Anniversary Game 3 - Cindy Kate Meet Up [GAME OVER - TOWN WIN]

[MacDougall]

Cuz if it's ilario it can straight up just be both neon and lily... which of you was speculating that their interactions today looked like theatre?

Could be. Could be Rondo.

Maybe this is where we get the Ilario redemption arc where he's right on Rondo.

it could always be Rondo. But I dont like Enders egging on here

Focus friend. The game hinges largely on how you proceed in this short window you have to solve.

[MacDougall]

Towny Ender paranoia tho.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin what's your gut tell you re. Ilario?

Lol crossposted you bruv.

[RondoDimBuckle]

See this is what I mean, I bounce my vote around and every time it’s met with “omg, why does this person deserve this many votes”

i mean i checked vc and she had 5 votes

and i just looked at her iso and saw nothing bad

so im rightfully confused?

So can you explain why you believe I’m scummy then?

how about u dont vote lhf the entire game if ur town

Just because their lhf doesn’t mean their town lol

Link me why you voted Porscha. I don't want to ISO you because I want you to show thread for the record

possibly soft D of Porscha?

[MacDougall]

if i take nook ender millium is that enough to win even if we ml dya?

Possibly if we do all of that before we resolve Belzy. I think it's dicey if you do the Belzy/Mac trade beforehand.

[ilario]

Also if it wasn't obvious by me appealing to ilario to consider that sometimes I'm right then lemme say it:

I kinda think ilario has been pocketed and I was trying to get him to see it.

i give everyone the benefit of the doubt fwiw. it could be just me whose the one thats confbiased, i tr u more strongly than dya now after all this so ill side with you if i have to pick a side. i think ur both town personally though.

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin what's your gut tell you re. Ilario?

Lol crossposted you bruv.

I seen. I am still kinda on that he's just gone full powerwolf leaning into being accused of being wolfsiding town type dealio bant.

[RondoDimBuckle]

no like actually what has porscha done we have to stop MLing porscha lol

if there's even a chance she's town im not touching her

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

@Millium

@Chamomile

@EnderWiggin

@ilario

can you give me a 1-2 sentence reason to why you're voting porscha?

Wagon comp + minimal reads + L + Ratio

are we going to joke and say that's indicative of w!porscha?

Idk usually i can find her pretty quickly and I can't here, if she's town skill issue on my part ig

i mean tbf she hasnt posted that much content at all but like it's porscha we're talking about lol this isn't out of character imo

this just feels like lhf

Eh i mean

I dont expect dense wallposts obviously but she usually has more, and she usually has a "figuring things out" vibe where here she has kind of a "Tuesday morning and im still hungover from Sunday night so might as well hair of the dog it cause oh my fucking god its only Tuesday morning and I have four more days of this monotony and Marcus is already trying to talk to me and I dont want to respond but I have to so im gonna fake smile and go through the motions" vibe you know what i mean

what is nooks record on Porscha? From how he is talking here he either has played with her a lot and has been right on her a lot but it could be TMI. But I dont really know if this kind of push on a partner is in Nooks wolf range. Lately I have been leaning nook 3p

[ilario]

me not hard shielding dya is considering u might be right btw.

[EnderWiggin]

10 people alive.

There is NOT 4 mafia, else this would be announced lylo.

If Belzy is loverised, 2 + 1 = 7. So lylo if Belzy and Mac are town. If one is mafia (Belzy) then we have 1 ml spare.

4 town confirmed > 3. 3 days.

You need one more confirmed town to lock game ilario.

[MacDougall]

Also if it wasn't obvious by me appealing to ilario to consider that sometimes I'm right then lemme say it:

I kinda think ilario has been pocketed and I was trying to get him to see it.

i give everyone the benefit of the doubt fwiw. it could be just me whose the one thats confbiased, i tr u more strongly than dya now after all this so ill side with you if i have to pick a side. i think ur both town personally though.

Alright let's hear it. Take a giant breath and write out your dyachei towncase. I will read it.

[MacDougall]

10 people alive.

There is NOT 4 mafia, else this would be announced lylo.

If Belzy is loverised, 2 + 1 = 7. So lylo if Belzy and Mac are town. If one is mafia (Belzy) then we have 1 ml spare.

4 town confirmed > 3. 3 days.

You need one more confirmed town to lock game ilario.

We need to really resolve the 3p along the way. They are unlikely to be benign or they are more likely to already be outed on claims given the way syndicate 3p play works.

[RondoDimBuckle]

i mean i checked vc and she had 5 votes

and i just looked at her iso and saw nothing bad

so im rightfully confused?

So can you explain why you believe I’m scummy then?

how about u dont vote lhf the entire game if ur town

Just because their lhf doesn’t mean their town lol

Link me why you voted Porscha. I don't want to ISO you because I want you to show thread for the record

I mean it’s in my iso, it’s already out there and shown for the thread.

Super town much wow

lol, I hate that this makes me think of KotH Neon, but she keeps trying to go for lily / messing with the town vibe so I do live in a Neon wolf world just off last game with her

[MacDougall]

If Ilario is town, he needs to figure out who the town is between Rondo and Dyachei right?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@EnderWiggin what's your gut tell you re. Ilario?

Lol crossposted you bruv.

pockety post Ender

[RondoDimBuckle]

cool page 42 done onto Dya

[MacDougall]

Mafia

Belzy
Dya
Neon

3p

Lily

this is the dream right?

[ilario]

Also if it wasn't obvious by me appealing to ilario to consider that sometimes I'm right then lemme say it:

I kinda think ilario has been pocketed and I was trying to get him to see it.

i give everyone the benefit of the doubt fwiw. it could be just me whose the one thats confbiased, i tr u more strongly than dya now after all this so ill side with you if i have to pick a side. i think ur both town personally though.

Alright let's hear it. Take a giant breath and write out your dyachei towncase. I will read it.

i think its better dya does it. incase im wrong its best im not the one defending dya or else ill just get attached to the read and confbias myself to it. if im right then the only way ender and dya find each other is from each other, and not with me as a third party mediator.

[MacDougall]

cool page 42 done onto Dya

i meant start at page 42 and keep going but ... sure i guess

[ilario]

If Ilario is town, he needs to figure out who the town is between Rondo and Dyachei right?

lily and neon i think?

ill probs take lily

[RondoDimBuckle]

DYA CASING:

Spoiler: show

sup. trying to get caught up

NAI

think mac is town. his attitude feels more free flowing than his recent wolf games

NAI

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

Kinda NAI but Seanzie did call this out. I'm not going to use that tho because Seanzie calls out lots of people and some are town.

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

This is our third game together I think, both other games you were a wolf?

I might me misrecalling, but is this a real thought? It doesn't feel real.

I think we've played 4 because in at least 1 i was a villager

you'r erather subdued this game so far

NAI

also wolfy pop in from seanzie

NAI

alison whats your read on seanzie?

Singular focus, small footprint. Wolftell. (Weak because it's early.)

kind of think aro is town but I'm basing this off of turbo meta which is prob bad

NAI but noted for later changes.

