Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[Golden]

Roxy is town.

I’m staying off Roxy because I am listening to you. I’m looking mostly at Falcon and vivax today.

[Golden]

With a side of scotty who just continues to make my flea bites itch.

[Seanzie]

At the moment I expect Seanzie is upset with my post and look, I get it. SVS is too.

Wdym by upset. That's not an emotion that should influence decision making process though it's quite popular as of late.

Old school etiquette would say that I should never make the post I did about what I believe is evidence I was protected, because it paints a target for the mafia on who to kill.

My take is that this is appropriate in survive-to-win vote conditions, but that in ‘can win when dead’ games the rule should be different.

I can understand if I’m right but Seanzie, who in my view has played very well, feels like I’ve done something to compromise his game.

Now I know 'ya trippin'.

My play this game can be accurately described with many colorful adjectives and flowery language. "very well" is far from an accurate description of my play this game though.

"very meh" might work.

[Golden]

He is in there

[Kate]

: insert gif of pokemon character sipping tea here :

i have a level 50 pogo account

[Dennis]

He is in there

Whoops you're right my bad

[Golden]

At the moment I expect Seanzie is upset with my post and look, I get it. SVS is too.

Wdym by upset. That's not an emotion that should influence decision making process though it's quite popular as of late.

Old school etiquette would say that I should never make the post I did about what I believe is evidence I was protected, because it paints a target for the mafia on who to kill.

My take is that this is appropriate in survive-to-win vote conditions, but that in ‘can win when dead’ games the rule should be different.

I can understand if I’m right but Seanzie, who in my view has played very well, feels like I’ve done something to compromise his game.

Now I know 'ya trippin'.

My play this game can be accurately described with many colorful adjectives and flowery language. "very well" is far from an accurate description of my play this game though.

"very meh" might work.

Look, if I’m wrong about your identity, I still think you’ve been civclearing well

And if I’m right about your identity you’ve literally saved two civs, which is as good as play gets.

[Seanzie]

At the moment I expect Seanzie is upset with my post and look, I get it. SVS is too.

Wdym by upset. That's not an emotion that should influence decision making process though it's quite popular as of late.

Old school etiquette would say that I should never make the post I did about what I believe is evidence I was protected, because it paints a target for the mafia on who to kill.

My take is that this is appropriate in survive-to-win vote conditions, but that in ‘can win when dead’ games the rule should be different.

I can understand if I’m right but Seanzie, who in my view has played very well, feels like I’ve done something to compromise his game.

Now I know 'ya trippin'.

My play this game can be accurately described with many colorful adjectives and flowery language. "very well" is far from an accurate description of my play this game though.

"very meh" might work.

Look, if I’m wrong about your identity, I still think you’ve been civclearing well

And if I’m right about your identity you’ve literally saved two civs, which is as good as play gets.

My play has been extremely meh.

[Golden]

Lol ok Seanzie is meh, but I still like you anyway

[Golden]

A slight rearrangement…

Vivax, Falcon, scotty

Splints, Lucy

Neon, Roxy

I think that reflects more how I am feeling during day 4.

[Golden]

I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.

[Golden]

Whatever you think about me laying out why I believe I'm the nightkill...

Whether you think I believe it
And whether Sean would elim me today

Are factors I feel like should clearly be unlinked. I don't see the thought process that takes you from Sean saying "I would elim golden today" to a very quick vote for me.

I think it's convenient.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.

I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.

[Golden]

I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.

I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.

Why? There should be no connection between whether I believe Sean saved me, and whether he (afterwards) says he would elim me. What is the connection?

[Scotty]

I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.

I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.

So why are you voting me again?

[Seanzie]

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

Describe both worlds.

[Scotty]

I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.

I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.

Why? There should be no connection between whether I believe Sean saved me, and whether he (afterwards) says he would elim me. What is the connection?

I must be dense, because all I see is Sean signaling he did not save you and that we should be voting there.

Please explain like I’m 5

[S~V~S]

You don’t think the town benefits from getting strong civs to stop tinfoiling other civs?

So you think drawing a possible target (you could be wrong cause you think it’s true, you don’t know) on a player who’s worked pretty hard to maintain suspicion (cause we all know a few votes s day keep the NK away) is worth stopping the tinfoil?

It’s preferable to have a possible doc NKed to having them lynched in your mind?

And you seem so incredulous that there’s flak. I don’t think you’re bad but I am surprised at this development.

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

This this this so much. Imma go sit in a corner and rock.

[Seanzie]

I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.

I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.

Why? There should be no connection between whether I believe Sean saved me, and whether he (afterwards) says he would elim me. What is the connection?

