Flyin' High wrote:@MP, I for one am not judging you as bad based on past games where you've done a masterful job of fooling the crowed. I think you're bad because your posts are ignoring key things and I feel if you were civvie, you would be considering all possibilities, not constructing WIFOM-filled reasons for things. And I feel that it's very odd the way you seemed to panic at the very mention of Snow Dog being on anyone's radar when he was simply casually mentioned at the start of the day.
Also, you seem to have done a complete 180 on Kate today. When this day period began you were leaning heavily civvie for her. Now you are accusing her of being Horde?
@juliets: The Horde did try to kill Aces on Night 2 so he's probably not Horde, I suppose it's possible he's one of the remaining Snake Mountain but it's hard to say since he's been so insanely quiet (like many other players).
*Linki* I will look at the roles again but I just don't see how what you're saying has the possibility of being true. You're basically saying both baddie teams not only screw with just about every lynch, but also many actions that happen at night. That seems awfully overpowered. Maybe it's true, but again, I just feel that it's highly unlikely that such a massive amount of manipulation is occurring.
I am trying to consider all possibilities. The only reason I may be seeming like I'm creating WIFOM-filled reasons is because I've been proverbially shat on by The Horde. Go back and look at all my posts for quite some time, I've always tried to very strongly steer the lynch away from Snow Dog. I had to.
I don't know about Kate, I keep going back and forth on her. I just am trying to look at my spreadsheet and figure out who I have pegged wrong because I don't know who it is. Her actions have largely spoken civvie to me, with maybe one or two exceptions. I'm just getting caught up on all the WIFOM, especially because I know the Horde is loving all of this today, so I can't get past the fact that someone I'm thinking I should trust I actually shouldn't. I know it sounds silly as hell, and actually completely against my normal logical train of thought and game behavior, but I seriously have reason behind it, or else I wouldn't do it. Simple enough. I realize it's a leap of faith, but that's what I'm asking for. My actions have seemed civvie up until today, that's because they have been civvie.
I agree, it seems very highly unlikely, but we have clearly had THREE lynch switches this game (one of which, timmer's, I'm still not sure was indy or not), but then we also had the Slime Pit, as well as god knows what else is going on here. What if Hordak has been constantly or even nearly constantly gunning for powerful technology only, and with Grizzlor's assistance? It would mean they could have as many as 4 or even 5 powerful technologies, though that's unlikely. I realize it's all speculation, but I know what's happened to me, I know what's happened in the thread, and I know the push against Snow Dog (and the fact that timmer pushed it before and that he STILL COULD be Horde also seems to make me wonder), and all of it just keeps making me consider all these things. If all of these lynch switches AND Horde Pit AND this weird crap I've had to deal with are possible, then why not? It also explains why Horde could even still have a solid chance of winning this game, even though we've performed so well. It's driving me god damn nuts, and perhaps as a result I've been questioning things that otherwise should seem straightforward just from what's public in the roles or what people have been vouching. I'm very well aware of how I may seem, but keep in mind every single thing about me that I've said is true, and my actions throughout the entire game would make total sense, would they not?
I mean, I'm not fucking kidding.
But I'm done and out of here because I need to get a lecture and some homework done today. I know I said I wouldn't elaborate any further, but hopefully at least SOMEONE will see that I'm playing my civvie game and believe me here.
I swear I have laughed way too much today.... but there again, when is laughing too much a bad thing? 
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Granted, he was already one of the people on my big question mark list so I can't say I'm surprised by such suspicious behavior.