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Focus on Seanzie. Still mostly NAI.

i like spf this game

NAI.

It's hard to catch up when there are like 20 new pages overnight when i can't post

Fair but NAI.

how come I see nanook talking on this page about voting on alison but they're on me?

Eh but NAI.

I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

NAI.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

NAI.

No mention of the SPF townread.

also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Most of their posts at this point were about Seanzie or "I townread x". There's not a lot to engage with that tbh. This feels weird.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

add spf to the v lean section

Quick enough that I'd generally call it an NAI mistake. But still noted.

I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

I'm not saying its intentional? Mostly signaling the impact in the thread if it makes any sense.

And like, I know that Porscha being present in the thread and *doing* stuff is town indicative, so I put Porscha in wolflean because that's not happening. With you I dont have that type of insight and just observing tbh

activity isn't a tell for me, usually. I can post as wolf and villager. Activity is strictly based on availability

As someone who has the same issue I empathise with this. Also NAI.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

Talk to me about aro?

I think he's explaining his reads better than he does when he's wolfing but my experience with him is mostly in turbos which is why it's only a lean

NAI mostly. Kinda weak but Dya admits it.

also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy

I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him

Not always but I can see this as an observation from town perspective.

@RondoDimBuckle

I'm not obv towning because I usually don't d1 and I've had limited time

I could make this wolfy but tbh there's explanations for it. (Wolfy "Why did it take so long to respond this? Possibly going back to respond because it's a teammate." but also "Catching up" and other explanations as town.)

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Hello dya, I hope everything is going well with your baby since our last game together.

I think I've only played with a townSean, and I surely don't often see a townSean as an obvi townSean. What are you looking for in his posting you are not seeing here?

@Belzy

I expect to see Seanzie thinking in the thread and solving. I'm not seeing that. I expect seanzie to have pretty strong opinions about wolves. I'm not really seeing that, either

Hope you're doing well

Kinda wolfy interaction with someone I think flips red here (Belzy).

But mehNAI

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

Almost like you had a "Null" section and a "Wolf lean" section on your readslist. This is just really un-charitable to Aro.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Kinda NAI, notably a lot of Dya's focus on Seanzie's posts and thoughts.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

NAI more interaction with Seanzie.

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

The narrow focus on Aro/Seanzie is my first concern in this.

Since I posted my last reads list and have done a lot of questioning and interacting and backreading my list looks more like this.

Confident town

Allison
Belzy
ilario
Lilypetal
EnderWiggen
Neon
Tilgarial

Slight town lean

dyachei
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Seanzie

Slight wolf lean

arogame123
RondoDimBuckle

Wolf lean

Millium
Porscha
santygrass
staypositivefriend

@MacDougall how did i go from wolfy to towny in your reads list?

NAI

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

NAI.

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

Eh but NAI

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

All I see is an outed wolf waiting to be flipped and someone who could possibly be their partner, but I'm not super confident on that second part.

lmao im not even v reading them seanzie

NAI still.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

This is a really weak fire back.

I want to note heavily that Dya's spent all this time ignoring a lot of content including the start of sus on Porscha.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

NAI self-meta.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

NAI.

so seanzie, why am I a potential partner to santy but not millium who has the same take I have?

So focused on Seanzie, but obviously aware of other parts of the thread.

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

whenever I see your avi, I keep thinking of chilly from champs
if you're mafia and win this game, it would be highly entertaining if your reactionpost was "Oh"

I've been rocking this avi for like 5 years or something

NAI.

V
mac
ilario
millium

v lean
spf

scum lean
aro
seanzie
alison

No statement about Alison but still calling this NAI.

alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

This is the only reason provided. It's kinda weak.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

Okay, HERE'S where it gets spicy. Aro wagon start when Porscha/Wisp are the wagons. Has never addressed Porscha sus, or anything about that at all. Has not even mentioned Porscha yet.

alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

You have I just haven't read any of it because I haven't read a bunch of posts made when I was asleep. If you want I can do an ISO and share my thoughts.

yeah

NAI

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Dya clearly has people with no read, aka "null", but not in scumleans. Perhaps difference in terminology usage but this is such a nitpick as to WHY Aro is the wagon.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

This push is toothless. This is not a real reason to scumread someone over Millium "Selfvote" Wisp and Porscha "Wolfy" Porscha.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

NAI meh.

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Meh.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

Tries to invalidate a town's reason for townreading another town. But I'll be generous and call this NAI.

I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

Has now addressed the Millium wagon. Still no mention of Porscha.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

ok. I see you have improved your opinion on Seanzie after he started doing things as well. So perhaps you aren't treating Seanzie as poorly as I thought.

What are your reads on Wisp, aro and Porscha?

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

"No read on Porscha". First mention and it was because Alison has forced it.

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Shouldn't that be a red flag?

no. It's not a red flag because it seemed cross posted for 1 and for 2 you seemed to really believe it

NAI but still heavily focusing on Seanzie.

I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

You can vote Millium for being scummy instead of for policy if you want.

I dont really think he's being wolfy but I dont know his meta

NAI.

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

I'd be ok with an aro vote as well. Aro and Wisp are my top two scumreads.

am voting aro currently

NAI.

@dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

STILL hyperfocused on Aro/Seanzie.

@dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

Right but still to change from a leaning town to a vote on day 1 just doesn’t sit right based on the reasoning you mentioned.

Like I even explained it to u and I feel like you dismissed it tbh.

yes i dont buy your explanation. it still seems like fake categorization.

Aro is pointing out how it feels like such a weak reason for Dya's apparent strength of read.

and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Weak response.

and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Yea but I stated my reasoning and that it’s borderline and I’m not even pushing u that hard.

I’m gonna state how I feel about my reads and place them where I feel is fit even if you feel like it’s unjustified compared to others.

and I'm allowed to make reads based on what you put into thread

NAI.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

This is such a reach of a read god.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

Mrrrrrr.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

This would be a surprising tunnel if town.

nanook and the other name were not being consensus wolf read at the time, I was.

Mrrrr. Wolfy self-focus.

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

I actually am disappointed in myself as a whole about this wagon so meh but NAI for this.

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

But that’s disengenious is my point because you’re saying I’m doing that when that’s not my intention and then you saying “I will do that” is just really unfair since it’s assuming something.

And you know what they say, assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Also, Alison explicitly stated I tried to get votes on her today which that is not true. I never once tried to get votes piled on Alison today from others.

you do understand the game of mafia relies on picking up patterns and set ups, right? Like you have to make some assumptions regarding what people are doing to make reads

This is bad. Also echoing and pushing Alison to do this is feelsbad.

So @dyachei do u think the 3 people I’ve placed in my nulls are my partners then that I didn’t put them in poE? Cause u seemed more upset about that at first of my treatment of u compared to the other 3 I had in my nulls lol.

not necessarily no. I think you're setting up easy mis-elims. That doesnt automatically make the people in the null pile your partners

talk about assumptions

Mrrrrr.

i think porscha aro are never w/w

Porscha defends aro early and then takes issue with aro when he tries to take validity away from her TR of me. The convo doesn't read like w/w at all

Otherwise Porscha feels comfy in thread and hasn't done anything offensive. I wouldn't look there today and if aro flips W I'd lock her V

@staypositivefriend

porscha and aro are already a solved difference check

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

Heavily advocating for Aro.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

Directing focus to the Millium wagon, once again ignoring the Porscha wagon.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

Defending their position.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

can you show me it and what you liked about it?

was a very similar thought process to mine. So it was kind of like mindmelding a bit.

