Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[santygrass]

Well actually, If you think it is a delayed Kill and Mac is claiming to be vig and not that role, then Mac is lying about having Killed Tilg or what?

@EnderWiggin idk how that works

[Lilypetal]

If Alison dies and flips green kill me

What happened to this santy

[MacDougall]

tbh if we mass claim we can probably out the role that removes players from the poll

Their targets don't make me think it's mafia tbhhhhhhh

how is this ever ever ever a real thought?

what kinda town removes belzy and tilgarial from the poll?

thats absolute bullshit... what are you even saying?

I think it's a delayed kill.

Actually read my posts, it helps.

I am a straight shooting town even night Vigilante.

I am not the one who removed Tilgarial from the poll.

Why would I be trying to mass claim to out myself?

[EnderWiggin]

Well actually, If you think it is a delayed Kill and Mac is claiming to be vig and not that role, then Mac is lying about having Killed Tilg or what?

@EnderWiggin idk how that works

Mac lying as town has never happened before and I would be shocked to learn that it is the case.

He would instantly raise to being my highest suspicion and I would forebear all my ill will against him.

(This is a satire post if it wasn't bleeding obvious.)

[santygrass]

If Alison dies and flips green kill me

What happened to this santy

Well actually kill me tbh I dont care for policy purposes. But I am pressuring you about what is your read on me . How does your progression on me go Lily

[EnderWiggin]

tbh if we mass claim we can probably out the role that removes players from the poll

Their targets don't make me think it's mafia tbhhhhhhh

how is this ever ever ever a real thought?

what kinda town removes belzy and tilgarial from the poll?

thats absolute bullshit... what are you even saying?

I think it's a delayed kill.

Actually read my posts, it helps.

I am a straight shooting town even night Vigilante.

I am not the one who removed Tilgarial from the poll.

Why would I be trying to mass claim to out myself?

Idk.

I'll go work it out in wolfchat. brnb

[santygrass]

Well actually like, that just showed how sure I was about Alison being mafia. I am legit surprised you really think I can be scum here Lily tbh .

Are you 3p tbh?

[EnderWiggin]

This wagon formation always kills a wolf.

[MacDougall]

tbh if we mass claim we can probably out the role that removes players from the poll

Nah.

How not?

I'll let you ponder why massclaiming to out a relatively benign power role that isn't clearly mafia is a bad idea.

Nah I'd rather you say it.
Cuz I don't think soup is in this game and mass claiming is optimal if it isn't for a range of reasons.

And that PR is not town.

disagree, and don't see why you'd be confident one way or the other.

because there is zero evidence of it

[MacDougall]

from OP

"Role claiming and character claiming is allowed.
Neither roles or characters are linked to alignment, but randomly distributed among factions.
All kinds of roles may exist, but the game is not considered bastard."

There is no anticlaim in this game because it's designed in a way that roles don't indicate alignment.

But in this case outing the poll remover gives us a mafia because they are never town bases on their actions.

[MacDougall]

Well actually, If you think it is a delayed Kill and Mac is claiming to be vig and not that role, then Mac is lying about having Killed Tilg or what?

@EnderWiggin idk how that works

Mac lying as town has never happened before and I would be shocked to learn that it is the case.

He would instantly raise to being my highest suspicion and I would forebear all my ill will against him.

(This is a satire post if it wasn't bleeding obvious.)

zero utility in lying

[Lilypetal]

If Alison dies and flips green kill me

What happened to this santy

Well actually kill me tbh I dont care for policy purposes. But I am pressuring you about what is your read on me . How does your progression on me go Lily

give me a reason not to kill you, I rly don't need to highlight my progression or give you my full read. If you want to live then show why you are town and explain how you made such a huge blunder

[Lilypetal]

from OP

"Role claiming and character claiming is allowed.
Neither roles or characters are linked to alignment, but randomly distributed among factions.
All kinds of roles may exist, but the game is not considered bastard."

There is no anticlaim in this game because it's designed in a way that roles don't indicate alignment.

But in this case outing the poll remover gives us a mafia because they are never town bases on their actions.

it's most definitely a wolf yeah

[santygrass]

Well actually

Cham / Dyachei / Ender / Nanook / Seanzie . Those are the peeps who dont know nothing about?
But idk if a massclaim would out that role tbh? Like it could be Rondo and lying about their oracle thingy, Neon Claim also could be fake , etc etc

[Lilypetal]

Well actually like, that just showed how sure I was about Alison being mafia. I am legit surprised you really think I can be scum here Lily tbh .

