Hot Fuzz Mafia [GAME OVER]

[DrWilgy]

Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.

It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.

Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.

I g2g now, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have no real basis for that thought beyond "vague gamestate vibes:

You mean a lot of players suddenly townreading him for ??? reasons? Do you think he's being TMI'd?

If I could articulate them I wouldn't have called them vague

[Seanzie]

Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.

It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.

Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.

I g2g now, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.

Uhh... how am I clear?

[anne]

I haven’t done anything to look good lol so that’s patently false but okay Creature. Fwiw Creature is probably town but his read on me is bad

[Creature]

I have no real basis for that thought beyond "vague gamestate vibes:

You mean a lot of players suddenly townreading him for ??? reasons? Do you think he's being TMI'd?

If I could articulate them I wouldn't have called them vague

Can't you make anything out of everyone's massive efforts to save Jack for little to no reason?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't see a difference between how people are talking about creature this game vs last one lol

I haven't read him so idk could easily be missing something but

What does this mean?

It means creature is miselim bait.

I get mislynched a fair lot this site while I haven't been mislynched in MU since 2020. I feel like there's some form of elitism in games where less charismatic players get lynched way more often than the most popular players.

Imo its more that iirc your first game or two you were really high volume obvious town and now the standard is set kinda higher than is probably fair


And maybe some of the elitism thing too

[Seanzie]

Also, if me, Creature or Nook ended up dead last night, that would immediately implicate Jack.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have no real basis for that thought beyond "vague gamestate vibes:

You mean a lot of players suddenly townreading him for ??? reasons? Do you think he's being TMI'd?

If I could articulate them I wouldn't have called them vague

Can't you make anything out of everyone's massive efforts to save Jack for little to no reason?

I'm not caught up and I've read barely any of it outside of wilgy so

I can pretend that's the reason if you want tho lol

[DrWilgy]

Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

The Rondo kill was just weird, trying to say "Jack can't be wolf because the Rondo kill" is a very weak take imo. We have no idea why the wolves killed Rondo - PR read, because of their read, fearkill, gamestate preservation, who knows?

What "lines of play" exactly?

If this is your only reason to TR Jack, that might be a bad sign.

See above, it's an entire gamestate type thing. Plus I do think Jack was trying to hunt this cycle fwiw. I don't see that in the people pushing him. Maybe Lucy's hunting is legitimate?

Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.

It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.

Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.

I g2g now, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.

Uhh... how am I clear?

Sabi interactions. I have you and Lucy cleared because of it. Can quote it later.

[Seanzie]

Creature wagon is very bad.

I have correctly read Creature every game I've played with them. I am very confident they are town here. They are a super common miselim target, and I won't let it happen this time.

The random unsupported Jack townreads with a Creature wagon coming out of nowhere is clearly wolf-driven.

[Creature]

My top two wolfreads are Jack and anne.

I could see lucy and falcon45ca being wolves too but I've seen both of them being mislynched a lot in games lately just like Lilypetal. I'm also afraid of the Jack wagon getting derailed into a townie again because that'll mean he's gonna still be alive tomorrow as a massive question mark.

I guess atp I want Jack sorted so we can maybe make something out of D3.

[Schiavetto]

my main thing w creature is like

idk if they make the error they did w/rt lilywagon composition as scum.

[Seanzie]

Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

The Rondo kill was just weird, trying to say "Jack can't be wolf because the Rondo kill" is a very weak take imo. We have no idea why the wolves killed Rondo - PR read, because of their read, fearkill, gamestate preservation, who knows?

What "lines of play" exactly?

If this is your only reason to TR Jack, that might be a bad sign.

See above, it's an entire gamestate type thing. Plus I do think Jack was trying to hunt this cycle fwiw. I don't see that in the people pushing him. Maybe Lucy's hunting is legitimate?

Why are you all trying too damn hard to save Jack? Is there any good reason to townread him or are you all just afraid of possibly mislynching a strong player?

I've stated a lot of reasons to wolfread Jack even non-Mac related reasons. I have yet to see an actual reason to townread Jack that is not "jAcK iS pRoBaBlY tOwN".

The Lilypetal wagon grew with little to no resistance and afair Jack was leading until like 8 players were piled on Lilypetal.

Even with Jack being the counterwagon to a mislynch and the optimacy of solving counterwagons to mislynch, it feels like it's pretty damn hard to get anyone to vote Jack.

It just doesn't make sense with Rondo dying, and I'm partial to believing your read on Jack at this point.

The points that I've seen are mostly Lily wagon related, which I've already pointed out are moot, and then Mac legacy related which I'm not sure about.

