Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[ilario]

also mac, if u and belzy are both town whats ur hypothesis for my wolves have not tried to kill you this game?

[Lilypetal]

eod felt in the moment and upon rereading that wolves didn't care who died. Someone rly needs to sell me on millium W

[MacDougall]

because its not just my read there its mech as well

Well he indicates he was roleblocked.

The poll remover might have only been 2 shot. Or they holstered. Or they targeted Santy or Seanzie.

It's not a slam dunk my guy.

it could be 2 shot, i dont think they would holster or target the slots they nk + slots who happened to be easy mls to push

Yeah targeting easy mls to push is definitely not the exact MO of the person doing it. See Tilgarial.

Also there is no guarantee for reasons stated Seanzie and Santy were mafia night kills.

well one of them has to be? and if they arent then ender is just confirmed even more because it means i blocked the nk. either way i think seanzie is probs nk and santy is like some 3p kill or town kill if i had to guess idek.

I doctored Lily.

[MacDougall]

also mac, if u and belzy are both town whats ur hypothesis for my wolves have not tried to kill you this game?

Why haven't they tried to kill you? Or perpetual n1 kill dyachei?

[MacDougall]

Whatever answer you have for that is the same.

[RondoDimBuckle]

eod felt in the moment and upon rereading that wolves didn't care who died. Someone rly needs to sell me on millium W

I was seconds away from jumping onto Cham because of the self vote messing with Waganomics but I couldnt get the post out before EOD lock

[MacDougall]

i feel like wolves getting a tied v/w wagons at eod isn't what I'd expect out of how disorganized town is this game.

Eh the wagons were Cham ahead when I showed up and switched my vote to Millium. I don't see how the wagonomics there indicate Millium is a villager give he wouldn't have even been in the tie if not for me.

[MacDougall]

eod felt in the moment and upon rereading that wolves didn't care who died. Someone rly needs to sell me on millium W

I was seconds away from jumping onto Cham because of the self vote messing with Waganomics but I couldnt get the post out before EOD lock

I actually had tried to do the same.

[RondoDimBuckle]

But I expected Cham to move to Mil

[MacDougall]

sure i understand the benefit of blocking a poe spot to raise suspicion on them, but the margin for error is smaller now its less people and im sure wolves would just wanna have every ml candidate available when another ml probs just ends it

Well if that's the case just vote out Belzy.

there was still easy pushes yesterday now that we know cham and santy are defs town. and also it wasnt lylo yesterday, thats the main point fmpov i think ur missing in this

It's not lylo today either if I holster.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fx is supposed to be announced yeah?

this isnt literal fx hence why its not announced. but if we ml today then wolves and 3p can joint tomorrow (depending on what the 3p wincon is)

I want to kill belzy either way so

thats good, theyre one wolf. can you read ender/neons posts this game when u have a chance and try to envision a ender/porcha/belzy/neon wolf team

I don't really see neon but I have no confidence i can read her lol

I'll read ender at some point

I agree that Neon is probably not mafia. They have too much sincerity in their defense. Sense of town entitlement. Much like Lily.

my issue is that their eods. they keep jumping on lhf town for reasons that are very nai. read their read on porcha d1/d2, they are very charitable towards their read on porcha vs how they treat aro,santy,me, cham throughout the game. they projected a sense of being very concerned about the gamestate yesterday which felt sincere to me but then they do absolutely nothing and then just park on cham because he selfvoted.

The voting self voter thing is actually somewhat townie to me given their handling of a town self voter in their last mafia game (the sabi invitational), it isn't really something I'd bet on but

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

[VOTE: cham] aubergine

we both went millium -> off millium

so millium was saved by 2 villagers

therefore wagons were most likely v/v imo

Not if Millium's partners were inactive.

[MacDougall]

I will probably only shoot if we hit a wolf. I think I'm safe to shoot into the POE if we do but if we hit a villager I have to holster.

Someone figure out if that's true.

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

[VOTE: cham] aubergine

we both went millium -> off millium

so millium was saved by 2 villagers

therefore wagons were most likely v/v imo

Not if Millium's partners were inactive.

maybe. either way if he's a wolf or a villager I think dya and neon need to be scrutinized the most rn

[MacDougall]

Lily your logic doesn't check out.

Millium's most likely partners already had their votes planted on Cham. So how were they supposed to save him?

[Millium]

So nobody is claiming any of these shots?

@MacDougall
Who are my partners?

[dyachei]

i could see ender being a wolf but I dont think he's mechanically outed?

[Millium]

Assuming u stopped the mafia kill, we still have two other people are shooting, and u make a third. Of which neither have claimed today.

If Lily isn't lying it's not them, you claimed an even night only shot, so wtf is happening

@MacDougall

[MacDougall]

can literally anyone explain to me why aro sr'd me past my read on lily

Was there any reason to not scumread you past that?

it's a BS reason to ride my ass for 25+ pages, undoubtedly without a doubt no shadow of a doubt

Let me be clear you're a wolf and you should stop posting or you'll accidentally spew people clear.

Don't let the wolves lie to you. I've had the best reads lol.

