Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

[Seanzie]

Or you can ISO me, I have a towncase on myself in SoD D3 I think and if you actually read the ISO and want to solve should reach to the correct conclussion that I am town anyways /shrug

I'm not going to ISO you.

But why did you ISO Michelle then? Whats this favouritism smh

I went back and skimmed through EoD2 to give myself some context on the wagonomics thing. Walk me through why you think EoD2 clears you. I am NOT going to look through 7 pages of your ISO for a post that I don't know what it looks like.

How a scum team of 4 ends uo with a mafia being tied at the end. And look at the votes on my end and the votes on my counterwagon, and the overall EoD when I came in ig. I think its kinda clearing town indicative for me tbh

Here was the VC with an hour left in the day:

Not Voting (7): MacDougall (33), Inawordyes (20), JaggedJimmyJay (35), risiinq- (45), sabie12 (2), Fext (5), Porscha (73)
chelsea (2): Golden (47), ~Prince J~ (18)
santygrass (6): nutella (171), Creature (121), DeeZees (44), pyxxy (14), Guillotine (192), Ranmilia (125)
marmot (2): Marmot (88), sprityo (24)
michelle (4): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (21), hollowkatt (81), Chelsea (18), TonyStarkPrime (31)
scotty (4): Lilypetal (39), EnderWiggin (165), RondoDimBuckle (163), tutuu (83)
hollowkatt (6): iaafr (236), Jackofhearts2005 (108), Hally (188), Dyslexicon (100), Vivax (42), DrWilgy (30)
drwilgy (1): SilverKeith (66)
lily (1): falcon45ca (22)
guillotina (1): katze (131)
nutella (1): Michelle (116)
master radishes (1): Sloonei (33)
c4e5g3d5 (1): c4e5g3d5 (85)
jackofhearts2005 (1): Schiavetto (30)
sloonei (3): santygrass (83), Scotty (52), Ricochet (10)
manny (1): Manny (223)
golden (1): lucy (19)
guillotine (1): Seanzie (10)
test (1): Lumi (78)
unvote (2): WindwardAway (105), arogame123 (61)
arogame (1): Sabiplz (243)
golden the coward (1): G-Man (23)
dr. wilgy (1): ilario (43)
enderwiggin (1): Neon (88)

If a single member of the wolves weren't around for EoD, then unless the other 3 are going to block-vote, that gives wolves only saving power of 2 - your selfpres plus a wolf saving buddy.

That means that HK or Michelle are the only ones who could have been viable saves for you. HK is the natural choice at this point, so as long as one other person is a wolf on HK, that makes sense.

if two members of the wolves weren't around for EoD, then your case is even weaker.

Even if all four wolves are around for EoD, unless they were block-voting together, they can't just magically stop your wagon from tieing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I dont understand the confidence part?

If I see acorrect read, its because I think the view is correct and the slot they are sussing is likely to be a hit. So why wouldnt do that increase my confidence?

My brain immediately went to “this is a TMI slip and Santy/Falcon is W/W”

I need to take a break from the thread

[Seanzie]

Or you can ISO me, I have a towncase on myself in SoD D3 I think and if you actually read the ISO and want to solve should reach to the correct conclussion that I am town anyways /shrug

I'm not going to ISO you.

But why did you ISO Michelle then? Whats this favouritism smh

I went back and skimmed through EoD2 to give myself some context on the wagonomics thing. Walk me through why you think EoD2 clears you. I am NOT going to look through 7 pages of your ISO for a post that I don't know what it looks like.

How a scum team of 4 ends uo with a mafia being tied at the end. And look at the votes on my end and the votes on my counterwagon, and the overall EoD when I came in ig. I think its kinda clearing town indicative for me tbh

And I wasnt a CFD , I was lead wagon for quite a while that day , so the wagonomics for a mafia team that doesn't know how many players could be on each wagon dont add up at all

You being a lead wagon all day suggests that wolves would not block-vote together to save you.

[Inawordyes]

Again I am going tl make a comparison that is not 'equal to the case' but more like an exaggeration to be more clear.

Player A is a townread. Player B is a PoE slot.

Then comes Player A with a copcheck that Player B is mafia.


That *is* a confidence boost on Player B being more likely to be mafia, and I shouldnt need another reason (?)

