Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[ilario]

Well actually . Also, Do you think is possible Cham is a wolf in a world where Wisp is town?
I think that is kinda unlikely, so Cham wagon should either fuse with Wisp wagon o look somewhere else? Idk

nah i think its highly likely they are both the same alignment

Well actually yeah. But when imagining a W/V dynamic, I think its more likely a W!Wisp and V!Cham dynamic than the reverse, so going Wisp first if you think Cham is prob a wolf should be the safer thing to do? At least in my mind lol

how come you think its more likely wolf wisp/v cham and not the other way around?

[Dyslexicon]

I was asked elsewhere but it’s only fair that this answer is given publicly.

It WILL be announced when the game moves into lylo.

Granted, role madness can make lylo a little fuzzy but as a general rule of thumb for when we make this announcement, we’ll assume the mafia factional is not prevented or redirected onto a wolf.

Somebody do me a favor and ping all living players as I’m on mobile and I think Dizzy is already asleep.

Votes WILL be locked at lylo

@Belzy
@Chamomile
@dyachei
@EnderWiggin
@ilario
@Lilypetal
@MacDougall
@Millium
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Neon
@RondoDimBuckle
@santygrass
@Seanzie

[dyachei]

@dyachei can i have your thoughts on a wisp/cham team? and ur thots on belzy

I think it's possible if belzy is v. But I don't really think millium/belzy can be a team due to voting dynamics (both porscha and belzy were on millium's wagon d1, even as day ended). I would have to look again to see if there is any reason why wisp/cham cant be teamed. I had a v read on wisp d1 but I don't think he's actually trying to evaluate me at all. A lot of people aren't but he's been pushing me the most for basically all 3 days

Well actually

{Cham, ender , ilario , lily ,Mac , Nanook ,Neon , Seanzie}

Fmpov I currently think that at max there is only 1 wolf here, and currently wouldnt go to any of them tbh. Wisp I have to reeval to be if they could be there or nah .
I think I can explain why I have anyone there so lmk if you have doubts.

PoE ends up in: Wisp > Dya/Rondo/Belzy .
Belzy cant be yeeted today. So Dya/Rondo > Wisp.
Hmmm. Rondo had also the vote on Porscha D1 that was kinda whatever, but idk. I think if Ender sr's Rondo I'll trust it. If Ender doesnt vote there then I'll just go Dya.

Tho I think its highly likely that voth Dya/Rondo are wolves cuz that would make the game easier for me tbh

it's because I scum read you, isn't it.

Im not a wolf. I tried to get porscha's wagon going yesterday several times. I made it clear I preferred that over Alison

[dyachei]

and whoever accused me of not sticking with reads has clearly not read my d1. It's so misinformed it's hilarious

[dyachei]

like this is the reason I want ilario to actually ISO me in full. I think I've been plenty villagery and I keep getting pushed for bad reasons

[santygrass]

Well actually . Also, Do you think is possible Cham is a wolf in a world where Wisp is town?
I think that is kinda unlikely, so Cham wagon should either fuse with Wisp wagon o look somewhere else? Idk

nah i think its highly likely they are both the same alignment

Well actually yeah. But when imagining a W/V dynamic, I think its more likely a W!Wisp and V!Cham dynamic than the reverse, so going Wisp first if you think Cham is prob a wolf should be the safer thing to do? At least in my mind lol

how come you think its more likely wolf wisp/v cham and not the other way around?

Well actually is the thing I am talking about in my last posts? Cham play D1 doesnt make sense in my head if they are Wolf and Wisp is Villa

[santygrass]

Well actually you can clearly see that being in a PoE the main thing is that I am townreading everyone else dya LoL

[santygrass]

Well actually and answer me to the stuff regarding the Alison push tbh, that was also misinformed on your part so I want to see what is your reply to that tbh

[dyachei]

Well actually you can clearly see that being in a PoE the main thing is that I am townreading everyone else dya LoL

well actually your reads have kind of sucked this game so maybe you should re-evaluate

[santygrass]

and whoever accused me of not sticking with reads has clearly not read my d1. It's so misinformed it's hilarious

Well actually which are the reads you think you sticked the most?

