The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

idk but this is a perfect opportunity to reaffirm that I'm a better mafia than Epignosis.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:30 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:21 am
How many times have you seen me cast a single vote on Day 1 and leave it there?

Was I supposed to be paying attention to you all this time? I'm sorry.

I'm saying I throw my votes around willynilly on every Day 1 that I ever play in. You're usually pretty on the ball about what goes on in game threads, but you've seldom been skeptical of me for doing this in the past.

Throwing your vote around isn't the same thing as accepting "any reason on Day 1."

Your words.

I am prone to hyperbole. But that's not far off from the truth. Just about anything can get my stamp of approval as a reason to vote on Day 1, because Day 1 is all about generating content for me. I find votes to be the most effective tool for doing this. Thus, manufacturing a reason to vote for a player is critical at this juncture of the game.

You're not going to vote for bob or mesk on Day 1, your words. Epignosis is a player who enjoys playing the opposition, I think, or at least he likes to make people uneasy in the thread. But to start this game he is advocating for two players instead. A hypotehtical player might see this and decide to create a conversation around it by placing a vote on him. I would approve of this action.

Me too! *vote Epignosis*

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:07 am Me too! *vote Epignosis*

Why?

He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

Can I answer?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

Can I answer?

I wanna hear from Jack :0

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

Can I answer?

I wanna hear from Jack :0

Then I won't answer.

What do you think about Quin?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:26 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

Can I answer?

I wanna hear from Jack :0

Then I won't answer.

What do you think about Quin?

I think Quin's throwing sticks early on which is generally a sign of good boy behavior.

ok I'm gonna ask actually, what's the deal with trust meta

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 am ok I'm gonna ask actually, what's the deal with trust meta

what do you mean?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:43 am I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Are you more inclined toward my hesitance or LC's confidence?

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Feeling educated? Great! So would I if this was 1939. Anyway, point is, mountains are meant to be big, not puny. Got it? Day 0 has lasted long enough. Now go lynch the small mountains.

Day 1 has begun. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:52 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 am ok I'm gonna ask actually, what's the deal with trust meta

what do you mean?

The whole point of poking is to make someone feel uncomfortable and cause them to react, right?

Well... What kind of reaction can you get by saying you trust someone? What would qualify as a baddie reaction to that.

Looking back I see that Jack asked for Spirityo's reads in the same post so that's probably what he meant by poking actually

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:12 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:52 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 am ok I'm gonna ask actually, what's the deal with trust meta

what do you mean?

The whole point of poking is to make someone feel uncomfortable and cause them to react, right?

Well... What kind of reaction can you get by saying you trust someone? What would qualify as a baddie reaction to that.

Looking back I see that Jack asked for Spirityo's reads in the same post so that's probably what he meant by poking actually

Maybe Jack (or any player) wants to see how another player responds to the appearance of trust. Maybe sprityo accepts it unconditionally, maybe he rejects it and throws it back in Jack's face, maybe he is skeptical but open to it, etc. I don't know why Jack has done the things he's done, but I don't think it's a terrible play to announce trust early on. But like I've said already, I'm pretty open to any strategy that encourages activity on Day 1.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:12 amWhat would qualify as a dangerous bad boy reaction to that.

fix

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:18 amMaybe Jack (or any player) wants to see how another player responds to the appearance of trust. Maybe sprityo accepts it unconditionally, maybe he rejects it and throws it back in Jack's face, maybe he is skeptical but open to it, etc. I don't know why Jack has done the things he's done, but I don't think it's a terrible play to announce trust early on. But like I've said already, I'm pretty open to any strategy that encourages activity on Day 1.

that's a valid point that I hadn't considered.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:43 am I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Are you more inclined toward my hesitance or LC's confidence?

The former, I guess. Mostly I agree with the sentiments you've expressed about why Quin's reasoning is fine for day 1, and probably enough to join Quin and LC in an epi vote if I don't get anything better for a day 1 reason

Can you agree with both hesitance and confidence toward the same thing simultaneously?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:31 am Can you agree with both hesitance and confidence toward the same thing simultaneously?

