Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[Lumi]

i'd put ender and prob dizzy in there somehow

Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon
G-Man
ilario
Jackofhearts
Lilypetal
Michelle
Nanook
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
Rondo
santygrass
Scotty
Seanzie
sprityo
Vivax



We're 4 names over the actual number of players, but by adding those 4 we probably picked up ~2 real players

[nutella]

this is about as angly as metareads

yeah which is to say arguably so but not like unaccepted

[RondoDimBuckle]

this is about as angly as metareads

alright, fair enough

[nutella]

creature and falcon i'm really unsure about

[Lumi]

i'd put ender and prob dizzy in there somehow

Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon
G-Man
ilario
Jackofhearts
Lilypetal
Michelle
Nanook
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
Rondo
santygrass
Scotty
Seanzie
sprityo
Vivax



We're 4 names over the actual number of players, but by adding those 4 we probably picked up ~2 real players

(to be clear the 4 I added were dizzy, ender, creature, and jack - creature still hasn't posted this phase though, so that's making me a little bit doubtful on him being a player)

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ender is NPC I am almost certain

[katze]

my work here is done

Yeah thats what I thought

[VOTE: Dyslexicon ] aubergine

coward

Im sorry? Where was your vote on me? I must be blind. You arent willing to put your money where your mouth is. NPC confirmed

i dont need to vote you to win a dome against u

cometh at me

or don't, i won't stop you

[Lumi]

Flipside, I think this list is almost entirely just NPCs:
c4e5g3d5
Chelsea
DeeZees
Guillotine
Hally
iaafr
Inawordyes
JaggedJimmyJay
katze
Lumi
Manny
Ranmilla
Schiavetto
SilverKeith
Sloonei

[RondoDimBuckle]

my work here is done

Yeah thats what I thought

[VOTE: Dyslexicon ] aubergine

coward

Im sorry? Where was your vote on me? I must be blind. You arent willing to put your money where your mouth is. NPC confirmed

i dont need to vote you to win a dome against u

cometh at me

or don't, i won't stop you

Then it isnt a dome? Its just classic me trying to off you while you try to off me

[Lumi]

Day 3 Vote Count
SoD: #3945 EoD: #0

Not Voting (15): MacDougall (7), katze (50), Lumi (39), Sloonei (6), DrWilgy (10), Jackofhearts2005 (13), c4e5g3d5 (3), pyxxy (10), Lilypetal (27), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (5), falcon45ca (4), JaggedJimmyJay (5), sprityo (5)
drwilgy (4): SilverKeith (9), nutella (78), Ranmilia (58), Vivax (41)
ranmilia (3): iaafr (54), Porscha (32), Neon (30)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), Hally (42)
dezees (1): santygrass (83)
creature (1): EnderWiggin (34)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20)
dyslexicon (1): RondoDimBuckle (55)
nanookthegreatandmightywizardfirstofhisnameandfatherofdragons (1): Scotty (18)
katze (1): G-Man (8)
dr wilgy (1): ilario (14)
nanookthegreatandfearsome (1): Manny (12)
falcon45ca (1): Michelle (42)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)
rondo (1): Dyslexicon (9)
vivax (1): DeeZees (22)

[katze]

my work here is done

Yeah thats what I thought

[VOTE: Dyslexicon ] aubergine

coward

Im sorry? Where was your vote on me? I must be blind. You arent willing to put your money where your mouth is. NPC confirmed

i dont need to vote you to win a dome against u

cometh at me

or don't, i won't stop you

Then it isnt a dome? Its just classic me trying to off you while you try to off me

fair enuff

spiritually tho

[RondoDimBuckle]

my work here is done

Yeah thats what I thought

[VOTE: Dyslexicon ] aubergine

coward

Im sorry? Where was your vote on me? I must be blind. You arent willing to put your money where your mouth is. NPC confirmed

i dont need to vote you to win a dome against u

cometh at me

or don't, i won't stop you

Then it isnt a dome? Its just classic me trying to off you while you try to off me

fair enuff

spiritually tho

no, not spiritually.

