Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[Kate]

I'd like to be done with this topic now, k?

What would you like to talk about next?

I don't know...the state of the nation?

[robyn]

I'd like to be done with this topic now, k?

What would you like to talk about next?

I don't know...the state of the nation?

so much for this

[S~V~S]

@S~V~S - re 'one of splints and mata'

If you had to pick one as wolf right now, which feels righter in your gut.

Mata. Splints is always a hard read for me. She hasn't done/said anything that made me crook my head. With Mata, it's more "lack of" than anything she's done, if that makes sense. And I know Mata has irl concerns. But but. I just feel better about Splints, she seems to be forming the right thread connections, if that makes sense. But again, she doesn't really have any tone tells, she is admirably proficient at having a very flat, steady presence in games, regardless of affiliation. But Mata is more lack of what I expect, and that's how I elimmed Bea in Game 1. Lack of rather than actual suspicious behavior.

I mainly included Neon in my GTH becasue i was not sure about Jack, but Neons own content has not set off any bells.

[S~V~S]

1) doc was obviously on dennis
2) i'm gonna play more tomorrow cause i'm still frustrated we have had v/v wagons for 2 cycles

Why is that so obvious?

Everyone who has said something about me minus Scotty has said civ. Also it would've made Lucy look really bad after we had our fight, which assuming Lucy is civ would make it obvious to her.

I will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

Gun to head, my call for bad team is Lucy, Soneji and one of Splints or Mata, maybe Neon.

I think Bea would have been replaced already if she were bad, and Rox has a certain tone when she’s bad, especially if someone has spoken nastily to her. Last night after Lucy called her “Fucking Roxy”, she responded pretty calmly to it. It’s a long time since we’ve played together and I could be 100% wrong since this is a tone read. But that sharp element she has when bad is missing.

This feels really random please elaborate

It is random, it's a gun to head read. If I had to blurt out who I thought was bad, this would be it. I mainly included you becasue you replaced Jack. And I was waffly on Jack. He's Dennis' twin, and Dennis came in pretty strong, and my thought was that Jack may have been reluctant to be lying and being wolfy in front of Dennis, becasue I would imagine they would read each mother pretty well, even with no Mafia experience. But your own content seemed pretty engaged and gave me no reason to think you specifically bad, if that makes sense. It was just lingering suspicion from Jack. But I just replaced someone taking suspicion (who was town) in my last game, so I realize you need to be judged as you.

So that 's why I was pretty concrete on Splints or Mata, you were a maybe.

[S~V~S]

*each other lol

[Golden]

[VOTE: splints] aubergine

I’ve been flirting with it for a while

[Kate]

[VOTE: splints] aubergine

I’ve been flirting with it for a while

I was legitimately just about to do this as I was reading svs's posts.

[Golden]

Awesome, last night I was irritated, and decided to walk away and go shopping today instead. On a Sunday, a few weeks before Christmas. On Long Island, home of entitled assholes who all have road rage. Except in December, when they have even more road rage and a pair of stuffed antlers on their grille.

And after reading back some, maybe I made the right decision. Maybe Sabi is haunting me with the ghost of saltiness and irritation past. I wouldn't blame them if they were.

@Golden yesterday you and I convinced ourselves that a civ was bad and miselimmed them. We convinced ourselves of that because we thought they were steering the thread. Please don't tell me who to suspect, and that "someone else" is going to take care of it. Maybe they're not. Maybe Bea is the cop. Maybe the cop checked only civs. I don't want to rely on the cop, I want to rely on me. Also, I almost feel like you kind of tried to shame me a bit for suspecting who I suspect. Please don't do that. You know I loathe being steered.

But I am going to take your words under advisement and not deal with that today. I want no part of hijacking this thread. So, for today, as far as I'm concerned that person doesn't exist and I'm not planning on engaging in that suspicion.

I have to catch up and also haven't looked at my notifications, just came in and skimmed the thread. Gotta get dinner started and will be back.

