Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[Millium]

how does one exactly try to switch their target and then have it simply not happen?

because there is a 1 hour cutoff, i know because I asked while I was trying to decide who i was gunna gift, while at work, if they have a 1 hour cut off for night actions

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

how does one exactly try to switch their target and then have it simply not happen?

Because believe it or not switching things within an hour of SoD doesn't always get properly communicated

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It literally doesn't matter focus on something important

[ilario]

so i guess that begs the question, mac. what does your POE look like as of now?

Not sure beyond belzy (even not sure on that).

Has Rondo outed his n3 lie detect yet?

Neon is probably there.

Probably won't ever shake my suspicion of ilario. He's had many moments that have left me wondering if we are reading the same game.

I could raise issues with everyone in the game frankly.

tough game lol

is the confidence in ur ender read sheepable?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

just thinking about previous night watcher, that would be such a terribly designed role

tracker, I think neon said. And i've seen it before

Yes i have said that... repeatedly

[ilario]

how does one exactly try to switch their target and then have it simply not happen?

because there is a 1 hour cutoff, i know because I asked while I was trying to decide who i was gunna gift, while at work, if they have a 1 hour cut off for night actions

how come u started to tr me yesterday near eod?

[dyachei]

just thinking about previous night watcher, that would be such a terribly designed role

tracker, I think neon said. And i've seen it before

Yes i have said that... repeatedly

I'm listening fwiw.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I need literally anyone who's going to vote me to go ahead and case me and tell me why I do anything I've done this entire game as wolf and not as a wrong shitty stupid ass town

[MacDougall]

i thought you said I couldnt be a wolf with belzy

I'm sorry I don't have a perfect solve

[dyachei]

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

[MacDougall]

no don't sheep me

[Millium]

how does one exactly try to switch their target and then have it simply not happen?

because there is a 1 hour cutoff, i know because I asked while I was trying to decide who i was gunna gift, while at work, if they have a 1 hour cut off for night actions

how come u started to tr me yesterday near eod?

if ur referring to the Seanzie post, I was getting frustrated, I think there is just too much paranoia coming from your slot at this point
if Seanzie was getting caught up in micro things that were starting to annoy me

[Millium]

just thinking about previous night watcher, that would be such a terribly designed role

tracker, I think neon said. And i've seen it before

Yes i have said that... repeatedly

i know u are claiming tracker, i was just saying a previous night watcher would be helly nutty in a game of mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

just thinking about previous night watcher, that would be such a terribly designed role

tracker, I think neon said. And i've seen it before

Yes i have said that... repeatedly

i know u are claiming tracker, i was just saying a previous night watcher would be helly nutty in a game of mafia

I've both seen it and used it before

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

no don't sheep me

Don't worry I won't

[ilario]

how does one exactly try to switch their target and then have it simply not happen?

because there is a 1 hour cutoff, i know because I asked while I was trying to decide who i was gunna gift, while at work, if they have a 1 hour cut off for night actions

how come u started to tr me yesterday near eod?

if ur referring to the Seanzie post, I was getting frustrated, I think there is just too much paranoia coming from your slot at this point
if Seanzie was getting caught up in micro things that were starting to annoy me

but whats your read on me in general?

[Millium]

do u want me to be paraniod of you?

I think you have been mostly back seat this game
your reads move around a lot
sometimes u tunnel, and then you end up thinking about it
you didn't maliciously use your roleblock to push an agenda
you even claimed it in a way that probably doesn't make sense if you are a wolf

if this is a wolf, then good job

[MacDougall]

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

just seems like every post you make is some stab at me

[MacDougall]

no don't sheep me

Don't worry I won't

it is possible to play mafia without being mean you know

[Millium]

or u just have TMI which is why u keep re-evaluating people, that's the paranoid me speaking
but that still doesn't align with how u've been using ur roleblock, and if there is a wolf driving this game, I can't see it being you

[dyachei]

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

just seems like every post you make is some stab at me

fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

no don't sheep me

Don't worry I won't

it is possible to play mafia without being mean you know

I don't see how this was mean to ahead and explain that one to me lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Sarcastic yes mean I don't get it

[Millium]

Seanzie died, that could point to you if im being honest
maybe u are a wolf, or maybe u are the 3p, which is why u do seem in the back

[MacDougall]

I say let dya pick today's chop (if it's not Belzy) and if dya picks a villager I'll just shoot dya.