I must be dense, because all I see is Sean signaling he did not save you and that we should be voting there.

Please explain like I’m 5

I don't think I am signaling that "we ahould be voting there". That part is on you.

[Golden]

I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.

I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.

Why? There should be no connection between whether I believe Sean saved me, and whether he (afterwards) says he would elim me. What is the connection?

I must be dense, because all I see is Sean signaling he did not save you and that we should be voting there.

Please explain like I’m 5

He didn’t signal we should vote for me and even if he thought I was bad, why does that make YOU think I am?

[Golden]

You don’t think the town benefits from getting strong civs to stop tinfoiling other civs?

So you think drawing a possible target (you could be wrong cause you think it’s true, you don’t know) on a player who’s worked pretty hard to maintain suspicion (cause we all know a few votes s day keep the NK away) is worth stopping the tinfoil?

It’s preferable to have a possible doc NKed to having them lynched in your mind?

And you seem so incredulous that there’s flak. I don’t think you’re bad but I am surprised at this development.

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

This this this so much. Imma go sit in a corner and rock.

See your response here is exactly what I claimed it to be.

I’m not incredulous that there’s pushback. I identified exactly what the pushback would be in advance. What you’re articulating here is what I thought you meant.

You think target painting Seanzie is bad etiquette. Simple.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I see, apparently scotty voted for me because sean said he'd elim me.

I think this makes no sense.

I mean it makes perfect sense where I'm standing.

So why are you voting me again?

Because Seanzie isn't voting Golden and that's the link I need answered

[Golden]

I do think there’s benefit to what I did. The mafia have to make a call between focusing on me and Sean and letting the cop and deputy live, or dealing with us. I like pushing them into that corner.

But I acknowledge and apologise if I’ve ruined the game for Seanzie.

You know, somewhere out there is a cop and they will perhaps mechanically clear people as town at some stage. My perspective is different to yours, that’s all.

[Scotty]

I'd elim Golden here.

Seanzie says that but is voting Splints

I'll give you 5 guesses to figure out why I said what I said.

1. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy
2. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy
3. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy
4. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy
5. All play and no sense makes Sean a dull boy

[Kate]

You don’t think the town benefits from getting strong civs to stop tinfoiling other civs?

So you think drawing a possible target (you could be wrong cause you think it’s true, you don’t know) on a player who’s worked pretty hard to maintain suspicion (cause we all know a few votes s day keep the NK away) is worth stopping the tinfoil?

It’s preferable to have a possible doc NKed to having them lynched in your mind?

And you seem so incredulous that there’s flak. I don’t think you’re bad but I am surprised at this development.

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

This this this so much. Imma go sit in a corner and rock.

See your response here is exactly what I claimed it to be.

I’m not incredulous that there’s pushback. I identified exactly what the pushback would be in advance. What you’re articulating here is what I thought you meant.

You think target painting Seanzie is bad etiquette. Simple.

It's not just bad etiquette, it's bad play. At least where I come from and I'm just baffled at your decision and Sean's reaction.

Ps. I asked earlier how anyone could possibly know they were saved. Is there anything you can point to?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

Describe both worlds.

One. Your doc Golden is right your powers Golden was right but outed you so you want to make it look like Golden is wrong so you don't get killed

Two. Golden is wrong your not doc Golden was probably never even the target Golden has played this entire game under an understanding that was false and continues to blindly follow the conclusions made while under that understanding without any reevaluation about what changes in a world where their entire worldview is based on lies.

[Seanzie]

I do think there’s benefit to what I did. The mafia have to make a call between focusing on me and Sean and letting the cop and deputy live, or dealing with us. I like pushing them into that corner.

But I acknowledge and apologise if I’ve ruined the game for Seanzie.

You know, somewhere out there is a cop and they will perhaps mechanically clear people as town at some stage. My perspective is different to yours, that’s all.

The funny thing is mafia is probably going to kill me for what you've been saying.

[Scotty]

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

Describe both worlds.

One. Your doc Golden is right your powers Golden was right but outed you so you want to make it look like Golden is wrong so you don't get killed

Two. Golden is wrong your not doc Golden was probably never even the target Golden has played this entire game under an understanding that was false and continues to blindly follow the conclusions made while under that understanding without any reevaluation about what changes in a world where their entire worldview is based on lies.

What does this have to do with why you’re on me?

[Seanzie]

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

Describe both worlds.

One. Your doc Golden is right your powers Golden was right but outed you so you want to make it look like Golden is wrong so you don't get killed

Two. Golden is wrong your not doc Golden was probably never even the target Golden has played this entire game under an understanding that was false and continues to blindly follow the conclusions made while under that understanding without any reevaluation about what changes in a world where their entire worldview is based on lies.

