The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:23 pm well i hope for like 7 new pages when i wake up! im, like, a social vampire dude, i need yall to post to recharge me with energy. come here and let me suck ur vitality

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:30 pm Um, for the record, I know what groovy means. I was making fun of Sloonei using the word.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:30 pm Um, for the record, I know what groovy means. I was making fun of Sloonei using the word.

Don’t be a square.

Do you have reads or thoughts or anything yet?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:07 pm I have a very good track record in games where we vote to give someone a gun. Which this basically is. So vote to give me a gun.

End pitch and posting.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:07 pm a thought i had about this setup while brainstorming is that the "the person who has the least votes gets sent to the grasslands" rule basically functions as a doc save - we can ensure that our strongest townread gets sent to the endgame if we take advantage of the mechanics to save them every night (and we can also use them as a means to submit the execution kill that we want - this was discussed as an idea in the pre-game but it's worth bringing up again)

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:22 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:07 pm a thought i had about this setup while brainstorming is that the "the person who has the least votes gets sent to the grasslands" rule basically functions as a doc save - we can ensure that our strongest townread gets sent to the endgame if we take advantage of the mechanics to save them every night (and we can also use them as a means to submit the execution kill that we want - this was discussed as an idea in the pre-game but it's worth bringing up again)

While I did read about that pre-game strategy post, and this, I can't help but feel a bit skeptical of things related to this plan.

Let me say this first though: I do agree with the idea so far in terms of a "best bet".

However, the only failing of that plan is that it relies on not having scum manipulate the execution to be onto a townie, or be the one who's selected to carry out the execution.

Additionally, there may be a divide as to who is the "towniest" or should be least-voted.

Although, I think I feel safer with this plan rather than the imaginable alternatives right now.

I think trying to think of the votes as anything else at the moment may make things a bit too unpredictable for town to (collectively) handle, hence why I agree with it the most at the moment. Though I suppose that may be a thought to consider later if we've repeatedly failed to catch a single scum since at that point the game would be proof that the plan hasn't worked. In which case, trying to shake things up may put things out of scum's control.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:23 pm everyone else think for me


should i just vote everyone except nanook so he gets the gun like he said

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:25 pm i already have one townread. anyone wanna guess who it is?

definitely not me probably sloonei

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:30 pm sloonei sus hour has begun

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:33 pm spf townreads martin confirmed

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:32 pm can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:43 pm tutuu town
spf prob town
martin and nanook light townleans
sloonei, hally, thunal have done nothing ai, all of their posts so far can easily be in their scumranges imo

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:32 pm can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:10 pm hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:10 pm hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:10 pm hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:54 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:32 pm can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

why do u tr nutella for that post?

She’s not letting her reads be influenced by the question. Her original statement re:sloonei was ambiguojs and she didn’t let it be construed as something that it wasn’t. That seems like a good strong nutella-town mindset.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:10 pm Who has played this setup before?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:21 pm growing up and changing urself is fun. i keep alternating beween scumread sux townread rox but now i have no townreads and wanna do a scummie

i wanna say i lightly scumread u sloonei boyo

(i was about to begin my next line with butter my biscuits but then i googled it and its actually something sexual WTF????? i have used it before in a completely innocent way, cuz that unit from starcraft 1 says it, the marine i think, wtf?)

ANYWAY.

SLOONEI.

do NOT butter my biscuits

but i wanna say i lightly scumread u cuz

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:54 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:32 pm can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

why do u tr nutella for that post?

She’s not letting her reads be influenced by the question. Her original statement re:sloonei was ambiguojs and she didn’t let it be construed as something that it wasn’t. That seems like a good strong nutella-town mindset.

i think this read is a stretch. nutella corrected my misunerstanding thats all. ur townreading her cuz ur assuming wolf!nutella would just go along with my misunderstanding? and she would now pretend she townreads sloonei when she originally didnt want to fake that, all cuz i misunderstood her? u wot mate?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:25 pm hi cuties, how cool is this, i'm so excited to be modding my first dizzy game! i'm your friendly face, and moderator on duty or game facilitator. that means my job is to make sure everyone has as much fun in this game as possible. please reach out to me if you're having any problems with another player, the host, the game, or just feel frustrated about anything! i'm always here to help. and when emotions run high as they do in any competitive sport, remember we're all friends here, playing a fun game of mafia. good luck! x

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:26 pm nutella's response reminds me of the type of thing i will say when people misunderstand my (often deliberately) confusing words early in games.

nutella-or-sloonei says X.
Player asks nutella-or-sloonei about Y.
nutella-or-sloonei stresses Not Y, Only X.

I like it. It's a thing I do when I'm town. I see nutella do it and think town.

at tutuu

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:26 pm nutella's response reminds me of the type of thing i will say when people misunderstand my (often deliberately) confusing words early in games.

nutella-or-sloonei says X.
Player asks nutella-or-sloonei about Y.
nutella-or-sloonei stresses Not Y, Only X.

