Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[Seanzie]

I mean there was no harm in letting Alison mechanically do something if they could
Nanook was being Nanook for no reason
What could have been the worst thing that could have happened with allowing Alison to get their bonus

There could have been a lot of harm, and honestly I kind of thought about voting Alison as well in an attempt to reduce swing.

[dyachei]

@dyachei

what i answered you already

[MacDougall]

mac if that were the case why wouldnt you be a prime suspect? you made a lot of noise about not wanting to come off the wagon you were on and then switched to aro anyway

I plausibly should be a prime suspect if you were to only analyse my play for that reason. I think the sum of the rest of my play evidences that I was nothing more than a town that made a poor decision though.

Could you please attempt to humour my question and provide a substantive answer?

[Millium]

I veto the aro was voted to save me thought process
I just want to get that out there

but you could have just killed me, and you'd at least know the general thread consensus on me was wrong
I dont hate your reasoning for doing it Mac, given I belive you really thought they were wolfy, and thought they could just be trying to get me mislynched
thinking about that though, I can understand why you wouldn't want Porscha to get strung up early

[Alison]

outting means very little coming from your mouth

I see no shred of evidence presented and your opinion is therefore ignored. You have been scumsiding all game tbh.

I don't really tend to write evidence
but you can pretend that u didn't get pissed off because someone hurt ur feelings by calling you a wolf
that's how I remember ur posting. "You are outting being pushing sus on me especially when I am not around"
which the latter will always be irrelevant

also #skillissue

I think there is exactly one person between the two of us who is being antagonistic and who has their feelings hurt and it is not me.

You are free to interpret my actions however you like, and I am free to interpret yours. I interpret you as being either mafia or a scumsiding town and I'm currently leaning towards the latter but keeping the former as a possibility in view. You have blatantly and intentionally misreprsented everything I say and refused to listen to reasoning or to provide evidence for your claims. Therefore you are acting in bad faith. So... that is how I will treat you, as a slot to be played around. It's very hard to respect the opinions of someone who self voted and ATE'd.

[dyachei]

mac if that were the case why wouldnt you be a prime suspect? you made a lot of noise about not wanting to come off the wagon you were on and then switched to aro anyway

I plausibly should be a prime suspect if you were to only analyse my play for that reason. I think the sum of the rest of my play evidences that I was nothing more than a town that made a poor decision though.

Could you please attempt to humour my question and provide a substantive answer?

tell me who was on the wagon at EOd because i dont want to go searching for the info

[ilario]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

yeah, since i cant get tilg im trying to figure out who i want most from ender,neon + (redacted)

[Millium]

I mean there was no harm in letting Alison mechanically do something if they could
Nanook was being Nanook for no reason
What could have been the worst thing that could have happened with allowing Alison to get their bonus

There could have been a lot of harm, and honestly I kind of thought about voting Alison as well in an attempt to reduce swing.

what does that even mean
"There could" is a big assumption, of which I doubt this game has crazy lvls of swing, especially given flavor and roles are completely randomized

[MacDougall]

Day 1 votecount

Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario

[santygrass]

porchas posts have been decent today

people keep saying this, how so?

seems like theyre trying to solve, reaction to mac seems town

@ilario you think that if Tilg is a wolf both Millium and Porscha are also town? Like, their attitide in EoD to me seemed like hesitant to take a side? If it makes sense so I want to know your take on that

[Millium]

mac if that were the case why wouldnt you be a prime suspect? you made a lot of noise about not wanting to come off the wagon you were on and then switched to aro anyway

I plausibly should be a prime suspect if you were to only analyse my play for that reason. I think the sum of the rest of my play evidences that I was nothing more than a town that made a poor decision though.

Could you please attempt to humour my question and provide a substantive answer?

tell me who was on the wagon at EOd because i dont want to go searching for the info

this is why I miss MU sometimes

[Alison]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

yeah, since i cant get tilg im trying to figure out who i want most from ender,neon + (redacted)

I'm down for Tilg. Aro had Ender in never kill tier and I want to respect his reads.