What's the case on Mata? Other than cagey and quiet? Or is that the case?

@bea I'll miss you, but also totally understand. The world of corporate training never sleeps

SVS

Please stop telling me I’m trying to shame you. I wasn’t the first time, I’m not the second time. I never will.

You do what you want.

[Kate]

@S~V~S - re 'one of splints and mata'

If you had to pick one as wolf right now, which feels righter in your gut.

Mata. Splints is always a hard read for me. She hasn't done/said anything that made me crook my head. With Mata, it's more "lack of" than anything she's done, if that makes sense. And I know Mata has irl concerns. But but. I just feel better about Splints, she seems to be forming the right thread connections, if that makes sense. But again, she doesn't really have any tone tells, she is admirably proficient at having a very flat, steady presence in games, regardless of affiliation. But Mata is more lack of what I expect, and that's how I elimmed Bea in Game 1. Lack of rather than actual suspicious behavior.

I mainly included Neon in my GTH becasue i was not sure about Jack, but Neons own content has not set off any bells.

I don't think I agree, I remember Mata as a player who starts off slow and gets more engaged once the game is rolling. Plus I know she's been pretty sick. Her posts have seemed like she's trying to help in the time she's got available.

On the other hand, splints has been more spotty and disorganized than Mata. Has she made any guesses or stated opinions? I'm going to look through her posts.

But, gun to head, as you said I'd vote splints before Mata.

[S~V~S]

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

apparently town is starting to finally lynch a lowposter, what do u make of that? why is it townie now and not yesterday?

Excuse me? I am not sure what you are saying here. I found your vote for Bea suspect not so much becasue of low poster status (although I tend to find that baddies in a thread full of strong civvies ultimately always try to eliminate low posters BECAUSE they are low posters. Who else can you eliminate, really, if the civs are all vibing together? You either make aggressive cases against active civvies, or you default to low posters. It's the baddie way) as because you had a choice of two low posters, with 2 posts each, and you chose Bea, who had content up to that point, as opposed to Soneji who had zero content to that point. Then lo and behold like a little bit later, who shows up but Soneji? That was one of those things that make you go hmm.

Like I said, i find low posters as easy pickings for baddies, low lying fruit, as it were. You don't have to agree with me, but that is how I feel.

What low poster is the town lynching now?

But in any case, I am more interested in who you suspect (unless it's all low posters?)

Linki @Golden will do.

Linki @Kate I could be wrong. I don't ever recall seeing bad Mata, although i know I must have. And I said i know she has irl. I was asked a question, that was my take on it, but last I looked, I was ultra far from infallible lol. What is the case on Splints specifically? I am still replying to my @ and haven't read much of the thread, only skims.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[S~V~S]

One interesting thing in splints iso is that they ask who they should iso next, SVS offers sabi as a possibility for a fresh perspective, and splints doesn't do it.

I think SVS's choice of sabi was actually a very strong one, and her logic sound, and town splints perspective on sabi would have been valuable (and was urgent in the sense that it's too late now).

I dunno whether I think this is AI or just splints not having the time to follow through. Have to mull on that.

Right right right. I remembered "Oh yeah" ing this when you first posted it, but I forget about it.

What else, why are people voting for Splints? Is it like a default, not thinking it's Mata, or is it something Splints has done other than that ^^ ? Because i hate sending people home for no reason, and we've done enough of that this game.

[S~V~S]

The only good meta in mafia is one that constantly changes and adapts so that wolves can’t play a perfect civ game.

This ^^

Groupthink makes town more predictable, easier to end run around, and easier to trick by displaying conventional wisdom “pro town” behavior.

Just like real life, town has to constantly evolve.

[Kate]

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

apparently town is starting to finally lynch a lowposter, what do u make of that? why is it townie now and not yesterday?

