Anniversary Game 4 - Staff vs AtE D4

[Dyslexicon]

@lucy More words about why you think there's one in me and Rico would be appreciated. And also your own view of Rico's game and what it says about his alignment rn

[Violet]

Can anyone more familiar with the site confirm if violations against AtE policy are brought up in the thread like this? At first I didn't think about it, but considering the theme of the game, this might be related to a some in game ability.

Dunno how Nanook enforces AtE policy in other games, but it's probably ability-related, given the theme of this game.

Town, wolf, indy ability, though?

This reply does raise concern as it is quite clear the ability is related to the "staff" ie. the wolves in this game. Town has AtE as their theme, so if ou had a town role, you'd know the power belongs to wolves.

As wolves you would also know the power belongs to wolves though. However, as a wolf you could miss that town could easily figure out to who this ability belongs as you don't actually have to do any of the figuring out.

[Violet]

Can anyone more familiar with the site confirm if violations against AtE policy are brought up in the thread like this? At first I didn't think about it, but considering the theme of the game, this might be related to a some in game ability.

Dunno how Nanook enforces AtE policy in other games, but it's probably ability-related, given the theme of this game.

Town, wolf, indy ability, though?

This reply does raise concern as it is quite clear the ability is related to the "staff" ie. the wolves in this game. Town has AtE as their theme, so if ou had a town role, you'd know the power belongs to wolves.

As wolves you would also know the power belongs to wolves though. However, as a wolf you could miss that town could easily figure out to who this ability belongs as you don't actually have to do any of the figuring out.

Ehh, never mind. The flipped role of Dolby proves that mafia are not staff.

[Violet]

@Violet You know what's funny? I've already caught both you and Rico. But we can pretend I haven't for a while.

I love you too Dizzy <3

[Violet]

Alignment wise, I'm not quite sure I feel better about Lucy after this interaction. But I do like her/you a lot!

Lucy does not feel here like a wolf who just had their teammate shot on D2. I would say that does make her look better.

[Spacedaisy]

Gonna catch up, I prioritized NaNoWriMo writing lat night, so I'm just now getting into the thread. Got four pages to read and then I'll jump into conversation here.

[robyn]

@lucy More words about why you think there's one in me and Rico would be appreciated. And also your own view of Rico's game and what it says about his alignment rn

any words would be lies or rationalizations for something that's in my gut, I'm looking at your play and comparing it to his
I didn't trust my intuition that poked at the fact in sabi game there was 1 scum in wisdom/boq and sabi/bk, others found one in prince j and princess neon, so I'm trusting the one in 2 players thing here completely, any rationalizations or arguments would be supplementing what my gut says

[Violet]

Here's my current opinions ordered:

Spacedaisy
Lucy

Epignosis
Boquise

----- POE-----

TonyStarkPrime

Dyslexicon
Moonwink
Ricochet


Spacedaisy has felt town right from the beginning, and Lucy feels town to me as well.

Epi and Boq have had takes which I agree with, and I think their solving is on the right track. However, I do not get the same "pure" feel that I get from SpaceDaisy and Lucy.

TSP advocated for Dolby's elim from D1 and pushed Jack to blast Dolby. Dolby's role was not very strong, so there is a chance a wolf with stronger role could push Dolby to get credit. Also, even though TSP did take strong stance on Dolby, he did not push it that strongly and he voted other players.

Dizzy, Moonwink and Rico are the one's I don't get towny feels from. Will focus on those three more tomorrow. While Dizzy is townier than the rest here, I also respect Dizzy's range more.

Even though Dizzy is low on the list, I would not advocate eliminating him rn, as I feel he will be solvable on D3. What do you guys think of Dizzy?

[robyn]

I think it's a strategic mistake to vote dizzy d1, therefore I will vote TH, she's pinged me and I can't exactly explain why though

add d2 to this post too @Violet

[Moonwink]

@Moonwink Why are you so sure I'm town and stuff? It's bit off-putting lol

I'm not. I was just trying to play lazily with the hopes you'd eat the nightkill N1 if I managed to get everyone to call you town. Still feeling lazy, so I think I'm still gonna just lean-town you. If we both end up in LYLO, I'll just call you scum then, rather than sooner.

[robyn]

However, I do not get the same "pure" feel that I get from SpaceDaisy and Lucy.

I read marxist theory earlier, I'm not pure at all and more than half of America now believes I'm racist and evil, so much for purity

[Moonwink]

I would expect mafia members to be more eager to come out strong and make a lasting impression on Day 1 in this particular game.

Maybe not all the mafia members. But certainly one or two.

Wouldn't that just entirely depend on who the mafia are? Different people have different play styles.

Or let me ask another way: What makes you think this in particular?

I return to my general hunch that a mafioso in this environment would be more apt to make a bold play on Day 1 than normal.

