Anniversary Game 2 - Moozik [MAFIA WIN]

[Inawordyes]

When did Chelsea vote for Guillo? I don't see a vote on him anywhere in her ISO, but she was voting for him at EoD in the poll

Idk the answer to this
Wasn't Guillo pushing on her though?

He was, and her response was "lol Guillo's obvious mafia", but then every post of hers after that seemed to be backtracking a justification to call Guillo mafia but not move her vote onto him. She never placed a vote on Guillo in a post, but she did vote him at some point in the poll, and without an anchor point in a post I have no idea when that was. WIthout that, the way just her posts about Guillo read, looks like W/W distancing. Have to check context to see if Guillo wagon was gaining traction by then, if so then it strengthens my thought that it was intentional and that would make Chelsea potentially the late-wagon busser. But I don't want to throw that out there if wrong just because I don't have a timeframe reference because of the way the site works WRT voting

[IBA]

Schiavetto has also been pretty adamant about wanting to get rid of me

"Why would town, who also just killed the godfather, want to also kill self-admitted third party?"

Like dude you don't even go here, fellow kids somewhere else

"Wahhh this person isn't scum but they aren't town wahhhhh"

There are literally two possibilities: Either you don't care if we win, or you actively want us to lose

Literally why should anyone listen to anything you say

[WindwardAway]

Soooooo... I take it nobody else wants to claim vote canceller?

No but I will say that I also have a vote fuckery role, the details of which I will not elaborate at this time, and having 3 such roles seems... idk I guess it's not impossible but. I'm having a hard time believing Val's claim.

Although I guess it's easy enough to verify in theory, and it's hard to see how we kill anyone that's not Colin or Daughter today.

Well, I'm confident Colin is at least a neighborizer and is telling the truth about his role and who he targeted because it matches with my info as far as I can tell
So I'm less interested in him rn
Daughter I'd be absolutely fine with yeeting except that I'm a little worried she actually is town
Like I decided over N1 that she was probably wolfing
And her role claim just kinda nails it in for me
But she's picking such weird pushes that aren't even likely to gain traction as far as I can tell and I can't exactly call it agenda

[Inawordyes]

@LordQuas Did you throw out any actions N1/N2?

no

[DeeZees]

@WindwardAway why dont you just out the last role to visit our mystery guest

I can use info on two remaining visitors

Proxy cop
So the target has the result.

Idea being someone targetted nut so nut gets the result of a cop action completed by proxy cop?

I dont know how it works

But if this is the case....shouldnt colin have a green check for us

[Inawordyes]

Am I shadowbanned? Hello, can people see my posts? I have questions that I'm looking for answers on!

Lol sorry dude

What ya saying

sigh

something about Chelsea's ISO feels off re: her interactions with Guillo and I can't find anywhere in her ISO where she actually threw down a vote on him to check if it's unfounded or not, but she was voting on him in the poll at EoD. Do votes just not show up in the ISO for some reason?

Guillo dipped voting for chelsea

I think Chelsea more likely fine based on but not sure

I dont really get why nut targetter Chelsea d1 and im just hoping we find out more drom that

If I'm reading correctly, Val as vote stealer claimed targeting Colin, which means that Nutella targeted Colin too for Wind to be able to see the vote steal (aka Val) targeting "Nutella" (who nexused elsewhere)

that whole thing is still super confusing though ngl

[WindwardAway]

When did Chelsea vote for Guillo? I don't see a vote on him anywhere in her ISO, but she was voting for him at EoD in the poll

Idk the answer to this
Wasn't Guillo pushing on her though?

He was, and her response was "lol Guillo's obvious mafia", but then every post of hers after that seemed to be backtracking a justification to call Guillo mafia but not move her vote onto him. She never placed a vote on Guillo in a post, but she did vote him at some point in the poll, and without an anchor point in a post I have no idea when that was. WIthout that, the way just her posts about Guillo read, looks like W/W distancing. Have to check context to see if Guillo wagon was gaining traction by then, if so then it strengthens my thought that it was intentional and that would make Chelsea potentially the late-wagon busser. But I don't want to throw that out there if wrong just because I don't have a timeframe reference because of the way the site works WRT voting

OK, I'll take that into consideration
Will have to ISO her later because I do wonder what's going on with the vote and the pushes
I know that Guillo knows how to antispew, so I also want to go through his posts and see when he started pushing Chelsea.