Are you 3p tbh?

why are you surprised? normally when someone fucks up and kills a villager and prior to the villager flipping says "kill me if im wrong" I kind of imagine that when they backtrack and act like they didn't say that it's kind of indicative of them being scum lol

[Lilypetal]

the way mac has acted in regards to Alison's flip is villagery. The way you have acted is devoid of towniness

idk what else to say

[santygrass]

If Alison dies and flips green kill me

What happened to this santy

Well actually kill me tbh I dont care for policy purposes. But I am pressuring you about what is your read on me . How does your progression on me go Lily

give me a reason not to kill you, I rly don't need to highlight my progression or give you my full read. If you want to live then show why you are town and explain how you made such a huge blunder

Well actually. What blunder?
Read your own ISO of me. Read my posts doing th ISO of Alison tbh, which you also Townread and was the principal basis for me to sus Alison, then Alison chose the path of pushing me with lies and hyperboling stuff so I was never finding Alison as town tbh .

I think the way I outed my mech its also super villa wowee, like, I could never be teammates with Belzy/Mac? Tbh . And you can see me asking Tilg stuff about their action to confirm that I really saw that. I hinted mech in relation to Dya/Deanzie because I saw Tilg act on Dya and stuff .

Idk, I think I have been super towny and my stuff checks up /shrug

[Belzy]

This game came at the wrong time for me. I want to help solving but once i go MIA, i am an easy mislim (mislynch is that, right?) But i can never fully catch up

With your role, do you die if you target mafia and only mafia, or do you die if you target any non-town?

I have to target town.

[santygrass]

Well actually I think I said how I would react to Alisom being town and I wont talk much else about it tbh

[santygrass]

Well actually

Lily ain't town huh. Something to figure out later tbh. But that read isnt coming from V!Lily

[MacDougall]

Well actually

Cham / Dyachei / Ender / Nanook / Seanzie . Those are the peeps who dont know nothing about?
But idk if a massclaim would out that role tbh? Like it could be Rondo and lying about their oracle thingy, Neon Claim also could be fake , etc etc

It may not but honestly I don't see the sense in not mass claiming now anyway. We are very far behind and mass claiming in games without anticlaim is always townsided. It's why anticlaim exists.

The objective will be to out the players who cannt verify their roles, have questionable decision making with roles etc.

Frankly based on my experience in games like this that list of names you just wrote likely contains a bunch of wolves anyway cuz wolves are less inclined to claim themselves for obvious reasons.

Closed role madness is a different beast to what ppl are used to. Mass claiming here is strictly pro town. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong or Mafia.

[MacDougall]

Well actually

Lily ain't town huh. Something to figure out later tbh. But that read isnt coming from V!Lily

This is omgus. Town can be scumreading you Santy. Most of the town here are in fact. It's hard not to given the circumstances.

But at this point in time I'm re-evaluating that somehow you, Neon, Lily, Ilario and even Belzy are all town together.

I know the mech points that it can't but... I just have a feeling.

[Lilypetal]

@MacDougall if santy is V who is wolfin

[MacDougall]

Nanook is kinda likely to not claim just because he's a contrarian but I would expect the rest of the unclaimed to understand the utility of the mass claim right now.

[Lilypetal]

i think his responses and especially that omgus is indicative of v!santy even if his play has been wolfsidy

i also think today has been much too quiet? other than the random shade being thrown at rondo it feels like santy's flip is inevitable. Wouldn't be surprised if wolves are sitting pretty

[santygrass]

Well actually

Lily ain't town huh. Something to figure out later tbh. But that read isnt coming from V!Lily

This is omgus. Town can be scumreading you Santy. Most of the town here are in fact. It's hard not to given the circumstances.

But at this point in time I'm re-evaluating that somehow you, Neon, Lily, Ilario and even Belzy are all town together.

I know the mech points that it can't but... I just have a feeling.

Well actually it may seem like that. But go and read how Lily was reading me D1 and D2. I was their ride or die Villa.

And the read does a 360 because my push was Villa? Or because I was annoyed at SoD ? I think it doesnt track the progression there tbh

[Lilypetal]

My question is why does Ilario, who was right on Alison, not tunnel onto santy harder? why is he pushing rondo? lol

[Lilypetal]

Well actually

Lily ain't town huh. Something to figure out later tbh. But that read isnt coming from V!Lily

This is omgus. Town can be scumreading you Santy. Most of the town here are in fact. It's hard not to given the circumstances.