Excuse me? I am not sure what you are saying here. I found your vote for Bea suspect not so much becasue of low poster status (although I tend to find that baddies in a thread full of strong civvies ultimately always try to eliminate low posters BECAUSE they are low posters. Who else can you eliminate, really, if the civs are all vibing together? You either make aggressive cases against active civvies, or you default to low posters. It's the baddie way) as because you had a choice of two low posters, with 2 posts each, and you chose Bea, who had content up to that point, as opposed to Soneji who had zero content to that point. Then lo and behold like a little bit later, who shows up but Soneji? That was one of those things that make you go hmm.

Like I said, i find low posters as easy pickings for baddies, low lying fruit, as it were. You don't have to agree with me, but that is how I feel.

What low poster is the town lynching now?

But in any case, I am more interested in who you suspect (unless it's all low posters?)

Linki @Golden will do.

Linki @Kate I could be wrong. I don't ever recall seeing bad Mata, although i know I must have. And I said i know she has irl. I was asked a question, that was my take on it, but last I looked, I was ultra far from infallible lol. What is the case on Splints specifically? I am still replying to my @ and haven't read much of the thread, only skims.

I've been mafia with Mata before and she was far more active than this. We had a 4 woman mafia team in a reywas game. The theme was like, his favorite TV characters or summat. I'm not saying she definitely civ, I'm just saying she seems more civ than splints. I just read her posts and there's nothing in there even worth quoting. Take a look and let me know what you think.

[S~V~S]

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

apparently town is starting to finally lynch a lowposter, what do u make of that? why is it townie now and not yesterday?

Excuse me? I am not sure what you are saying here. I found your vote for Bea suspect not so much becasue of low poster status (although I tend to find that baddies in a thread full of strong civvies ultimately always try to eliminate low posters BECAUSE they are low posters. Who else can you eliminate, really, if the civs are all vibing together? You either make aggressive cases against active civvies, or you default to low posters. It's the baddie way) as because you had a choice of two low posters, with 2 posts each, and you chose Bea, who had content up to that point, as opposed to Soneji who had zero content to that point. Then lo and behold like a little bit later, who shows up but Soneji? That was one of those things that make you go hmm.

Like I said, i find low posters as easy pickings for baddies, low lying fruit, as it were. You don't have to agree with me, but that is how I feel.

What low poster is the town lynching now?

But in any case, I am more interested in who you suspect (unless it's all low posters?)

Linki @Golden will do.

Linki @Kate I could be wrong. I don't ever recall seeing bad Mata, although i know I must have. And I said i know she has irl. I was asked a question, that was my take on it, but last I looked, I was ultra far from infallible lol. What is the case on Splints specifically? I am still replying to my @ and haven't read much of the thread, only skims.

I've been mafia with Mata before and she was far more active than this. We had a 4 woman mafia team in a reywas game. The theme was like, his favorite TV characters or summat. I'm not saying she definitely civ, I'm just saying she seems more civ than splints. I just read her posts and there's nothing in there even worth quoting. Take a look and let me know what you think.

Will do, I have to do some house stuff and finish catching up but definitely. I had good feels from her, but she is like Dom for me, she is almost a null emotionally. I don't get any emotional effect either way, she is very smooth that way, so I can't really tone read her any more than I can tone read Dom. And Dom can fool me better than anyone. If any of that makes sense.

[Kate]

Yes it does.

[robyn]

mata's a dom?

[Kate]

mata's a dom?

No Mata is matahari

Dom is Dom as in Dominick.

[robyn]

i prefer my interpretation

[Kate]

i prefer my interpretation

Well I doubt Mata would.

[robyn]

i prefer my interpretation

Well I doubt Mata would.

maybe she is a dom, ever considered that?

[Dennis]

This conversation reeks of derailing to me.

[Kate]

i prefer my interpretation

Well I doubt Mata would.

maybe she is a dom, ever considered that?

Why don't you stop now? Please.

