate and Snow Dog being civvie than reywaS and Stormcrow, if that helps, and that I feel that they are most likely civvie to least likely civvie in this order: Snow Dog -- Kate -- reywaS -- Stormcrow. In fact, I'm really thinking when I get home tonight I need to re-read some players in addition to BWT and see what I need to change on my spreadsheet, if anything.

Really?

REALLY?

REALLY?

[Tangrowth]

Also, MP - are you defending Snow Dog? Just want to be sure I am getting the right impression from your posts...

Yes, I am defending him. If Snow Dog is baddie this game, I will eat a hat (or gladly sig bet anyone on it). To clarify, I have a specific role pegged for him and I would be very surprised if he was not this such role. This is in combination with the fact that, knowing him quite well as I've conversed with him over at PA, that I would highly doubt he would be behaving and posting the way he is if he had baddie BTSC. The moves in his direction this game have been consistently pinging me because they have struck me as opportunistic or misguided, and I have been trying to indicate that all game.

I will support a lynch of nearly anyone else in this game other than him, so naturally he will not be getting my vote today or anytime in the near future.

@MP: Of those I mentioned, I am least suspicious of Kate at the moment and only mentioned her because Orson did. I mentioned other people than just Snow Dog and Kate.

I see what you're saying now; I thought you were only referring to your post where you mentioned Kate and Snow Dog, not my response about reywaS and Stormcrow as well. I have been leaning civvie on reywaS just from my gut, I don't have him pegged 100% as a civvie (or even anything above 75% or so, for that matter --- if 50% is I don't know, 0% is BADDIE FOR SURE and 100% is CIVVIE FOR SURE, if that makes sense). Same with Stormcrow, to a lesser extent, she is like 51%. I realize the percentages are arbitrary but you get my point; it's all a game of balancing thread behavior, circumstantial evidence, process of elimination, and gut. I've been trying to use the spreadsheet this game because I feel it better helps me keep track of all of that when I have done it versus many of my last games where I haven't and I feel in those it was harder to pinpoint.

If you factor in the assumption that BF/juliets/indiglo are all Etherians as well as a few other seemingly more obvious player assumptions, then yes, if every player I am leaning civvie on at this very moment was actually a civvie, it would mean I have too many civvie players, I am aware of that. This is why I said I've been leaning civvie in cases where I have been and baddie in cases where I'm leaning baddie, and I'm more than willing to admit I'm probably wrong on some of these. It's also why I'm trying to get discussion going on the low posters as well as timmer and BF/indiglo/juliets because those are probably the three areas I'm most unsure about. In fact, I do think the fact that I've been leaning civvie on DFaraday for so long, as I mentioned yesterday, is incorrect. I do still believe this.

I would say I am much more confident in Kate and Snow Dog being civvie than reywaS and Stormcrow, if that helps, and that I feel that they are most likely civvie to least likely civvie in this order: Snow Dog -- Kate -- reywaS -- Stormcrow. In fact, I'm really thinking when I get home tonight I need to re-read some players in addition to BWT and see what I need to change on my spreadsheet, if anything.

Really?

REALLY?

REALLY?

Yes.... why? Have I not been clear all game?

[LittleTiger]

I think you will be eating a hat, MP

[Tangrowth]

I think you will be eating a hat, MP

Really? Are you saying with 100% certainty that Snow Dog is not a civvie?

[blindfaeth]

I must say that my faith in you MP is fading very quickly based upon whom you are eyeing. Time to finally make a spreadsheet for the game I suppose, I've lasted long enough to make it worthwhile...

[Tangrowth]

I must say that my faith in you MP is fading very quickly based upon whom you are eyeing. Time to finally make a spreadsheet for the game I suppose, I've lasted long enough to make it worthwhile...

I don't know what else to say other than I think some serious manipulation might be going on around here, and I need to find out who it is. If you've thought I've read civvie throughout the game, trust your read. I'm not a baddie here.

If you, juliets, and indiglo are who you should be, this could mean another group might be bluffing. I don't really fucking know at this point; this is strange. I'm definitely looking at my spreadsheet right now and something's not adding up.

[blindfaeth]

I want to believe you. Not really much I can do to help though.

[Tangrowth]

I want to believe you. Not really much I can do to help though.