[santygrass]

Well actually you can clearly see that being in a PoE the main thing is that I am townreading everyone else dya LoL

well actually your reads have kind of sucked this game so maybe you should re-evaluate

Well actually yes. I as town have better reads when the person Im trying to solve isnt dismissive with me and actually tries to work together with me if they are town what can I say

[dyachei]

and whoever accused me of not sticking with reads has clearly not read my d1. It's so misinformed it's hilarious

Well actually which are the reads you think you sticked the most?

seanzie w until late ysterday, aro w, alison v(though you could make the argument I hedged on her, i never voted her and left her in my town leans), cham w

[dyachei]

Well actually you can clearly see that being in a PoE the main thing is that I am townreading everyone else dya LoL

well actually your reads have kind of sucked this game so maybe you should re-evaluate

Well actually yes. I as town have better reads when the person Im trying to solve isnt dismissive with me and actually tries to work together with me if they are town what can I say

I'm not being dismissive of you, i'm wolf reading you. I tried to work with you a bit yesterday and you were so combative with your alison read. OMGUS is doing you no favors

[ilario]

like this is the reason I want ilario to actually ISO me in full. I think I've been plenty villagery and I keep getting pushed for bad reasons

fwiw i agree u been villagery and townsiding! (and even this post from you feels pretty towny) i dont think u should be a wagon at all today and i much prefer wisp vs cham as competing wagons

[santygrass]

Well actually I think that when you asked me worlds about V!Alison worlds I answered still and you got more upset with Mac fwiw.

Like yeah I was tunneled on a read so ofc my read out of it was prob bad? But I feel like you got more yoset with Mac at the tim and didnt really follow up on that . I think I have been doing a great effort to engage when asked stuff / also doing effort to engage with reads tbf

[dyachei]

Well actually I think that when you asked me worlds about V!Alison worlds I answered still and you got more upset with Mac fwiw.

Like yeah I was tunneled on a read so ofc my read out of it was prob bad? But I feel like you got more yoset with Mac at the tim and didnt really follow up on that . I think I have been doing a great effort to engage when asked stuff / also doing effort to engage with reads tbf

lets not bring up the stuff with mac. Yes I was more upset with mac based on things said in the thread

[santygrass]

Well actually

[VOTE: Millium ] aubergine I still thinking where to end tho. But I think ISOing dya may help me to decide at the end wowee

[ilario]

@dyachei can i have your thoughts on a wisp/cham team? and ur thots on belzy

I think it's possible if belzy is v. But I don't really think millium/belzy can be a team due to voting dynamics (both porscha and belzy were on millium's wagon d1, even as day ended). I would have to look again to see if there is any reason why wisp/cham cant be teamed. I had a v read on wisp d1 but I don't think he's actually trying to evaluate me at all. A lot of people aren't but he's been pushing me the most for basically all 3 days

Well actually

{Cham, ender , ilario , lily ,Mac , Nanook ,Neon , Seanzie}

Fmpov I currently think that at max there is only 1 wolf here, and currently wouldnt go to any of them tbh. Wisp I have to reeval to be if they could be there or nah .
I think I can explain why I have anyone there so lmk if you have doubts.

PoE ends up in: Wisp > Dya/Rondo/Belzy .
Belzy cant be yeeted today. So Dya/Rondo > Wisp.
Hmmm. Rondo had also the vote on Porscha D1 that was kinda whatever, but idk. I think if Ender sr's Rondo I'll trust it. If Ender doesnt vote there then I'll just go Dya.

Tho I think its highly likely that voth Dya/Rondo are wolves cuz that would make the game easier for me tbh

it's because I scum read you, isn't it.

Im not a wolf. I tried to get porscha's wagon going yesterday several times. I made it clear I preferred that over Alison

yeah i agree betsy and millum dont feel teamed. its not a hard lock never rescind read but more often than not id say its not teamed..and like if belsy is town theyre most likely gonna be miselimmed tomorrow. only way i see that not happening is if we find a way to find belzy and i think a w!wisp flip combined with a seven or nook vote blocker flip helps gaining some towncred for belsy. wisps flip does also give us insight onto what happened d1

[santygrass]

Well actually yeah, I dont want to discuss that, just noting that I dont feel like tha even if I didnt feel like productive answering that question I still entertained your questioning and its me trying to engage still? Idk like interactions with people is how I figure stuff mostly tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Well actually

[VOTE: Millium ] aubergine I still thinking where to end tho. But I think ISOing dya may help me to decide at the end wowee

[ilario]

the problem is if wisp and cham are both wolves im not entirely sure who the last is?

seanzie had a towny wisp push on d2 and his callout to wisp fanning flames doesnt feel w/w. also seanie is naked town.
dya feels towny and pushed cham a fair bit this game.
lily is close to mech clear.
belzy is not super likely with wisp but not never teamed. if belzy is town mac is clear. mac feels towny regardless.
ender feels towny and pushed porcha and cham d1.
i now think nook is 3p since cham was my original 3p read, but now cham is just a pure wolfread.
santy and neon has both made towny posts. santy has loudly wolfsided, neon has done it more covertly (i dont think neon has voted a single wolf all game, esp if belzy is green)

soo yeah i think if wisp and cham both wolves, neon might be worth re-evaluating but holy heck if theyre a wolf theyre pretty dang good at it

[ilario]

oh yeah rondo. well both wisp and cham sheeped me on rondo which sketched me out on the wagon. rondo posted well to me in realtime. cham called me a wolf every other day except the day when i pushed rondo

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I was on wisp most of today lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So like okay

[dyachei]

[VOTE: millium] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hmm Wisp wagon structure is basically everything I hate

[dyachei]

Hmm Wisp wagon structure is basically everything I hate

im sure you hate my vote there. but Im also willing to go cham (i think cham more likely to be a wolf but we get better gamestate info from wisp)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I want to see Wisp flip for D1 wagon info but I don't want to see wisp flip because I think wisp is probably town at this point.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I also really don't trust Mac or Belzy...