[robyn]

kk

[Dennis]

I do think it's ironic that Scotty comes out of day one like 'here's marmot's rainbow list, look one of these two people he thinks is bad is probably the killer' and a day later I'm like 'hey scotty, maybe that analysis was at least a little good'.

eh

3 schools of thought with NK analysis, that may overlap in many cases:
Either
A) the mafia is quakin in their booties about that player going down the right track
Or
B) the mafia want to doc dodge and pick a target that’s innocuous enough but not obvious town
Or
C) the mafia pick a target that don’t implicate anyone and give almost a wash on analysis


I combed through marmot’s ISO and had a lot of C, where I wanted to see a lot of A, and came up mostly B. B and C often go hand in hand.

I don’t think marmot had a lot of indictments on others. It wasn’t like he was steering the thread on any one person- and unfortunately his biggest contribution was helping pile on Wilgy. That rainbow list included you and mata as semi scum reads, which I latched onto but in the end I think it has more to do with
-he didn’t have much suspicion one way or the other
-he probably didn’t incriminate any mafia.

It was a clean kill and I don’t like kt

It's only a clean kill if mata is town

But like how would that mafia conversation go?
Mata: “oh no, marmot has mild suspicion of me. Icarus is flying too close to my sun. He needs to go”
Mafia B: “go for it, I believe in you”
Dennis: “Shouldn’t we go for someone more obvtown?”
Mata: “no Dennis, look at me, look at me; I am the captain now”

I don’t see it

Why am I in this mafia scenario?

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca - have you met matahari before? How did you feel about her picking you out of a lineup to provide vibes on her first two substantive posts?

No, I don't know Matahari...and that's odd for sure.

[robyn]

okay ima take a break from this game for a bit

[S~V~S]

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

apparently town is starting to finally lynch a lowposter, what do u make of that? why is it townie now and not yesterday?

Excuse me? I am not sure what you are saying here. I found your vote for Bea suspect not so much becasue of low poster status (although I tend to find that baddies in a thread full of strong civvies ultimately always try to eliminate low posters BECAUSE they are low posters. Who else can you eliminate, really, if the civs are all vibing together? You either make aggressive cases against active civvies, or you default to low posters. It's the baddie way) as because you had a choice of two low posters, with 2 posts each, and you chose Bea, who had content up to that point, as opposed to Soneji who had zero content to that point. Then lo and behold like a little bit later, who shows up but Soneji? That was one of those things that make you go hmm.

Like I said, i find low posters as easy pickings for baddies, low lying fruit, as it were. You don't have to agree with me, but that is how I feel.

What low poster is the town lynching now?

But in any case, I am more interested in who you suspect (unless it's all low posters?)

Linki @Golden will do.

Linki @Kate I could be wrong. I don't ever recall seeing bad Mata, although i know I must have. And I said i know she has irl. I was asked a question, that was my take on it, but last I looked, I was ultra far from infallible lol. What is the case on Splints specifically? I am still replying to my @ and haven't read much of the thread, only skims.

I've been mafia with Mata before and she was far more active than this. We had a 4 woman mafia team in a reywas game. The theme was like, his favorite TV characters or summat. I'm not saying she definitely civ, I'm just saying she seems more civ than splints. I just read her posts and there's nothing in there even worth quoting. Take a look and let me know what you think.

Will do, I have to do some house stuff and finish catching up but definitely. I had good feels from her, but she is like Dom for me, she is almost a null emotionally. I don't get any emotional effect either way, she is very smooth that way, so I can't really tone read her any more than I can tone read Dom. And Dom can fool me better than anyone. If any of that makes sense.

I just read the subsequent convo and realized I was not clear. The person I am comparing to Dominick was Splints, not Mata. Splints reads the same, tone wise, to me regardless of affiliation. So now that I think of it, a town read on her by me is pretty pointless.

I had forgotten that. Gonna go read her now.

[Golden]

*each other lol

One of my favourite typos in context lol

[Golden]

Awesome, last night I was irritated, and decided to walk away and go shopping today instead. On a Sunday, a few weeks before Christmas. On Long Island, home of entitled assholes who all have road rage. Except in December, when they have even more road rage and a pair of stuffed antlers on their grille.