Its only a dome if it comes from the dome region of france.

Anything else is just sparkling omgus

[katze]

i don't believe in france, can we meet a middle ground

how about germany?

[falcon45ca]

i don't believe in france, can we meet a middle ground

how about germany?

Belgium

[falcon45ca]

It is the year 2375, and the Swiss...are no longer neutral.



After centuries of precision watchmaking & handy pocket knife crafting, they are ready to conquer the Earth

[Lumi]

Anyway, cya all, I hope to survive the purge

And if not, then was fun!

Keep Lumi Alive™ Stretch Goals!!!*:
Lumi survives to day 4: I add UI to my vote count script
Lumi survives to day 5: I add retrospective vote counts to my UI
Lumi survives to day 6: I consider making my vote count script into a browser extension so that people in future syndicate games can potentially even use it. (Note: extension release would have to wait until after the game due to rules about linking to a document that I'd be able to update live during the game, e.g a browser extension)
Lumi survives to day 7: I meet at least min post count by using vocaroos

Spoiler: show

* Assuming I have the time and the energy to do it, I'm not going to actually hard commit to anything

[katze]

Lumi survives to day 7: I meet at least min post count by using vocaroos

the world is not ready

[katze]

keep katze alive stretch goals

day 4: shitposts + ill bury a wolf (maybe)
day 5: shitposts
day 6: shitposts
dasy 7: shitposts
day 8: cat picture

[katze]

day 9: drama

[santygrass]

I'll take Dezees npc claim at face value

[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

I would be down to yeet Rondo.maybe too, I havent been liking their posting .

Porscha seems town too hmm. My thoughts are mess

[katze]

day 10: shoulder reveal

[santygrass]

Towny People rn: Michelle - Nanook - Nutella - Porscha - Dyslexicon - Scotty - Enderwiggin

Hmmyes

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

I've withheld a lot of my thoughts so far, but I genuinely dislike the sentiment that only wolves would be trying to hide in this kind of set up, especially before the culling of NPC's. I feel so strongly about this, that I'm extremely confident that anyone who is town would never push that agenda in good faith, and that someone like ran who has put this much effort and thought into the game should have known or at least suspected that's how many towns would play, regardless of whether they are even a player.
Ultimately, wolves would likely use their one player removing ability in such a way: Rank what individuals in the game they fear the most, for whatever reasons, and shoot. But early, they will likely just shoot at who they think are NPC's to avoid hitting a weaker player early and completely losing their ability to remove a huge threat later. It behooves the mafia scout to look into who they may sincerely believe will be a threat later, or someone who is faking a role claim, as someone already has, and see if it's truthful early in the game while there is little pressure. The mafia scout gets to share their findings with their teammates each and every night - the town scout does not have this luxury due to attempting to avoid being outed and removed from the game by the mafia. If the town is able to avoid being found by the mafia scout in the early stages of the game, this is very advantageous for them as it puts them on more even footing with the wolves. It is always in town's best interest to not out themselves early in this game.

Looking at low posters as the best people to vote is a waste of time when most of them will be culled so soon anyway. There is literally no point except to be performative in the hopes that you appear townie.

[VOTE: Ranmilia] aubergine

If you are wolf, be gone. If you are NPC, you are wolf siding. Be gone.

My conclusion:
Wolves here

golden (8): EnderWiggin (100), Dyslexicon (54), Creature (78), RondoDimBuckle (119), DeeZees (19), lucy (19), Vivax (18), DrWilgy (17), G-Man (17)

Im npc. Are ang of this wagon dead yet?

Lucy no-posted out of the game D2 as an NPC.

Dizzy is town.

Rondo I had as town but tbh it was a stupid reason and he's not tried to disuade me from it that hard.

Wilgy was on the wagon they shot into last night so eh...

I'm not wolf.

Creature/Vivax/Gman?