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Fuck I'm so lost

[dyachei]

I think mac is lock cleared from porscha interactions (also his posts are v mac anyway)

[ilario]

I was on wisp most of today lol

ahh i wouldnt know lol, no vcs here so the only times i saw u were on me or santy or dya. but ill take ur word for it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm confirming myself town by not spamming enough to avoid the slank vig

[dyachei]

k i read thread here are my very expensive thoughts

hello lily sweet princess how has your day been

mac town likelay

uuuuuuuh yeah sean is doing like the opposite of his towntell atm so that's pain

nobody else important enough for first post not sorry

kind of think this is a TMI read not a cover read. feels too strong to be a wolf partner

k i read thread here are my very expensive thoughts

hello lily sweet princess how has your day been

mac town likelay

uuuuuuuh yeah sean is doing like the opposite of his towntell atm so that's pain

nobody else important enough for first post not sorry

</3

i'm sorry ender ily but all you had posted was like 3 lolcat posts so there wasn't much to say anyway

but note that she keeps ender on a hedge read here

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

Also keeps seanzie on hedge but has a clear read on wisp/neon. Kind of makes me paranoid that neon/wisp is w/w but i admit that's tinfoil.

a hot take that i have is that i actually lightly scumread Belzy. i think that he sounds okay on a tonal level but the actual content of his posts is generally disjointed and the way that he handled his suspicion of the wisp slot in particular didnt really feel like it came from the perspective of someone who cared about wisp's alignment

thank you for saying it b/c I was afraid I was the idiot in the room

think this looks ok for belzy on first glance

lily locktown never rescind btw

why

owo

I held off evaluating you until you came back but your responses were A1 I simply do not think you can fake it the same way as wolf, you're extremely comfortable

not like i've been wrong yet anyway lmfao

I think this is probably a TMI read, too. so good look for lily

@Porscha what are ur thoughts on the game so far?

If you tr me, why aren’t you defending for me harder?
It seems u have a tr on me but don’t seem keen on convincing others to feel the same way. Maybe I’m over exaggerating, but it feels like with me being top wagon, that you don’t seem to Interested in trying to defend me.

I wouldnt call it a TR
And it's hardly a defense to say something you've done is something I consider NAI
I'm wary of you especially early so I'm not keen on being overly graceful
Also you only have 2 votes right now? I wouldnt call that top wagon status to worry about

I had 3 at the time I said that.

And that’s the thing is you were quick to tr me and felt better about it from what I saw, but I also know that you’re very wary around my slot a lot, so I was curious why you felt the way u did but then didn’t overly defend.

And you say it’s NAI, but you were tr me for certain reasons earlier and discussed it a bit lol.

But I will ask u, what’s ur pov/gamestate rn?

If I qualified you earlier, the most I would have given was a TL which I'm sure you're aware of specifically because I am wary of you

I'm on mobile so this is off the cuff thoughts and yes I will forget people, this time I am sorry:
Lily obvious town one day you guys will get it
Spf I have had a couple moments of agreement/clarity in their posts so despite my fear she can have TL for now. You and her are like paired in my mind
Belzy I masoned with in syn champs in january, it's been a long time, but iirc they are playing at least somewhat similar to that game, but I think that is only based on tone
Wisp literally gave me a headache from the amount of posts, of which maybe 50% contain what could be called content if you peer closely. Dont have meta, willing to take your comment about him usually have pride in wolf play take into consideration at this point and just say sure
I begrudgingly think sean might actually be town and I'm probably just kicking rocks over not having the same way to solve him every game
Nook I generally give TR to until he gives me a reason not to
I literally do not have the slightest idea on how ilario plays but I've seen a few points against him that dont make them look great but idk
I feel good about being able to find town mac and I think he is more likely town here
I'm literally donkey at reading santy so I need more time on him
Ender felt tonally good at first but I found his reasoning to sus me of "usually I vibe with porscha posts but not rn" to be pretty weak. Dont know if town ender just doesnt find himself mind melding as much as usual or if this is wolf ender attempting to set me up for ML at some point
Neon has moved from Administrative TL II to Administrative TL I in the meantime

I feel like I forgot someone who's been talking but my brain is fried and I'm going to sleep sorry to whoever I forgot about

I dont like the sudden flip on belzy here. nagl. Unwilling to give a real read on wisp. Read on nook might be partnery here. she didnt really talk about him before this. Think her shading ilario is probably a good look for ilario. TMI read on mac. No read on santy could indicate partner status. Think the read with ender here is likely to be w/v with porscha as the obvious w.