And after reading back some, maybe I made the right decision. Maybe Sabi is haunting me with the ghost of saltiness and irritation past. I wouldn't blame them if they were.

@Golden yesterday you and I convinced ourselves that a civ was bad and miselimmed them. We convinced ourselves of that because we thought they were steering the thread. Please don't tell me who to suspect, and that "someone else" is going to take care of it. Maybe they're not. Maybe Bea is the cop. Maybe the cop checked only civs. I don't want to rely on the cop, I want to rely on me. Also, I almost feel like you kind of tried to shame me a bit for suspecting who I suspect. Please don't do that. You know I loathe being steered.

But I am going to take your words under advisement and not deal with that today. I want no part of hijacking this thread. So, for today, as far as I'm concerned that person doesn't exist and I'm not planning on engaging in that suspicion.

I have to catch up and also haven't looked at my notifications, just came in and skimmed the thread. Gotta get dinner started and will be back.

What's the case on Mata? Other than cagey and quiet? Or is that the case?

@bea I'll miss you, but also totally understand. The world of corporate training never sleeps

SVS

Please stop telling me I’m trying to shame you. I wasn’t the first time, I’m not the second time. I never will.

You do what you want.

SVS I feel like this was sharp and I apologise.

I just want you to know that regardless of town/wolf, this is not a thing I will resort to to try to pocket or steer you. I personally think there’s value in giving Lucy some space and trying to solve, I think what i was saying was logical, but it’s not a replacement for your gut read and I respect and expect you to play based on your gut and disagree with me when you disagree.

[Golden]

One interesting thing in splints iso is that they ask who they should iso next, SVS offers sabi as a possibility for a fresh perspective, and splints doesn't do it.

I think SVS's choice of sabi was actually a very strong one, and her logic sound, and town splints perspective on sabi would have been valuable (and was urgent in the sense that it's too late now).

I dunno whether I think this is AI or just splints not having the time to follow through. Have to mull on that.

Right right right. I remembered "Oh yeah" ing this when you first posted it, but I forget about it.

What else, why are people voting for Splints? Is it like a default, not thinking it's Mata, or is it something Splints has done other than that ^^ ? Because i hate sending people home for no reason, and we've done enough of that this game.

For me, I have a tonne of townreads in the game. I’m trying to work more out about people I don’t townread. My gut is off with splints.

[Golden]

My gut is still off with mata too though. And soneji. And sometimes I just think I’m comfortable in Scotty’s wool and I find a flea.

[Golden]

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

apparently town is starting to finally lynch a lowposter, what do u make of that? why is it townie now and not yesterday?

Excuse me? I am not sure what you are saying here. I found your vote for Bea suspect not so much becasue of low poster status (although I tend to find that baddies in a thread full of strong civvies ultimately always try to eliminate low posters BECAUSE they are low posters. Who else can you eliminate, really, if the civs are all vibing together? You either make aggressive cases against active civvies, or you default to low posters. It's the baddie way) as because you had a choice of two low posters, with 2 posts each, and you chose Bea, who had content up to that point, as opposed to Soneji who had zero content to that point. Then lo and behold like a little bit later, who shows up but Soneji? That was one of those things that make you go hmm.

Like I said, i find low posters as easy pickings for baddies, low lying fruit, as it were. You don't have to agree with me, but that is how I feel.

What low poster is the town lynching now?

But in any case, I am more interested in who you suspect (unless it's all low posters?)

Linki @Golden will do.

Linki @Kate I could be wrong. I don't ever recall seeing bad Mata, although i know I must have. And I said i know she has irl. I was asked a question, that was my take on it, but last I looked, I was ultra far from infallible lol. What is the case on Splints specifically? I am still replying to my @ and haven't read much of the thread, only skims.

I've been mafia with Mata before and she was far more active than this. We had a 4 woman mafia team in a reywas game. The theme was like, his favorite TV characters or summat. I'm not saying she definitely civ, I'm just saying she seems more civ than splints. I just read her posts and there's nothing in there even worth quoting. Take a look and let me know what you think.