[Inawordyes]

[VOTE: Mungbean] aubergine

At least throwing my money where my mouth is with some expressed scumspicion while I figure other stuffs out

[WindwardAway]

@WindwardAway why dont you just out the last role to visit our mystery guest

I can use info on two remaining visitors

Proxy cop
So the target has the result.

Idea being someone targetted nut so nut gets the result of a cop action completed by proxy cop?

I dont know how it works

But if this is the case....shouldnt colin have a green check for us

No, not if nutella didn't target Colin
I thought she targeted Chelsea again
It's also possible someone redirected nutella and everything is a mess (but I think redirects cancel out iirc)
I want Chelsea in the thread because I think several of us have questions for her

[IBA]

So I'm going to guess Daughter is an SK and Colin is the doppelganger thing that ate Creature, who was scum. Mostly because this is the solution that makes my brain hurt the least. But I will consider other possibilities tomorrow, ideally after some kind soul posts a flow chart with all the other bullshit going on. Otherwise it's been a v long day and I'm peacing out for the night

[WindwardAway]

Am I shadowbanned? Hello, can people see my posts? I have questions that I'm looking for answers on!

Lol sorry dude

What ya saying

sigh

something about Chelsea's ISO feels off re: her interactions with Guillo and I can't find anywhere in her ISO where she actually threw down a vote on him to check if it's unfounded or not, but she was voting on him in the poll at EoD. Do votes just not show up in the ISO for some reason?

Guillo dipped voting for chelsea

I think Chelsea more likely fine based on but not sure

I dont really get why nut targetter Chelsea d1 and im just hoping we find out more drom that

If I'm reading correctly, Val as vote stealer claimed targeting Colin, which means that Nutella targeted Colin too for Wind to be able to see the vote steal (aka Val) targeting "Nutella" (who nexused elsewhere)

that whole thing is still super confusing though ngl

No the issue with that is that I saw a vote canceller at night and Val has a day ability

[IBA]

Am I shadowbanned? Hello, can people see my posts? I have questions that I'm looking for answers on!

Lol sorry dude

What ya saying

sigh

something about Chelsea's ISO feels off re: her interactions with Guillo and I can't find anywhere in her ISO where she actually threw down a vote on him to check if it's unfounded or not, but she was voting on him in the poll at EoD. Do votes just not show up in the ISO for some reason?

Guillo dipped voting for chelsea

I think Chelsea more likely fine based on but not sure

I dont really get why nut targetter Chelsea d1 and im just hoping we find out more drom that

If I'm reading correctly, Val as vote stealer claimed targeting Colin, which means that Nutella targeted Colin too for Wind to be able to see the vote steal (aka Val) targeting "Nutella" (who nexused elsewhere)

that whole thing is still super confusing though ngl

No the issue with that is that I saw a vote canceller at night and Val has a day ability

How do we know it's a day ability

[WindwardAway]

Am I shadowbanned? Hello, can people see my posts? I have questions that I'm looking for answers on!

Lol sorry dude

What ya saying

sigh

something about Chelsea's ISO feels off re: her interactions with Guillo and I can't find anywhere in her ISO where she actually threw down a vote on him to check if it's unfounded or not, but she was voting on him in the poll at EoD. Do votes just not show up in the ISO for some reason?

Guillo dipped voting for chelsea

I think Chelsea more likely fine based on but not sure

I dont really get why nut targetter Chelsea d1 and im just hoping we find out more drom that

If I'm reading correctly, Val as vote stealer claimed targeting Colin, which means that Nutella targeted Colin too for Wind to be able to see the vote steal (aka Val) targeting "Nutella" (who nexused elsewhere)

that whole thing is still super confusing though ngl

No the issue with that is that I saw a vote canceller at night and Val has a day ability

How do we know it's a day ability

Val claimed its a day ability
Colin says he saw a day ability
So both of them would have to be lying TOGETHER for it not to be a day ability

[DeeZees]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

[WindwardAway]

At least that's what I understood
But tbh at this point i am questioning if I'm the one who's misunderstanding things

[DeeZees]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Keen for ppl in my 5 person town core to agree or disagree tbh would be nice to lock in for now

[WindwardAway]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Thing is that I think Val's posting is towny
Considering a lot of town roles have been incredibly scum-sided so far i would not pin an alignment on it
But it does make me wonder what the counter to it is, for balance

[Valentine]

i truly just don't understand what's going on so i'm trying to be as clear as i can about what i do dkjfgndfk
this game is not the experience i Believed It Would Be and my brain is not built to deknot weird night interactions and seeing stuff and what they mean

[Inawordyes]

Spoiler: show

Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Expand on this

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Expand on this

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

OK so I kinda felt the same because when I made fun of him I expected more of his uncontrollable reaction and I got was a meow and not a roar like when he's town.