[Lilypetal]

Lily your logic doesn't check out.

Millium's most likely partners already had their votes planted on Cham. So how were they supposed to save him?

the whole thing just feels weird unless both millium and cham are villagers

millium goes over if sean and I don't last minute swap

so let's say dya and neon are partners with millium. They vote cham and it's what, 5-7?

Millium is going to flip wolf. When millium flips wolf this looks awful for them. So why does neon put a pointless policy vote on cham? Neon loves bussing. She would get in early for the cred. In a w!neon world, to me this means that millium is just the more likely villager to flip and getting on the other wagon will make them look better after the flip. I didn't see any want to save a teammate in the cham wagon.

Of course, maybe neon is a villager but she looks like one of the most likely people to be paired with Millium there. Idk

[Millium]

So if u and Lily couldn't shoot, if mafia got blocked by you, that's two additional people shooting

I don't believe that's what happened

So I don't think Lily got shot at and I think one of you is lying about ur shot. Or there is a 3rd person shooting

That is way too much KP

[Lilypetal]

I think the nk went to santy. He was the real tracker after all lol

[MacDougall]

@Lilypetal say the word and I will make the most based reads list

do it

do you want it color coded

yes

great then I will make this very easy to read

Neon
Lilypetal
Belzy
Rondo
Santy
Ender

Ilario
Millium
Chamo

Allison
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie
Tilg
Dya

[Lilypetal]

I don't think I was targeted and doc'd

[Lilypetal]

well like i was doc'd but like wolves didnt shoot me i mean

[MacDougall]

Yeh I expected that. But I am letting you know that you arenot alone and we can realtime / you can ask me questions and that sort of stuff. Just to not make it more uphill that it would be to try to get a grasp on the game lol

what is your current poe and have people been role claiming at all

Lily claimed to have mech that could solve your alignment.
Belzy claimed allegedly by Mac to be a desperado 1 shot neighborizer, so they are on a hood and Mac effectively is green checked if true.

My current solve is Alison/Porscha/Tilg/Seanzie + 1

The +1 in Rondo/Ender/Belzy probs.

oh so that's why lily thinks i'm outted she thinks that i'm aware of her claim and that i'm afraid. lmao

ok ya i'm on board with alison or tilg or sean those are all in my poe

This sorta indicates Porscha wasn't in antispew. Which also indicates a lack of coaching.

[MacDougall]

well like i was doc'd but like wolves didnt shoot me i mean

Why not? You literally are spewed clear and shot a mafia. You were talking about how dumb it is to sus you yesterday because mafia will resolve you. Why so hard to believe?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Assuming u stopped the mafia kill, we still have two other people are shooting, and u make a third. Of which neither have claimed today.

If Lily isn't lying it's not them, you claimed an even night only shot, so wtf is happening

@MacDougall

easy solution. Lily did you shoot last night?

[Lilypetal]

well like i was doc'd but like wolves didnt shoot me i mean

Why not? You literally are spewed clear and shot a mafia. You were talking about how dumb it is to sus you yesterday because mafia will resolve you. Why so hard to believe?

i guess because it doesnt make sense if a villager took the shot? and no one is claiming to have taken it? so it makes more sense if wolves shot santy and I am either pocketed by wolves or extremely wrong

also santy could theoretically get a red check

[MacDougall]

Reading Porscha's iso I can definitely see Ilario's solve being exactly correct.

I would be surprised if there were 0 wolves in Porscha's red list though.

But Ender, Belzy and Neon do all look the most partery.

[dyachei]

Reading Porscha's iso I can definitely see Ilario's solve being exactly correct.

I would be surprised if there were 0 wolves in Porscha's red list though.

But Ender, Belzy and Neon do all look the most partery.

there are 0-1 in her wolf list. I said this yesterday, too

[MacDougall]

well like i was doc'd but like wolves didnt shoot me i mean

Why not? You literally are spewed clear and shot a mafia. You were talking about how dumb it is to sus you yesterday because mafia will resolve you. Why so hard to believe?

i guess because it doesnt make sense if a villager took the shot? and no one is claiming to have taken it? so it makes more sense if wolves shot santy and I am either pocketed by wolves or extremely wrong

also santy could theoretically get a red check

Oh this reminds me I don't have to watch anime. Alison has to watch a movie of my choice. I will not be kind.

[MacDougall]

Reading Porscha's iso I can definitely see Ilario's solve being exactly correct.

I would be surprised if there were 0 wolves in Porscha's red list though.

But Ender, Belzy and Neon do all look the most partery.

there are 0-1 in her wolf list. I said this yesterday, too

I agree. I think it's exactly 1.

[MacDougall]

So if u and Lily couldn't shoot, if mafia got blocked by you, that's two additional people shooting

I don't believe that's what happened

So I don't think Lily got shot at and I think one of you is lying about ur shot. Or there is a 3rd person shooting

That is way too much KP

How could I possibly be lying about my shot?

[MacDougall]

I reckon Lily is hard townsiding 3p dawg.