More defending position.

also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

SECOND reference to Porscha. Again directly when it's addressed to them.

man i think cham and aro are both howling rn

Echo chambering a read Alison has.

also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

porscha and aro are already a solved difference check

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

I am voting millium. You strictly asked a millium voter to unvote.

i asked why you werent voting aro after saying you were confident he was mafia. i didnt look for your vote beyond seeing you were not on aro

"I don't care about the other wagons, certainly not the one on a wolf b-baka."

like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

Pushing the wagon again.

What does BTSC mean?

behind th scenes chat

NAI

like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

seanzie pointed out that the porscha wagon is close to millium's, you asked me to unvote millium and vote aro which would have made that even closer... not sure why you're confused why I made the statement I did... calm down anyway its not as if this goes anywhere

let me repeat since you seem unable to understand. i did not know you were voting millium

I think aro and cham are more likely to flip wolf than millium, as well. I don't want a wagon on porscha. I want wagons on cham and aro but mostly aro since there's a chance he could go over

Strangely resistant to a wagon on Porscha.

seanzie also pointed that out after i asked you. and he was commenting more on someone else saying that porscha was probably mafia as a result of gamestate

Echoing the anti-Porscha-Mafia-On-Gamestate read.

Lowkey Porscha been scummy as fuck during this last cpl hours lol.

Lowkey kinda agree but also Chamo howling makes me not care about that for now.

yeah but like does chamo and arogame being supremely scummy atm truly indicate that wisp is a hit like...

do they both just out themselves to save wisp who is 100% going over here?

@dyachei do you think porscha is scummier than wisp?

porscha is always a weird read for me. so yes because they are null. i just dont think they are the best wagon for today

"I'm not defending my partner honest."

Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

"Haha look at me post about limming my partner."

Someone give me a gun tonight and I'll reward you by shooting mafia.

you would shoot yourself?

NAI but actually funny.

Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

tbf I said mac was being silly when he accused you of that

was a joke

NAI

I will be flipping town so once again, please do not be discouraged if you are town and are on my wagon. It happens, don’t worry about it.

Just promise me you’ll win the game and follow my legacy

we still have 2 and a half hours of the dayphase left and you are nearly tied with another wagon so idk why youre throwing in the towel so early. it seems quite possible for you to survive dont u think?

hour 30 i think isnt it?

NAI

Kk Nanook is considered Outed then and I will do my utmost to absolute murderize them

Alison has claimed stuff like this before and was only telling half truths. I kind of get why nanook doesnt trust her. I don't think nook is outed at all

This mildly might be pairing with Nanook lol.

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

NAI

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

NAI.

Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

NAI. Still pushing on Aro.

Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

I was busy lol and was watching football.

But I have provided my reads/legacies in depth quite a bunch and it's pretty clear where I stand.

summarize

NAI.

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

But also Dya sussed for exactly reads and not the pushes made.

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

Ew.

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

"It's not your reads but it's your reads."

So, for town, we have mac/Ilario/Nanook/ender/Rondo/Lily

Don’t kill in there and we should be fine.

Below that, we have spf/neon/wisp where they need some attention but def not on high radar rn. Spf pushing me isn’t a good look but it’s fine, I trust her if she’s town to turn it around.

Alison mentioned she can inno herself so if she can’t do that, you just insta kill her, that simple.

Then we have the kill list:

You guys should kill Porscha, Tilg, Dya, Santy, Cham, and Seanzie.

You should always start with Porscha after me and go from there and evaluate, thanks!

Ah here it is! This is my legacy arigato

you really think me/seanzie was w/w theater?

Lol.

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

"I have no read on this person but you voting there was opportunistic."

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

NAI. I'll give it NAI.

what do i get out of it by continuing to go at you if I'm a wolf?

Focus and a lack of requirement to read anyone else today.

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

NAI.

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

? You didn't respond to my reads/legacy lol

idk why ur getting upset dya.

not upset at all

just responding to your points in thread

NAI.

END OF DAY ONE:
Summary:
Focused entirely on Aro/Seanzie. Provided almost no content that wasn't a throwaway "I townread x" outside pushing them. Weak reasons and changing goalposts. Slight add of Chamo pushing. All 3 were town.

Tl;dr
1. Narrow focus on Seanzie/Aro on Early D1.
2. Starts the Aro counterwagon to Porscha having NEVER interacted, mentioned, or even addressed anything about Porscha. Doesn't mention or address Porscha/Porscha wagon until Alison forces them to.
3. Sussed Aro for reads and then claimed reads aren't the reason and that it was pushes. Look through Dya's ISO and work out which push.
4. EVEN when Dya finally admits to sussing Porscha on D2, never commits to primary wagon them and pushes Seanzie/Chamo/Alison over them until Lily rescinds Mech defense and asks people to wagon. The moment the Mech defense appears it swaps over again.
5. Constantly undermines Mac's reads while calling him town. (Pocketing due to loverised with teammate.) This is INSTANT on D2, where from the start of it Dya engages with Mac as "Wrong towny" from their first set of posts.

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

(Post was too long so I'm splitting it in 2.)

for a first impression, for an ender case this has a lot of "NAI" written next to "evidence"

[VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin what's your gut tell you re. Ilario?

Lol crossposted you bruv.

pockety post Ender

If Ender is mafia I'm taking the L

I doubt you consider him mafia once you read his case

[MacDougall]

DYA CASING:

Spoiler: show

sup. trying to get caught up

NAI

think mac is town. his attitude feels more free flowing than his recent wolf games

NAI

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

Kinda NAI but Seanzie did call this out. I'm not going to use that tho because Seanzie calls out lots of people and some are town.

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

This is our third game together I think, both other games you were a wolf?

I might me misrecalling, but is this a real thought? It doesn't feel real.

I think we've played 4 because in at least 1 i was a villager

you'r erather subdued this game so far

NAI

also wolfy pop in from seanzie

NAI

alison whats your read on seanzie?

Singular focus, small footprint. Wolftell. (Weak because it's early.)

kind of think aro is town but I'm basing this off of turbo meta which is prob bad

NAI but noted for later changes.

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Focus on Seanzie. Still mostly NAI.

i like spf this game

NAI.

It's hard to catch up when there are like 20 new pages overnight when i can't post

Fair but NAI.

how come I see nanook talking on this page about voting on alison but they're on me?

Eh but NAI.

I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

NAI.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

NAI.

No mention of the SPF townread.

also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Most of their posts at this point were about Seanzie or "I townread x". There's not a lot to engage with that tbh. This feels weird.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

add spf to the v lean section

Quick enough that I'd generally call it an NAI mistake. But still noted.

I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

I'm not saying its intentional? Mostly signaling the impact in the thread if it makes any sense.

