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[DrWilgy]

Falcons ISO is poop

[Schiavetto]

Can I get some opinions on my observation on Sabi I just quoted?

Like when a wolf is asked for who they may vote, throwing a partner into a third position like that makes sense.. most wolves probably aren't bold enough not to include any partners?

I don't think lucy specifically being the third name is scummy (name order isn't something i find terribly AI??) but i don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect Sabi'd slip a partner in there & I think it sits nicely w/ lucy's disengagement during the tridome

[DrWilgy]

But the vibe.

"I low post and vibe as I go, I don't mind if I die"

"How could Wilgy possibly have a W progression on me?"

Bah

Just so we're clear, I absolutely do mind if I die.

Aye, I did a reread. I did misread you on that subject.

[Schiavetto]

What about 4

this was funny

[DrWilgy]

Bah, [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I still vibe W Schia, but am becoming aware that I'm misreading as I'm of split attention between this and work.

I should come back to this.

[obscurity]

I am getting Schia and Wilgy both town out of this.

But I also have a habit of reading a lot of in the moment town and then adjusting as much (IE with lucy earlier) based on what I feel more strongly about. With the exception of NOOK, who just feels wolfy.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Creature/Seanzie comparatively to me I guess at least seem.. genuinely frustrated and like they believe their push? Like my feelings on Seanzie are meh but when I compare that to NOOK he just feels like he's going through the motions and not passionate about his reads. I expect if he's a villager he may be more considerate of the fact that you've shielded him and I don't know. I don't think what he pulled was something particularly difficult for a wolf to do. Performative stunts are much easier than faking believable pushes.

I mean reading me on passion or whatever is

Not going to go well most of the time lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like he faked a peek on the most nothing slot, with a difference check with 2 other slots doing nothing, then retracted it as a way to continue pushing against you even harder, in the world he's a wolf

Don't think I was pushing against him before that

[DrWilgy]

I mean it just looks like "may as well try to out a strong pr on my way out" to me lol but

Ruri claimed before your gimmick Nook, why would they need to "strong pr their way out?"

[DrWilgy]

If I recall there wasn't a lot of weight on Ruri at the time?

[anne]

hihihihihihi

[DrWilgy]

hihihihihihi

Hello hello hello hello hello!i!

[anne]

I was getting ready to scumread Lucy because of how their play this game feels similar to what I imagine their scumplay to be, but after reading through her ISO I feel like her interactions with sabi look pretty good. The only real criticism I have is that she doesn't really seem to have that strong of a suspicion on anyone and I feel that's a bit unusual in the sense that she's been here a lot and I imagine v!Lucy to be a bit more opinionated. Which to her credit she was earlier on in the game, just less so now but eh gth Lucy is still town.

[anne]

Also @Jackofhearts2005 wdym that Schia is "not out of wolf range"? What does that even mean? I feel like that's just using a buzzword to avoid townreading Schia while still holding a generally favorable view of them.

[DrWilgy]

My hangup on Nook.

Lately Nook and I have been finding each other, or at least get close before I misyeet him (see that damn last wolf Jay game).

I don't know if that's happening this game and it's weird. Like I don't feel close to telling what Nook is.

I know I don't want to vote there because I'm invested on not being incorrect and would feel like a turd if I'm misreading that slot. Speaking rationally, I have nothing to clear Nook. Not even the gimmick has town vibe the more I think on it.

[anne]

Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also @Jackofhearts2005 wdym that Schia is "not out of wolf range"? What does that even mean? I feel like that's just using a buzzword to avoid townreading Schia while still holding a generally favorable view of them.

You're asking me to define "wolfrange?"

[anne]

Also @Jackofhearts2005 wdym that Schia is "not out of wolf range"? What does that even mean? I feel like that's just using a buzzword to avoid townreading Schia while still holding a generally favorable view of them.

You're asking me to define "wolfrange?"

no, I'm asking you to define what you believe Schia's wolf range to be

[DrWilgy]

Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

Seanzies interactions with Sabi I thought were very not W/W.

Can you describe the dif check between the two?

[anne]

Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

Seanzies interactions with Sabi I thought were very not W/W.

Can you describe the dif check between the two?

Yeah, vibes. It's something you pick up on after thousands of games.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also @Jackofhearts2005 wdym that Schia is "not out of wolf range"? What does that even mean? I feel like that's just using a buzzword to avoid townreading Schia while still holding a generally favorable view of them.