Like, here the cop check would be replaced with Jack recent posts about Falcon, but id what are you even digging into bcuz yeh I think its a pretty basic stuff

I realize you say that it’s an exaggeration, but comparing Jack’s reads to a cop check is way too much confidence on a read that you should not have that much confidence about. It’s like you’re absolutely convinced that Falcon is mafia to the point where you know Falcon is mafia. The scout to my understanding is basically just an “NPC or Player” cop, so there is no way as town that you can know that Falcon is mafia; the only way that you can know that Falcon is mafia is if you are also mafia

The confidence you have in this read being correct is way too high. So either you’re both mafis together, or you’re manufacturing the confidence to justify pushing Falcon. That makes you look extremely scummy

[Inawordyes]

I dont understand the confidence part?

If I see acorrect read, its because I think the view is correct and the slot they are sussing is likely to be a hit. So why wouldnt do that increase my confidence?

Broooooooo, that’s literally your own words in the post I replied to. You’re the one who is saying that having confidence in Falcon being more likely a hit is part of your reason for placing the vote. How do you not understand?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Because a townread sussing that slot increases the confidence I have of them being a hit?

If the case was done by someone I dont trust to be town it would be different bcuz scum agenda could be involved

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Like, am I the only one seeing this? Am I going crazy?

[Seanzie]

I dont understand the confidence part?

If I see acorrect read, its because I think the view is correct and the slot they are sussing is likely to be a hit. So why wouldnt do that increase my confidence?

Broooooooo, that’s literally your own words in the post I replied to. You’re the one who is saying that having confidence in Falcon being more likely a hit is part of your reason for placing the vote. How do you not understand?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Because a townread sussing that slot increases the confidence I have of them being a hit?

If the case was done by someone I dont trust to be town it would be different bcuz scum agenda could be involved

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Like, am I the only one seeing this? Am I going crazy?

I'm not picking up what you're putting down.

[santygrass]

I think your point fundamentally has zero sense at all and after this game ends I hope you never use it again because is dumb.

I am not saying that I 'know' like how are you remarking, I said it made me feel better / have more confidence on falcon being a hit, just by the fact that a townread expressed confidence on them being scum and Me vibing with that read. There isnt much science about it and I just feel dumb keeping this argument at this point tbh. Like, its basic stuff still

[Inawordyes]

I dont understand the confidence part?

If I see acorrect read, its because I think the view is correct and the slot they are sussing is likely to be a hit. So why wouldnt do that increase my confidence?

Broooooooo, that’s literally your own words in the post I replied to. You’re the one who is saying that having confidence in Falcon being more likely a hit is part of your reason for placing the vote. How do you not understand?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Because a townread sussing that slot increases the confidence I have of them being a hit?

If the case was done by someone I dont trust to be town it would be different bcuz scum agenda could be involved

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Like, am I the only one seeing this? Am I going crazy?

I'm not picking up what you're putting down.

[santygrass]

Also

*Steals gif*

[santygrass]

Or you can ISO me, I have a towncase on myself in SoD D3 I think and if you actually read the ISO and want to solve should reach to the correct conclussion that I am town anyways /shrug

I'm not going to ISO you.

But why did you ISO Michelle then? Whats this favouritism smh

I went back and skimmed through EoD2 to give myself some context on the wagonomics thing. Walk me through why you think EoD2 clears you. I am NOT going to look through 7 pages of your ISO for a post that I don't know what it looks like.

How a scum team of 4 ends uo with a mafia being tied at the end. And look at the votes on my end and the votes on my counterwagon, and the overall EoD when I came in ig. I think its kinda clearing town indicative for me tbh

Here was the VC with an hour left in the day:

Not Voting (7): MacDougall (33), Inawordyes (20), JaggedJimmyJay (35), risiinq- (45), sabie12 (2), Fext (5), Porscha (73)
chelsea (2): Golden (47), ~Prince J~ (18)
santygrass (6): nutella (171), Creature (121), DeeZees (44), pyxxy (14), Guillotine (192), Ranmilia (125)
marmot (2): Marmot (88), sprityo (24)
michelle (4): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (21), hollowkatt (81), Chelsea (18), TonyStarkPrime (31)
scotty (4): Lilypetal (39), EnderWiggin (165), RondoDimBuckle (163), tutuu (83)
hollowkatt (6): iaafr (236), Jackofhearts2005 (108), Hally (188), Dyslexicon (100), Vivax (42), DrWilgy (30)
drwilgy (1): SilverKeith (66)
lily (1): falcon45ca (22)
guillotina (1): katze (131)
nutella (1): Michelle (116)
master radishes (1): Sloonei (33)
c4e5g3d5 (1): c4e5g3d5 (85)
jackofhearts2005 (1): Schiavetto (30)
sloonei (3): santygrass (83), Scotty (52), Ricochet (10)
manny (1): Manny (223)
golden (1): lucy (19)
guillotine (1): Seanzie (10)
test (1): Lumi (78)
unvote (2): WindwardAway (105), arogame123 (61)
arogame (1): Sabiplz (243)
golden the coward (1): G-Man (23)
dr. wilgy (1): ilario (43)
enderwiggin (1): Neon (88)

If a single member of the wolves weren't around for EoD, then unless the other 3 are going to block-vote, that gives wolves only saving power of 2 - your selfpres plus a wolf saving buddy.

That means that HK or Michelle are the only ones who could have been viable saves for you. HK is the natural choice at this point, so as long as one other person is a wolf on HK, that makes sense.

if two members of the wolves weren't around for EoD, then your case is even weaker.

Even if all four wolves are around for EoD, unless they were block-voting together, they can't just magically stop your wagon from tieing.

Now think again consider the NPCs here. A 2 player or 3 player block ALWAYS would save someone here. So If I am a wolf, a partner would be voting with me kinda always otherwise it would be just a dumb play. And because scum doesnt know too who is a player and their vote counts and who doesnt a tie is simply not viable to pull / risk being scum lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Also

*Steals gif*

I live to provide

[Inawordyes]

I think your point fundamentally has zero sense at all and after this game ends I hope you never use it again because is dumb.

I am not saying that I 'know' like how are you remarking, I said it made me feel better / have more confidence on falcon being a hit, just by the fact that a townread expressed confidence on them being scum and Me vibing with that read. There isnt much science about it and I just feel dumb keeping this argument at this point tbh. Like, its basic stuff still

You know what, fine, I give up, I can’t explain myself and articulate this read properly

[Seanzie]

Or you can ISO me, I have a towncase on myself in SoD D3 I think and if you actually read the ISO and want to solve should reach to the correct conclussion that I am town anyways /shrug

I'm not going to ISO you.

But why did you ISO Michelle then? Whats this favouritism smh

I went back and skimmed through EoD2 to give myself some context on the wagonomics thing. Walk me through why you think EoD2 clears you. I am NOT going to look through 7 pages of your ISO for a post that I don't know what it looks like.

How a scum team of 4 ends uo with a mafia being tied at the end. And look at the votes on my end and the votes on my counterwagon, and the overall EoD when I came in ig. I think its kinda clearing town indicative for me tbh

Here was the VC with an hour left in the day:

Not Voting (7): MacDougall (33), Inawordyes (20), JaggedJimmyJay (35), risiinq- (45), sabie12 (2), Fext (5), Porscha (73)
chelsea (2): Golden (47), ~Prince J~ (18)
santygrass (6): nutella (171), Creature (121), DeeZees (44), pyxxy (14), Guillotine (192), Ranmilia (125)
marmot (2): Marmot (88), sprityo (24)
michelle (4): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (21), hollowkatt (81), Chelsea (18), TonyStarkPrime (31)
scotty (4): Lilypetal (39), EnderWiggin (165), RondoDimBuckle (163), tutuu (83)
hollowkatt (6): iaafr (236), Jackofhearts2005 (108), Hally (188), Dyslexicon (100), Vivax (42), DrWilgy (30)
drwilgy (1): SilverKeith (66)
lily (1): falcon45ca (22)
guillotina (1): katze (131)
nutella (1): Michelle (116)
master radishes (1): Sloonei (33)
c4e5g3d5 (1): c4e5g3d5 (85)
jackofhearts2005 (1): Schiavetto (30)
sloonei (3): santygrass (83), Scotty (52), Ricochet (10)
manny (1): Manny (223)
golden (1): lucy (19)
guillotine (1): Seanzie (10)
test (1): Lumi (78)
unvote (2): WindwardAway (105), arogame123 (61)
arogame (1): Sabiplz (243)
golden the coward (1): G-Man (23)
dr. wilgy (1): ilario (43)
enderwiggin (1): Neon (88)

If a single member of the wolves weren't around for EoD, then unless the other 3 are going to block-vote, that gives wolves only saving power of 2 - your selfpres plus a wolf saving buddy.