I like it. It's a thing I do when I'm town. I see nutella do it and think town.

at tutuu

I would also note that the "misunderstanding" is irrelevant: a hypothetical mafioso might be less sure of their position right there. Even if tutuu is misunderstanding their initial point, they might see the question and think they need to come up with an answer for it. Instead nutella just stuck to the initial point and didn't budge.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:08 pmhally is mafia

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:10 pm hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:47 pm I want to gut scumread Carotte for saying hi and dipping. Hard to verbalize this one but I feel she'd be slightly more engaged with the AI stuff (reads flying around etc.) as town.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:08 pmhally is mafia

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:10 pm hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:21 pm @tutuu
@Hally
@Long Con
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Sloonei
@novaselinenever
@staypositivefriend
@Thunal33
@nutella
@MartinGG99
@Alison
@Carotenoid


@JaggedJimmyJay will be replacing @Scirrus

Do not talk about subs in the thread. Thank you!

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:47 pm I want to gut scumread Carotte for saying hi and dipping. Hard to verbalize this one but I feel she'd be slightly more engaged with the AI stuff (reads flying around etc.) as town.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:08 pmhally is mafia

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:10 pm hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:21 pm @tutuu
@Hally
@Long Con
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Sloonei
@novaselinenever
@staypositivefriend
@Thunal33
@nutella
@MartinGG99
@Alison
@Carotenoid


@JaggedJimmyJay will be replacing @Scirrus

Do not talk about subs in the thread. Thank you!

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:40 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:35 pmGroovy?

wait u rly dont know groovy? ur between gen X and millenials right. interesting u never heard of it. it means, like. swag

i wanna townread the L to the C cuz he seems very very preoccupied with expanding his slang vocabulary. i vibe with it (like i can empathize with posting itt whatever u want and not caring if ppl might not townread u when u rand town)

its a bit of a stretch logically thinking but i emotionally speaking it feesl good about making the read so here we go

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Where is Carotte?

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Reminder that my permascum curse is only on MU.

Also, I'm kind of intimidated by this playerlist lol. 4 champs finalists and players like Nutella and Alison who I've played with and know they're good?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:37 pm alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:37 pm alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 pm Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

you’re town because you are um no really, i liked your reaction test thing and just generally am finding your presence to be town!you. idk how to explain it better than that

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:37 pm alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

I'm confused by this actually. I thought you felt there was a scum between Hally/Sloonei because you independently scumread both of them to the extent that you thought it was very unlikely that you were wrong about both. But this wording ("difference check") seems to imply that you believe that they can't be W/W. What's going on here?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:43 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 pm

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

you’re town because you are um no really, i liked your reaction test thing and just generally am finding your presence to be town!you. idk how to explain it better than that

lol this makes sense to me, and there's been a few points while reading your catch-up posts where im like: "oh this definitely sounds like hallytown, i should tr them" and then my brain immediately comes to a screeching halt because im trying not to let myself get pocketed by you too easily i think that if you are town ill know with a good degree of confidence by the end of today though

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:37 pm alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:38 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Reminder that my permascum curse is only on MU.

Also, I'm kind of intimidated by this playerlist lol. 4 champs finalists and players like Nutella and Alison who I've played with and know they're good?

you fit right in thun, don’t you worry

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:46 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:37 pm alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

I'm confused by this actually. I thought you felt there was a scum between Hally/Sloonei because you independently scumread both of them to the extent that you thought it was very unlikely that you were wrong about both. But this wording ("difference check") seems to imply that you believe that they can't be W/W. What's going on here?

I initially thought it was possible they were both wolf but seeing how hard hally is going after sloonei I decided against it


I've just gotten enough scum pings from them that I'd be really surprised if they're both town, and currently lean toward sloonei being the wolf and hally just setting me off a bit at first but being within their town range probably

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:48 pm ok full disclosure: i was afraid of this going into the game. like when i saw i randed town i was like “but spf and sloonei are gonna be so paranoid of me now if they’re town and i might not be able to work with them as well.” like particularly with you, im scared that even if we agree on stuff you’ll be so nervous that im just pocketing you that you won’t wanna just accept that im town, which is gonna suck for both of us. idk if that will actually happen but yea, i am cognizant of this

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:51 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:48 pm ok full disclosure: i was afraid of this going into the game. like when i saw i randed town i was like “but spf and sloonei are gonna be so paranoid of me now if they’re town and i might not be able to work with them as well.” like particularly with you, im scared that even if we agree on stuff you’ll be so nervous that im just pocketing you that you won’t wanna just accept that im town, which is gonna suck for both of us. idk if that will actually happen but yea, i am cognizant of this

ok fine you can be town


(for now)

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:48 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:43 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:19 pm
There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:22 pm i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:30 pm town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

you’re town because you are um no really, i liked your reaction test thing and just generally am finding your presence to be town!you. idk how to explain it better than that

lol this makes sense to me, and there's been a few points while reading your catch-up posts where im like: "oh this definitely sounds like hallytown, i should tr them" and then my brain immediately comes to a screeching halt because im trying not to let myself get pocketed by you too easily i think that if you are town ill know with a good degree of confidence by the end of today though

ok full disclosure: i was afraid of this going into the game. like when i saw i randed town i was like “but spf and sloonei are gonna be so paranoid of me now if they’re town and i might not be able to work with them as well.” like particularly with you, im scared that even if we agree on stuff you’ll be so nervous that im just pocketing you that you won’t wanna just accept that im town, which is gonna suck for both of us. idk if that will actually happen but yea, i am cognizant of this