But at this point in time I'm re-evaluating that somehow you, Neon, Lily, Ilario and even Belzy are all town together.

I know the mech points that it can't but... I just have a feeling.

Well actually it may seem like that. But go and read how Lily was reading me D1 and D2. I was their ride or die Villa.

And the read does a 360 because my push was Villa? Or because I was annoyed at SoD ? I think it doesnt track the progression there tbh

i was giving u a hard time rn on purpose dumby

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall if santy is V who is wolfin

Well I've largely been suspicious of Millium, dya... tinfoiled ilario a lot. Ender has been super townie but has no claim and hasn't attracted much negative attention. Seanzie is not townie. Like its a pretty dumb question in the context cuz I'm just trying to ignore the mech atm and when I do that everyone is in their wolfrange still.

[santygrass]

Well actually , like Lily you even said to Allison that you would vote me if they were Villa yesterday or something like that. Have you read Allison reasons to push me or agreed to any of them?

[Lilypetal]

your entitlement shows you're town i think

[MacDougall]

Well actually

Lily ain't town huh. Something to figure out later tbh. But that read isnt coming from V!Lily

This is omgus. Town can be scumreading you Santy. Most of the town here are in fact. It's hard not to given the circumstances.

But at this point in time I'm re-evaluating that somehow you, Neon, Lily, Ilario and even Belzy are all town together.

I know the mech points that it can't but... I just have a feeling.

Well actually it may seem like that. But go and read how Lily was reading me D1 and D2. I was their ride or die Villa.

And the read does a 360 because my push was Villa? Or because I was annoyed at SoD ? I think it doesnt track the progression there tbh

You do understand that there is a perception you are possibly outed via claim right?

[Lilypetal]

@MacDougall if santy is V who is wolfin

Well I've largely been suspicious of Millium, dya... tinfoiled ilario a lot. Ender has been super townie but has no claim and hasn't attracted much negative attention. Seanzie is not townie. Like its a pretty dumb question in the context cuz I'm just trying to ignore the mech atm and when I do that everyone is in their wolfrange still.

agreed, I think the mech has largely been super advantageous for wolves today. The general discussion quality has been tainted by it

[santygrass]

Well actually

Lily ain't town huh. Something to figure out later tbh. But that read isnt coming from V!Lily

This is omgus. Town can be scumreading you Santy. Most of the town here are in fact. It's hard not to given the circumstances.

But at this point in time I'm re-evaluating that somehow you, Neon, Lily, Ilario and even Belzy are all town together.

I know the mech points that it can't but... I just have a feeling.

Well actually it may seem like that. But go and read how Lily was reading me D1 and D2. I was their ride or die Villa.

And the read does a 360 because my push was Villa? Or because I was annoyed at SoD ? I think it doesnt track the progression there tbh

You do understand that there is a perception you are possibly outed via claim right?

Well actually I think that reasoning is moot tbh /shrug

[Lilypetal]

Well actually , like Lily you even said to Allison that you would vote me if they were Villa yesterday or something like that. Have you read Allison reasons to push me or agreed to any of them?

i went back and read her iso yeah

[EnderWiggin]

@MacDougall if santy is V who is wolfin

Well I've largely been suspicious of Millium, dya... tinfoiled ilario a lot. Ender has been super townie but has no claim and hasn't attracted much negative attention. Seanzie is not townie. Like its a pretty dumb question in the context cuz I'm just trying to ignore the mech atm and when I do that everyone is in their wolfrange still.

My claim should be obvious if you clearly read all my posts. =P

Or not that obvious I guess.

But I was just doing things I thought funny.

[Lilypetal]

i dunno who to vote because I can't torch belzy

[santygrass]

Well actually because it isnt even mech. Its stupid setup speculation wowee

[santygrass]

Well actually I think I know what Ender role is yeah. I am a pro in rolehunting

[santygrass]

Well actually and I'd say it was a rand>v use of the role but not clearing

[MacDougall]

Millium has a very broken role if it's in town hands. He claims to be able to target twice. He targeted me last night but claims to have only used it once. I don't buy the explanation he gave for why he didn't give out two items. He may have given the second item to a mafia teammate.

Dya has no claim and was complicit on both wagons, hasn't been towny today and is catching very little flak from anyone for it.