[Millium]

I wonder if Rondo is a rolecop lmao

[MacDougall]

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

just seems like every post you make is some stab at me

fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that

every time I speak of or to you I get a rebuke that feels like suspicion but you've come up short of ever actually attempting to chop me or persuade anyone to so I'm not sure what the purpose of the consistent negative attitude towards me is if you don't think I'm mafia

[MacDougall]

no don't sheep me

Don't worry I won't

it is possible to play mafia without being mean you know

I don't see how this was mean to ahead and explain that one to me lol

don't worry I won't (cuz you suck at mafia) is the undertone that I perceive

[Millium]

im just gunna stay on Belzy unless someone wants to claim one of the shots today
cause if both those slots are affiliated with mafia, I dont want to be in an unfavorable situation if we miss

[MacDougall]

I wonder if Rondo is a rolecop lmao

elaborate

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I say let dya pick today's chop (if it's not Belzy) and if dya picks a villager I'll just shoot dya.

Intresting strategy. I don't like it but im basically a bystander this game anyways

[dyachei]

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

just seems like every post you make is some stab at me

fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that

every time I speak of or to you I get a rebuke that feels like suspicion but you've come up short of ever actually attempting to chop me or persuade anyone to so I'm not sure what the purpose of the consistent negative attitude towards me is if you don't think I'm mafia

I'm literally not trying to do that though. I think you're town. But I don't trust your reads. You've kept me in the POE day after day. You've said I'm clear if belzy is mafia, but here you are in the same day saying you might shoot me even though you think belzy is mafia. I'm doing my best to understand your reads but if this is how you feel, I really don't need to interact with you anymore

[Millium]

I wonder if Rondo is a rolecop lmao

elaborate

not much to say, I just think his claim could make sense to hide a rolecop

[MacDougall]

If Belzy is town and telling the truth.

They lied about having a green check on me for several phases.

They lied about me being loverised to them even though they nearly went over and could have easily been vigged or killed by mafia.

They chose to loverise dyachei (or me if there's some mech shenanigans) when their day 1 suspicion they themselves vocalised was millium and a town lover should target a mafia suspect not a top town.

I think you just ... accept that if a player who makes these decisions is town that it's okay to lose due to their decision making. No offence to Belzy if they are town, I think we've all been there where we've made incorrect decisions in mafia but ... this stuff is egregious at every level.

If Belzy is mafia I think Ender and Rondo are probably the last 2.

If somehow Belzy is town, which is the ... feeling I cannot shake that's opening up a myriad of tinfoil possibilities. Then we are probably just losing to Ilario, dya and whoever the fuck.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

no don't sheep me

Don't worry I won't

it is possible to play mafia without being mean you know

I don't see how this was mean to ahead and explain that one to me lol

don't worry I won't (cuz you suck at mafia) is the undertone that I perceive

Or maybe I'm just saying I won't because I don't think I trust you or anyone else this game and you've stated not to anyways and it has nothing to do with how good you are at a game and I'm kinda frustrated with how many statements you've taken thus game as a personal attack on you and it actually makes me trust you less because the last time you made me feel this much emotion towards a game and you was with Sabi in mafia misplay and you were a wolf there.

If you don't think I have great respect for you as a player when I've made that abundantly clear in and out of the game repeatedly I don't know what to say but even you can be wrong and even I have to be wary of you in a game like this.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

If Belzy is town and telling the truth.

They lied about having a green check on me for several phases.

They lied about me being loverised to them even though they nearly went over and could have easily been vigged or killed by mafia.

They chose to loverise dyachei (or me if there's some mech shenanigans) when their day 1 suspicion they themselves vocalised was millium and a town lover should target a mafia suspect not a top town.

I think you just ... accept that if a player who makes these decisions is town that it's okay to lose due to their decision making. No offence to Belzy if they are town, I think we've all been there where we've made incorrect decisions in mafia but ... this stuff is egregious at every level.