I don't understand why or what you mean by that exactly, but that is quite ok. Whatever floats your boat rn tbh.

Boquise and Dizzy are my two biggest blindspots in this game. I haven’t pinned down a solid read on anything that either of them have done.

Okay, this made me giggle.

[robyn]

Will focus on those three more tomorrow

elaborate on moon read, thanks

[Moonwink]

Here's my current opinions ordered:

Spacedaisy
Lucy

Epignosis
Boquise

----- POE-----

TonyStarkPrime

Dyslexicon
Moonwink
Ricochet

Y'know, I dunno if I'm just feeling lazy or if it's something else, but I'm really vibing with this after seeing who is left in the game.

Let's go for TSP first.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

vote dizzy

[TonyStarkPrime]

maintaining that moonwink is ~obv wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

think dizzy has no bonafides

[robyn]

not to be a broken record but elaborate on moon/dizzy @TonyStarkPrime
and elaborate on Tony @Moonwink

you guys aren't elaborating on reads much at all, but neither am I lmao

[Moonwink]

maintaining that moonwink is ~obv wolf

Don't worry. I'm yeeting Violet tomorrow if she's wrong on you. :P

[TonyStarkPrime]

huh

[TonyStarkPrime]

tsp gonna angleshoot and clear some people here in just a sec

[Moonwink]

not to be a broken record but elaborate on moon/dizzy @TonyStarkPrime
and elaborate on Tony @Moonwink

you guys aren't elaborating on reads much at all, but neither am I lmao

I have a feeling we might all be trying to do the same thing. If this is the case, maybe it would be better if one of us outted their reads right now.

I guess I could do it?

[Dyslexicon]

@Moonwink Why are you so sure I'm town and stuff? It's bit off-putting lol

I'm not. I was just trying to play lazily with the hopes you'd eat the nightkill N1 if I managed to get everyone to call you town. Still feeling lazy, so I think I'm still gonna just lean-town you. If we both end up in LYLO, I'll just call you scum then, rather than sooner.

Eh. I want to buy that, which is in fact a town tactic.

[TonyStarkPrime]

dizzy said some stupid things and also maybe turned on after the dolby kill, moonwink is just off a bit, probably shouldn't be picking fights with me either, seems somewhat out of position

[robyn]

maintaining that moonwink is ~obv wolf

Don't worry. I'm yeeting Violet tomorrow if she's wrong on you. :P

violet put 3 people below tsp on readslist though

[TonyStarkPrime]

also tsp is so lock town this game that I don't think anyone who has more than 5 games with me should be thinking

[TonyStarkPrime]

angleshoot attempt failed

[robyn]

also tsp is so lock town this game that I don't think anyone who has more than 5 games with me should be thinking

you've done nothing until now, why should we TR you?

[Moonwink]

maintaining that moonwink is ~obv wolf

Don't worry. I'm yeeting Violet tomorrow if she's wrong on you. :P

violet put 3 people below tsp on readslist though

No she didn't. She forgot to put the '@' in front of mine, Ricochet's, and Dizzy's names to ping us about her read list. :P

[robyn]

maintaining that moonwink is ~obv wolf

Don't worry. I'm yeeting Violet tomorrow if she's wrong on you. :P

violet put 3 people below tsp on readslist though

No she didn't. She forgot to put the '@' in front of mine, Ricochet's, and Dizzy's names to ping us about her read list. :P

at least you made me laugh irl, ty for that

[Dyslexicon]

dizzy said some stupid things and also maybe turned on after the dolby kill, moonwink is just off a bit, probably shouldn't be picking fights with me either, seems somewhat out of position

What are the stupid things I said? I would not deny that I said stupid things. How does it make me mafia? I did turn more on after the dolby kill, motivation wise, I guess. I also was around after that and not before.

[robyn]

@Moonwink violet uses he/him btw

[Moonwink]

dizzy said some stupid things and also maybe turned on after the dolby kill, moonwink is just off a bit, probably shouldn't be picking fights with me either, seems somewhat out of position

The only other person I feel like picking a fight with right now is Violet, but I figured I could pull both of you into a fight with me by using her readslist as a springboard to push on you. :P

[Moonwink]

@Moonwink violet uses he/him btw

Ohhhh. My bad, Violet!

[Dyslexicon]

I feel decently ok about my vote on Rico though, if I dare say. So that's nice.

[Moonwink]

People I'm probably not gonna look at the rest of today because I (genuinely) think they could be town: Lucy, Boquise.

[Spacedaisy]

Day 1 Mafia in a vacuum is Spacedaisy, Dyslexicon, and Ricochet.