And like, I know that Porscha being present in the thread and *doing* stuff is town indicative, so I put Porscha in wolflean because that's not happening. With you I dont have that type of insight and just observing tbh

activity isn't a tell for me, usually. I can post as wolf and villager. Activity is strictly based on availability

As someone who has the same issue I empathise with this. Also NAI.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

Talk to me about aro?

I think he's explaining his reads better than he does when he's wolfing but my experience with him is mostly in turbos which is why it's only a lean

NAI mostly. Kinda weak but Dya admits it.

also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy

I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him

Not always but I can see this as an observation from town perspective.

@RondoDimBuckle

I'm not obv towning because I usually don't d1 and I've had limited time

I could make this wolfy but tbh there's explanations for it. (Wolfy "Why did it take so long to respond this? Possibly going back to respond because it's a teammate." but also "Catching up" and other explanations as town.)

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Hello dya, I hope everything is going well with your baby since our last game together.

I think I've only played with a townSean, and I surely don't often see a townSean as an obvi townSean. What are you looking for in his posting you are not seeing here?

@Belzy

I expect to see Seanzie thinking in the thread and solving. I'm not seeing that. I expect seanzie to have pretty strong opinions about wolves. I'm not really seeing that, either

Hope you're doing well

Kinda wolfy interaction with someone I think flips red here (Belzy).

But mehNAI

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

Almost like you had a "Null" section and a "Wolf lean" section on your readslist. This is just really un-charitable to Aro.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Kinda NAI, notably a lot of Dya's focus on Seanzie's posts and thoughts.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

NAI more interaction with Seanzie.

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

The narrow focus on Aro/Seanzie is my first concern in this.

Since I posted my last reads list and have done a lot of questioning and interacting and backreading my list looks more like this.

Confident town

Allison
Belzy
ilario
Lilypetal
EnderWiggen
Neon
Tilgarial

Slight town lean

dyachei
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Seanzie

Slight wolf lean

arogame123
RondoDimBuckle

Wolf lean

Millium
Porscha
santygrass
staypositivefriend

@MacDougall how did i go from wolfy to towny in your reads list?

NAI

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

NAI.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

Eh but NAI

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

All I see is an outed wolf waiting to be flipped and someone who could possibly be their partner, but I'm not super confident on that second part.

lmao im not even v reading them seanzie

NAI still.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

This is a really weak fire back.

I want to note heavily that Dya's spent all this time ignoring a lot of content including the start of sus on Porscha.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

NAI self-meta.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

NAI.

so seanzie, why am I a potential partner to santy but not millium who has the same take I have?

So focused on Seanzie, but obviously aware of other parts of the thread.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

whenever I see your avi, I keep thinking of chilly from champs
if you're mafia and win this game, it would be highly entertaining if your reactionpost was "Oh"

I've been rocking this avi for like 5 years or something

NAI.

V
mac
ilario
millium

v lean
spf

scum lean
aro
seanzie
alison

No statement about Alison but still calling this NAI.

alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

This is the only reason provided. It's kinda weak.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

Okay, HERE'S where it gets spicy. Aro wagon start when Porscha/Wisp are the wagons. Has never addressed Porscha sus, or anything about that at all. Has not even mentioned Porscha yet.

alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

You have I just haven't read any of it because I haven't read a bunch of posts made when I was asleep. If you want I can do an ISO and share my thoughts.

yeah

NAI

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Dya clearly has people with no read, aka "null", but not in scumleans. Perhaps difference in terminology usage but this is such a nitpick as to WHY Aro is the wagon.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

This push is toothless. This is not a real reason to scumread someone over Millium "Selfvote" Wisp and Porscha "Wolfy" Porscha.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

NAI meh.

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Meh.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

Tries to invalidate a town's reason for townreading another town. But I'll be generous and call this NAI.

I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

Has now addressed the Millium wagon. Still no mention of Porscha.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

ok. I see you have improved your opinion on Seanzie after he started doing things as well. So perhaps you aren't treating Seanzie as poorly as I thought.

What are your reads on Wisp, aro and Porscha?

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

"No read on Porscha". First mention and it was because Alison has forced it.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Shouldn't that be a red flag?

no. It's not a red flag because it seemed cross posted for 1 and for 2 you seemed to really believe it

NAI but still heavily focusing on Seanzie.

I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

You can vote Millium for being scummy instead of for policy if you want.

I dont really think he's being wolfy but I dont know his meta

NAI.

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

I'd be ok with an aro vote as well. Aro and Wisp are my top two scumreads.

am voting aro currently

NAI.

@dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

STILL hyperfocused on Aro/Seanzie.

@dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

Right but still to change from a leaning town to a vote on day 1 just doesn’t sit right based on the reasoning you mentioned.

Like I even explained it to u and I feel like you dismissed it tbh.

yes i dont buy your explanation. it still seems like fake categorization.

Aro is pointing out how it feels like such a weak reason for Dya's apparent strength of read.

and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Weak response.

and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Yea but I stated my reasoning and that it’s borderline and I’m not even pushing u that hard.

I’m gonna state how I feel about my reads and place them where I feel is fit even if you feel like it’s unjustified compared to others.

and I'm allowed to make reads based on what you put into thread

NAI.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

This is such a reach of a read god.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

Mrrrrrr.

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

This would be a surprising tunnel if town.

nanook and the other name were not being consensus wolf read at the time, I was.

Mrrrr. Wolfy self-focus.

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

I actually am disappointed in myself as a whole about this wagon so meh but NAI for this.

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

But that’s disengenious is my point because you’re saying I’m doing that when that’s not my intention and then you saying “I will do that” is just really unfair since it’s assuming something.

And you know what they say, assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Also, Alison explicitly stated I tried to get votes on her today which that is not true. I never once tried to get votes piled on Alison today from others.

you do understand the game of mafia relies on picking up patterns and set ups, right? Like you have to make some assumptions regarding what people are doing to make reads

This is bad. Also echoing and pushing Alison to do this is feelsbad.

So @dyachei do u think the 3 people I’ve placed in my nulls are my partners then that I didn’t put them in poE? Cause u seemed more upset about that at first of my treatment of u compared to the other 3 I had in my nulls lol.

not necessarily no. I think you're setting up easy mis-elims. That doesnt automatically make the people in the null pile your partners

talk about assumptions

Mrrrrr.

i think porscha aro are never w/w

Porscha defends aro early and then takes issue with aro when he tries to take validity away from her TR of me. The convo doesn't read like w/w at all

Otherwise Porscha feels comfy in thread and hasn't done anything offensive. I wouldn't look there today and if aro flips W I'd lock her V

@staypositivefriend

porscha and aro are already a solved difference check

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

Heavily advocating for Aro.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

Directing focus to the Millium wagon, once again ignoring the Porscha wagon.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

Defending their position.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

can you show me it and what you liked about it?

was a very similar thought process to mine. So it was kind of like mindmelding a bit.