Will do, I have to do some house stuff and finish catching up but definitely. I had good feels from her, but she is like Dom for me, she is almost a null emotionally. I don't get any emotional effect either way, she is very smooth that way, so I can't really tone read her any more than I can tone read Dom. And Dom can fool me better than anyone. If any of that makes sense.

I agree on mata (and dom)

[Kate]

*each other lol

One of my favourite typos in context lol

Mine, too. It's like a Freudian slip

[robyn]

*each other lol

One of my favourite typos in context lol

Mine, too. It's like a Freudian slip

post 1984

[robyn]

literally 1984

[Kate]

literally 1984

What do you mean?

[robyn]

gen z humor sorry

[Kate]

gen z humor sorry

Nah, I get it.

[Golden]

I get it like I got the enema joke

Hey neon got any new reads?

[S~V~S]

Trolling the grown ups pretty much transcends generation

[Kate]

Hey, stay off my lawn!

[Kate]

I get it like I got the enema joke

Hey neon got any new reads?

You tease me in the exact same way my older brother does, and always has

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Got through almost all posts in game, will be somewhat around rest of day but have a D&D session then will be watching football, so divided focus.

Gone back to read it again:

Kate - holy bad countertrain, wtf guys.
Sabi - Sean, golden, SVS or Lucy contains a wolf. Also, ties are bad.
Scotty = not committing, sure looks like a seanzie save to me. Rejects "SVS is obvtown" arguments.

Dennis - "with marmot dead, I'm not certain how to read the Wilgy wagon"
Seanzie - "not gonna dome sabi, that's derailing the thread, also SVS is obvitown"
SVS - Just explains her thinking

Instinct says Kate might just be caught up in that first bundle, it's not like examination of that group is bad. But it's quite central to why scotty and sabi are forefront of my mind today.

Conversely, the bottom group (people on the wilgy train) don't try to control the narrative at all.

The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.

I find the bolded rather amusing as controlling the narrative has been a large part of your play this game, including this post.

If at least one of scotty and sabi isn’t a wolf I’ll bite my hat twice.

One down, one to go. Don't see a Scotty push so far this day though, curious.

Dude...

Scotty: Seanzie, Who is a good alternative? Sabi? Me?

Me: You apparently already know what my answer would be.

Scotty: Seanzie won't give an alternative.

Think for a second, what did I actually say to your question?

I’ve been down this path with you before. Time is a circle jfc

When I go to the doctor for a pain in my chest, I don’t want the doctor to ask me what I think the problem is.

I offered you the chance yesterday to do some casing and alternative names, and offered a few names that I was assuming you suspected. Your response was very similar to this one.

This is how I get prescribed liver medication for my plaque psoriasis

This is my new favorite post in this game

Townie feeling frustration

Not gonna lie I'm still confused. Do you think Seanzie is doing things that make sense as wolf or not?

Sorry. My sarcasm was coming on strong.

It was a response to Golden not finding a single shred of evidence that Seanzie could be wolf, and I was listing legitimately wolfy things that one could stop and go “yeah, that doesn’t sound towny”

Whether or not I think he is wolf at the present? Im not sure. Leaning not? I think a lot of those could just be Seanzie. I have horrible memory and don’t remember if that is behavior he normally exhibits as town

Yeah it comes off rather disingenuous to act as if there are no valid reasons to suspect Seanzie.

Yeah, I have said if one isbad its Lucy.

Marmot is flipped
I know it’s not me
Seanzie is my top town at this point
SVS is also my top town at this point. They’re fighting for it.
I feel like the Dennis vote is clean.

I’m vibing town on Lucy but there’s some little reasons for doubt.

Also let me add to this that a clean wilgy wagon developing is the wolves wet dream. I'm not sure why any of them would jump on. Having it clean creates such a good opportunity to steer direction, which is exactly why I think it happened.