I could shoot at that.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I've withheld a lot of my thoughts so far, but I genuinely dislike the sentiment that only wolves would be trying to hide in this kind of set up, especially before the culling of NPC's. I feel so strongly about this, that I'm extremely confident that anyone who is town would never push that agenda in good faith, and that someone like ran who has put this much effort and thought into the game should have known or at least suspected that's how many towns would play, regardless of whether they are even a player.
Ultimately, wolves would likely use their one player removing ability in such a way: Rank what individuals in the game they fear the most, for whatever reasons, and shoot. But early, they will likely just shoot at who they think are NPC's to avoid hitting a weaker player early and completely losing their ability to remove a huge threat later. It behooves the mafia scout to look into who they may sincerely believe will be a threat later, or someone who is faking a role claim, as someone already has, and see if it's truthful early in the game while there is little pressure. The mafia scout gets to share their findings with their teammates each and every night - the town scout does not have this luxury due to attempting to avoid being outed and removed from the game by the mafia. If the town is able to avoid being found by the mafia scout in the early stages of the game, this is very advantageous for them as it puts them on more even footing with the wolves. It is always in town's best interest to not out themselves early in this game.

Looking at low posters as the best people to vote is a waste of time when most of them will be culled so soon anyway. There is literally no point except to be performative in the hopes that you appear townie.

[VOTE: Ranmilia] aubergine

If you are wolf, be gone. If you are NPC, you are wolf siding. Be gone.

Deez' former problems seem to have mutated into largely unintelligible logorrhoe in the form of post chains.

My conclusion:
Wolves here

golden (8): EnderWiggin (100), Dyslexicon (54), Creature (78), RondoDimBuckle (119), DeeZees (19), lucy (19), Vivax (18), DrWilgy (17), G-Man (17)

Im npc. Are ang of this wagon dead yet?

Say, what's the rationale here ? I think you are the most nervous poster in the room as of recently. Any particular reason for that ? Any objections to the Wilgy or Ran wagon?

Here's a manually updated VC btw.

Spoiler: show

Day 3 Vote Count
SoD: #3945 EoD: #0

Not Voting (18): MacDougall (7), katze (32), Lumi (21), Sloonei (6), DrWilgy (10), Jackofhearts2005 (13), Porscha (28), c4e5g3d5 (3), G-Man (2), pyxxy (8), Lilypetal (27), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (5), falcon45ca (4), JaggedJimmyJay (4), sprityo (5), DeeZees (2)
drwilgy (4): SilverKeith (9), nutella (61), Ranmilia (58), Vivax (35)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), Hally (42)
ranmilia (3): iaafr,(53) Porscha, Neon
dezees (1): santygrass (83)
pyxxy (1): EnderWiggin (33)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20)
rondodimbuckle (1): RondoDimBuckle (35)
nanookthegreatandmightywizardfirstofhisnameandfatherofdragons (1): Scotty (18)
dr wilgy (1): ilario (14)
nanookthegreatandfearsome (1): Manny (11)
falcon45ca (1): Michelle (42)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)
ricochet (1): Neon (27)
rondo (1): Dyslexicon (9)
Creature (1): Enderwiggin
Vivax (1): DeeZees

You said you don't drink once but you give off very much the air of someone who got drunk on his own supply.

Maybe you'd like to be told what your psyche is like? Or are you at that stage I was in when I started playing mafia and you can't snap out of it? Perhaps you're doing things in reverse to how they're supposed to be done when it comes to personal development. I think I have improved, you keep slow cooking under a facade of liberalism when in fact everything about you seems to spell extremism and other unsavoury traits.
That's all your vote looks like to me. Some endless grudge and obsession you can't seem to let go because some dude attempted to have fun while playing this game. What does that say about you ?

The wagon cannot be pure, what gave you that impression @nutella ?

who do you think is not pure out of me, ender, hally, ran, sk, ilario ???