More defending position.

also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

SECOND reference to Porscha. Again directly when it's addressed to them.

man i think cham and aro are both howling rn

Echo chambering a read Alison has.

also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

I am voting millium. You strictly asked a millium voter to unvote.

i asked why you werent voting aro after saying you were confident he was mafia. i didnt look for your vote beyond seeing you were not on aro

"I don't care about the other wagons, certainly not the one on a wolf b-baka."

like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

Pushing the wagon again.

What does BTSC mean?

behind th scenes chat

NAI

like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

seanzie pointed out that the porscha wagon is close to millium's, you asked me to unvote millium and vote aro which would have made that even closer... not sure why you're confused why I made the statement I did... calm down anyway its not as if this goes anywhere

let me repeat since you seem unable to understand. i did not know you were voting millium

I think aro and cham are more likely to flip wolf than millium, as well. I don't want a wagon on porscha. I want wagons on cham and aro but mostly aro since there's a chance he could go over

Strangely resistant to a wagon on Porscha.

seanzie also pointed that out after i asked you. and he was commenting more on someone else saying that porscha was probably mafia as a result of gamestate

Echoing the anti-Porscha-Mafia-On-Gamestate read.

Lowkey Porscha been scummy as fuck during this last cpl hours lol.

Lowkey kinda agree but also Chamo howling makes me not care about that for now.

yeah but like does chamo and arogame being supremely scummy atm truly indicate that wisp is a hit like...

do they both just out themselves to save wisp who is 100% going over here?

@dyachei do you think porscha is scummier than wisp?

porscha is always a weird read for me. so yes because they are null. i just dont think they are the best wagon for today

"I'm not defending my partner honest."

Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

"Haha look at me post about limming my partner."

Someone give me a gun tonight and I'll reward you by shooting mafia.

you would shoot yourself?

NAI but actually funny.

Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

tbf I said mac was being silly when he accused you of that

was a joke

NAI

I will be flipping town so once again, please do not be discouraged if you are town and are on my wagon. It happens, don’t worry about it.

Just promise me you’ll win the game and follow my legacy

we still have 2 and a half hours of the dayphase left and you are nearly tied with another wagon so idk why youre throwing in the towel so early. it seems quite possible for you to survive dont u think?

hour 30 i think isnt it?

NAI

Kk Nanook is considered Outed then and I will do my utmost to absolute murderize them

Alison has claimed stuff like this before and was only telling half truths. I kind of get why nanook doesnt trust her. I don't think nook is outed at all

This mildly might be pairing with Nanook lol.

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

NAI

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

NAI.

Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

NAI. Still pushing on Aro.

Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

I was busy lol and was watching football.

But I have provided my reads/legacies in depth quite a bunch and it's pretty clear where I stand.

summarize

NAI.

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

But also Dya sussed for exactly reads and not the pushes made.

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

Ew.

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

"It's not your reads but it's your reads."

So, for town, we have mac/Ilario/Nanook/ender/Rondo/Lily

Don’t kill in there and we should be fine.

Below that, we have spf/neon/wisp where they need some attention but def not on high radar rn. Spf pushing me isn’t a good look but it’s fine, I trust her if she’s town to turn it around.

Alison mentioned she can inno herself so if she can’t do that, you just insta kill her, that simple.

Then we have the kill list:

You guys should kill Porscha, Tilg, Dya, Santy, Cham, and Seanzie.

You should always start with Porscha after me and go from there and evaluate, thanks!

Ah here it is! This is my legacy arigato

you really think me/seanzie was w/w theater?

Lol.

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

"I have no read on this person but you voting there was opportunistic."

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

NAI. I'll give it NAI.

what do i get out of it by continuing to go at you if I'm a wolf?

Focus and a lack of requirement to read anyone else today.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

NAI.

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

? You didn't respond to my reads/legacy lol

idk why ur getting upset dya.

not upset at all

just responding to your points in thread

NAI.

END OF DAY ONE:
Summary:
Focused entirely on Aro/Seanzie. Provided almost no content that wasn't a throwaway "I townread x" outside pushing them. Weak reasons and changing goalposts. Slight add of Chamo pushing. All 3 were town.

Tl;dr
1. Narrow focus on Seanzie/Aro on Early D1.
2. Starts the Aro counterwagon to Porscha having NEVER interacted, mentioned, or even addressed anything about Porscha. Doesn't mention or address Porscha/Porscha wagon until Alison forces them to.
3. Sussed Aro for reads and then claimed reads aren't the reason and that it was pushes. Look through Dya's ISO and work out which push.
4. EVEN when Dya finally admits to sussing Porscha on D2, never commits to primary wagon them and pushes Seanzie/Chamo/Alison over them until Lily rescinds Mech defense and asks people to wagon. The moment the Mech defense appears it swaps over again.
5. Constantly undermines Mac's reads while calling him town. (Pocketing due to loverised with teammate.) This is INSTANT on D2, where from the start of it Dya engages with Mac as "Wrong towny" from their first set of posts.

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

(Post was too long so I'm splitting it in 2.)

for a first impression, for an ender case this has a lot of "NAI" written next to "evidence"

[VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

cool page 42 done onto Dya

i meant start at page 42 and keep going but ... sure i guess

I dont think you fully comprehend my irl situation right now. I have just come back from watching phantom of the opera and I am being a TERRIBLE host

[MacDougall]

Hahaha fuck dem guests

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hahaha fuck dem guests

Spoiler: show

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thats the plan

[RondoDimBuckle]

@EnderWiggin I am calling you out. You are mafia

[EnderWiggin]

DYA CASING:

Spoiler: show

sup. trying to get caught up

NAI

think mac is town. his attitude feels more free flowing than his recent wolf games

NAI

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

Kinda NAI but Seanzie did call this out. I'm not going to use that tho because Seanzie calls out lots of people and some are town.

i think this is the first game i've seen where seanzie has not overwhelmed me with his towniness

This is our third game together I think, both other games you were a wolf?

I might me misrecalling, but is this a real thought? It doesn't feel real.

I think we've played 4 because in at least 1 i was a villager

you'r erather subdued this game so far

NAI

also wolfy pop in from seanzie

NAI

alison whats your read on seanzie?

Singular focus, small footprint. Wolftell. (Weak because it's early.)

kind of think aro is town but I'm basing this off of turbo meta which is prob bad

NAI but noted for later changes.

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Focus on Seanzie. Still mostly NAI.

i like spf this game

NAI.

It's hard to catch up when there are like 20 new pages overnight when i can't post

Fair but NAI.

how come I see nanook talking on this page about voting on alison but they're on me?

Eh but NAI.

I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

NAI.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

NAI.

No mention of the SPF townread.

also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Most of their posts at this point were about Seanzie or "I townread x". There's not a lot to engage with that tbh. This feels weird.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

add spf to the v lean section

Quick enough that I'd generally call it an NAI mistake. But still noted.

I'm not UTR, I'm just busy lol. I have to post while the baby naps

I'm not saying its intentional? Mostly signaling the impact in the thread if it makes any sense.

And like, I know that Porscha being present in the thread and *doing* stuff is town indicative, so I put Porscha in wolflean because that's not happening. With you I dont have that type of insight and just observing tbh

activity isn't a tell for me, usually. I can post as wolf and villager. Activity is strictly based on availability

As someone who has the same issue I empathise with this. Also NAI.

