Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[dyachei]

I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.

I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.

what if alison is town?

They arent.

If they flip green totally murderize me

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

ew

You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today

Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?

It's part of how I'm trying to solve him

yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks

asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous

just stop talking to me if you're gonna be like this. I can't believe alison said earlier you can take people disagreeing with oyu because I havent seen it this game

[Chamomile]

I agree with Seven.
Porscha as a wolf would likely be always outed even if they arent the yeet today. W!Porscha isn even posting rn.

I think any team would see as the better yeet now if Porscha/Alison is w/w f.e.

what if alison is town?

They arent.

If they flip green totally murderize me

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

ew

You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today

Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?

It's part of how I'm trying to solve him

yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks

asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous

wow great analogy my fellow lord

Ya-yo ya-yo set sail for one piece!

[santygrass]

Oh. Nanook.

If Alison is Villa Nanook scum equity goes stonks to the roof

Why does Nook = scum if I am town?

Because I think the way they approached you was scummy, and if you are Villa then spf read on nook might be more right and spf being killed could be because lf it too. Zzzzz

[dyachei]

im trying to read santy on something other than tunneling. god forbid. might as well vote me now

[MacDougall]

what if alison is town?

They arent.

If they flip green totally murderize me

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

ew

You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today

Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?

It's part of how I'm trying to solve him

yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks

asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous

just stop talking to me if you're gonna be like this. I can't believe alison said earlier you can take people disagreeing with oyu because I havent seen it this game

i have like, hardly pushed you all game cuz every time i even remotely do so you resort to posts like this

and then you accuse me of things you're guilty of

you're hilarious

[dyachei]

They arent.

If they flip green totally murderize me

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

ew

You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today

Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?

It's part of how I'm trying to solve him

yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks

asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous

just stop talking to me if you're gonna be like this. I can't believe alison said earlier you can take people disagreeing with oyu because I havent seen it this game

i have like, hardly pushed you all game cuz every time i even remotely do so you resort to posts like this

and then you accuse me of things you're guilty of

you're hilarious

you've been pushing me all day. liar

[MacDougall]

and i complained that you were making me feel like you think im dumb and instead of apologising or showing base level empathy you accused me of ate

crazy times folks

[santygrass]

Alison/Porscha/Tilgarial/Seanzie+1 Is where I am at.

Maybe the last one in Cham/Nook? Ender or Rondo maybe viable but have to reassess

[MacDougall]

no, i want to hear your solve if you're wrong town

ew

You know, I've thought that about some of your posts today

Whats wrong with wanting santy's thoughts on the solve if alison flips v?

It's part of how I'm trying to solve him

yeah you would dislike my posts today given you're blatantly a wolf with alison so that tracks

asking a tunneling town (rightly or wrongly) to theorycraft worlds outside their immediate purview the way that you just did is hilariously asinine... it's like asking an astronomer to argue that the earth is flat in the middle of them debating against a flat earther... it's disingenuous

just stop talking to me if you're gonna be like this. I can't believe alison said earlier you can take people disagreeing with oyu because I havent seen it this game

i have like, hardly pushed you all game cuz every time i even remotely do so you resort to posts like this

and then you accuse me of things you're guilty of

you're hilarious

you've been pushing me all day. liar

i have suspected you all day

i have dedicated very little of my posts to actually pushing you because your volatility every time i due causes emotional reactions in me that i dont like so i have been disinclined to

[dyachei]

and i complained that you were making me feel like you think im dumb and instead of apologising or showing base level empathy you accused me of ate

crazy times folks

gaslighting at its finest. good show

[santygrass]

Dya fwiw for Mac levels, he wasnt pushing you. Sometimes with Mac you have to be more forgiving and understand that the way they play the game is a more aggro one? Idk

[MacDougall]

Alison/Porscha/Tilgarial/Seanzie+1 Is where I am at.

Maybe the last one in Cham/Nook? Ender or Rondo maybe viable but have to reassess

so you have dyachei as town?

[santygrass]

Alison/Porscha/Tilgarial/Seanzie+1 Is where I am at.

Maybe the last one in Cham/Nook? Ender or Rondo maybe viable but have to reassess

so you have dyachei as town?