If Belzy is mafia I think Ender and Rondo are probably the last 2.

If somehow Belzy is town, which is the ... feeling I cannot shake that's opening up a myriad of tinfoil possibilities. Then we are probably just losing to Ilario, dya and whoever the fuck.

I think there's like almost no chance you are lovers with Belzy to be honest. I don't trust a word they say and they've proven that to be wise and I'm wondering how much I should be trusting you too.

[MacDougall]

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

just seems like every post you make is some stab at me

fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that

every time I speak of or to you I get a rebuke that feels like suspicion but you've come up short of ever actually attempting to chop me or persuade anyone to so I'm not sure what the purpose of the consistent negative attitude towards me is if you don't think I'm mafia

I'm literally not trying to do that though. I think you're town. But I don't trust your reads. You've kept me in the POE day after day. You've said I'm clear if belzy is mafia, but here you are in the same day saying you might shoot me even though you think belzy is mafia. I'm doing my best to understand your reads but if this is how you feel, I really don't need to interact with you anymore

I wouldn't trust my reads either from your vantage point but the way you go about interacting with me is too hostile for my taste. You just make me feel small every time you speak to me. And when I share with you how I'm feeling you don't care at all and say things like "if this is how you feel I don't need to interact with you anymore" which just sucks to read.

Instead of trying to see my perspective and slightly moderate the way you speak to me you just have this "I don't care about your feelings or attempts to appeal to my emotions" mentality that frankly annoys the shit out of me.

[MacDougall]

If Belzy is town and telling the truth.

They lied about having a green check on me for several phases.

They lied about me being loverised to them even though they nearly went over and could have easily been vigged or killed by mafia.

They chose to loverise dyachei (or me if there's some mech shenanigans) when their day 1 suspicion they themselves vocalised was millium and a town lover should target a mafia suspect not a top town.

I think you just ... accept that if a player who makes these decisions is town that it's okay to lose due to their decision making. No offence to Belzy if they are town, I think we've all been there where we've made incorrect decisions in mafia but ... this stuff is egregious at every level.

If Belzy is mafia I think Ender and Rondo are probably the last 2.

If somehow Belzy is town, which is the ... feeling I cannot shake that's opening up a myriad of tinfoil possibilities. Then we are probably just losing to Ilario, dya and whoever the fuck.

I think there's like almost no chance you are lovers with Belzy to be honest. I don't trust a word they say and they've proven that to be wise and I'm wondering how much I should be trusting you too.

You really think there is a world where Belzy and I can still both be mafia?

I mean there's tinfoil... and then there's TINFOIL.

[MacDougall]

I would say based on Neon's tinfoil on me here that there's very little chance they are mafia with Belzy if Belzy really did loverise me. So you can probably sheep that if it does turn out to be the case. I think "I think there's no chance you're really lovers with Belzy" is likely just a real thought which implied they don't know the truth of Belzy's claim.

[MacDougall]

The most feels bad scenario here is probably losing to something like Ilario/Ender/Rondo.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If you survive shoot wisp or dya imo

Won't be here for the rest of eod, if someone tags me with a video game to talk about ill dedicate my night post to it

[dyachei]

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

just seems like every post you make is some stab at me

fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that

every time I speak of or to you I get a rebuke that feels like suspicion but you've come up short of ever actually attempting to chop me or persuade anyone to so I'm not sure what the purpose of the consistent negative attitude towards me is if you don't think I'm mafia

I'm literally not trying to do that though. I think you're town. But I don't trust your reads. You've kept me in the POE day after day. You've said I'm clear if belzy is mafia, but here you are in the same day saying you might shoot me even though you think belzy is mafia. I'm doing my best to understand your reads but if this is how you feel, I really don't need to interact with you anymore

I wouldn't trust my reads either from your vantage point but the way you go about interacting with me is too hostile for my taste. You just make me feel small every time you speak to me. And when I share with you how I'm feeling you don't care at all and say things like "if this is how you feel I don't need to interact with you anymore" which just sucks to read.