In this case, I think so. Nutella agrees with the sentiments that have been shared by myself, Long Con, and possibly you (we still don't know your actual reasons for voting Epi). I was only asking about the extent to which she agrees.

I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:38 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:31 am Can you agree with both hesitance and confidence toward the same thing simultaneously?

In this case, I think so. Nutella agrees with the sentiments that have been shared by myself, Long Con, and possibly you (we still don't know your actual reasons for voting Epi). I was only asking about the extent to which she agrees.

My reasons are the same as LC. I thought he was buddying.

Fair enough.

I am mesk, I am good! do you trust me?

that's how i feel about trust meta!

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:47 pm How come Mars gets to have such a big mountain?

gravity bruh

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm Yeah but I don't have a read on you yet.

(I don't actually have a read on Sprityo, either. I'm just poking him.)

You have a weird definition for "poking".

I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.

I am not voting for Epi today.

Suit yourself. *votes Epi*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Yeesh. No?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm Yeah but I don't have a read on you yet.

(I don't actually have a read on Sprityo, either. I'm just poking him.)

Why like him instead of me?

I missed him. We've been playing games together. I count Pirates even though that was a one day thing.

Also, we have a pretty standard mafia relationship. Crazy stuff tends to happen in games I play with Sprityo. At least two of them anyway.

Of course, I do like Doc. Hes a fun fellow even if Dunsparce is lame.

Quin/Sloonei not w/w imo.

And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Yeesh. No?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?

Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?

Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.

Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

You've got others. But I'm not gonna tell you just yet in case you're bad this game.

(PS no I don't think the existing Jack behavior is alignment-indicative)

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

idk but this is a perfect opportunity to reaffirm that I'm a better mafia than Epignosis.

Yeah but Epi's a better civvy so we just gotta watch and see which of you does good this game.

Tend to agree with your initial line of questioning.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:37 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

I could see all of this being applicable to Epi in his current form. But he is as crafty a townie as he is scum, so I'm not going to leap to any quick decisions on him.

That just might be the main reason he survives when scum.

The latter part for sure (and he's damn good at it) but the former? I don't think I've ever seen big grumpy Epi buddy anyone before.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

I take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.

Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:11 am He's buddying them, and then intimidating you out of an adversarial position. He's setting up a long game. That's not what Civ Epignosis cares to do.

This again, about what a "civilian Epignosis" cares to do. You really should write a book about me, since you're such an expert.

Saying I won't vote someone Day 1 for catching my Elton John reference is not "setting up a long game."

Finding a reason to believe Mesk is civilian and in the next hour reevaluating that reason is, again, not "setting up a long game."

Intimidating Sloonei (if that's what you want to call it, since I don't believe Sloonei can be intimidated in Mafia, and even if he could, what would I have to gain by intimidating him if I could just kill him Night 1?) is not "setting up a long game."

You are implying that "setting up a long game" is something I, as mafia, would do on Day 1. That is mistaken. The fact is I don't bother with long term planning Day 1 when I am bad. It's antithetical to success in most cases, because to be good at being bad, one must be flexible and able to dance. And I am a fine dancer.

If Long Con is a civilian, then is most likely means he is genuine in his suspicion of me.

If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.

In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?

If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.

I don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.

Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:43 am I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Are you more inclined toward my hesitance or LC's confidence?

The former, I guess. Mostly I agree with the sentiments you've expressed about why Quin's reasoning is fine for day 1, and probably enough to join Quin and LC in an epi vote if I don't get anything better for a day 1 reason

What is Quin's reasoning?

Here is everything Quin has said about me:

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:36 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 pm ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is

what does this sentence mean?

do you want other people to tell you why you are going to vote for mr gnosis?

i'd like that very much thank you

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pmI'm better at being scum than that Sloonei.

Can you provide proof of this?

idk but this is a perfect opportunity to reaffirm that I'm a better mafia than Epignosis.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*

We need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*

We need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*

We need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.

Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:00 amThat's a good enough reason for Day 1 because I will accept any reason on Day 1.