[RondoDimBuckle]

So if u and Lily couldn't shoot, if mafia got blocked by you, that's two additional people shooting

I don't believe that's what happened

So I don't think Lily got shot at and I think one of you is lying about ur shot. Or there is a 3rd person shooting

That is way too much KP

How could I possibly be lying about my shot?

Easy, what are people saying you are lying about? What is the truth?

[dyachei]

Allison - flipped villager
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie - flipped villager
Tilg - flipped villager
Dya

So you think it's either me or nanook but you have neither of us in the wolf grouping you just made

[MacDougall]

Allison - flipped villager
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie - flipped villager
Tilg - flipped villager
Dya

So you think it's either me or nanook but you have neither of us in the wolf grouping you just made

Are you talking to me?

I'm not pushing you much. I'm trying to figure it out as we speak. Be nice lol.

[ilario]

also mac, if u and belzy are both town whats ur hypothesis for my wolves have not tried to kill you this game?

Why haven't they tried to kill you? Or perpetual n1 kill dyachei?

well last night is weird im ngl so im not sure. but also we arent green checks and thus misyeetable. ur one of the best villas ive seen play the game on top of being green checked, why are wolves not worried about you? (this isnt meant as me trying to shade ur slot, if you can think of a reason im genuinely curious, if ur not sure thats fine but if u come to a hypothesis later i wanna know)

[dyachei]

Allison - flipped villager
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie - flipped villager
Tilg - flipped villager
Dya

So you think it's either me or nanook but you have neither of us in the wolf grouping you just made

Are you talking to me?

I'm not pushing you much. I'm trying to figure it out as we speak. Be nice lol.

I am being nice. I'm trying to understand why you think it's one when your immediate wolf grouping recently didn't have any of us in it

[MacDougall]

also mac, if u and belzy are both town whats ur hypothesis for my wolves have not tried to kill you this game?

Why haven't they tried to kill you? Or perpetual n1 kill dyachei?

well last night is weird im ngl so im not sure. but also we arent green checks and thus misyeetable. ur one of the best villas ive seen play the game on top of being green checked, why are wolves not worried about you? (this isnt meant as me trying to shade ur slot, if you can think of a reason im genuinely curious, if ur not sure thats fine but if u come to a hypothesis later i wanna know)

Probs cuz I've been playing like shit and shielding mafia a bit haha.

[dyachei]

they didn't n1 kill me because so many people have been up for elimming me every day

[ilario]

this isnt literal fx hence why its not announced. but if we ml today then wolves and 3p can joint tomorrow (depending on what the 3p wincon is)

I want to kill belzy either way so

thats good, theyre one wolf. can you read ender/neons posts this game when u have a chance and try to envision a ender/porcha/belzy/neon wolf team

I don't really see neon but I have no confidence i can read her lol

I'll read ender at some point

I agree that Neon is probably not mafia. They have too much sincerity in their defense. Sense of town entitlement. Much like Lily.

my issue is that their eods. they keep jumping on lhf town for reasons that are very nai. read their read on porcha d1/d2, they are very charitable towards their read on porcha vs how they treat aro,santy,me, cham throughout the game. they projected a sense of being very concerned about the gamestate yesterday which felt sincere to me but then they do absolutely nothing and then just park on cham because he selfvoted.

The voting self voter thing is actually somewhat townie to me given their handling of a town self voter in their last mafia game (the sabi invitational), it isn't really something I'd bet on but

but its still a poor reason to vote a slot imo and their investment in solving + reasons to vote slots doesnt match up with their projected concern about the game

[MacDougall]

Allison - flipped villager
MacDougall
Nanook
Seanzie - flipped villager
Tilg - flipped villager
Dya

So you think it's either me or nanook but you have neither of us in the wolf grouping you just made

Are you talking to me?

I'm not pushing you much. I'm trying to figure it out as we speak. Be nice lol.

I am being nice. I'm trying to understand why you think it's one when your immediate wolf grouping recently didn't have any of us in it

Well you see.

What I am hypothesising 45 minutes ago and what j am hypothesising 10 minutes ago dont necessarily have to equivocate lol.

[MacDougall]

Anyway like let's kill Belzy.

[Lilypetal]

Anyway like let's kill Belzy.

agreed

[Lilypetal]

[VOTE: belzy] aubergine

[ilario]

i could see ender being a wolf but I dont think he's mechanically outed?

ya hes not mech outed
i think hes just ender outed
also the mech doesnt look in his favour

[ilario]

Reading Porscha's iso I can definitely see Ilario's solve being exactly correct.

I would be surprised if there were 0 wolves in Porscha's red list though.

But Ender, Belzy and Neon do all look the most partery.

oh gosh is this happening

LOL i just started to doubt belzy though because u said they felt towny in hood

ftr look at how ender mentions neon in his iso, he kinda spews her deepwolf at times. ill bring up receipts later but he always refers to her as someone that could be snowing him/needs to be looked into but never does. its hard to describe but feels like how a partner talks about somehow they know is deep

[ilario]

OHHH @Millium i have another hypothesis to explain the extra kp today. neon is like some odd night vig or some type of extra kp and i blocked her on n1, i didnt block her last night hence the extra kp