[VOTE: Tilg] aubergine

[ilario]

no way im voting Santy, he is one of my strongest town leans

can u explain why?

[EnderWiggin]

I am not sure what to make of Seven suddenly posting One Piece gifs.

[ilario]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

yeah, since i cant get tilg im trying to figure out who i want most from ender,neon + (redacted)

I'm down for Tilg. Aro had Ender in never kill tier and I want to respect his reads.

[VOTE: Tilg] aubergine

oh wtf how can u vote him? i couldnt see him in the poll earlier

[Seanzie]

seanzie why did you do a 180 on millium yesterday? was it just for reactions?

@Seanzie

No. Have you read everything? (it's okay if you haven't, just curious/trying to put your question in perspective)

i have but I might not be remembering something related to this. I just remember you calling out alison

You are right, you did answer me.

I got a bit sus of Millium after my spat with Santy as I kind of felt like Millium was possibly trying to egg on a tvt spat, and had a weird attack retract that I didn't like.

I also hd bad feelz about the Porscha wagon, but I don't think I ever expressed that out loud.

[Alison]

While attempting to vote Tilg I realized that there is no Tilgarial on the poll.

[Alison]

Is this intentional?

[Alison]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

yeah, since i cant get tilg im trying to figure out who i want most from ender,neon + (redacted)

I'm down for Tilg. Aro had Ender in never kill tier and I want to respect his reads.

[VOTE: Tilg] aubergine

oh wtf how can u vote him? i couldnt see him in the poll earlier

Yeah I went up to vote him and realized I couldn't. wtf.

[MacDougall]

I think it is pertinent to analyse the Arogame voters to assess the sincerity of their vote reasoning. I think it is highly likely a wolf can be found from showing an illogical progression on voting Arogame. One that perhaps showed TMI earlier in the piece that he was town, and were too easily persuaded to vote on him from their perspective.

[dyachei]

Day 1 votecount

Arogame (9): Lily, Seanzie, Alison, Dya, SPF, Santy, Neon, Mac, Tigarial
Millium (5): Cham, Porscha, Belzy, Arogame, Millium
Cham (2): Rondo, Ender
Alison (1): Nanook
Porscha (1): Ilario

I think seanzie, alison, neon, and tilg are most suspicious. I think tilg maybe less than the others because the pile on at that point would probably be something mafia would avoid. Seanzie's actions all game have really confused me but I think he's probably played more games with aro on TS where aro is apparently revered.

alison is good at pushing her agenda when she has one.

[EnderWiggin]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

yeah, since i cant get tilg im trying to figure out who i want most from ender,neon + (redacted)

Do you think there's no chance that Porscha is wolf?

[Alison]

Gonna assume it's a really annoying role ability unless/until host clarifies it was a mistake.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

yeah, since i cant get tilg im trying to figure out who i want most from ender,neon + (redacted)

I'm down for Tilg. Aro had Ender in never kill tier and I want to respect his reads.

[VOTE: Tilg] aubergine

oh wtf how can u vote him? i couldnt see him in the poll earlier

This is a very dubious post.

[Millium]

outting means very little coming from your mouth

I see no shred of evidence presented and your opinion is therefore ignored. You have been scumsiding all game tbh.

I don't really tend to write evidence
but you can pretend that u didn't get pissed off because someone hurt ur feelings by calling you a wolf
that's how I remember ur posting. "You are outting being pushing sus on me especially when I am not around"
which the latter will always be irrelevant

also #skillissue

I think there is exactly one person between the two of us who is being antagonistic and who has their feelings hurt and it is not me.