I think ilario is hitting his town notes.

V
Mac
ilario

v lean
aro

null
everyone else

Scum lean
seanzie

Talk to me about aro?

I think he's explaining his reads better than he does when he's wolfing but my experience with him is mostly in turbos which is why it's only a lean

NAI mostly. Kinda weak but Dya admits it.

also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it

Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy

I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him

Not always but I can see this as an observation from town perspective.

@RondoDimBuckle

I'm not obv towning because I usually don't d1 and I've had limited time

I could make this wolfy but tbh there's explanations for it. (Wolfy "Why did it take so long to respond this? Possibly going back to respond because it's a teammate." but also "Catching up" and other explanations as town.)

k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

Hello dya, I hope everything is going well with your baby since our last game together.

I think I've only played with a townSean, and I surely don't often see a townSean as an obvi townSean. What are you looking for in his posting you are not seeing here?

@Belzy

I expect to see Seanzie thinking in the thread and solving. I'm not seeing that. I expect seanzie to have pretty strong opinions about wolves. I'm not really seeing that, either

Hope you're doing well

Kinda wolfy interaction with someone I think flips red here (Belzy).

But mehNAI

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

Almost like you had a "Null" section and a "Wolf lean" section on your readslist. This is just really un-charitable to Aro.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Kinda NAI, notably a lot of Dya's focus on Seanzie's posts and thoughts.

I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

NAI more interaction with Seanzie.

I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

The narrow focus on Aro/Seanzie is my first concern in this.

Since I posted my last reads list and have done a lot of questioning and interacting and backreading my list looks more like this.

Confident town

Allison
Belzy
ilario
Lilypetal
EnderWiggen
Neon
Tilgarial

Slight town lean

dyachei
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Seanzie

Slight wolf lean

arogame123
RondoDimBuckle

Wolf lean

Millium
Porscha
santygrass
staypositivefriend

@MacDougall how did i go from wolfy to towny in your reads list?

NAI

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

NAI.

I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

Eh but NAI

wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

All I see is an outed wolf waiting to be flipped and someone who could possibly be their partner, but I'm not super confident on that second part.

lmao im not even v reading them seanzie

NAI still.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

This is a really weak fire back.

I want to note heavily that Dya's spent all this time ignoring a lot of content including the start of sus on Porscha.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

NAI self-meta.

apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

NAI.

so seanzie, why am I a potential partner to santy but not millium who has the same take I have?

So focused on Seanzie, but obviously aware of other parts of the thread.

I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

seems like a skill issue

whenever I see your avi, I keep thinking of chilly from champs
if you're mafia and win this game, it would be highly entertaining if your reactionpost was "Oh"

I've been rocking this avi for like 5 years or something

NAI.

V
mac
ilario
millium

v lean
spf

scum lean
aro
seanzie
alison

No statement about Alison but still calling this NAI.

alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

This is the only reason provided. It's kinda weak.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

Okay, HERE'S where it gets spicy. Aro wagon start when Porscha/Wisp are the wagons. Has never addressed Porscha sus, or anything about that at all. Has not even mentioned Porscha yet.

alison i think i've been posting enough today to have more than a shrug read on for you

You have I just haven't read any of it because I haven't read a bunch of posts made when I was asleep. If you want I can do an ISO and share my thoughts.

yeah

NAI

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Dya clearly has people with no read, aka "null", but not in scumleans. Perhaps difference in terminology usage but this is such a nitpick as to WHY Aro is the wagon.

[VOTE: aro] aubergine

You had me as leaning town to now voting me? Can you explain this progression and pop in with only about 40 minutes left in EOD? Lol

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

This push is toothless. This is not a real reason to scumread someone over Millium "Selfvote" Wisp and Porscha "Wolfy" Porscha.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

NAI meh.

I explained earlier in posts you probably didnt read. I don't like that you have me in POE but have other people that had lowposted to that point in the null pile. also shouldnt null be in poe by definition?

Well I felt uninspired when u came in so I just put u at border of poE/null. It was more so I had u in poE than having u scummy.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Meh.

Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

Tries to invalidate a town's reason for townreading another town. But I'll be generous and call this NAI.

I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

Has now addressed the Millium wagon. Still no mention of Porscha.

yes because i was trying to get a feel for what you were doing in thread. I dont blindly follow your reads and you know that

Do you agree with the logic of the read? ie. Do you agree with me when I say that Seanzie not caring how people read him is a towntell, and that Seanzie has not cared how people read him this game?

I don't think that's a town tell for him, no.

ok. I see you have improved your opinion on Seanzie after he started doing things as well. So perhaps you aren't treating Seanzie as poorly as I thought.

What are your reads on Wisp, aro and Porscha?

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

"No read on Porscha". First mention and it was because Alison has forced it.

yes my issue isnt that you found me null. its that you put me in poe when you had a null section that wasnt in the poe. feels like a false categorization

Oh I see, I guess it’s more so that I read some of ur content that felt kind of weak-ish in catchup hence why I had u in that poE but with others like chamile who were strict null and Nanook who I had agreed with some reads on and seanzie who seemed to get some town reads here and there. So that’s why I had the list the way I did and kind of made some solidifications there based on what I saw from my pov.


But I guess my question is, why do you vote me over ur other sr? What are ur thoughts on Seanzie since it seemed like u had some issues around his slot?

well after scum reading seanzie he actually did some work so I'm less sure on him right now

Shouldn't that be a red flag?

no. It's not a red flag because it seemed cross posted for 1 and for 2 you seemed to really believe it

NAI but still heavily focusing on Seanzie.

I hate policy votes tbh and millium had a similar read to me of seanzie's case

You can vote Millium for being scummy instead of for policy if you want.

I dont really think he's being wolfy but I dont know his meta

NAI.

aro is a scum lean, wisp is a v lean, and no read on porscha

I'd be ok with an aro vote as well. Aro and Wisp are my top two scumreads.

am voting aro currently

NAI.

@dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

STILL hyperfocused on Aro/Seanzie.

@dyachei so ur telling me that my placement of u in poE in comparison to others that I’ve already explained is why you sr? I just feel like it’s odd considering how I’m tr me earlier in comparison to have that be the reason to switch to Now want to vote me today over anyone else based on ur reads.

you weren't a strong tr and i said it might be for bad reasons multiple times

Right but still to change from a leaning town to a vote on day 1 just doesn’t sit right based on the reasoning you mentioned.

Like I even explained it to u and I feel like you dismissed it tbh.

yes i dont buy your explanation. it still seems like fake categorization.

Aro is pointing out how it feels like such a weak reason for Dya's apparent strength of read.

and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Weak response.

and like the only reason to have that fake characterization is to keep me in the POE when others were wolf reading me.

Yea but I stated my reasoning and that it’s borderline and I’m not even pushing u that hard.

I’m gonna state how I feel about my reads and place them where I feel is fit even if you feel like it’s unjustified compared to others.

and I'm allowed to make reads based on what you put into thread

NAI.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

This is such a reach of a read god.