He's a lot more emotionally volatile as town and way more calmer as mafia.

Exactly this. I'm pretty sure Guilo is one of the people I can read with the most confidence and to me it felt almost transparent how obvious the change is but I'd like to think Guilo knew this so I was giving him BOTD because I don't like it when it feels that night and day.

guillo's iso was honestly fine EXCEPT specifically the push on chelsea that was extremely forced like he didn't actually have a reason to push chelsea he just wanted to

This is what's giving me pause because I'm sitting here going "why would wolf Gulio do this" because he dam sure knows I will kick his ass if he's a wolf.

@Chelsea i am too lazy to double check but are you sure Guillo knows you are the same Chelsea because homeboy doesn't recognize me and thought Manny was Arogame.

Oh if he doesn't know it's me my entire reason to pause and not vote him goes out the window. Idk, I felt like it was obvious given my posting style but who knows.

Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Expand on this

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

OK so I kinda felt the same because when I made fun of him I expected more of his uncontrollable reaction and I got was a meow and not a roar like when he's town.

He's a lot more emotionally volatile as town and way more calmer as mafia.

Exactly this. I'm pretty sure Guilo is one of the people I can read with the most confidence and to me it felt almost transparent how obvious the change is but I'd like to think Guilo knew this so I was giving him BOTD because I don't like it when it feels that night and day.

To you two, i will act like the most lovable person on the planet to spite you. I dont have to prove my towniness to you by making your gaming experience a living hell on purpose.

Look for better ways to find me as town.

Im on my way to a party, i dont know if i can make it to EoD.

And Chelsea, it goes both ways and you have avoided me all game and waiting for the last hours to push me is in your scum meta. Plus you never answered my question.

I love you owo owo wuuuuu

I've mostly avoided you because I know the last time I was correct on you it did feel like a living hell trying to push you over and you know me pushing people is a nightmare because people never listen to me. (Mostly my fault not there's)

I'll go back and look for your question, but if you think I'm just a wolf trying to wait to push you at the final hour that's like, not really required unless you think one of the top wagons is my partner that I'm saving.

if Gulio says he loves me one more time I'ma burst into flames I hate affection.

Don't try to blatantly pocket me unless your name is Quas or Valentine

I highkey wanted to wagon Cape because I think Nut/Cape has 1 so I was gonna solve that problem today and then a Gulio wagon happened

specifically, here are all Chelsea posts about Guillo. She started off with a fire about how Guillo was obvious mafia, but then it shifted into "well I'm giving Guillo the benefit of the doubt". And even in her second post (the immediate response+explanation of why she thought Guillo was mafia), she basically laid out reasons to vote him and then said "it's not worth it, I'm gonna stick on Cape" and then had a very curious back and forth with Guillo about straight-up ignoring him

I think, looking at the last post, that that may have been around when she voted him? Just the way she's speaking about it, but I'm not sure

[IBA]

Lol sorry dude

What ya saying

sigh

something about Chelsea's ISO feels off re: her interactions with Guillo and I can't find anywhere in her ISO where she actually threw down a vote on him to check if it's unfounded or not, but she was voting on him in the poll at EoD. Do votes just not show up in the ISO for some reason?