Here's my guess for the real playerlist:

DrWilgy
falcon
G-Man
ilario
Lilypetal
Michelle
Nanook
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
Ricochet
Rondo
Scotty
Seanzie
sprityo
Vivax


Some of these I'm really shaky on and don't know that well so they might be obviously wrong, and there were some super borderline slots that I wanted to include too, but this is my "not read the game, made purely from *meta-analysis" reads list

* By meta analysis I do not mean player analysis, I just mean analysis one level removed from the actual content of the game, eg. post count trends + players homesites + players frequency of playing FM games

Honorary mention to Santy who just barely missed the cut

ricochet is not a recent regular, before the anniversary event he had last been around in 2018

pyxxy is similar in that profiling for me, if they've also not played in a long time then they're much less likely to be real players.


I'd say ya based on this richochet is >rand npc, so new list:

DrWilgy
falcon
G-Man
ilario
Lilypetal
Michelle
Nanook
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
Rondo
santygrass
Scotty
Seanzie
sprityo
Vivax

i'd put ender and prob dizzy in there somehow

Creature
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
falcon
G-Man
ilario
Jackofhearts
Lilypetal
Michelle
Nanook
Neon
nutella
Porscha
pyxxy
Rondo
santygrass
Scotty
Seanzie
sprityo
Vivax



We're 4 names over the actual number of players, but by adding those 4 we probably picked up ~2 real players

Flipside, I think this list is almost entirely just NPCs:
c4e5g3d5
Chelsea
DeeZees
Guillotine
Hally
iaafr
Inawordyes
JaggedJimmyJay
katze
Lumi
Manny
Ranmilla
Schiavetto
SilverKeith
Sloonei

Catching up was slow

[Vivax]

I'll take Dezees npc claim at face value

[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

I would be down to yeet Rondo.maybe too, I havent been liking their posting .

Porscha seems town too hmm. My thoughts are mess

The chakra mumbojumbo is inevitable after my physical recovery

[Michelle]

The wagon cannot be pure, what gave you that impression @nutella ?

who do you think is not pure out of me, ender, hally, ran, sk, ilario ???

Idk yet. I need some NPC to die..

[santygrass]

Playerlist maybe


Dr Wilgy
Dyslexicon
Ender
Ilario
Lily
Michelle
Nanook
Neon
Nutella
Porscha
Rondo
Santy
Scotty
Vivax

+ 3 in {Creature / Jack / Iaafr / Falcon / Sloonei / G-Man }

Probs

[DeeZees]

Creature iz definitely a player

[Michelle]

I didn't find Rondo's answer at my question
Going to check again

[santygrass]

I think they dont have a single post this phase still LOL

[Michelle]

Creature iz definitely a player

Are you Zeus?

[DeeZees]

Creature iz definitely a player

Are you Zeus?

Yup

[Ranmilia]

What's up people.

General response to overnights -
- Town need to start playing, and they need to start doing so sooner rather than later. Hiding was only a thing for d1-d2. "I'll only start playing once the NPCs are gone" is losing strats.
- Wolves are hiding in the minposters.
- We should be targeting to vote a real player today, not an NPC.
- Given the above, "why Wilgy" should be self explanatory

[santygrass]

Actually Rondo didnt answer my question either ...

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine

[santygrass]

What's up people.

General response to overnights -
- Town need to start playing, and they need to start doing so sooner rather than later. Hiding was only a thing for d1-d2. "I'll only start playing once the NPCs are gone" is losing strats.
- Wolves are hiding in the minposters.
- We should be targeting to vote a real player today, not an NPC.
- Given the above, "why Wilgy" should be self explanatory

Being minposter is what i saw from a wilgy town game too (the only one I had) , and I think by wagonomics the scum is more likely on my wagon rather than hk wagon. So I dont think today wilgy is a good yeet

[santygrass]

Rondo / Vivax from my wagon
Lily/Iaafr/Falcon/Sloonei if we lookin elsewhere maybe

But 3 of those last names could be Npcs wowee

[santygrass]

@DrWilgy can you summarize me your reads this game? And what made you vote hk yesterday cuz I didnt fully get it

Game's too big for me to have conclusive thoughts on the cast.

Certain posts have lead me to "I'd not want them yeeted" you included.