Not married to the read, but I think is HIGHLY more likely that Sean is a wolf and dya town here

[dyachei]

Dya fwiw for Mac levels, he wasnt pushing you. Sometimes with Mac you have to be more forgiving and understand that the way they play the game is a more aggro one? Idk

just because he hasn't been tunneling me doesnt mean he hasnt been pushing me all day. I'm well aware how aggro he is I just wish he were hoenst with himself instead of blaming me because I'm honestly tired of the bullshit

[Alison]

Oh. Nanook.

If Alison is Villa Nanook scum equity goes stonks to the roof

Why does Nook = scum if I am town?

Because I think the way they approached you was scummy, and if you are Villa then spf read on nook might be more right and spf being killed could be because lf it too. Zzzzz

Why is the way they approached me scummy?

[Alison]

I mean if you compare someone to a flat earth concern troll then its natural they'll get mad

[Chamomile]

Alison/Porscha/Tilgarial/Seanzie+1 Is where I am at.

Maybe the last one in Cham/Nook? Ender or Rondo maybe viable but have to reassess

Yes, because me trying to convince you that Alison was scum at the start of the day is w/w. Also Ilario is for sure a wolf here. It took you a while to catch up on Alison so hopefully you catch up there too.

ya-yo!

grand line!

usop found one piece in his garage while he was cleaning it out to convert into a bedroom so his friend sanzi could stay there while he looked for work as a chef

[santygrass]

Oh. Nanook.

If Alison is Villa Nanook scum equity goes stonks to the roof

Why does Nook = scum if I am town?

Because I think the way they approached you was scummy, and if you are Villa then spf read on nook might be more right and spf being killed could be because lf it too. Zzzzz

Why is the way they approached me scummy?

Denying a claimed self resolvable town role to act is towny Alison?

[santygrass]

Alison/Porscha/Tilgarial/Seanzie+1 Is where I am at.

Maybe the last one in Cham/Nook? Ender or Rondo maybe viable but have to reassess

Yes, because me trying to convince you that Alison was scum at the start of the day is w/w. Also Ilario is for sure a wolf here. It took you a while to catch up on Alison so hopefully you catch up there too.

ya-yo!

grand line!

usop found one piece in his garage while he was cleaning it out to convert into a bedroom so his friend sanzi could stay there while he looked for work as a chef

You're right I have skill Issue sorry. You are prob town too

[Alison]

Oh. Nanook.

If Alison is Villa Nanook scum equity goes stonks to the roof

Why does Nook = scum if I am town?

Because I think the way they approached you was scummy, and if you are Villa then spf read on nook might be more right and spf being killed could be because lf it too. Zzzzz

Why is the way they approached me scummy?

Denying a claimed self resolvable town role to act is towny Alison?

The last time I claimed shit like that I was 3P and killed the whole game. I can see why town nook would do it

[santygrass]

Not specifically for the Alison push tho, I think your approach this day has just been very towny

[MacDougall]

I am leaving before I say something I will regret.

[santygrass]

Oh. Nanook.

If Alison is Villa Nanook scum equity goes stonks to the roof

Why does Nook = scum if I am town?

Because I think the way they approached you was scummy, and if you are Villa then spf read on nook might be more right and spf being killed could be because lf it too. Zzzzz

Why is the way they approached me scummy?

Denying a claimed self resolvable town role to act is towny Alison?

The last time I claimed shit like that I was 3P and killed the whole game. I can see why town nook would do it

That doesnt make it a towny approach.

I tunneled town and killed them as town before. So your push on me now is totally invalid?

[MacDougall]

Dya fwiw for Mac levels, he wasnt pushing you. Sometimes with Mac you have to be more forgiving and understand that the way they play the game is a more aggro one? Idk

just because he hasn't been tunneling me doesnt mean he hasnt been pushing me all day. I'm well aware how aggro he is I just wish he were hoenst with himself instead of blaming me because I'm honestly tired of the bullshit

I think you absolutely should reflect on these words given the way that we have interacted in this game. You seem to have come into this game with a lot of preconceptions and are reading my behaviour with those preconceptions and confirmation biasing my behaviour accordingly. At least, that's the most generous interpretation I can offer you.

And given your standing in the mafia community vs. mine, I think it is reasonable for me to request that of you.

[Alison]

The difference is that one choice is arguably optimal and the other is not

[Alison]

"Given your standing" sounds like a lead up to some dumb allistic social game and im not down for that. Genuinely disturbs me when shit like that gets brought up. Peace

[santygrass]

Blocking you was optimal?

