Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[EnderWiggin]

I find it funny that you're sussing me Alison when outside you a good majority of my poe has lined up with yours

[MacDougall]

Alison is mafia. 100%. Just like. Never town.

[Tilgarial]

current votes

Alison - Ender, cham, santy, neon, nanook
cham - dya
dya - mac
milly - sean
rondo - illario, rondo
santy - alison

I don't think very much had changed about this before she made the legacy post

[Alison]

how many ppl were voting Alison when Alison made the post?

5. I actually list them and go through them in the post.

I wrote most of it when I thought it was 2 hours to EOD, but about 3/4 of the way through Dizzy interrupted and said the deadline is actually in 24 hours from now. That's why it's written as though I'm already dead even though it's only halfway through the day.

[MacDougall]

"Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game."

This is so inaccurate and phony that it makes me suspicious of Santygrass being partners.

[Alison]

Alison is mafia. 100%. Just like. Never town.

Sure thing.

You gonna sheep my legacy if I flip green? That's all I care about atp. I believe I have done enough to out the mafia team.

[Alison]

"Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game."

This is so inaccurate and phony that it makes me suspicious of Santygrass being partners.

It is the most accurate description of Santygrass' play this game.

[MacDougall]

Santygrass spent the majority of the game shielding you while you sussed him and had to be persuaded to turn around on you and did so by deep diving your iso.

You're just a wolf.

[MacDougall]

"Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game."

This is so inaccurate and phony that it makes me suspicious of Santygrass being partners.

It is the most accurate description of Santygrass' play this game.

No it is literally not. Any arbitrary check of Santy's iso can tell you that.

[Alison]

Santygrass spent the majority of the game shielding you while you sussed him and had to be persuaded to turn around on you and did so by deep diving your iso.

You're just a wolf.

He shielded me earlier today which I don't care about.

I am referring to his later attacks on me.

[Alison]

"Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game."

This is so inaccurate and phony that it makes me suspicious of Santygrass being partners.

It is the most accurate description of Santygrass' play this game.

No it is literally not. Any arbitrary check of Santy's iso can tell you that.

So what happens when I flip green Mac? Are you going to put your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and go "I guess Alison was trolling"? Or are you going to listen to me and vote Santy out?

[Alison]

Like you can talk all you want about me being a wolf. My wagon is warm and cozy and you are invited to join it. I only care about what happens after I die because my current only concern is that you people will not listen to my legacy after I flip.

You willing to sit here and give a hard promise that you'll sheep me if I flip green?

[MacDougall]

"Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game."

This is so inaccurate and phony that it makes me suspicious of Santygrass being partners.

It is the most accurate description of Santygrass' play this game.

No it is literally not. Any arbitrary check of Santy's iso can tell you that.

So what happens when I flip green Mac? Are you going to put your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and go "I guess Alison was trolling"? Or are you going to listen to me and vote Santy out?

Let's move the point of the conversation back to the pertinent which is you completely lying about Santy. Saying he's the architect of your wagon when he was your primary defender for the first 75% of this game and you were being touted as a poe suspect by everyone before he read your iso and changed his tune.

Let's talk about facts such as the fact that you are just making things up to push an agenda.

Let's talk about actual posts and the actual game instead of trying to manipulate me with posts like this.

[MacDougall]

Santygrass spent the majority of the game shielding you while you sussed him and had to be persuaded to turn around on you and did so by deep diving your iso.

You're just a wolf.

He shielded me earlier today which I don't care about.

I am referring to his later attacks on me.

Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game.

[Lilypetal]

Apparently Porscha is getting cop checked by Lily tonight so we should at least wait until D3.

I thought it was a dayphase thing?

@Lilypetal tonight mech or today mech?

night

[Alison]

Ok Mac. You got me. Congrats. Vote me, flip me.

What do you do after I flip green? Answer the question.

[Alison]

Santygrass spent the majority of the game shielding you while you sussed him and had to be persuaded to turn around on you and did so by deep diving your iso.