Ilario is a 2 shot RB that yoloed their shots like... I don't understand his night action use at all.

[Lilypetal]

methinks town just rolled 2 trackers for some reason and neon/santy are V

maybe this thought will change soon but I think it's the most likely scenario

[MacDougall]

Well actually

Lily ain't town huh. Something to figure out later tbh. But that read isnt coming from V!Lily

This is omgus. Town can be scumreading you Santy. Most of the town here are in fact. It's hard not to given the circumstances.

But at this point in time I'm re-evaluating that somehow you, Neon, Lily, Ilario and even Belzy are all town together.

I know the mech points that it can't but... I just have a feeling.

Well actually it may seem like that. But go and read how Lily was reading me D1 and D2. I was their ride or die Villa.

And the read does a 360 because my push was Villa? Or because I was annoyed at SoD ? I think it doesnt track the progression there tbh

You do understand that there is a perception you are possibly outed via claim right?

Well actually I think that reasoning is moot tbh /shrug

You're dismissing it but it's probably the most obvious justification for why someone who townread you can 180 on you.

[santygrass]

Well actually Mac. Wisp has 4 gifts in total (one with each role) . So its like a 4 shot usage. And they can target 2 each night. But they have already used 3 gifts so 1 more and they are done tbh. Its not so op ?

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall if santy is V who is wolfin

Well I've largely been suspicious of Millium, dya... tinfoiled ilario a lot. Ender has been super townie but has no claim and hasn't attracted much negative attention. Seanzie is not townie. Like its a pretty dumb question in the context cuz I'm just trying to ignore the mech atm and when I do that everyone is in their wolfrange still.

My claim should be obvious if you clearly read all my posts. =P

Or not that obvious I guess.

But I was just doing things I thought funny.

Clearly reading all posts of anyone in this game is asking a lot man.

[Lilypetal]

Millium has a very broken role if it's in town hands. He claims to be able to target twice. He targeted me last night but claims to have only used it once. I don't buy the explanation he gave for why he didn't give out two items. He may have given the second item to a mafia teammate.

Dya has no claim and was complicit on both wagons, hasn't been towny today and is catching very little flak from anyone for it.

Ilario is a 2 shot RB that yoloed their shots like... I don't understand his night action use at all.

I didnt wanna say this cuz it sounds dumb but Millium's immediate insistence that I was a serial killer sounds like something that wolves would've talked about in wolfchat when their kill didn't land. That + not giving out an extra gift is incredibly suspicious.

[MacDougall]

Well actually Mac. Wisp has 4 gifts in total (one with each role) . So its like a 4 shot usage. And they can target 2 each night. But they have already used 3 gifts so 1 more and they are done tbh. Its not so op ?

Did he modify his claim or was that how it was always claimed?

[MacDougall]

Millium is ... probably someone who should at least be discussed as a candidate today for a few reasons. Fully resolving day 1 is part of it too.

[Seanzie]

This game came at the wrong time for me. I want to help solving but once i go MIA, i am an easy mislim (mislynch is that, right?) But i can never fully catch up

With your role, do you die if you target mafia and only mafia, or do you die if you target any non-town?

I have to target town.

upsetting.

[santygrass]

Well actually

Lily ain't town huh. Something to figure out later tbh. But that read isnt coming from V!Lily

This is omgus. Town can be scumreading you Santy. Most of the town here are in fact. It's hard not to given the circumstances.

But at this point in time I'm re-evaluating that somehow you, Neon, Lily, Ilario and even Belzy are all town together.

I know the mech points that it can't but... I just have a feeling.

Well actually it may seem like that. But go and read how Lily was reading me D1 and D2. I was their ride or die Villa.

And the read does a 360 because my push was Villa? Or because I was annoyed at SoD ? I think it doesnt track the progression there tbh

You do understand that there is a perception you are possibly outed via claim right?

Well actually I think that reasoning is moot tbh /shrug

You're dismissing it but it's probably the most obvious justification for why someone who townread you can 180 on you.

Well actually its how it is LOL?
Neon is a 1 shot Tracker and claimed in a weird way.
I am tracker. There is no reason why one lf us has to be mafia.

If we go by that reasoning, you would've had to instayeet Belzy yesterday because aro was neighborizer tbh. Its just super moot to fall into setup speculation because it ends uo in a player trying yo guess how the Host thought? Which is a suoer boring/dumb/unfun way to solve and I have a strong opinion on that