You are free to interpret my actions however you like, and I am free to interpret yours. I interpret you as being either mafia or a scumsiding town and I'm currently leaning towards the latter but keeping the former as a possibility in view. You have blatantly and intentionally misreprsented everything I say and refused to listen to reasoning or to provide evidence for your claims. Therefore you are acting in bad faith. So... that is how I will treat you, as a slot to be played around. It's very hard to respect the opinions of someone who self voted and ATE'd.

im being antganistic? lmao that's cute
There was no ATE, I have never once thought, "im gunna yell at the thread to appeal", despite your hatred for any bit of emotion in a game, which is bound to happen
I saw my train, I was busy, and didn't want to have to think about it, your fair to read that however I guess. But I also thought EoD was a lot closer than it was, I had no idea we still had 5 hours left

anyways I gotta raid (lol), so ill be around

[MacDougall]

Gonna assume it's a really annoying role ability unless/until host clarifies it was a mistake.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

I should hope you have a good reason for this vote.

[Alison]

I think it is pertinent to analyse the Arogame voters to assess the sincerity of their vote reasoning. I think it is highly likely a wolf can be found from showing an illogical progression on voting Arogame. One that perhaps showed TMI earlier in the piece that he was town, and were too easily persuaded to vote on him from their perspective.

Under this perspective you should have me as the most innocent Arogame voter since you had the exact same progression as I did (and I posted mine earlier so you know I'm not just copying you), as well as clearly having no TMI on Arogame since I had him as suspicious all game.

[Millium]

Gonna assume it's a really annoying role ability unless/until host clarifies it was a mistake.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

what do u mean, what did I miss?

[EnderWiggin]

If Tilg is wolf with unvotable powers I would turbo Illario tbh.

[Alison]

Tilgarial is not an option in the poll

[MacDougall]

Given the "trichotomy" presented on Tilgarial/SPF/Arogame earlier in the day yesterday, and given the legacies in place, and given Tilgarial's vote, and given Tilgarial is off the poll, I think it is very reasonable to assume that Tilgarial is very very likely just mafia.

[santygrass]

Has anyone have a confident read on Rondo?

I dont feel like studying so Im going to procastinate and try to develop some reads

[Millium]

If Tilg is wolf with unvotable powers I would turbo Illario tbh.

what do u mean, what does that have to do with Illario

[Alison]

Gonna assume it's a really annoying role ability unless/until host clarifies it was a mistake.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

I should hope you have a good reason for this vote.

My reason is that I thought Belzy was obvious town at first and she has coasted on that read ever since and done hardly anything, and one of SPF's last thoughts before she was killed in the night was that Belzy was kinda sus and the rest of the game just isn't seeing it.

[santygrass]

Also, I think that Seven is probably town and I hate that I cant explain why

[ilario]

ftr im going to veto hard against any pushes on porcha,seven, santy, dya, nook, alison today. do i think this grouping is pure? probably not. but i think theres probably only 1 mafia here, 2 if we are very lucky but probably more like just 1 but worst case 0. but i think if we solve in this grouping we are most likely gonna spend a lot of days hitting villas only to maybe find a wolf after 3-4 days. its not efficient and game-losing play.

[dyachei]

Has anyone have a confident read on Rondo?

I dont feel like studying so Im going to procastinate and try to develop some reads

idk how to read rondo in like any game ever

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[VOTE: Illario] aubergine

[ilario]

anyways gtg

[MacDougall]

I think it is pertinent to analyse the Arogame voters to assess the sincerity of their vote reasoning. I think it is highly likely a wolf can be found from showing an illogical progression on voting Arogame. One that perhaps showed TMI earlier in the piece that he was town, and were too easily persuaded to vote on him from their perspective.

Under this perspective you should have me as the most innocent Arogame voter since you had the exact same progression as I did (and I posted mine earlier so you know I'm not just copying you), as well as clearly having no TMI on Arogame since I had him as suspicious all game.

That may be so, but you provably have a talent for being able to see when town are being scummy the way that I would read them based on our history together. So I am cautious of giving you too much credit for it. And you seem to care more about convincing me that you are not mafia, than you do finding mafia.