You're just a wolf.

He shielded me earlier today which I don't care about.

I am referring to his later attacks on me.

Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game.

You are nitpicking hyperbole now. Please. This is embarassing.

[Alison]

Look the way I see it is simple. If you are 100% sure on me being a wolf then you should have no problems with voting me out today and issuing a hard unbreakable promise to immediately turbo Santy at the first available opportunity (barring detours to kill a red checked Porscha or similar).

If I am wolf there is no harm to making this promise.

If I am town I am definitely right on Santy.

True or false?

[MacDougall]

"EnderWiggin has done absolutely nothing that is townie but Aro shielded him so I guess he can live for a while more. But he has a pretty bad track record reads wise so I'd say he's on thin ice and should be made to do townie things."

This is also a debunked myth. Ender tried to make this argument himself earlier and couldn't pull quotes to back it up.

So you're pushing a lie Ender said one time to tie yourself in knots to justify a townread on someone who I just saw say "I got what I needed from pushing Alison" after you crumbled into a well of lied and ate.

Ender is now your partner. Thanks for outing him.

[MacDougall]

I'll thank you for the cham 3p read and remove them from my scum poe.

[Alison]

"EnderWiggin has done absolutely nothing that is townie but Aro shielded him so I guess he can live for a while more. But he has a pretty bad track record reads wise so I'd say he's on thin ice and should be made to do townie things."

This is also a debunked myth. Ender tried to make this argument himself earlier and couldn't pull quotes to back it up.

So you're pushing a lie Ender said one time to tie yourself in knots to justify a townread on someone who I just saw say "I got what I needed from pushing Alison" after you crumbled into a well of lied and ate.

Ender is now your partner. Thanks for outing him.

He was on Aro's never kill list.

But also you need to stop going on about dumb shit and just say yes to the promise. It's a simple promise. Nothing to be lost from it if I am scum, in fact if I am you are committing yourself to killing me. So say yes. In front of everyone. Promise that you will sheep my legacy if I flip town.

[MacDougall]

I retract my Belzy shield entirely.

[MacDougall]

Santygrass spent the majority of the game shielding you while you sussed him and had to be persuaded to turn around on you and did so by deep diving your iso.

You're just a wolf.

He shielded me earlier today which I don't care about.

I am referring to his later attacks on me.

Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game.

You are nitpicking hyperbole now. Please. This is embarassing.

Calling out lies. In MY mafia game? How dare your nitpick hyperbole.

[MacDougall]

"EnderWiggin has done absolutely nothing that is townie but Aro shielded him so I guess he can live for a while more. But he has a pretty bad track record reads wise so I'd say he's on thin ice and should be made to do townie things."

This is also a debunked myth. Ender tried to make this argument himself earlier and couldn't pull quotes to back it up.

So you're pushing a lie Ender said one time to tie yourself in knots to justify a townread on someone who I just saw say "I got what I needed from pushing Alison" after you crumbled into a well of lied and ate.

Ender is now your partner. Thanks for outing him.

He was on Aro's never kill list.

But also you need to stop going on about dumb shit and just say yes to the promise. It's a simple promise. Nothing to be lost from it if I am scum, in fact if I am you are committing yourself to killing me. So say yes. In front of everyone. Promise that you will sheep my legacy if I flip town.

Your legacy is so fraudulent in logic that if I were to agree to it simply because you are you when your arguments are predicated on inaccuracies I would be a moron.

If you flip town I will consider this your worst ever game and ignore it.

[Alison]

So Mac is mafia. I see.

[MacDougall]

The last sanctuary of the dying Mafioso. Omgus.

[Alison]

Town Mac would have absolutely no issues with simply agreeing to sheep my legacy here because he would know from long experience that Alison is most likely to have a game winning solve when she is consensus top suspect.

It beggars belief that me saying "the entire game" instead of "D2" hyperbolically would be enough to change his mind on it.