That means that HK or Michelle are the only ones who could have been viable saves for you. HK is the natural choice at this point, so as long as one other person is a wolf on HK, that makes sense.

if two members of the wolves weren't around for EoD, then your case is even weaker.

Even if all four wolves are around for EoD, unless they were block-voting together, they can't just magically stop your wagon from tieing.

Now think again consider the NPCs here. A 2 player or 3 player block ALWAYS would save someone here. So If I am a wolf, a partner would be voting with me kinda always otherwise it would be just a dumb play. And because scum doesnt know too who is a player and their vote counts and who doesnt a tie is simply not viable to pull / risk being scum lol

"A 2 player block ALWAYS would save someone here" is categorically false. A 3-player block might, but that requires 3 people to all be around for EoD and all to vote together on a wagon that has been a lead wagon all day. Hell, I'd say if you flip wolf, there's probably a wolf on you at that EoD, hedging their bets that the towncred they'd get from that will be worth more than keeping alive someone who is majorly suspected in thread.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think your point fundamentally has zero sense at all and after this game ends I hope you never use it again because is dumb.

I am not saying that I 'know' like how are you remarking, I said it made me feel better / have more confidence on falcon being a hit, just by the fact that a townread expressed confidence on them being scum and Me vibing with that read. There isnt much science about it and I just feel dumb keeping this argument at this point tbh. Like, its basic stuff still

You know what, fine, I give up, I can’t explain myself and articulate this read properly

That sounds like me

[Jackofhearts2005]

Again I am going tl make a comparison that is not 'equal to the case' but more like an exaggeration to be more clear.

Player A is a townread. Player B is a PoE slot.

Then comes Player A with a copcheck that Player B is mafia.


That *is* a confidence boost on Player B being more likely to be mafia, and I shouldnt need another reason (?)

Like, here the cop check would be replaced with Jack recent posts about Falcon, but id what are you even digging into bcuz yeh I think its a pretty basic stuff

I realize you say that it’s an exaggeration, but comparing Jack’s reads to a cop check is way too much confidence on a read that you should not have that much confidence about. It’s like you’re absolutely convinced that Falcon is mafia to the point where you know Falcon is mafia. The scout to my understanding is basically just an “NPC or Player” cop, so there is no way as town that you can know that Falcon is mafia; the only way that you can know that Falcon is mafia is if you are also mafia

The confidence you have in this read being correct is way too high. So either you’re both mafis together, or you’re manufacturing the confidence to justify pushing Falcon. That makes you look extremely scummy

What if I'm reeeeeeeeeally good at mafia, though?

[Inawordyes]

Again I am going tl make a comparison that is not 'equal to the case' but more like an exaggeration to be more clear.

Player A is a townread. Player B is a PoE slot.

Then comes Player A with a copcheck that Player B is mafia.


That *is* a confidence boost on Player B being more likely to be mafia, and I shouldnt need another reason (?)

Like, here the cop check would be replaced with Jack recent posts about Falcon, but id what are you even digging into bcuz yeh I think its a pretty basic stuff

I realize you say that it’s an exaggeration, but comparing Jack’s reads to a cop check is way too much confidence on a read that you should not have that much confidence about. It’s like you’re absolutely convinced that Falcon is mafia to the point where you know Falcon is mafia. The scout to my understanding is basically just an “NPC or Player” cop, so there is no way as town that you can know that Falcon is mafia; the only way that you can know that Falcon is mafia is if you are also mafia

The confidence you have in this read being correct is way too high. So either you’re both mafis together, or you’re manufacturing the confidence to justify pushing Falcon. That makes you look extremely scummy

What if I'm reeeeeeeeeally good at mafia, though?

[Inawordyes]

Okay, reset, topic-change, pivot-shift

What was the turning point yesterday when Lily overtook Neon as the main wagon?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Well obviously it's my overwhelming towny energy

[Inawordyes]

Well obviously it's my overwhelming towny energy

Obviously

Neon and Lily were by-far the biggest thread-consensus concerns yesterday. What was the threadstate and the state of the wagons when the momentum shifted to primarily pushing Lily?