Milly can go idc

again no real read on wisp.

Tilg was hella scummy near eod

Seven is obv town

/vote Tilg

can you explain your read on seven please? I have seven skill issue to the point where if I think seven is making sense he's probably wolf but if he doesnt make sense he's probably town

this is like the only time I've seen her comment on seven/cham. and there's no read, just how she tends to read him

actually nvm i like porscha's vibe these pages

the questions are directionless antagonism lol

need to see more from her but im not gonna condemn her yet

must be nice to think i'm the one advocating for directionless antagonism but you get to make condescending remarks towards me while you get TR'd for free and I get SR'd for free

sweet power wolf and way to take advantage of aro's flip, bud

lily I didn't see any of your recent posts, can you give me a broad view of your ideas rn

so you scumread me?

honestly your tone is just making me a little angry so I might be an omgus gremlin right now, but depending on how you 180'd on aro's slot I will be taking that into consideration to determine if you're actually just trying to take advantage of his bad read on me to loudly push me over today and keep your hands clean by saying "well it's aro's fault on the read"

because I think a wolf mac who wants to keep the ball rolling could easily throw me under the bus b/c you will always be much louder than I am and I am easily exploitable

again think this looks good for lily

@Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

do you want it color coded

yes

great then I will make this very easy to read

Neon
Lilypetal
Belzy
Rondo
Santy
Ender

Ilario
Millium
Chamo

Allison
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie
Tilg
Dya

Final reads list. Seanzie is a wolf again despite being town that was switching up meta bfore. Mac has been a strong townread of hers all game and is a wolf read. No real read on nanook has turned into a wolf read. Im town, and tilg is flipped town. Alison town too. So I think her wolf pile is 0-1 wolves. And I think if there is a wolf there it's nanook.

Kind of makes me worried cham and wisp are not paired since they are both in the nulls together with no one else.

belzy from shading her to town is sus. Rondo out of nowhere. Shaded ender in towns too. not sure it's meaningful because like...ender and rondo seemed like people she knows well so she might have been trying to get on their good side

[ilario]

I'm confirming myself town by not spamming enough to avoid the slank vig

i think ur just the 3p atp, anyways ill bbl closer to eod if i wake up

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm confirming myself town by not spamming enough to avoid the slank vig

i think ur just the 3p atp, anyways ill bbl closer to eod if i wake up

You think wrong

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I actually think nook is woof

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It doesn't really matter what you think lol cause you can't kill me

[dyachei]

@ilario do you think rule of 3 applies to porscha's null list? Or do you think she'd put 2 partners there

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

...

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I thibk im fairly obvious town tbh but this game has 7k posts so I don't really blame most people for not realizing it and/or forgetting

[dyachei]

I thibk im fairly obvious town tbh but this game has 7k posts so I don't really blame most people for not realizing it and/or forgetting

i dont really know how to read you but I liked your reaction to alison's claim

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I thibk im fairly obvious town tbh but this game has 7k posts so I don't really blame most people for not realizing it and/or forgetting

[ilario]

@ilario do you think rule of 3 applies to porscha's null list? Or do you think she'd put 2 partners there

hmmm i think on average its >rand less likely theres 2 partners there but not impossible. at the very least it strengthens my stance of wanting seven and wisp to be wagons today.

[ilario]

issue with seven is that he came into the game with what felt like an agenda almost. for a person who was behind so much he was very aggressive in pushing and influencing the day a certain way.

[dyachei]

[VOTE: cham] aubergine

[ilario]

the way i see it is i think cham is a wolf in most worlds . and i think theres always one in wisp/belzy and thatll need to be resolved at some point. so the benefits to voting cham is i think its more likely to hit a wolf, the benefits to voting wisp is theres a chance hes villa and belzy is the wolf in that pairing, but even if you miss we get some insight onto d1 wagons.

[ilario]

anyways bbl for real

[dyachei]

the way i see it is i think cham is a wolf in most worlds . and i think theres always one in wisp/belzy and thatll need to be resolved at some point. so the benefits to voting cham is i think its more likely to hit a wolf, the benefits to voting wisp is theres a chance hes villa and belzy is the wolf in that pairing, but even if you miss we get some insight onto d1 wagons.

this is how I feel tbh

[Millium]

Hi I got like 20 mins