My legacy is now amended to have Mac as the top mafia suspect. Next.

[Alison]

Town Mac would have absolutely no issues with simply agreeing to sheep my legacy here because he would know from long experience that Alison is most likely to have a game winning solve when she is consensus top suspect.

It beggars belief that me saying "the entire game" instead of "D2" hyperbolically would be enough to change his mind on it.

My legacy is now amended to have Mac as the top mafia suspect. Next.

Eh I change my mind, Santy should still go first. Mac is still in the bottom POE for this though.

[MacDougall]

Have you read d2 in full?

[Alison]

New legacy summary:

Strong mafia are Santy, Neon, Tilgarial, Porscha, Mac.
Towncore is Lily, Seanzie, Illario*

*Illario falls out of towncore if flips show that I am wrong about too many reads.

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This should be game winning.

[Alison]

Have you read d2 in full?

I have not. Do you think that the pages I missed while asleep will change my read on you being mafia for refusing to sheep my legacy when you always do as town? Like I am not even asking you to trust me while I am alive, I am asking you to trust me when I am flipped PR and expressing extreme confidence in a POE.

[MacDougall]

Cool I'll vote myself for u.

[MacDougall]

Have you read d2 in full?

I have not. Do you think that the pages I missed while asleep will change my read on you being mafia for refusing to sheep my legacy when you always do as town? Like I am not even asking you to trust me while I am alive, I am asking you to trust me when I am flipped PR and expressing extreme confidence in a POE.

Trust someone pushing hard solves with incorrect facts who hasn't read the game because they flip green?

Neon.

[MacDougall]

nein*

[Chamomile]

Oh deadline not today!

Would be cool off dyachei dis something!

Like how sanji cooks in one piece

[Lilypetal]

neon

[Alison]

Ok so if you see me flip green then you'll know that me saying "the entire game" was hyperbole instead of me trying to peddle lies.

Thus... does that change anything about your thought on how accurate or fact-based my legacy is?

Or do you think that it is more likely that a town Alison just decides to stand there and spew out absolute nonsense for no reason? Which do you think is more likely Mac? Which of us has a clearer view on the genuineness of the people pushing me?

[santygrass]

Santygrass spent the majority of the game shielding you while you sussed him and had to be persuaded to turn around on you and did so by deep diving your iso.

You're just a wolf.

He shielded me earlier today which I don't care about.

I am referring to his later attacks on me.

Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game.

Smh you got it before me. And Alison entirely know that wasnt true because I highlited that earlier today and she answered to it. So Alison wasmisrepping fully concious there and in purpose. I can go and look it up tbh

[santygrass]

*tbh but Idk how necessary is that

[Alison]

Have you read d2 in full?

I have not. Do you think that the pages I missed while asleep will change my read on you being mafia for refusing to sheep my legacy when you always do as town? Like I am not even asking you to trust me while I am alive, I am asking you to trust me when I am flipped PR and expressing extreme confidence in a POE.

Trust someone pushing hard solves with incorrect facts who hasn't read the game because they flip green?

Neon.

Well I tried everything I could to help you get there. If you're town this is on your head. But I think Occam's Razor is that you are just mafia and trying to avoid committing to a solve that kills your entire team.

If town collectively ignores my legacy then this is on their heads.

It's not my problem any more. Bye.

[Alison]

I am personally looking forward to seeing how Santy comes into D3. My personal bet is that he'll come in and use lines like "nobody can be blamed for voting Alison, she was scummy af" and/or "meh maybe skill issue but I guess we're all wrong sometimes". And try to act like Spiritfarer. But of course he might well switch it up now that I have called it out.

Right now I think it's 75% going to be the Spiritfarer approach, 20% going to be some other approach like pretending to be sorry and promising to sheep the rest of my solve, and 5% that he'll just realize he's outed and openwolf the whole day.

What do you guys think?