Instead of trying to see my perspective and slightly moderate the way you speak to me you just have this "I don't care about your feelings or attempts to appeal to my emotions" mentality that frankly annoys the shit out of me.

interacting with you just makes you think I'm attacking you and makes me frustrated. I'm trying to get rid of the problem entirely. You don't like my methods, whatever. But I'm not going to validate your feelings that I'm attacking you or being sharp with you or however you try to put it because I'm not.

You did AtE and I stand by that. you tried to make me feel guilty for my posts and tried to impact my reads with it.

I'm not going to moderate the way I speak because I haven't been treating you like crap. It's perceived insult when there is none

[Millium]

If Belzy is town and telling the truth.

They lied about having a green check on me for several phases.

They lied about me being loverised to them even though they nearly went over and could have easily been vigged or killed by mafia.

They chose to loverise dyachei (or me if there's some mech shenanigans) when their day 1 suspicion they themselves vocalised was millium and a town lover should target a mafia suspect not a top town.

I think you just ... accept that if a player who makes these decisions is town that it's okay to lose due to their decision making. No offence to Belzy if they are town, I think we've all been there where we've made incorrect decisions in mafia but ... this stuff is egregious at every level.

If Belzy is mafia I think Ender and Rondo are probably the last 2.

If somehow Belzy is town, which is the ... feeling I cannot shake that's opening up a myriad of tinfoil possibilities. Then we are probably just losing to Ilario, dya and whoever the fuck.

I think there's like almost no chance you are lovers with Belzy to be honest. I don't trust a word they say and they've proven that to be wise and I'm wondering how much I should be trusting you too.

then he is outted when Belzy dies

[Millium]

If you survive shoot wisp or dya imo

Won't be here for the rest of eod, if someone tags me with a video game to talk about ill dedicate my night post to it

thoughts on Tactics Ogre Reborn?

[dyachei]

I honestly don't care if mac shoots me. The game will be over sooner and I won't have to keep being told how mean I am

[ilario]

If Belzy is town and telling the truth.

They lied about having a green check on me for several phases.

They lied about me being loverised to them even though they nearly went over and could have easily been vigged or killed by mafia.

They chose to loverise dyachei (or me if there's some mech shenanigans) when their day 1 suspicion they themselves vocalised was millium and a town lover should target a mafia suspect not a top town.

I think you just ... accept that if a player who makes these decisions is town that it's okay to lose due to their decision making. No offence to Belzy if they are town, I think we've all been there where we've made incorrect decisions in mafia but ... this stuff is egregious at every level.

If Belzy is mafia I think Ender and Rondo are probably the last 2.

If somehow Belzy is town, which is the ... feeling I cannot shake that's opening up a myriad of tinfoil possibilities. Then we are probably just losing to Ilario, dya and whoever the fuck.

ender?? i mean i can see it and hope thats the case to validate my push, but what changed your mind?

[MacDougall]

i'm just trying to go by what you said in the thread

just seems like every post you make is some stab at me

fmpov it seems like I can't say anything without you getting offended

I'm not making stabs at you. I can't be any clearer than that

every time I speak of or to you I get a rebuke that feels like suspicion but you've come up short of ever actually attempting to chop me or persuade anyone to so I'm not sure what the purpose of the consistent negative attitude towards me is if you don't think I'm mafia

I'm literally not trying to do that though. I think you're town. But I don't trust your reads. You've kept me in the POE day after day. You've said I'm clear if belzy is mafia, but here you are in the same day saying you might shoot me even though you think belzy is mafia. I'm doing my best to understand your reads but if this is how you feel, I really don't need to interact with you anymore

I wouldn't trust my reads either from your vantage point but the way you go about interacting with me is too hostile for my taste. You just make me feel small every time you speak to me. And when I share with you how I'm feeling you don't care at all and say things like "if this is how you feel I don't need to interact with you anymore" which just sucks to read.

Instead of trying to see my perspective and slightly moderate the way you speak to me you just have this "I don't care about your feelings or attempts to appeal to my emotions" mentality that frankly annoys the shit out of me.

interacting with you just makes you think I'm attacking you and makes me frustrated. I'm trying to get rid of the problem entirely. You don't like my methods, whatever. But I'm not going to validate your feelings that I'm attacking you or being sharp with you or however you try to put it because I'm not.