[nutella]

sup im here. you guys post a lot. im vibing with santy's vibing with jack's falcon read and im finding iawy's questioning pretty useless lol. im in favor of flipping falcon

[Jackofhearts2005]

[Jackofhearts2005]

That was aimed at IAWY ie "somebody else check that, plz"

[nutella]

Okay, reset, topic-change, pivot-shift

What was the turning point yesterday when Lily overtook Neon as the main wagon?

they were both the main wagons from sod, i dont remember if majority went back and forth much but both were in contention for much of the day i think

[nutella]

i mean there was a point when i maybe personally pivoted to focusing more on lily? idk i dont care enough to look for it

[nutella]

why does this matter we are killing falcon today

[falcon45ca]

why does this matter we are killing falcon today

[nutella]

ive mindmelded with like almost all of santy's posts in the last few pages and iawy's position is utterly baffling to me lol

[nutella]

tbc i still think iawy is town i just really dont understand how his mind works

[nutella]

idk neon could still be a wolf too and i may regret softening on her but idk feel like falcon is the best chance we have today

[nutella]

was there some reason to think falcon/neon not w/w i think i saw someone say that

[falcon45ca]

tbc i still think iawy is town i just really dont understand how his mind works

In a world where falcon is town (and he is, trust me), who are the wolves pushing his wagon?



Cuz I don't know if I've ever been mislynched by a pure wagon. Ever

[nutella]

tbc i still think iawy is town i just really dont understand how his mind works

In a world where falcon is town (and he is, trust me), who are the wolves pushing his wagon?



Cuz I don't know if I've ever been mislynched by a pure wagon. Ever

prolly exactly one of jack/santy lol

[nutella]

like i can see jack faking this confidence as a wolf maybe

[nutella]

also im not sure what to think of jack stating some concern about me but sticking with probably town, guess it could be tmi combined with testing the waters on how pushable i am since a few others have been wary of me

[falcon45ca]

like i can see jack faking this confidence as a wolf maybe

I'm of the mind that Jack is genuine, but santy feels opportunistic.



Wilgy is also still sus

[nutella]

mm ok yeah this is a not insignificant set of concerns

i think i still want to flip falcon first and if he's a miss then catapult jack into the sun

but part of that is laziness and committing to my vote on previous days hasn't really worked out

[nutella]

@Manny @SilverKeith are you guys still around? would appreciate updated thoughts on santy. i mindmeld with him like a lot but im worried about him snowing tf out of me like the weather is doing here rn

[nutella]

and ive seen him deepwolf like that in champs semi

[falcon45ca]

also im not sure what to think of jack stating some concern about me but sticking with probably town, guess it could be tmi combined with testing the waters on how pushable i am since a few others have been wary of me

Hmmm, I hadn't noticed that.



GTH he's still town tho, his read comes across as pretty authentic IMO

[nutella]

hmmmmm

[nutella]

i literally hate mafia why am i doing this

[nutella]

brain go round and round

[Seanzie]

ive mindmelded with like almost all of santy's posts in the last few pages and iawy's position is utterly baffling to me lol

What about my position?

[nutella]

all circles presuppose they'll end where they begin but only in their leaving can they ever come back round

[Seanzie]

mm ok yeah this is a not insignificant set of concerns

i think i still want to flip falcon first and if he's a miss then catapult jack into the sun

but part of that is laziness and committing to my vote on previous days hasn't really worked out

I don't think Jack is the one that needs to be loaded into the catapult.

[nutella]

ive mindmelded with like almost all of santy's posts in the last few pages and iawy's position is utterly baffling to me lol

What about my position?

the hard defending falcon for completely indecipherable reasons? yeah no youre gonna have to help me out there

[nutella]

like im starting to see falcon could be town with some of his posts but the firmness with which you have been fighting this wagon is incomprehensible

[Inawordyes]

That was aimed at IAWY ie "somebody else check that, plz"

I’m at work and can’t easily ISO and thread-search from my phone, but I’m trying to still contribute so I’m asking for others who are in a better position than I atm to help pick up the slack in the areas that I am deficient

Complaining and/or making jokes about it doesn’t help anybody

[falcon45ca]

like im starting to see falcon could be town with some of his posts but the firmness with which you have been fighting this wagon is incomprehensible

I had looked at that as well, but Sean has been playing with me a bit lately, and he's getting more familiar with my tone.