Do you feel like I was “echo-ing” people’s sr on you Dya or voicing for u to get push or throw shade onto ur slot?

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

Mrrrrrr.

I think you were throwing shade on my slot and keeping me easy to mis-elim

How so?

Before this convo, I never once really stated ur name as much or made a big post where I wanted u dead lol

yes, that's part of my issue with it. you threw me into POE without having discussed my posts like at all

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

This would be a surprising tunnel if town.

nanook and the other name were not being consensus wolf read at the time, I was.

Mrrrr. Wolfy self-focus.

I mean if I’m trying to mis-elim you, I’d do more than just put ur name in poE and now I’ve discussed why I did so in comparison to the other 3.

I feel like ur changing things now at first that U were upset that I placed you in poE in comparison to the other 3 to now you disliked that i put u in poE “for attempting to push u as an easy ml.”

you misunderstand

You're keeping me in easy reach to mis-elim. you're not actively trying right this second

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

I actually am disappointed in myself as a whole about this wagon so meh but NAI for this.

That's how he treated me too and he complained I was spinning false narratives when I called him out on it.

But you guys are kind of putting that in my mouth and are “anticipating what I’d do” when that’s not even true lol. Like you guys are thinking that’s what’s gonna happen but it hasn’t happen. So idk why you’d think about something that “could” happen when it hasn’t.

your defense is really "but I haven't done that yet"?

you're setting up to do it so we're calling you on it

But that’s disengenious is my point because you’re saying I’m doing that when that’s not my intention and then you saying “I will do that” is just really unfair since it’s assuming something.

And you know what they say, assume makes an ass out of u and me.

Also, Alison explicitly stated I tried to get votes on her today which that is not true. I never once tried to get votes piled on Alison today from others.

you do understand the game of mafia relies on picking up patterns and set ups, right? Like you have to make some assumptions regarding what people are doing to make reads

This is bad. Also echoing and pushing Alison to do this is feelsbad.

So @dyachei do u think the 3 people I’ve placed in my nulls are my partners then that I didn’t put them in poE? Cause u seemed more upset about that at first of my treatment of u compared to the other 3 I had in my nulls lol.

not necessarily no. I think you're setting up easy mis-elims. That doesnt automatically make the people in the null pile your partners

talk about assumptions

Mrrrrr.

i think porscha aro are never w/w

Porscha defends aro early and then takes issue with aro when he tries to take validity away from her TR of me. The convo doesn't read like w/w at all

Otherwise Porscha feels comfy in thread and hasn't done anything offensive. I wouldn't look there today and if aro flips W I'd lock her V

@staypositivefriend

porscha and aro are already a solved difference check

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

Heavily advocating for Aro.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

Directing focus to the Millium wagon, once again ignoring the Porscha wagon.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

Defending their position.

mac, i have a light v read on millium rn, yeah. I think even if he is wolf, aro is more likely to be a wolf

can you articulate why you think wisp is v?

i kind of liked their thought process when i was arguing with seanzie

can you show me it and what you liked about it?

was a very similar thought process to mine. So it was kind of like mindmelding a bit.

More defending position.

also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

SECOND reference to Porscha. Again directly when it's addressed to them.

man i think cham and aro are both howling rn

Echo chambering a read Alison has.

also dyachei is trying to pull votes off millium to put them onto arogame which could be simply to get porscha's wagon closer to millium's... especially given their stated reason for townreading wisp was trash.

no, i want votes to come off porscha and onto aro. i think aro is howling rn

What have I missed here exactly

I am very confident that arogame is mafia and you are never teammed so you're a solved difference check lol.

why not vote aro with me?

(and cham is kind of feeling teammate-y to him rn)

I am voting millium. You strictly asked a millium voter to unvote.

i asked why you werent voting aro after saying you were confident he was mafia. i didnt look for your vote beyond seeing you were not on aro

"I don't care about the other wagons, certainly not the one on a wolf b-baka."

like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

Pushing the wagon again.

What does BTSC mean?

behind th scenes chat

NAI

like i agree with mac that cham and aro are wolfing it up but buy trying to get votes on wolves im somehow protecting them?

seanzie pointed out that the porscha wagon is close to millium's, you asked me to unvote millium and vote aro which would have made that even closer... not sure why you're confused why I made the statement I did... calm down anyway its not as if this goes anywhere

let me repeat since you seem unable to understand. i did not know you were voting millium

I think aro and cham are more likely to flip wolf than millium, as well. I don't want a wagon on porscha. I want wagons on cham and aro but mostly aro since there's a chance he could go over

Strangely resistant to a wagon on Porscha.

seanzie also pointed that out after i asked you. and he was commenting more on someone else saying that porscha was probably mafia as a result of gamestate

Echoing the anti-Porscha-Mafia-On-Gamestate read.

Lowkey Porscha been scummy as fuck during this last cpl hours lol.

Lowkey kinda agree but also Chamo howling makes me not care about that for now.

yeah but like does chamo and arogame being supremely scummy atm truly indicate that wisp is a hit like...

do they both just out themselves to save wisp who is 100% going over here?

@dyachei do you think porscha is scummier than wisp?

porscha is always a weird read for me. so yes because they are null. i just dont think they are the best wagon for today

"I'm not defending my partner honest."

Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

"Haha look at me post about limming my partner."

Someone give me a gun tonight and I'll reward you by shooting mafia.

you would shoot yourself?

NAI but actually funny.

Just go aro then he's mafia in every world.

are you trying to get porscha elimmed?

tbf I said mac was being silly when he accused you of that

was a joke

NAI

I will be flipping town so once again, please do not be discouraged if you are town and are on my wagon. It happens, don’t worry about it.

Just promise me you’ll win the game and follow my legacy

we still have 2 and a half hours of the dayphase left and you are nearly tied with another wagon so idk why youre throwing in the towel so early. it seems quite possible for you to survive dont u think?

hour 30 i think isnt it?

NAI

Kk Nanook is considered Outed then and I will do my utmost to absolute murderize them

Alison has claimed stuff like this before and was only telling half truths. I kind of get why nanook doesnt trust her. I don't think nook is outed at all

This mildly might be pairing with Nanook lol.

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

NAI

I'm also not sure what to think about the thread suddenly going silent after everything boiled over into the aro wagon, I was kind of expecting there to be more energy around

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

NAI.

Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

NAI. Still pushing on Aro.

Honestly, with 10 votes and no competitive wagon, I can't really do much but provide my legacy.

I am not worried cause I know my town got this in the bag hehe

you've had like an hour to provide it and I see nothing

I was busy lol and was watching football.

But I have provided my reads/legacies in depth quite a bunch and it's pretty clear where I stand.

summarize

NAI.

am still here. just had to feed the baby momentarily

Yeah, people are still here
But the wagon movements/considerations are dead

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

But also Dya sussed for exactly reads and not the pushes made.

i think aro is outed so im not really concerned

also would be ok with a chamomile wagon

I don't understand how you think I am outted when I have never claimed mafia or anything but have continued to give reads throughout the day.