[santygrass]

When you are town and assume that you are dead, you dont lie about stuff or try to 'hyperbole' stuff to try to help town.

So yeah, your legacy should be fully ignored because it is clear that is tainted

[santygrass]

I will 100% clown your wolfgame hmmyes

[santygrass]

If y'all leave me alive after all the antisoew you have done of course

[Lilypetal]

if alison flips villager i will vote santy

[Alison]

When you are town and assume that you are dead, you dont lie about stuff or try to 'hyperbole' stuff to try to help town.

So yeah, your legacy should be fully ignored because it is clear that is tainted

Weird. Don't you think I'm 100% going to flip red?

Shouldn't my legacy be ignored because it comes from a player that has flipped red, as opposed to being tainted by hyperbole or whatever?

You seem eager to discredit it in the scenario that I flip green despite projecting 100% confidence that I am mafia.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

also, I had a sudden bout of regret for not doing it when I thought day was ending soon, so lets do it!

premise:
mafia chose to take away your choice to vote me.
this is likely for reasons people have said and that I think sound reasonable!
you don't like that. I don't like that either.
so let's do a little thing:
I wanna make myself a focus for the day by force!

let's divide thread into two sides.
Team Let's-Ml-Tilga-D3
and Team Let's-Not-Do-That

fun thing?
you can't exe me today anyways, so it doesn't matter too much which side you choose.
this is about reasoning & making yourself readable, and about not letting mafia choose what town does or doesn't get to do.

so to that effect, what I want from you is:

- Pick a side. either is fine.

- Explain why you picked the side you did. am I sus, why? am I not sus enough, why? am I town, why?

- Don't forget that you'll have to vote somebody out in 28 hours. you're welcome to use this and people's reasoning for that, but keep in mind it's not about which side people chose, it's about the reasoning they provide. town can be wrong, and mafia can be right!

- let's have fun. I'll be honest, I kinda enjoy this situation, even though this is most likely a super ego play right here. And regardless of what side you're on, we're currently playing a game together, so I hope you all are having fun too!

@Alison
@Belzy
@Chamomile
@dyachei
@EnderWiggin
@ilario
@Lilypetal
@MacDougall
@Millium
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Neon
@Porscha
@RondoDimBuckle
@santygrass
@Seanzie

ask me questions, chopose a side!
I'll be doing my best to get answers to any questions you have for me, even if I do not currently have them, so ask away. ask what you need to make your choice, ask what you want to know.
I firmly believe this is a pro-town move, even if I end up being the D3 exe.
Thank you for participating!

Pass

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am personally looking forward to seeing how Santy comes into D3. My personal bet is that he'll come in and use lines like "nobody can be blamed for voting Alison, she was scummy af" and/or "meh maybe skill issue but I guess we're all wrong sometimes". And try to act like Spiritfarer. But of course he might well switch it up now that I have called it out.

Right now I think it's 75% going to be the Spiritfarer approach, 20% going to be some other approach like pretending to be sorry and promising to sheep the rest of my solve, and 5% that he'll just realize he's outed and openwolf the whole day.

What do you guys think?

I think if you flip green he'll just hard pivot back into pushing me lol

[Alison]

I am personally looking forward to seeing how Santy comes into D3. My personal bet is that he'll come in and use lines like "nobody can be blamed for voting Alison, she was scummy af" and/or "meh maybe skill issue but I guess we're all wrong sometimes". And try to act like Spiritfarer. But of course he might well switch it up now that I have called it out.

Right now I think it's 75% going to be the Spiritfarer approach, 20% going to be some other approach like pretending to be sorry and promising to sheep the rest of my solve, and 5% that he'll just realize he's outed and openwolf the whole day.

What do you guys think?

I think if you flip green he'll just hard pivot back into pushing me lol

Push him back if he does, ty.

[Alison]

By the way if you don't buy my argument that town Mac would never ignore my legacy you could instead buy the argument that town Mac would not exe town Aro -> town Alison while defending scum Santy.