Guillo dipped voting for chelsea

I think Chelsea more likely fine based on but not sure

I dont really get why nut targetter Chelsea d1 and im just hoping we find out more drom that

If I'm reading correctly, Val as vote stealer claimed targeting Colin, which means that Nutella targeted Colin too for Wind to be able to see the vote steal (aka Val) targeting "Nutella" (who nexused elsewhere)

that whole thing is still super confusing though ngl

No the issue with that is that I saw a vote canceller at night and Val has a day ability

How do we know it's a day ability

Val claimed its a day ability
Colin says he saw a day ability
So both of them would have to be lying TOGETHER for it not to be a day ability

hmmm

[WindwardAway]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Keen for ppl in my 5 person town core to agree or disagree tbh would be nice to lock in for now

I believe you
I believe Colin
I think I believe Val
I am fairly confident Sabi is town
I feel OK about IBA
I want Rask out as soon as he's uncommuted tbh
I think Snow seems OK too

[DeeZees]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Thing is that I think Val's posting is towny
Considering a lot of town roles have been incredibly scum-sided so far i would not pin an alignment on it
But it does make me wonder what the counter to it is, for balance

Yh n iba claimig vote manipulation alll a bit weird

Dont hate IBAs theory could just close my eyes and agree with it much as its weird.

My issie with colin being creature is its all a tad slippery

[Valentine]

is it a little towny for iawy to be doing this like, sidepush parallel to all the other stuff going on

does iawy delve into a chelsea push of all things at this very moment if wolf

[Inawordyes]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Keen for ppl in my 5 person town core to agree or disagree tbh would be nice to lock in for now

why Snow?

[IBA]

i truly just don't understand what's going on so i'm trying to be as clear as i can about what i do dkjfgndfk
this game is not the experience i Believed It Would Be and my brain is not built to deknot weird night interactions and seeing stuff and what they mean

Depressingly starting to think Val is actually town cuz lol same

Even if we assume 1-2 lying scum in the mix this is a metric fuckton of mechanics for a game where a third of the players died before day 2, and scum lies are probably half-truths anyway

[Inawordyes]

is it a little towny for iawy to be doing this like, sidepush parallel to all the other stuff going on

does iawy delve into a chelsea push of all things at this very moment if wolf

Yes, always, I'm capable of doing anything as wolf it's not particularly special

I'm trying to read through everybody's ISOs though, focusing specifically on thoughts and interactions relating to Guillo since he was a GF and could've laid low if not for getting called out basically on meta tone grounds

[DeeZees]

Spoiler: show

.
Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Expand on this

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Expand on this

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

OK so I kinda felt the same because when I made fun of him I expected more of his uncontrollable reaction and I got was a meow and not a roar like when he's town.

He's a lot more emotionally volatile as town and way more calmer as mafia.

Exactly this. I'm pretty sure Guilo is one of the people I can read with the most confidence and to me it felt almost transparent how obvious the change is but I'd like to think Guilo knew this so I was giving him BOTD because I don't like it when it feels that night and day.

guillo's iso was honestly fine EXCEPT specifically the push on chelsea that was extremely forced like he didn't actually have a reason to push chelsea he just wanted to

This is what's giving me pause because I'm sitting here going "why would wolf Gulio do this" because he dam sure knows I will kick his ass if he's a wolf.

@Chelsea i am too lazy to double check but are you sure Guillo knows you are the same Chelsea because homeboy doesn't recognize me and thought Manny was Arogame.

Oh if he doesn't know it's me my entire reason to pause and not vote him goes out the window. Idk, I felt like it was obvious given my posting style but who knows.

Expand on this

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

OK so I kinda felt the same because when I made fun of him I expected more of his uncontrollable reaction and I got was a meow and not a roar like when he's town.

He's a lot more emotionally volatile as town and way more calmer as mafia.

Exactly this. I'm pretty sure Guilo is one of the people I can read with the most confidence and to me it felt almost transparent how obvious the change is but I'd like to think Guilo knew this so I was giving him BOTD because I don't like it when it feels that night and day.

To you two, i will act like the most lovable person on the planet to spite you. I dont have to prove my towniness to you by making your gaming experience a living hell on purpose.

Look for better ways to find me as town.

Im on my way to a party, i dont know if i can make it to EoD.

And Chelsea, it goes both ways and you have avoided me all game and waiting for the last hours to push me is in your scum meta. Plus you never answered my question.

I love you owo owo wuuuuu

I've mostly avoided you because I know the last time I was correct on you it did feel like a living hell trying to push you over and you know me pushing people is a nightmare because people never listen to me. (Mostly my fault not there's)

I'll go back and look for your question, but if you think I'm just a wolf trying to wait to push you at the final hour that's like, not really required unless you think one of the top wagons is my partner that I'm saving.

if Gulio says he loves me one more time I'ma burst into flames I hate affection.