That's why when it came down to HK vs you I wasn't gonna swap off.

I'd say I feel generally towny vibes from Michelle, Ender, Nutella, Ran, Katze (idk where this one comes from, but it's there), Scotty, Lily.

Minor town leaning on you since the thread focus let me actually absorb some info from you.

As to who is and isn't a player, meh, I don't really know how we'd solve that. People are too individualistic to apply any filter for behavior. I.e. me and thoughts that I don't have high player equity.

This is why the town equity question stood out to me earlier. I'm a player, but it seems that others don't believe so because I can't get a grasp on the game and don't think I'll be fully invested until an NPC dump occurs. I would not be surprised if other like minds are around and the player list is half asleep.

Also I slight Villa lean this post fwiw

[santygrass]

the "npc dump" comment is like exactly how I feel as a low posting player as well so

gonna say wilgy is just a villager too

Also this has some merit too I think, both in W!Lily and V!Lily worlds

[DeeZees]

Kill vivax

His reaction to me voting him might have been a copy pasta but it was entirely overblown before it

Not npc
Not town

#killvivax

[Michelle]

Creature iz definitely a player

Are you Zeus?

Yup

[Michelle]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine

Falcon still wolfy and in my Poe

[santygrass]

I think is highly likely for it to be a mafia in Vivax/Rondo , but Im not so sure in both of them being mafia so that means I have a read wong in one of them / maybe one is just npc wowee

I signalized Vivax votes being all over the place and the vote on me was following a wagon full of people they voted and their reply was to kinda silently start townreading me so idk.

Rondo push on me made no sense and their explanation today is moot so kinda want to kill them + their votes I dislike greatly too.

If I had to bet, Vivax maybe is twtbaw , and Rondo the wolf. But could see it go any way tbh

[Vivax]

I just think you are incapable of having real reads independently of your alignment.
But you‘re probably NPC so whatevs. Enjoy your silly tunnel and pray it isn‘t a reflection because it surely looks like it is.

[santygrass]

Jack vote Guillo with me uwu

For why?

Because they arent clearly town tbh.

Dont care if its an npc or magia player much. Just bang bang

lol

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Will be in a ‚meeting’ later.
Is everyone else also split in half ?

[VOTE: DeeZees] aubergine

Guy sitting to my left literally started meowing yesterday.
He never meowed before.
Maybe cause of who was sitting in front of him, or cause I was contaminating his head. Or someone else perhaps.

Either way, ignorance is bliss and bliss sucks

Ok, well

Ender is mafia.

So do with that what you will

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

He the false reality dude ? The sig is nonsensical as is but I don‘t mind voting with you.

vivax could be a wolf but I'm a huge fan of his posting

And I‘m like one of those Fallout ghouls.
Yo ho ho

Sure, why not

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

[VOTE: SANTYGRASS ] aubergine

cant vote Ender here he is town

santygrass (6): Guillotine (48), Vivax (26), pyxxy (7), EnderWiggin (67), DeeZees (25), Creature (46)
hollowkatt (6): santygrass (59), Jackofhearts2005 (46), Ranmilia (96), Dyslexicon (46), tutuu (66), DrWilgy (16)

@Vivax just wanted to highlit that when you voted me, you switched off hk without a reason, and in a wagon that had most of the people you voted previously.

Think I will probably give you the Guillo treatment too and if you arr alive after the purge you should be murderized too

I‘ll sheep nutella, seems to be the most informed in certain aspects and she’s coming in swinging I like that. Can understand Santy‘s frustration but he‘ll come around (going for a townread atm). Or maybe skill issue.

Only partially unlocked/witnessed three abilities so far el oh el. Maybe four.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Receipts

[santygrass]

@RondoDimBuckle when you get here ping me and tell me what was your case on me about and what is your read on me tyty

It was just a bullshit push to see how the people around you would react and get info for after you flipped but someone jumped on very late and I thought tied the wagon so I unvoted and tied the wagons.