Of course there is. I'm open to the idea that I could be wrong about some of these people, with only a few exceptions.

Who are you most eyeing at this point?

What do you think of timmer? Of any or all of the low posters, especially do you have any opinion on Ishar or the_untamed (is anyone actually going to come in here and defend either of these two?) Or whoever else?

[blindfaeth]

I want to believe you. Not really much I can do to help though.

Of course there is. I'm open to the idea that I could be wrong about some of these people, with only a few exceptions.

Who are you most eyeing at this point?

What do you think of timmer? Of any or all of the low posters, especially do you have any opinion on Ishar or the_untamed (is anyone actually going to come in here and defend either of these two?) Or whoever else?

I think Dom, Stormcrow, DisPor, reywaS, Snow Dog, Elohcin might be good places to look into. Maybe Ace too, I can't recall the last time I've seen him post, he's been blendy. I think Timmer is likely indy.

I don't really have an opinion on those two other than they are probably the two with missing PMs. Which leads me to believe they are non BTSC civvies or indy, as people with BTSC typically #1 push the host to find a replacement and/or help find one and #2 if not replace them, at least send in their PM.

[blindfaeth]

i have to say this spreadsheet is helping some. It is making some things clearer

[LittleTiger]

Yes, btsc buddies will try to help find replacements for missing team mates... indeed. I did note that Snow Dog mentioned he was trying to find a replacement for Ishtar

[Tangrowth]

I want to believe you. Not really much I can do to help though.

Of course there is. I'm open to the idea that I could be wrong about some of these people, with only a few exceptions.

Who are you most eyeing at this point?

What do you think of timmer? Of any or all of the low posters, especially do you have any opinion on Ishar or the_untamed (is anyone actually going to come in here and defend either of these two?) Or whoever else?

I think Dom, Stormcrow, DisPor, reywaS, Snow Dog, Elohcin might be good places to look into. Maybe Ace too, I can't recall the last time I've seen him post, he's been blendy. I think Timmer is likely indy.

I don't really have an opinion on those two other than they are probably the two with missing PMs. Which leads me to believe they are non BTSC civvies or indy, as people with BTSC typically #1 push the host to find a replacement and/or help find one and #2 if not replace them, at least send in their PM.

Agreed on Dom (obviously), why Elohcin? Disagree on Snow Dog, obviously. As to DP, possible, reywaS possible. The reason I wasn't thinking Aces is because he survived an NK on Night 2, but maybe.

Ah, that does make sense. Have there always been been 2+ PMs missing? I don't know why I didn't think of that.

I'm really confused as to Snow Dog. If LT is saying she's 100% sure (still waiting on the answer from her on that), that means she absolutely has to be wrong. I don't get any other explanation for all of this then.

Linki with LT: You're wrong about Snow Dog. Seriously. I don't know if that means someone has tampered with your night action last night or if you're lying, but the latter wouldn't make any sense. Honestly, neither of them make sense, but here we are.

[LittleTiger]

MP - you are seriously making me nervous.

[blindfaeth]

Day 3: The Slime Pit

Finding Evil-Lyn terribly burned and deceased among an array of witnesses who could not answer for her death struck bewildered the party, even those who were glad to see the wicked illusionist gone.

The silenced were made to bury her, whether they wished to or not.

Another issue vexed them: In their hunger, they had not kept track of their way, and extreme cloud cover made natural navigation quite difficult. They moved on, nervous to stay in a place where death had tried to strike twice, and succeeded once.

The air grew thick and hot. It weighed in the lungs of everyone, but afflicted the spider-eaters the most, who could not talk a syllable.

Someone commented that they had passed north into the Vine Jungle. Several groaned. They had gone the wrong way, away from King Randor, Castle Grayskull, and hope to relieving themselves of this accused state.

The ground raged and rumbled. The party scattered.

The earth opened.

A skeletal shape rose from the moist, collapsing soil. It had a goat-like head and bony claws.

And it had a deep pit.

Watching from behind covered positions, behind trees and rocky formations, the party saw the emergence of a terrible structure.

“This is the work of Skeletor,” many concluded.

“Or Hordak,” others countered.

The towering, monstrous thing’s eyes gleamed red. “I demand sacrifice,” it rumbled.

There was one missing PM.

It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

^Uh oh, looks like I was wrong.. only 1 missing PM here.. >.>