You did AtE and I stand by that. you tried to make me feel guilty for my posts and tried to impact my reads with it.

I'm not going to moderate the way I speak because I haven't been treating you like crap. It's perceived insult when there is none

I didn't try to make you feel guilty dya, I was very aggrieved. You don't seem to recognise that it's possible that I was offended even if you didn't mean it and literally all it would have taken to nip this in the bud sooner was "I didn't mean to upset you sorry if I did" or even without the apology and we'd have moved past this but instead you just accused me of ate and try to keep the moral high ground, which is fine and you're entitled to do whatever you please, but is actually such a difficult stance for me to comprehend its contributing to my suspicion and tinfoil on you.

Like when I look at all the possibilities to comprehend why you're engaging with me the way you are, it is much easier to reconcile that it's because you're mafia and attribute it to that.

But then again I also know that you're a good wolf and would probably actually be more inclined to nurture my ego for your own benefit if you were mafia.

So I have this internal conflict that's highly complex that stems from this dialogue that's affecting my ability to solve the game. My rational mind and emotional mind are misaligned and for the most part I've been playing as though rational mind is correct (ie. you're just town and I'm being overly sensitive and if you were mafia you'd play into my sensitivity not against it) but every time you engage me the undertone (that probably stems from just not understanding that having conflicting content and an unstable worldview is both normal for me and caused by the gamestate) of incredulity fires off my internal self defense mechanisms and is creating this irritating circular dialogue that I'm sure both of us would rather not be engaged in.

So with that said I'm just going to operate under the assumption that you are town, I'm the one with the problem not you and try to pretend your approach to me isn't annoying.

[MacDougall]

If Belzy is town and telling the truth.

They lied about having a green check on me for several phases.

They lied about me being loverised to them even though they nearly went over and could have easily been vigged or killed by mafia.

They chose to loverise dyachei (or me if there's some mech shenanigans) when their day 1 suspicion they themselves vocalised was millium and a town lover should target a mafia suspect not a top town.

I think you just ... accept that if a player who makes these decisions is town that it's okay to lose due to their decision making. No offence to Belzy if they are town, I think we've all been there where we've made incorrect decisions in mafia but ... this stuff is egregious at every level.

If Belzy is mafia I think Ender and Rondo are probably the last 2.

If somehow Belzy is town, which is the ... feeling I cannot shake that's opening up a myriad of tinfoil possibilities. Then we are probably just losing to Ilario, dya and whoever the fuck.

I think there's like almost no chance you are lovers with Belzy to be honest. I don't trust a word they say and they've proven that to be wise and I'm wondering how much I should be trusting you too.

then he is outted when Belzy dies

You think that if Belzy died and flips mafia if I dont die I'm outed?

Please explain.

[dyachei]

@ilario have you posted an ender case? I dont remember

[MacDougall]

If Belzy is town and telling the truth.

They lied about having a green check on me for several phases.

They lied about me being loverised to them even though they nearly went over and could have easily been vigged or killed by mafia.

They chose to loverise dyachei (or me if there's some mech shenanigans) when their day 1 suspicion they themselves vocalised was millium and a town lover should target a mafia suspect not a top town.

I think you just ... accept that if a player who makes these decisions is town that it's okay to lose due to their decision making. No offence to Belzy if they are town, I think we've all been there where we've made incorrect decisions in mafia but ... this stuff is egregious at every level.

If Belzy is mafia I think Ender and Rondo are probably the last 2.

If somehow Belzy is town, which is the ... feeling I cannot shake that's opening up a myriad of tinfoil possibilities. Then we are probably just losing to Ilario, dya and whoever the fuck.

ender?? i mean i can see it and hope thats the case to validate my push, but what changed your mind?

Belzy being mafia would mean that I've been a pawn in the mafia game and immediately lends suspicion to those who've been more vocally aligned to me and makes the players who've been less of a Mac ally more likely to be town. It would indicate that the mafia gameplan has been to steer me since as early as n1. Ender would be the primary suspect. Lilypetal would be second.