Reasons are simple : in a wolf Sean world, they obviously want to save their packmate. In a town Sean world, they're hoping to off a potential threat in Wilgy while the opportunity is ripe and they can act like they didn't think it'd go over, and then hope that town wants to flip the counterwagon the next day for the 2 for 1 special.

I will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.

By the way, my point in saying this is not 'the kill target was me'.

It's that self-perceiving that you were at risk and that the doc saved you is normal.

But I don't think the answer is obvious. Could be you, could be me, could be someone else. The doc might have saved themselves for all we know.

It's normal for a townie when they have reason to believe wolves think of them as a threat, which can be just felt as a known power town, but after being on two mislim wagons to start you'd think there would be some self-doubt that doc/wolves are prioritizing you.

Why?

Approach to Seanzie feels like someone who understands day one more through wolfchat than thread to me

Would you not say that if wolfchat was guiding someone coming into d2, going after Seanzie at the time of my post would be advised against considering there were multiple people defending him and momentum wasn't towards a Seanzie elim?

Do find it amusing that anyone thinks I'm being coached in general.

Pingy ping ping pingy ping

What’s pingy about it?

I found myself nodding along with it, like I’ve seemed to do with most of Soneji’s posts this game

It has exactly one purpose:

“Don’t listen to golden, he’s miseliming civs, stuff he says is probably bad”

Most of all, ‘nah, golden, you weren’t the kill target’ well fuckity fuck fuck fuck, why even go there?

Only… come on soneji, tell me who the wolf is on the wilgy wagon?

The whole post wasn’t about you, but I hear you.

I think having a mild level of suspicion on you is healthy in general

What about having a medium level of suspicion?

[Golden]

I get it like I got the enema joke

Hey neon got any new reads?

You tease me in the exact same way my older brother does, and always has

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Crashing your car is scary and I can't stop crying lol

sorry about that, i hope you feel better

I'm okay but I have to drive to work tonight and I'm having a panic attack just thinking about it

[Dennis]

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

No one pressured this. Why'd you vote splints?

[Scotty]

I do think it's ironic that Scotty comes out of day one like 'here's marmot's rainbow list, look one of these two people he thinks is bad is probably the killer' and a day later I'm like 'hey scotty, maybe that analysis was at least a little good'.

eh

3 schools of thought with NK analysis, that may overlap in many cases:
Either
A) the mafia is quakin in their booties about that player going down the right track
Or
B) the mafia want to doc dodge and pick a target that’s innocuous enough but not obvious town
Or
C) the mafia pick a target that don’t implicate anyone and give almost a wash on analysis


I combed through marmot’s ISO and had a lot of C, where I wanted to see a lot of A, and came up mostly B. B and C often go hand in hand.

I don’t think marmot had a lot of indictments on others. It wasn’t like he was steering the thread on any one person- and unfortunately his biggest contribution was helping pile on Wilgy. That rainbow list included you and mata as semi scum reads, which I latched onto but in the end I think it has more to do with
-he didn’t have much suspicion one way or the other
-he probably didn’t incriminate any mafia.

It was a clean kill and I don’t like kt

It's only a clean kill if mata is town

But like how would that mafia conversation go?
Mata: “oh no, marmot has mild suspicion of me. Icarus is flying too close to my sun. He needs to go”
Mafia B: “go for it, I believe in you”
Dennis: “Shouldn’t we go for someone more obvtown?”
Mata: “no Dennis, look at me, look at me; I am the captain now”

I don’t see it

Why am I in this mafia scenario?

An unwilling accomplice in a story with an unreliable narrator

[Scotty]

My gut is still off with mata too though. And soneji. And sometimes I just think I’m comfortable in Scotty’s wool and I find a flea.

Well I didn’t have it there before you climbed in

Not pointing any fingers[plints]

[Dennis]

Got through almost all posts in game, will be somewhat around rest of day but have a D&D session then will be watching football, so divided focus.

Gone back to read it again:

Kate - holy bad countertrain, wtf guys.
Sabi - Sean, golden, SVS or Lucy contains a wolf. Also, ties are bad.
Scotty = not committing, sure looks like a seanzie save to me. Rejects "SVS is obvtown" arguments.