You're asking me to define "wolfrange?"

no, I'm asking you to define what you believe Schia's wolf range to be

Inclusive of this? Like the iso looks good, just not good enough for a locktown read.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

What's specifically bad about my play around Sabi?

[Jackofhearts2005]

(Why is the first letter of most of Pxxy's posts cut off?)

[anne]

Also @Jackofhearts2005 wdym that Schia is "not out of wolf range"? What does that even mean? I feel like that's just using a buzzword to avoid townreading Schia while still holding a generally favorable view of them.

You're asking me to define "wolfrange?"

no, I'm asking you to define what you believe Schia's wolf range to be

Inclusive of this? Like the iso looks good, just not good enough for a locktown read.

that has nothing to do with schia's wolf range then so idk why you even said that at all

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also @Jackofhearts2005 wdym that Schia is "not out of wolf range"? What does that even mean? I feel like that's just using a buzzword to avoid townreading Schia while still holding a generally favorable view of them.

You're asking me to define "wolfrange?"

no, I'm asking you to define what you believe Schia's wolf range to be

Inclusive of this? Like the iso looks good, just not good enough for a locktown read.

that has nothing to do with schia's wolf range then so idk why you even said that at all

That's what a wolfrange is?

[DrWilgy]

Skimmed Porscha's ISO.

Towny enough.

Idk, low energy Porscha is hard to read when compared to big post Porscha that I'm used to. I almost misyeeted low energy Porscha in NAA's game that just ended so I'd rather not make the same mistake twice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Pxxy's iso is...also an iso. There's not much that's overtly good or bad about it. There are opinions, but they aren't strong. There is interaction with Sabi but it's softball while also not being explicitly partnery.

What sticks out the most to me is that Pxxy's strongest scumread seems to be Creature but Pxxy instead votes Lily, Nanook and Falcon.

Potential distancing with packmate Creature. No smoking gun. Wouldn't yeet this slot before Creature unless somebody sees something I don't.

[Seanzie]

Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

I don't see how Jack's alignment would matter at all to this statement, so you ShOuLd be concluding that I'm just a wolf if you believe the highlighted line above... but you're instead putting me in a difference check... Not good, Anne. Not good.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nah they could be easily. someone like NOOK feeds Ruri a decent claim. he does a weak reaction test then softball clears her for her reaction. which, she never pushed back at NOOK or said to clear NOOK, she said to kill Rondo.

Based on a misunderstanding, though.

Reframe it this way. Nook does a goofy push on Ruri. Ruri reacts to it in a super limp way to the point that she has a big wagon and Nanook is still pushing her even after her claim (and me, for some reason I still don't understand but whatever).

I guess that could have been a way to setup a bus or distance. In a Nanook/Ruri/Sabi/??? world, w!Nanook might feel the need to do that. I'm bad at telling "I am a wolf and I am pushing to misyeet a townie" apart from "I am a wolf and I am gonna bus the shit out of my mostly inactive partner" because they are both agenday pushes for a real yeet. That said, my line of thinking on Ruri's claim still stands so if Ruri is town, this isn't what's happening.

No results. Pushing submit anyway because the most important part of not getting yeeted is continually showing your townie mindset.

If we were partners i never would've rescinded lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean it just looks like "may as well try to out a strong pr on my way out" to me lol but

Ruri claimed before your gimmick Nook, why would they need to "strong pr their way out?"

They did not claim before my gimmick ?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also the post you're quoting is from after I thought they were town and was pushing for reactions im pretty sure ?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

My hangup on Nook.

Lately Nook and I have been finding each other, or at least get close before I misyeet him (see that damn last wolf Jay game).

I don't know if that's happening this game and it's weird. Like I don't feel close to telling what Nook is.

I know I don't want to vote there because I'm invested on not being incorrect and would feel like a turd if I'm misreading that slot. Speaking rationally, I have nothing to clear Nook. Not even the gimmick has town vibe the more I think on it.

This is inaccurate, i have been finding you early and you eventually get to me after flips and me wearing you down

[anne]

Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

I don't see how Jack's alignment would matter at all to this statement, so you ShOuLd be concluding that I'm just a wolf if you believe the highlighted line above... but you're instead putting me in a difference check... Not good, Anne. Not good.

No, not really. I've seen you be randomly extremely accurate before, so you could see something I don't. The only difference is that one game where your reasons were more well thought out.

[Seanzie]

Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

I don't see how Jack's alignment would matter at all to this statement, so you ShOuLd be concluding that I'm just a wolf if you believe the highlighted line above... but you're instead putting me in a difference check... Not good, Anne. Not good.