None of the lines of play today point to Jack being wolf.

I'm pretty sure Jack literally watched Rondo demolish two wolves in King of the Hill so Jack has good reasons to fearkill Rondo. I don't think Jack nightkills me here because I get mislynched a lot and often tinfoil my own reads. There's no way you can townread Jack from a common nightkill.

It's more than the nightkill, it's the momentum of the game. The game immediately today went into a wagon on Jack and that's pretty much it. There's been no solving around it, the wagon just exists and has stuck.

Also NK analysis always seems to get discredited for some reason. Rondo was literally posting gifs. You've posted as to why you weren't NK'd fine, but there's Nook and Seanzie, and Seanzie is about as cleared as can be.

I g2g now, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine may be on via mobile, but we'll see. Site's been real FONKY on my phone and I have like 10 posts left.

Uhh... how am I clear?

Sabi interactions. I have you and Lucy cleared because of it. Can quote it later.

Jack needed to do something to survive today, and they aren't so bad at wolf that they can't fake hunt.

Yesterday we had a clear EoD gamestate that points to wolf!Jack. That tends to put people in a holding pattern until Jack is dealt with. Expecting townies to push in other directions when there is a clear optimal yeet is meh.

[Seanzie]

my main thing w creature is like

idk if they make the error they did w/rt lilywagon composition as scum.

Please vote Jack.

[anne]

ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up

[Schiavetto]

my main thing w creature is like

idk if they make the error they did w/rt lilywagon composition as scum.

Please vote Jack.

& indeed there will be time

[Seanzie]

ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up

Why wait?

[Creature]

ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up

I'm paranoid of you because you keep surviving + you keep having bad solves (like Lilypetal). If you're town I hope you change that (at least the second part).

[anne]

ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up

I'm paranoid of you because you keep surviving + you keep having bad solves (like Lilypetal). If you're town I hope you change that (at least the second part).

"Bad solves" I scumread one person wrongly lmao

[pyxxy]

Creature wagon is very bad.

I have correctly read Creature every game I've played with them. I am very confident they are town here. They are a super common miselim target, and I won't let it happen this time.

The random unsupported Jack townreads with a Creature wagon coming out of nowhere is clearly wolf-driven.

f Jack flips scum then how does that make the other two Creature wagoneers look? (DrWigly and falcon)

Or are you thinking that it's less about who's voting for Creature and more who's been pushing that wagon today? (if this, who?)

ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up

Why wait?

+1, waiting makes sense until you say that you are waiting, imo

[anne]

Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.

[Schiavetto]

Kinda wanna podrace. I don't think Synners podrace but it sure would be fun to podrace.

[anne]

ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up

Why wait?

Because I don't feel strongly enough about Jack, but I will vote Jack to save Creature.

[Creature]

Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.

Ok then do you have a solve rn?

[anne]

So I'm fine just twiddling my thumbs at EOD

[Porscha]

I don't see a difference between how people are talking about creature this game vs last one lol

I haven't read him so idk could easily be missing something but

What does this mean?

It means creature is miselim bait.

I get mislynched a fair lot this site while I haven't been mislynched in MU since 2020. I feel like there's some form of elitism in games where less charismatic players get lynched way more often than the most popular players.

careful the cops will come find you for this one cuz they don't wanna hear it ;p

[Schiavetto]

ill vote jack over creature, but waiting to see if anyone else shows up

I'm paranoid of you because you keep surviving + you keep having bad solves (like Lilypetal). If you're town I hope you change that (at least the second part).

"Bad solves" I scumread one person wrongly lmao

Fwiw this is a bit of what gives me pause with Jack - like i'm not over the moon about him here but everytime I see something along the lines of "He was wrong about Lily" i'm just like

!_!

[anne]

Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.

Ok then do you have a solve rn?

1. Your mom
2. Tu madre
3. Katze

I have no real solve. My best guess is one in Jack and Seanzie and then maybe Nook or Porscha or Neon. MAYBE Obscurity if he's snowing everyone

[Schiavetto]

So I'm fine just twiddling my thumbs at EOD

One, two, three, four
I declare a thumb war

[anne]

pxxxy could be scum as well, forgot about him. Schia is honestly probably town and is especially town if Jack is mafia.

[Creature]

Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.

Ok then do you have a solve rn?

1. Your mom
2. Tu madre
3. Katze

I have no real solve. My best guess is one in Jack and Seanzie and then maybe Nook or Porscha or Neon. MAYBE Obscurity if he's snowing everyone

My solve is literally Jack/you/lucy/falcon45ca because I'm townreading everybody else. Unless I'm being fooled by NANOOK or DrWilgy. Maybe Ruri is not even a doctor but meh the way they claimed didn't feel like it came from a wolf.