Those are pretty boring worlds.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I do think there’s benefit to what I did. The mafia have to make a call between focusing on me and Sean and letting the cop and deputy live, or dealing with us. I like pushing them into that corner.

But I acknowledge and apologise if I’ve ruined the game for Seanzie.

You know, somewhere out there is a cop and they will perhaps mechanically clear people as town at some stage. My perspective is different to yours, that’s all.

Frankly you haven't pushed the mafia into a corner you've given them the chaos and cover they need to stay in the shadows and the paranoia they can feed into misexes.

[Kate]

I think there are a multitude of universes. Schrödinger's cat and all that.

[Golden]

You don’t think the town benefits from getting strong civs to stop tinfoiling other civs?

So you think drawing a possible target (you could be wrong cause you think it’s true, you don’t know) on a player who’s worked pretty hard to maintain suspicion (cause we all know a few votes s day keep the NK away) is worth stopping the tinfoil?

It’s preferable to have a possible doc NKed to having them lynched in your mind?

And you seem so incredulous that there’s flak. I don’t think you’re bad but I am surprised at this development.

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

This this this so much. Imma go sit in a corner and rock.

See your response here is exactly what I claimed it to be.

I’m not incredulous that there’s pushback. I identified exactly what the pushback would be in advance. What you’re articulating here is what I thought you meant.

You think target painting Seanzie is bad etiquette. Simple.

It's not just bad etiquette, it's bad play. At least where I come from and I'm just baffled at your decision and Sean's reaction.

Ps. I asked earlier how anyone could possibly know they were saved. Is there anything you can point to?

I literally posted all the posts I don’t know what else you want.

And for calling it bad play.

Let me echo Roxy here and say it takes one second to be nice.

Every person who says ‘that’s bad play’ needs to look at themselves and think twice. No. You don’t have to agree with me but no.

Being wrong isn’t bad play
Making a gambit isn’t bad play
Being enigmatic isn’t bad play
Being straightforward isn’t bad play
Being quiet isn’t bad play

Everyone has their perspective. I’m doing my best with mine and you’re doing your best with yours. Scotty, Roxy… I’ve seen several people be told they’re playing bad this game and I don’t like it.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

Describe both worlds.

One. Your doc Golden is right your powers Golden was right but outed you so you want to make it look like Golden is wrong so you don't get killed

Two. Golden is wrong your not doc Golden was probably never even the target Golden has played this entire game under an understanding that was false and continues to blindly follow the conclusions made while under that understanding without any reevaluation about what changes in a world where their entire worldview is based on lies.

What does this have to do with why you’re on me?

Considering Sean's question has fuck all to do with you... I'd hazard a guess at it doesn't

[Golden]

Everyone can take their judgment and fuck the hell off with it.

If you think it’s wolfy, fine.

If you think it’s town, fine.

But everyone is doing their best out here.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Lol

[Golden]

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

Describe both worlds.

One. Your doc Golden is right your powers Golden was right but outed you so you want to make it look like Golden is wrong so you don't get killed

Two. Golden is wrong your not doc Golden was probably never even the target Golden has played this entire game under an understanding that was false and continues to blindly follow the conclusions made while under that understanding without any reevaluation about what changes in a world where their entire worldview is based on lies.

Both your worlds have me as genuine, which surprised me.

[Kate]

You don’t think the town benefits from getting strong civs to stop tinfoiling other civs?

So you think drawing a possible target (you could be wrong cause you think it’s true, you don’t know) on a player who’s worked pretty hard to maintain suspicion (cause we all know a few votes s day keep the NK away) is worth stopping the tinfoil?

It’s preferable to have a possible doc NKed to having them lynched in your mind?

And you seem so incredulous that there’s flak. I don’t think you’re bad but I am surprised at this development.

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

This this this so much. Imma go sit in a corner and rock.

See your response here is exactly what I claimed it to be.

I’m not incredulous that there’s pushback. I identified exactly what the pushback would be in advance. What you’re articulating here is what I thought you meant.

You think target painting Seanzie is bad etiquette. Simple.

It's not just bad etiquette, it's bad play. At least where I come from and I'm just baffled at your decision and Sean's reaction.

Ps. I asked earlier how anyone could possibly know they were saved. Is there anything you can point to?

I literally posted all the posts I don’t know what else you want.

And for calling it bad play.

Let me echo Roxy here and say it takes one second to be nice.

Every person who says ‘that’s bad play’ needs to look at themselves and think twice. No. You don’t have to agree with me but no.