Don't try to blatantly pocket me unless your name is Quas or Valentine

I highkey wanted to wagon Cape because I think Nut/Cape has 1 so I was gonna solve that problem today and then a Gulio wagon happened

specifically, here are all Chelsea posts about Guillo. She started off with a fire about how Guillo was obvious mafia, but then it shifted into "well I'm giving Guillo the benefit of the doubt". And even in her second post (the immediate response+explanation of why she thought Guillo was mafia), she basically laid out reasons to vote him and then said "it's not worth it, I'm gonna stick on Cape" and then had a very curious back and forth with Guillo about straight-up ignoring him

I think, looking at the last post, that that may have been around when she voted him? Just the way she's speaking about it, but I'm not sure

If chelsea bussed, like this, without any fan fare i think wiuld be a wierd move?



Good finds

Want chelseasanswer

[WindwardAway]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Thing is that I think Val's posting is towny
Considering a lot of town roles have been incredibly scum-sided so far i would not pin an alignment on it
But it does make me wonder what the counter to it is, for balance

Yh n iba claimig vote manipulation alll a bit weird

Dont hate IBAs theory could just close my eyes and agree with it much as its weird.

My issie with colin being creature is its all a tad slippery

No i think that creature thing was my mistake
I told it to Sabi in our chat and that's why they mentioned it, we both wanted to go after him
But it seems like I misremembered what he said, and Colin had claimed nothing of the sort, BUT I SWEAR someone else did. I just haven't found it and it's bugging me.

[IBA]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

Thing is that I think Val's posting is towny
Considering a lot of town roles have been incredibly scum-sided so far i would not pin an alignment on it
But it does make me wonder what the counter to it is, for balance

Yh n iba claimig vote manipulation alll a bit weird

Dont hate IBAs theory could just close my eyes and agree with it much as its weird.

My issie with colin being creature is its all a tad slippery

I pretty much instantly regretted sharing that ftr. It's been a long day and I'm tired.

[WindwardAway]

i truly just don't understand what's going on so i'm trying to be as clear as i can about what i do dkjfgndfk
this game is not the experience i Believed It Would Be and my brain is not built to deknot weird night interactions and seeing stuff and what they mean

Depressingly starting to think Val is actually town cuz lol same

Even if we assume 1-2 lying scum in the mix this is a metric fuckton of mechanics for a game where a third of the players died before day 2, and scum lies are probably half-truths anyway

Well that's why I weighed in and said who I believed, not specifically that I am confident they're town

[Valentine]

is it a little towny for iawy to be doing this like, sidepush parallel to all the other stuff going on

does iawy delve into a chelsea push of all things at this very moment if wolf

Yes, always, I'm capable of doing anything as wolf it's not particularly special

I'm trying to read through everybody's ISOs though, focusing specifically on thoughts and interactions relating to Guillo since he was a GF and could've laid low if not for getting called out basically on meta tone grounds

oh i know you're capable it's more just like
choosing to do it now versus take more part in The Discourse

[IBA]

Yh boucing time need more inffo

Currently believe all of
Me
Wwa
Snow
Sabi
Iba

Are town ( iba least sure)



Colin 3p
Rask maybe disapeard mafia
Kinda believe val is town despite all other instincts

I'm quite sure you and Sabi are town fwiw

[WindwardAway]

Ok I'm gonna pass out now
Will try to sort things out more with fresh eyes I guess
And hopefully Chelsea will appear

[Inawordyes]

Spoiler: show

.
Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Expand on this

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

Oh ew Gulio is wolfing lol

Expand on this

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

OK so I kinda felt the same because when I made fun of him I expected more of his uncontrollable reaction and I got was a meow and not a roar like when he's town.

He's a lot more emotionally volatile as town and way more calmer as mafia.

Exactly this. I'm pretty sure Guilo is one of the people I can read with the most confidence and to me it felt almost transparent how obvious the change is but I'd like to think Guilo knew this so I was giving him BOTD because I don't like it when it feels that night and day.

guillo's iso was honestly fine EXCEPT specifically the push on chelsea that was extremely forced like he didn't actually have a reason to push chelsea he just wanted to

This is what's giving me pause because I'm sitting here going "why would wolf Gulio do this" because he dam sure knows I will kick his ass if he's a wolf.