I just picked your post that looked slightly suspicious if I put it in a context of a wolf killing TSP and then pointing out exactly what you did to try and get cred as town when the reason you killed him is to be able to talk about it.

Like I mean there has to be a reason TSP was killed and its a good enough reason to push you in this game state.

You could still be wolf but It was an arbitrary choice to push content

What reactions did you get? In the end you ended up voting me in a sniping way so you should saw something about someone else that made me look scummy right? And like, blatantly ignoring the EoD read that was on thread of me being derpcleared too

My point on TSP also highlited that a Nin-Syndicater wouldnt even know Tsp had any relevancy, and if you dont know a player why risk killing a potential NPC? Lol
I think the kill just for 'blaming afterwards' is kinda moot , specially with so many people killing to only have a push doesnt make any sense, dont you agree?

And its not only 'push' when you put me at risk lf dying when I am a town player. It could be considered only a pus if you didnt went for the kill at EoD, but you didnt went that way

I cant vote you in a sniping way if I was the first on you and then the last on you and then off you. That makes no sense.

I dont disagree with what Ender said on this. All the TSP kill tells us is that there is one (1) wolf that is a syndicate member, possibly even an old one that is afraid of TSP or knows who he is. Also they could have just rolled a dice and picked who to kill. Highlighted feels like word salad

There doesnt HAVE to be a reason to kill TSP. There is likely one but until we flip an actualy player you are chasing your own tail. And until we flip a wolf it wont be much help to think about it TBH, he was an NPC and I feel like a lot of energy is being put into keeping attention there from you. It could be genuine but atm I am less interested in TSP till I have more information

I could always be a wolf, I have a large range and people never full clear me. I have said it was an arbitrary choice. I could have easily been having this conversation with Scotty for his weird comment yesterday on how I feel ike HR Rondo wolf play when that is not what I am doing.

@RondoDimBuckle you idn't answer my question. What. Reactions. Did. You. Get.

Im saying its scummy for the silent way of it, and seeing people townread me at the time and not interact in the slightlest but still silently voting me , that is why I refer to 'sniping'. And you say you pushed me to see reactions, but what reactions did you get out of it and how they influenced your play or reads? I am not seeing any of that


I agree with point (1) one on the TSP kill, and its what i was saying yesterday and part of why you said you pushed me yesterday? So what's up with that? . And we dont have any flips, and just that only one point is useful for us to get closet to a scum flip so ofc Im going to put attention ¿?¿?
Rn I think the nk are one of the most important info we have to figure out scum , specially because how big the non scum people and Npc s that could seem scummy because of not caring are rn. /Shrug

More hard to get a easy to read receipt in regards to Rondo, but the question I pinged them was never anwered.

Basically he said SoD today that the vote was a bullshit pus to see thread reactions to it and get info with flip or whatever.

But then they still silently vote me at EoD and when asked about reads or reactions from that 'push' which was supposed to be t get those, Rondo has none.

I lowkey think that is howling

[santygrass]

@Vivax vote Rondo with me uwu

[Vivax]

@Vivax vote Rondo with me uwu

Why? Seems okay to me.
I want Wilgy to come out and viciously flop his tongue around like I‘m used to.

[santygrass]

I literally put the reason on the post above the ping lol.
And also put reasons as to why Wilg should'nt be the yeet today

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine

Falcon still wolfy and in my Poe

That's some bullshit right there...




But yeah, makes sense

[Michelle]

You could still be a wolf Santy and killing me last night would only push more votes onto you but I have been alive for 2 nights now and I should be dead so I am going to start looking into who I am shielding and that is Ender and Michelle and a few others because at this point the only reason I am alive is because wolves want me to be.

Ender is back to being town. Ride of die take him to lylo and beyond. Michelle can go with him

Rondo flipped his read because he said he suspected me but he ignored my question

I should check the reason of the suspicion

[Michelle]

@Vivax vote Rondo with me uwu

Why? Seems okay to me.
I want Wilgy to come out and viciously flop his tongue around like I‘m used to.

Why should he replicate that play in this game?