Being wrong isn’t bad play
Making a gambit isn’t bad play
Being enigmatic isn’t bad play
Being straightforward isn’t bad play
Being quiet isn’t bad play

Everyone has their perspective. I’m doing my best with mine and you’re doing your best with yours. Scotty, Roxy… I’ve seen several people be told they’re playing bad this game and I don’t like it.

Exactly! And you DONT PLAY BAD. that's where I'm certain there is some angle that I'm not seeing.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

Describe both worlds.

One. Your doc Golden is right your powers Golden was right but outed you so you want to make it look like Golden is wrong so you don't get killed

Two. Golden is wrong your not doc Golden was probably never even the target Golden has played this entire game under an understanding that was false and continues to blindly follow the conclusions made while under that understanding without any reevaluation about what changes in a world where their entire worldview is based on lies.

Both your worlds have me as genuine, which surprised me.

Your not wolf.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

So it shouldn't surprise you

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

[Golden]

You don’t think the town benefits from getting strong civs to stop tinfoiling other civs?

So you think drawing a possible target (you could be wrong cause you think it’s true, you don’t know) on a player who’s worked pretty hard to maintain suspicion (cause we all know a few votes s day keep the NK away) is worth stopping the tinfoil?

It’s preferable to have a possible doc NKed to having them lynched in your mind?

And you seem so incredulous that there’s flak. I don’t think you’re bad but I am surprised at this development.

There's two worlds here and I hate trying to figure out which one is real.

This this this so much. Imma go sit in a corner and rock.

See your response here is exactly what I claimed it to be.

I’m not incredulous that there’s pushback. I identified exactly what the pushback would be in advance. What you’re articulating here is what I thought you meant.

You think target painting Seanzie is bad etiquette. Simple.

It's not just bad etiquette, it's bad play. At least where I come from and I'm just baffled at your decision and Sean's reaction.

Ps. I asked earlier how anyone could possibly know they were saved. Is there anything you can point to?

I literally posted all the posts I don’t know what else you want.

And for calling it bad play.

Let me echo Roxy here and say it takes one second to be nice.

Every person who says ‘that’s bad play’ needs to look at themselves and think twice. No. You don’t have to agree with me but no.

Being wrong isn’t bad play
Making a gambit isn’t bad play
Being enigmatic isn’t bad play
Being straightforward isn’t bad play
Being quiet isn’t bad play

Everyone has their perspective. I’m doing my best with mine and you’re doing your best with yours. Scotty, Roxy… I’ve seen several people be told they’re playing bad this game and I don’t like it.

Exactly! And you DONT PLAY BAD. that's where I'm certain there is some angle that I'm not seeing.

I’m trying to pressure the mafia into having to make a call between going after two people (me and Sean) that I think I’ve town cleared and leaving the cop and deputy alive, or keeping two towncleared townies in the game. It’s lose/lose for them.

That’s the play. And I did it knowing I’d take some pushback, but I think it was the right call.

You aren’t missing something extra that makes me KNOW I was saved… but I always thought that clearing the wilgy wagon (which I still feel confident I’m right about), would heighten my threat level, so I already felt like there were better than even odds I’d be the target, especially given the player list.

[Golden]

So it shouldn't surprise you

I’m just glad you see it now.

[Dennis]

I feel like there's been 14 plot twists in the past 3 minutes and I'm getting whiplash

[S~V~S]

@Golden

I didn’t say you’re playing bad, I said I don’t understand it.

Worlds of different.



^^ me the rest of tonight.

[Golden]

Also, for neons benefit…

All my play in this game is based on both those worlds being options.

I’m confident I’m right, but I’m not choosing my PoE based on the closed mindset that I’m right. I tend to keep multiple worlds in mind at all times.

[Golden]

@Golden

I didn’t say you’re playing bad, I said I don’t understand it.

Worlds of different.



^^ me the rest of tonight.

I think this is just a you/me thing… it’s just not a thing you’d ever do. I have explained my why as best I can.

[Scotty]

Ok then
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Falcon is like…not even on my radar but here we are.

[Kate]

@Golden

I didn’t say you’re playing bad, I said I don’t understand it.

Worlds of different.



^^ me the rest of tonight.

That was me, I said outing in general was bad play. Obviously I don't mean Golden is a bad player. He is fuck times better than I am.

Golden don't be upset, I worded that poorly. I'm sorry and I'm sick.

[Scotty]

Unless I was the NK target I have a vague feeling I probably don’t have a vote today.

Just a hunch. Playing as if I do, but it wouldn’t surprise me