[Alison]

Blocking you was optimal?

I think you can argue blocking me was optimal from his POV, yes

like I'm thinking to myself, let's say i enter a closed setup, there's a player who is well known for doing weird stuff with evil power roles... she gives a way to block her for free, and idk her alignment but kinda sus she's scum. should I take it? Even if she makes a claim she can resolve herself?

I think I wouldn't but I can see a reasonable argument to say yes. By simply reasoning that I don't need her inno child to win the game but I can lose it if she has a powerful evil role.

[santygrass]

Nook had a stated good read on you.

So you are assuming that said player not only misread you, but also went of their way and blocked you and didnt let you clear as town. You not being confirmed is one of the reasons to blame for a V!Alison misyeet . So its really a optimal play in that scenario?

[Chamomile]

I go now. Again I will be V/LA tomorrow the 9th through 13th. Sanzi & Mac I leave this in your hands, don't let Alison wiggle free! Also if I die tonight then I have a red check on Illario and I was buddying and sheeping him today in order to get him to spew townies. Rrrr Mateys! I'm off to the grand line, one piece shall be mine!

[Alison]

Nook had a stated good read on you.

So you are assuming that said player not only misread you, but also went of their way and blocked you and didnt let you clear as town. You not being confirmed is one of the reasons to blame for a V!Alison misyeet . So its really a optimal play in that scenario?

I don't think Nook has a good read on me, and I don't think he realized that blocking me would lead to me being run up today. That particular fact can be laid at your feet.

[santygrass]

Tunneling and lynching you is good if you have an evil and powerful role too. I think thats a reasnable argument too.

Why are you so... Forgiving? With nook perspective but then want me and Cham who also went against you murderized is still weird to me.

[Alison]

Well his read is like >rand but it's not exceptionally good.

[Alison]

Tunneling and lynching you is good if you have an evil and powerful role too. I think thats a reasnable argument too.

Why are you so... Forgiving? With nook perspective but then want me and Cham who also went against you murderized is still weird to me.

Because there's no argument from Cham's perspective that it's optimal. So Nook did an arguably optimal play, and Cham did an inarguably suboptimal play. Big difference. As for you I just think you're mafia for your push. Not about optimal/suboptimal.

[santygrass]

Nook had a stated good read on you.

So you are assuming that said player not only misread you, but also went of their way and blocked you and didnt let you clear as town. You not being confirmed is one of the reasons to blame for a V!Alison misyeet . So its really a optimal play in that scenario?

I don't think Nook has a good read on me, and I don't think he realized that blocking me would lead to me being run up today. That particular fact can be laid at your feet.

If you are Villa it was clearly a -ev move for Villa, and influenced quite a lot on how this day went

[Lilypetal]

btw

PORSCHA SHOULD BE TREATED AS AN OUTED WOLF AT THIS POINT IN TIME DUE TO HER BEING IN ANTISPEW


If you want something to do go ahead and preflip her and analyze spew okay?

[MacDougall]

"Given your standing" sounds like a lead up to some dumb allistic social game and im not down for that. Genuinely disturbs me when shit like that gets brought up. Peace

Dyachei commands respect and issues decrees expecting them to be unilaterally agreed to. I believe that people who have such influecne need to be dutiful in treating people with respect regardless of the sanctity of a mafia game. I feel completely disrespected, discredited and humiliated by the way Dyachei has interracted with me in this game not just because of how they have spoken of me, and what they assume my behaviour to be based on, but because Dyachei is who they are.

I think that when someone informs you that they do not appreciate the way that you are making them feel that to reply by accusing them of being overly emotional would go down poorly in most dynamics, but for some reason here it's apparently acceptable. I do not understand why. When people inform me that I am upsetting them, I make an effort to remedy it. I do not understand why I do not get the same measure of respect.

It would be one thing for some random person to treat me this way, but for Dya to treat someone this way and catch a pass for it does not sit well with me because Dya is a very influential member of the broader mafia community that I spend a lot of time on and it is a specific point of concern that is causing me a great deal of distress right now and I think that the fact we are in a mafia game is perhaps diminishing the obviousness of it.