@Chelsea i am too lazy to double check but are you sure Guillo knows you are the same Chelsea because homeboy doesn't recognize me and thought Manny was Arogame.

Oh if he doesn't know it's me my entire reason to pause and not vote him goes out the window. Idk, I felt like it was obvious given my posting style but who knows.

Gulio's entire come at me post was horrible. I'm very confident in my ability to read him and we're both aware of this fact. So it made me pause when he knows voting or calling me out will make me look at him (even though I already have been.)
He's also too reserved IMO.

Do I feel like fighting Gulio D1 with 4 hours left on the day expecting people to listen? No. :^) So my vote will stay on Cape

OK so I kinda felt the same because when I made fun of him I expected more of his uncontrollable reaction and I got was a meow and not a roar like when he's town.

He's a lot more emotionally volatile as town and way more calmer as mafia.

Exactly this. I'm pretty sure Guilo is one of the people I can read with the most confidence and to me it felt almost transparent how obvious the change is but I'd like to think Guilo knew this so I was giving him BOTD because I don't like it when it feels that night and day.

To you two, i will act like the most lovable person on the planet to spite you. I dont have to prove my towniness to you by making your gaming experience a living hell on purpose.

Look for better ways to find me as town.

Im on my way to a party, i dont know if i can make it to EoD.

And Chelsea, it goes both ways and you have avoided me all game and waiting for the last hours to push me is in your scum meta. Plus you never answered my question.

I love you owo owo wuuuuu

I've mostly avoided you because I know the last time I was correct on you it did feel like a living hell trying to push you over and you know me pushing people is a nightmare because people never listen to me. (Mostly my fault not there's)

I'll go back and look for your question, but if you think I'm just a wolf trying to wait to push you at the final hour that's like, not really required unless you think one of the top wagons is my partner that I'm saving.

if Gulio says he loves me one more time I'ma burst into flames I hate affection.

Don't try to blatantly pocket me unless your name is Quas or Valentine

I highkey wanted to wagon Cape because I think Nut/Cape has 1 so I was gonna solve that problem today and then a Gulio wagon happened

specifically, here are all Chelsea posts about Guillo. She started off with a fire about how Guillo was obvious mafia, but then it shifted into "well I'm giving Guillo the benefit of the doubt". And even in her second post (the immediate response+explanation of why she thought Guillo was mafia), she basically laid out reasons to vote him and then said "it's not worth it, I'm gonna stick on Cape" and then had a very curious back and forth with Guillo about straight-up ignoring him

I think, looking at the last post, that that may have been around when she voted him? Just the way she's speaking about it, but I'm not sure

If chelsea bussed, like this, without any fan fare i think wiuld be a wierd move?



Good finds

Want chelseasanswer

She made a point in her response to Guillo directly more or less that it's a nightmare trying to get people to actually vote for Guillo when she thought he was mafia, as sort of an excuse-justification for not putting any effort into trying to get something going despite believing that he was mafia (which he was). In a W/W world, this is the excuse that she could use to to claim cred later for being correct that Guillo was mafia, but without having to actually be involved in pushing the wagon and getting him chopped. I think the lack of fanfare actually falls more in line with this, because w!Chelsea is not gonna want to draw attention to her partner and force herself into a position where she has to publicly take a side. Slyly poll-voting without posting about it allows her to slip utr and bus without being noticed for it.

I can see the worldstate pretty easily so I want Chelsea to explain herself

Another thing is that she voted between Manny and Raskol, so in theory that can pin down when she voted too, uno momento

[Inawordyes]

is it a little towny for iawy to be doing this like, sidepush parallel to all the other stuff going on

does iawy delve into a chelsea push of all things at this very moment if wolf

Yes, always, I'm capable of doing anything as wolf it's not particularly special

I'm trying to read through everybody's ISOs though, focusing specifically on thoughts and interactions relating to Guillo since he was a GF and could've laid low if not for getting called out basically on meta tone grounds

oh i know you're capable it's more just like
choosing to do it now versus take more part in The Discourse

I'm multitasking haha, I'm taking small part in The Discourse but I'm also actively trying to do other stuff because there's only so much I can say as a completely non-involved bystander

[IBA]

fwiw I double-checked and Guillotine's kill was optional, so I don't think Sabi and DZ are spewed clear by that. I do just get insanely town vibes from them though. General activity and engagement with the game is still the best metric for figuring out scum from town ime, everything else is pretty marginal