No, not really. I've seen you be randomly extremely accurate before, so you could see something I don't. The only difference is that one game where your reasons were more well thought out.

What game/games of mine have you seen? I could have forgotten, but I don't think we've played together ever.

[DrWilgy]

I have a...its not really a difference check, idk what to call it, anyways I have mech info that there's at least one mafia between ruri/schia/falcon, I think its probably ruri

Start of the gimmick 8-6 8:18am

I am doc. Vote someone else.

Ruri claim 8-6 5:38am

Bruh what was your intent if the gimmick was pre claim like you supposedly think?

[DrWilgy]

My hangup on Nook.

Lately Nook and I have been finding each other, or at least get close before I misyeet him (see that damn last wolf Jay game).

I don't know if that's happening this game and it's weird. Like I don't feel close to telling what Nook is.

I know I don't want to vote there because I'm invested on not being incorrect and would feel like a turd if I'm misreading that slot. Speaking rationally, I have nothing to clear Nook. Not even the gimmick has town vibe the more I think on it.

This is inaccurate, i have been finding you early and you eventually get to me after flips and me wearing you down

An eventually of finding is still finding lol

[Porscha]

I'm pretty disconnected from this game cuz when it started I had too much going on but I'm trimmed down on games now so I'll try to find the energy to read stuff tomorrow

you, my friend, have to get a better sleep schedule

e.e been a rough issue for me recently with work too lol

can you link me 2 town and 2 scum games of yours

maf:
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/prehis ... -wins/1550
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/sfm-as ... -wins/1856

town:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6386317
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37391 (this one is for you )

[obscurity]

Yeah I'm starting to think it's not paired. the NOOK thing literally did nothing towny and just fished the doc, though.

[anne]

Imo Seanzie and Jack are difference checked so I'd probably kill Jack if Seanzie is town and vice versa. I feel like Seanzie would be more solid in presenting his reasons, even if it were on a micro level, if it were V/V. It's not hard to imagine a world where he's just pushing a bunk gamestate. On the other hand, Jack's play around Sabi slot is p bad and I don't sr everyone on his wagon so I could easily see that flipping wolf. The only thing is that a w!Jack suggests a pretty weird mafia team and idk if we're in that world so I might actually lean towards Seanzie being more likely mafia atp.

I don't see how Jack's alignment would matter at all to this statement, so you ShOuLd be concluding that I'm just a wolf if you believe the highlighted line above... but you're instead putting me in a difference check... Not good, Anne. Not good.

No, not really. I've seen you be randomly extremely accurate before, so you could see something I don't. The only difference is that one game where your reasons were more well thought out.

What game/games of mine have you seen? I could have forgotten, but I don't think we've played together ever.

Evil Bunnies Easter Mafia where you nailed Nook/LimeCoke

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have a...its not really a difference check, idk what to call it, anyways I have mech info that there's at least one mafia between ruri/schia/falcon, I think its probably ruri

Start of the gimmick 8-6 8:18am

I am doc. Vote someone else.

Ruri claim 8-6 5:38am

Bruh what was your intent if the gimmick was pre claim like you supposedly think?

You're right, my memory is garbo sometimes

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah I'm starting to think it's not paired. the NOOK thing literally did nothing towny and just fished the doc, though.

As wilgy pointed out they'd already claimed lol

[obscurity]

they claimed after you softed the red on them, just not the difference check.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

they claimed after you softed the red on them, just not the difference check.

I remembered it that way too tbh but they claimed before I did the skft a red thing

I'm as surprised as you

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

[obscurity]

huh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways take a glance at their iso in this game that just ended, they were mafia and dipped as soon as they were outed so im just calling them town

Maybe if they're exactly with anne given she i think knew that I didn't have a real red, otherwise they're probably town lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Sorry forgot the link

viewtopic.php?t=2426

[obscurity]

Vote: Lucy

[robyn]

Vote: Lucy

you’re confirmation biasing yourself into a lucy vote, what’s funny is that you’ll pull out a random gif rondo sent and for no reason interpret that as him scumreading me
you’ll read into sabi’s iso and believe in the rule of 3 then ignore the fact she tried to wagon me
you confirmation biased yourself into nook/lucy partners lol
please case me instead of your current way of pussy footing around me

[robyn]

oh, he did scum read me
too bad i’m town
aren’t you capable of independent thought obscurity?
even if you aren’t, try reading lily’s read on me