[Alison]

It's kinda like, let's say someone who's never played with Rondo sees his antics, and they immediately vote him and say "wtf is this guy, he's playing like a jester but its mountainous, im voting him". I wouldn't take issue with that guy. Now if Ender says that suddenly I am suspicious of Ender. Because Ender knows that playing like a jester is NAI for Rondo but the stranger wouldn't have any way to know that.

What is an optimal/reasonable play for them to make is different because they have different info about the player in question. Nook/Cham is a similar situation. It's not difficult.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Blocking you was optimal?

I think you can argue blocking me was optimal from his POV, yes

like I'm thinking to myself, let's say i enter a closed setup, there's a player who is well known for doing weird stuff with evil power roles... she gives a way to block her for free, and idk her alignment but kinda sus she's scum. should I take it? Even if she makes a claim she can resolve herself?

I think I wouldn't but I can see a reasonable argument to say yes. By simply reasoning that I don't need her inno child to win the game but I can lose it if she has a powerful evil role.

Bingo

[Alison]

Nook had a stated good read on you.

So you are assuming that said player not only misread you, but also went of their way and blocked you and didnt let you clear as town. You not being confirmed is one of the reasons to blame for a V!Alison misyeet . So its really a optimal play in that scenario?

I don't think Nook has a good read on me, and I don't think he realized that blocking me would lead to me being run up today. That particular fact can be laid at your feet.

If you are Villa it was clearly a -ev move for Villa, and influenced quite a lot on how this day went

He is still in POE btw, and I said to kill him if he hasn't cleared himself by D5 or whatever.

So I'm not exactly townreading him.

[santygrass]

Tunneling and lynching you is good if you have an evil and powerful role too. I think thats a reasnable argument too.

Why are you so... Forgiving? With nook perspective but then want me and Cham who also went against you murderized is still weird to me.

Because there's no argument from Cham's perspective that it's optimal. So Nook did an arguably optimal play, and Cham did an inarguably suboptimal play. Big difference. As for you I just think you're mafia for your push. Not about optimal/suboptimal.

Nook is an optima play because they had seen you do that before even if they did exactly the same? And Nook committed to it while Cham backed off fwiw.

Like, why cant Cham have similar experience with those type of claims and think it was a optimal play too? Once again you are being very forgiving of nook PoV

[santygrass]

Are there any reasons for you to townread Nanook?

[Alison]

Tunneling and lynching you is good if you have an evil and powerful role too. I think thats a reasnable argument too.

Why are you so... Forgiving? With nook perspective but then want me and Cham who also went against you murderized is still weird to me.

Because there's no argument from Cham's perspective that it's optimal. So Nook did an arguably optimal play, and Cham did an inarguably suboptimal play. Big difference. As for you I just think you're mafia for your push. Not about optimal/suboptimal.

Nook is an optima play because they had seen you do that before even if they did exactly the same? And Nook committed to it while Cham backed off fwiw.

Like, why cant Cham have similar experience with those type of claims and think it was a optimal play too? Once again you are being very forgiving of nook PoV

The only reasonable argument to block me in that situation involves personal experience with me. Simple as.

[dyachei]

I've asked you repeatedly to stop talking to me but you persist.

AtE is also not calling you emotional. Please stop implying that's what I did. Ate means your appealing to my emotions

[santygrass]

It's kinda like, let's say someone who's never played with Rondo sees his antics, and they immediately vote him and say "wtf is this guy, he's playing like a jester but its mountainous, im voting him". I wouldn't take issue with that guy. Now if Ender says that suddenly I am suspicious of Ender. Because Ender knows that playing like a jester is NAI for Rondo but the stranger wouldn't have any way to know that.

What is an optimal/reasonable play for them to make is different because they have different info about the player in question. Nook/Cham is a similar situation. It's not difficult.

Got it. I think your perspective makes sense as to why not wanting to absolute murderize nook.

Tho I dont fully buy why assume that they are town when analyzing nook

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Cause I'm obviously billboard town baby

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

btw

PORSCHA SHOULD BE TREATED AS AN OUTED WOLF AT THIS POINT IN TIME DUE TO HER BEING IN ANTISPEW


If you want something to do go ahead and preflip her and analyze spew okay?

Hard agree

[MacDougall]

Good luck town.

[santygrass]

The slot that has a >rand read on you has been two days in a row persistent in killing you. Even ignoring the whole claim stuff, you giving them a pass doesn't feel... Fair?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Let's all channel aro and make this a good vibes only thread