On that note I don't think Daughter could really be scum, I don't think scum are going to get three kills a night. Still think the Daughter=SK, Colin=Creature Doppelganger theory is the simplest answer tho

[IBA]

Okay going to actually mostly veg out and eu4 for a bit here

[Inawordyes]

There being pushback against guillo wagon and then valentine wagon suddenly picking up a lot of traction makes me wanna double down on both my guillo sr and my valentine tr.

really good point that I'm gonna signal boost rq while I see it on a complete sidenote

[Schiavetto]

beloved role is lol.

fucking exhausted, will be around tomorrow

[Sabiplz]

fwiw I double-checked and Guillotine's kill was optional, so I don't think Sabi and DZ are spewed clear by that. I do just get insanely town vibes from them though. General activity and engagement with the game is still the best metric for figuring out scum from town ime, everything else is pretty marginal

On that note I don't think Daughter could really be scum, I don't think scum are going to get three kills a night. Still think the Daughter=SK, Colin=Creature Doppelganger theory is the simplest answer tho

Val was the cw propped up that I told everyone to get off

[Sabiplz]

Anyway I'm here and can devote most of my focus to this game now

[Sabiplz]

What exactly is going on and can someone explain the mech shit like I'm five

[Inawordyes]

Switching wagon to guillotine.

@hollowkatt Sorry pal, I had doubts for a hot minute. RIP. GOAT.

Meanwhile,

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

assuming that's when Manny voted. Which places Chelsea's Guillo vote in the poll somewhere between these two

Manny votes Guillo @ 3:32, Guillo votes Chelsea @ 3:36 and then dips for the rest of the day, all of Chelsea's Guillo posts happen between 3:16 and 3:49, then two OT posts at 4:35 and then 5:22 or so. Raskol votes Guillo at 6:11

Guillo peaced out and went into anti-spew during the time when Chelsea was present, Chelsea didn't mark that she voted him, and she herself basically vanished from the thread right after Guillo did without marking down ITT that she voted for him

curiouser and curiouser

[Inawordyes]

Okay going to actually mostly veg out and eu4 for a bit here

I LOVE EU4

[Sabiplz]

How tf did Zeus out post me

[Sabiplz]

I spent one evening listening to music and miss out on top posting

[Sabiplz]

What is the Schiav thing I kept seeing

[Sabiplz]

Town:

Me
WWA
Snowy
Dz ()

Not town:
Daughter
Colin
Le petit

Chelsea - null

Everyone else????

[Inawordyes]

im going sleep, I think I outted bad mech w/e dont think it helps much

[8] Guillotine: Schiavetto, Sabiplz, Valentine, LordQuas, Manny, Chelsea, Le petit poussin, nutella
[3] Cape90: risiinq-, Creature, WindwardAway
[3] Creature: Mungbean, DeeZees, falcon45ca
[2] Valentine: IBA, ColinIsCool
[1] Chelsea: Guillotine
[1] DeeZees: DaughterOfOmega
[1] Le petit poussin: TheFloyd73
[1] LordQuas: Inawordyes
[1] Mungbean: Cape90

agree re busters, they did not try to save guillo at all.

Potential other lunches were Creature/Cape. Creature I still think could be wolf, and Cape's voters have two town imo.

Oh worth saying here, if we think the bus plan was in action do we think he ditches a vote with Chelsea like that who then votes him? Kinda wanna clear her for that

When did Guillo vote Chelsea? Before or after his wagon started gaining traction?

potential mess w/ the colors, but my current thoughts. I know I'm town, Wind I believe is town atm, Manny's point about Val getting all the flak while Guillo was encountering resistance is classic "Mafia on D1 push to save a scumbuddy and target a townie on unstable footing while nobody has any info to call them out for it", so Val is probably town. Chelsea I have concerns about, Mung I have concerns about, Colin is 3P

The fact that there wasn't much resistance to Guillo at the end + him peacing out does indicate he probably was bussed, so it's not impossible for Cape and/or Creature to have been pure wagons. That makes me throw a side-eye at Raskol, as the other player besides Chelsea (and Nutella who's dead and confirmed town) to vote for Guillo after Guillo went into anti-spew

[IBA]

If I were going to bus a teammate, it wouldn't be the extra kill godfather. Just saying.