[Alison]

im being antganistic? lmao that's cute
There was no ATE, I have never once thought, "im gunna yell at the thread to appeal", despite your hatred for any bit of emotion in a game, which is bound to happen
I saw my train, I was busy, and didn't want to have to think about it, your fair to read that however I guess. But I also thought EoD was a lot closer than it was, I had no idea we still had 5 hours left

anyways I gotta raid (lol), so ill be around

You ATE'd out the ass and I wasn't the only one who called it ATE either. You can deny it if you want but that is how I and many others in the game saw it.

[santygrass]

Also Allison shouldnt be the yeet today but wowee

@Chamomile are you willing to work with me in another look out lf there? How do you feel voting with nanook and ender there?

[ilario]

Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

how do you figure

Because his push on me sucked.

Also because I am now open to the possibility of Chamomile being town and if that is true then Ender has been doing nothing but opportunistically pushing town all game while letting other people take the fall for it, and also just having bad content in general (which I scumread him for earlier).

yeah, since i cant get tilg im trying to figure out who i want most from ender,neon + (redacted)

Do you think there's no chance that Porscha is wolf?

i wouldnt say 0 but there posting is a lot better than a lot of trainwreck slots today that are getting 0 attention

[Millium]

I cant really recall who would target Tilgarial, so I can only presume he targeted himself

[Alison]

I think it is pertinent to analyse the Arogame voters to assess the sincerity of their vote reasoning. I think it is highly likely a wolf can be found from showing an illogical progression on voting Arogame. One that perhaps showed TMI earlier in the piece that he was town, and were too easily persuaded to vote on him from their perspective.

Under this perspective you should have me as the most innocent Arogame voter since you had the exact same progression as I did (and I posted mine earlier so you know I'm not just copying you), as well as clearly having no TMI on Arogame since I had him as suspicious all game.

That may be so, but you provably have a talent for being able to see when town are being scummy the way that I would read them based on our history together. So I am cautious of giving you too much credit for it. And you seem to care more about convincing me that you are not mafia, than you do finding mafia.

Yeah because I have my solve already and none of them are active and none of the people active are being scummy enough so I see no reason to change my reads.

Thus I move onto talking to other town and getting them on the same page as me.

[EnderWiggin]

If Tilg is wolf with unvotable powers I would turbo Illario tbh.

what do u mean, what does that have to do with Illario

Illario's whole "Tilg is definitely mafia! Wait wtf I can't vote them in the poll?" Feels performative, and if it's a mafia role I would hazard that it's w/w.

[ilario]

I think it is pertinent to analyse the Arogame voters to assess the sincerity of their vote reasoning. I think it is highly likely a wolf can be found from showing an illogical progression on voting Arogame. One that perhaps showed TMI earlier in the piece that he was town, and were too easily persuaded to vote on him from their perspective.

what a nonsense post. tilg and neon already outed themselves with their aro progression, what game are u reading?

[Alison]

I cant really recall who would target Tilgarial, so I can only presume he targeted himself

I would, I had a strong townread on him yesterday, but it can't be me since Nanook "roleblocked" me.

[dyachei]

mac are you gonna respond? im about to log off for the night

[Seanzie]

I mean there was no harm in letting Alison mechanically do something if they could
Nanook was being Nanook for no reason
What could have been the worst thing that could have happened with allowing Alison to get their bonus

There could have been a lot of harm, and honestly I kind of thought about voting Alison as well in an attempt to reduce swing.

what does that even mean
"There could" is a big assumption, of which I doubt this game has crazy lvls of swing, especially given flavor and roles are completely randomized

I am weirded out by your push here. Multiple people have expressed a contrary opinion to yours, but your "what does that even mean" suggests that you aren't even willing to entertain the fact that someone could hold that contrary opinion in earnest.

Controlling variables is a powerful technique that tends to win games. If you're behind, then yeah, throw caution to the wind, but if you're not, then play conservatively.

What if Alison is scum who gets a vig shot if they aren't voted for? Aren't you the least bit wary of Alison's claim that she can clear herself... oh but only sometimes...? You don't need to imagine crazy amounts of swing to understand the benefit of controlling the situation and reducing unknowns. The fact that you seem to blindly trust Alison though is pretty telling.