Dennis - "with marmot dead, I'm not certain how to read the Wilgy wagon"
Seanzie - "not gonna dome sabi, that's derailing the thread, also SVS is obvitown"
SVS - Just explains her thinking

Instinct says Kate might just be caught up in that first bundle, it's not like examination of that group is bad. But it's quite central to why scotty and sabi are forefront of my mind today.

Conversely, the bottom group (people on the wilgy train) don't try to control the narrative at all.

The first group is rightly calling for accountability from the Wilgy voters, while the second has every reason to not want to rock the boat. Dennis is a newbie, what narrative is he going to try and control? Plus several players rushed to proclaim him townie for his EoD. Seanzie just narrowly escaped the noose, of course they'd avoid a thunder dome. SVS does look good from how they explained their vote, and how they wanted a tie.

I find the bolded rather amusing as controlling the narrative has been a large part of your play this game, including this post.

If at least one of scotty and sabi isn’t a wolf I’ll bite my hat twice.

One down, one to go. Don't see a Scotty push so far this day though, curious.

I’ve been down this path with you before. Time is a circle jfc

When I go to the doctor for a pain in my chest, I don’t want the doctor to ask me what I think the problem is.

I offered you the chance yesterday to do some casing and alternative names, and offered a few names that I was assuming you suspected. Your response was very similar to this one.

This is how I get prescribed liver medication for my plaque psoriasis

This is my new favorite post in this game

Townie feeling frustration

Sorry. My sarcasm was coming on strong.

It was a response to Golden not finding a single shred of evidence that Seanzie could be wolf, and I was listing legitimately wolfy things that one could stop and go “yeah, that doesn’t sound towny”

Whether or not I think he is wolf at the present? Im not sure. Leaning not? I think a lot of those could just be Seanzie. I have horrible memory and don’t remember if that is behavior he normally exhibits as town

Yeah it comes off rather disingenuous to act as if there are no valid reasons to suspect Seanzie.

Also let me add to this that a clean wilgy wagon developing is the wolves wet dream. I'm not sure why any of them would jump on. Having it clean creates such a good opportunity to steer direction, which is exactly why I think it happened.

Reasons are simple : in a wolf Sean world, they obviously want to save their packmate. In a town Sean world, they're hoping to off a potential threat in Wilgy while the opportunity is ripe and they can act like they didn't think it'd go over, and then hope that town wants to flip the counterwagon the next day for the 2 for 1 special.

By the way, my point in saying this is not 'the kill target was me'.

It's that self-perceiving that you were at risk and that the doc saved you is normal.

But I don't think the answer is obvious. Could be you, could be me, could be someone else. The doc might have saved themselves for all we know.

It's normal for a townie when they have reason to believe wolves think of them as a threat, which can be just felt as a known power town, but after being on two mislim wagons to start you'd think there would be some self-doubt that doc/wolves are prioritizing you.

Approach to Seanzie feels like someone who understands day one more through wolfchat than thread to me

Would you not say that if wolfchat was guiding someone coming into d2, going after Seanzie at the time of my post would be advised against considering there were multiple people defending him and momentum wasn't towards a Seanzie elim?

Do find it amusing that anyone thinks I'm being coached in general.

Pingy ping ping pingy ping

What’s pingy about it?

I found myself nodding along with it, like I’ve seemed to do with most of Soneji’s posts this game

It has exactly one purpose:

“Don’t listen to golden, he’s miseliming civs, stuff he says is probably bad”

Most of all, ‘nah, golden, you weren’t the kill target’ well fuckity fuck fuck fuck, why even go there?

Only… come on soneji, tell me who the wolf is on the wilgy wagon?

The whole post wasn’t about you, but I hear you.

I think having a mild level of suspicion on you is healthy in general

What about having a medium level of suspicion?

What relevance does this question actually have to the game? Unless this is like a general question but I imagine everyone here as being pretty advanced so