[pyxxy]

inda wild that we've got less than a day left and half the game hasn't voted at all

weekends do take precedence though

hopefully those who have a long weekend use it wisely for scumhunting

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Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Creature, Seanzie, pyxxy, obscurity, Neon, Schiavetto

as of right now
Jackofhearts2005 -- Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Creature, Seanzie
lucy -- Voters: Schiavetto
NANOOK -- Voters: pyxxy, obscurity
pyxxy -- Voters: Neon

Non-Voters: anne, DrWigly, falcon45ca, Jackofhearts2005, lucy, Porscha, Ruri

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Does this mean anything? No idea.

on-Voter update with ~20 minutes to go

- anne still holding out
- Wigly voted a _lot_ of places during the day iirc
- falcon plopped onto Creature which is wild
- @Jack sorry if you said this why not vote lucy as a counterwagon to yourself instead of starting a new wagon on Creature?
- lucy on jack
- Porscha still holding out
- Ruri afk per usual

[Schiavetto]

Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.

Ok then do you have a solve rn?

1. Your mom
2. Tu madre
3. Katze

I have no real solve. My best guess is one in Jack and Seanzie and then maybe Nook or Porscha or Neon. MAYBE Obscurity if he's snowing everyone

My solve is literally Jack/you/lucy/falcon45ca because I'm townreading everybody else. Unless I'm being fooled by NANOOK or DrWilgy. Maybe Ruri is not even a doctor but meh the way they claimed didn't feel like it came from a wolf.

When did you flip on me

[Creature]

I'm not completely sure on Jack but he's my best bet for wolf for a multitude of reasons (Mac's read + D3 wagonomics + his selfpresing play D3 and today).

[pyxxy]

pxxxy could be scum as well, forgot about him. Schia is honestly probably town and is especially town if Jack is mafia.

empai noticed me

[Creature]

Creature stop whining every game about people holding your town game to impossible standards when you do the same to everyone else.

Ok then do you have a solve rn?

1. Your mom
2. Tu madre
3. Katze

I have no real solve. My best guess is one in Jack and Seanzie and then maybe Nook or Porscha or Neon. MAYBE Obscurity if he's snowing everyone

My solve is literally Jack/you/lucy/falcon45ca because I'm townreading everybody else. Unless I'm being fooled by NANOOK or DrWilgy. Maybe Ruri is not even a doctor but meh the way they claimed didn't feel like it came from a wolf.

When did you flip on me

I almost included you alongside NANOOK and DrWilgy. I kinda found you towny for the Lilypetal wagon error thing.

[robyn]

explain your read on me @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[Creature]

I see lucy, Porscha and Schiavetto sitting in the online list. Was I wrong about Jack?

[robyn]

I see lucy, Porscha and Schiavetto sitting in the online list. Was I wrong about Jack?

your feet must be so cold

[Creature]

I see lucy, Porscha and Schiavetto sitting in the online list. Was I wrong about Jack?

your feet must be so cold

I feel like I am the main responsible for the Jack lynch and if I am wrong that's going to be largely my fault. This is why I'm pretty tense.

[Porscha]

i'm kinda in the mood to vanity or choo choo wagon

[Porscha]

maybe should just off jack to have the conversation done and over with idk

[Creature]

Whatever if I am wrong I'll let DrWilgy, obscurity and anne lead tomorrow.

It would be cool if Jack left a legacy too if he's town.

[robyn]

I see lucy, Porscha and Schiavetto sitting in the online list. Was I wrong about Jack?

your feet must be so cold

I feel like I am the main responsible for the Jack lynch and if I am wrong that's going to be largely my fault. This is why I'm pretty tense.

want a massage or someone to tell you that it'll be okay or some benzo's
any way you slice it actions have consequences, what you've spent 20 years doing is gaining the tools to make decent decisions

[Porscha]

jack specifically said he didnt believe his own reads enough to consider them a legacy worth leaving

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

explain your read on me @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

You're poe

[Creature]

i'm kinda in the mood to vanity or choo choo wagon

Bit too risky to flashwagon atp. I feel like Jack would've done something by now if he knew he was a bad lynch?

[robyn]

Whatever if I am wrong I'll let DrWilgy, obscurity and anne lead tomorrow.

It would be cool if Jack left a legacy too if he's town.

lol, you do realize those 3 are my solve

[Porscha]

sometimes you just gotta risk it for the biscuit you know

[robyn]

explain your read on me @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

You're poe

lol