Just know you may be victorious rn but the town will come for u upon my death, so I do not worry hehe

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

Ew.

giving reads is not alignment indicative. I think your pushes have been wolfy

I am pushing on Porscha who u null read what?

I tr Wisp who u tr as well?

Which of my pushes have been wolfy?

And if u say urs then it's just blatantly false lmfao

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

"It's not your reads but it's your reads."

So, for town, we have mac/Ilario/Nanook/ender/Rondo/Lily

Don’t kill in there and we should be fine.

Below that, we have spf/neon/wisp where they need some attention but def not on high radar rn. Spf pushing me isn’t a good look but it’s fine, I trust her if she’s town to turn it around.

Alison mentioned she can inno herself so if she can’t do that, you just insta kill her, that simple.

Then we have the kill list:

You guys should kill Porscha, Tilg, Dya, Santy, Cham, and Seanzie.

You should always start with Porscha after me and go from there and evaluate, thanks!

Ah here it is! This is my legacy arigato

you really think me/seanzie was w/w theater?

Lol.

its mroe the way you've been pushing them. but i dont think porscha has been as bad as you claim and I didnt like your take on their wagon being stale because they had like 6 votes at the time

And they all redirected to Wisp/me lol.

And the way I've been pushing them? Can you elaborate further bc that's pretty vague

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

"I have no read on this person but you voting there was opportunistic."

i mean, it feels like you've been opportunistic with your reads and vote all day

How so? Every vote I made was on someone who I was either pushing to get a read on or sr?

You can't say it's opportunistic when I also voted on Neon at a time when she had no votes lol.

I also mentioned my issues on Porscha prior to her wagon growing. If I was opportunistic, I'd hop on the Wisp bandwagon and keep my lips sealed.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

NAI. I'll give it NAI.

what do i get out of it by continuing to go at you if I'm a wolf?

Focus and a lack of requirement to read anyone else today.

then we'll agree to disagree. because i think your vote on porscha was opportunistic

lol, we've clearly been in an agree to disagree this whole game esp when I clarified my stances on you but you refused to listen.

Like even with this convo, what are u getting out of it?

I am going to die regardless, like if ur town, you should be discussing with me about my reads, not to continue to "attempt" burrying me lol

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

NAI.

you literally asked. I asked you for your legacy, remember?

And I provided it

not before bitching about it being in the thread first

? You didn't respond to my reads/legacy lol

idk why ur getting upset dya.

not upset at all

just responding to your points in thread

NAI.

END OF DAY ONE:
Summary:
Focused entirely on Aro/Seanzie. Provided almost no content that wasn't a throwaway "I townread x" outside pushing them. Weak reasons and changing goalposts. Slight add of Chamo pushing. All 3 were town.

Tl;dr
1. Narrow focus on Seanzie/Aro on Early D1.
2. Starts the Aro counterwagon to Porscha having NEVER interacted, mentioned, or even addressed anything about Porscha. Doesn't mention or address Porscha/Porscha wagon until Alison forces them to.
3. Sussed Aro for reads and then claimed reads aren't the reason and that it was pushes. Look through Dya's ISO and work out which push.
4. EVEN when Dya finally admits to sussing Porscha on D2, never commits to primary wagon them and pushes Seanzie/Chamo/Alison over them until Lily rescinds Mech defense and asks people to wagon. The moment the Mech defense appears it swaps over again.
5. Constantly undermines Mac's reads while calling him town. (Pocketing due to loverised with teammate.) This is INSTANT on D2, where from the start of it Dya engages with Mac as "Wrong towny" from their first set of posts.

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

(Post was too long so I'm splitting it in 2.)

for a first impression, for an ender case this has a lot of "NAI" written next to "evidence"

[VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

I am quoting the entire ISO to prove my point and NAI posts are just that.

What in the fresh hells.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin I am calling you out. You are mafia

Ah, yes. I am definitely the mafia. You have caught me. Whatever will I do.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@EnderWiggin I am calling you out. You are mafia

Ah, yes. I am definitely the mafia. You have caught me. Whatever will I do.

alright, fair. It was a long shot anyway. Ender prob town. I didnt read the whole thing but its a lot of effort and honestly more effort than I have seen him do in a long time since Champs. If it bites me in the ass I dont care because I dont have time to do what I want.

[EnderWiggin]

You barely read the case and you latched onto the first excuse you had to vote me off it.

Don't think I know you.

The problem is that COULD just be Rondo trying to stop dealing with thread so he can ignore it.

OR.

Or it could just be Rondo mafia.

[RondoDimBuckle]

HAHAHAHA

[Millium]

From my quick skim, there is a lot of confirmation bias in the dya case

[EnderWiggin]

The fact that he admitted while I was calling him out for calling me mafia off the first thing he could from the case...

Is actually probably towny of Rondo.

[EnderWiggin]

From my quick skim, there is a lot of confirmation bias in the dya case

What are your thoughts on the takes in the tl;dr?

[RondoDimBuckle]

ok I have done my home work and spent way more than 20 minutes now I am going to go to bed

[EnderWiggin]

ok I have done my home work and spent way more than 20 minutes now I am going to go to bed

Have fun with your guest.

[Millium]

Rondo is still solving the game like its day 1, I've also seen town!Ender, bias himself into pushes late in the game

[RondoDimBuckle]

[redacted] you [redacted] Ender

[EnderWiggin]

Rondo is still solving the game like its day 1, I've also seen town!Ender, bias himself into pushes late in the game

I've also been right in the lategame.

[MacDougall]

Rondo is still solving the game like its day 1, I've also seen town!Ender, bias himself into pushes late in the game

He might be confirmation biased but I am pretty fucken sure he's also correct.

Also I don't know if you noticed but I locked you town so good on you for that.

[EnderWiggin]

I fully admit I'm not perfect but I'm pretty damn sure I've had a good enough track record to not be dismissed as "biasing himself into pushes."

If you're talking about the FoL game I'll point out that I was RIGHT about misty and couldn't swing that so I ended up letting myself move.

[RondoDimBuckle]

fuck, I left my fucking vote on Ender. God damn it [VOTE: dya ] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Also Rondo was asked to solve content from day cuz we were sitting here with our arms crossed trying to read how he reacted to a key page in the game lol.

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin what mafia rands on syndicate do you have I can look at briefly?

[Millium]

Honestly posy during day hours so I can sit down and actually analyze this stuff is all I can say lol.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin what mafia rands on syndicate do you have I can look at briefly?

The fruits one I had with Seanzie. The Guillo role-madness game I played with Alison/Brad/someothers.

I think that's the two main wolf rands on Syndi that I remember.

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly posy during day hours so I can sit down and actually analyze this stuff is all I can say lol.

Australian timezone says no.

[Millium]

I fully admit I'm not perfect but I'm pretty damn sure I've had a good enough track record to not be dismissed as "biasing himself into pushes."

If you're talking about the FoL game I'll point out that I was RIGHT about misty and couldn't swing that so I ended up letting myself move.

Yes that was the game, I thought it was on my home site. But ya that's all I can say from the quick skim and all the early NAIs

[MacDougall]

Wait you think we only have 3 mafia alive?