Your Daisy reading skills have gotten rusty, my friend. I am town. If I'm wolf, do you really think I'm going to lead a wagon on a townie? Nah, it's too easy to blend on Day 1 and your vote won't look too bad if it's somewhere in the middle of a wagon because no town knows what the fuck is going on because we don't have any information to go on yet. Leading a wagon as a wolf on day 1 would be super foolish of me. I was the first vote on Triplehaven because I was just voting my gut. It was entirely because I thought that read on me looked disingenuous. I came back ten minutes for the EoD and was trying to read up on some more to decide if something else felt better and I didn't feel that way.

Also, I am very much a busser. I don't protect my teammates. If Rico and I were on a mafia team together, I'm not protecting him. If he was my wolf teammate and got himself into trouble, that's his own problem.

Overall rainbow. Tiers are ranked.

Epi

Spacedaisy
Lucy
Dizzy
Moonwink
Violet
Boquise
Ricochet
TonystarkPrime

This for example is quite different from what you quoted from Epig and agreed with.
But I'm more in agreement with this.

The highlighted that you said is very much what I thought when I read this post from Boq too. What he quoted and agreed with is the first post I quoted by Epi.

@Moonwink Is there a reason you are talking about wanting to work with me and Epi and you have mentioned me more than once but you have never once spoken to me at all? Because it's weird. Why would you engage Epi about working with the three of us, but not me? Why would you ignore what I had to say about you before? What gives? I'd like to understand you but I just can't.

[Moonwink]

People I'm probably not gonna look at the rest of today because I (genuinely) think they could be town: Lucy, Boquise.

Lucy because I've liked my interactions with her, and Boquise because I'm getting the good kind of "weird vibes" from his posts. <3

[Spacedaisy]

PS Good work @Jackofhearts2005!

[Dyslexicon]

Also, I'm being nothing but genuine @TonyStarkPrime. =)

Gut feeling this is coming from a real place from TSP, so not really supporting the votes there rn.

[Dyslexicon]

Peeeersonally

[Moonwink]

I think the townread on SpaceDaisy is overblown. At most, she's probably a townlean -- good content, but lack of impact/presence in the game. She's in a position where she can just slip on by without people questioning her. Keep an eye on her.

[TonyStarkPrime]

also tsp is so lock town this game that I don't think anyone who has more than 5 games with me should be thinking

you've done nothing until now, why should we TR you?

why the hell would you tr me for doing something

[TonyStarkPrime]

dizzy said some stupid things and also maybe turned on after the dolby kill, moonwink is just off a bit, probably shouldn't be picking fights with me either, seems somewhat out of position

What are the stupid things I said? I would not deny that I said stupid things. How does it make me mafia? I did turn more on after the dolby kill, motivation wise, I guess. I also was around after that and not before.

I don't really think you're mafia but I'm following play patterns here. I'm thinking about the boq/tsp line but I just haven't really gotten a sense of how you're approaching the game yet, your statements feel a bit lost. Time for this to change, it's just been an hour or so

[TonyStarkPrime]

oh no people i think are wolves are saying smart things

[TonyStarkPrime]

back to my hidey hole

[Moonwink]

@Moonwink Is there a reason you are talking about wanting to work with me and Epi and you have mentioned me more than once but you have never once spoken to me at all? Because it's weird. Why would you engage Epi about working with the three of us, but not me? Why would you ignore what I had to say about you before? What gives? I'd like to understand you but I just can't.

I wanted to hear what Epi, specifically thought about the idea and the logic behind it. I thought it would be appealing to him given what I remembered about him the one time I played with him (I was Hyena back then). I thought it would be telling (on his part) if he rejected the idea.

[Dyslexicon]

I mean, do you think a VIG would have shot Martin last night even though Martin was townread by practically EVERYONE in the game? I mean, I get that sometime people go rogue and make crazy shots that go against what town thinks, but I don't get the vibe that we've got anyone like that in this game! :3

Why do you think it has to be a vig?

[Spacedaisy]

I think the townread on SpaceDaisy is overblown. At most, she's probably a townlean -- good content, but lack of impact/presence in the game. She's in a position where she can just slip on by without people questioning her. Keep an eye on her.

FWIW, I agree it's overblown. I voted a civ Day 1, and my read on Jack was off. Dolby wasn't even on my radar. Since I know it's correct, might I suggest that if you think it's overblown, and I am correct that maybe you should be asking why they are so sure about me being town?

EBWOP: Ah, finally you talk to me! So what do you think it would tell you if he rejected it? Or what do you think his response to it told you about him?

[Moonwink]

I mean, do you think a VIG would have shot Martin last night even though Martin was townread by practically EVERYONE in the game? I mean, I get that sometime people go rogue and make crazy shots that go against what town thinks, but I don't get the vibe that we've got anyone like that in this game! :3

Why do you think it has to be a vig?

No, what I'm saying is that I don't think TOWN killed Martin, particularly because EVERYONE was townreading Martin. I think SCUM killed Martin. Whether it's a vig, town arsonist, or something else doesn't matter.