Nat'l Lampoon's Christmas Vacation - Game End

[Long Con]

If you want to win the game. Vote Mac Pyxxy with me and (Or really Mac / anyone) and then make sure the wagons are tied. If you dont do this I take no responsibility for the outcome and as of this point I am checking out of the game

[robyn]

Mac appears towny





Scotty appears pockety

oh woweeeeee, my pov

[robyn]

Does anyone else see what LCs been saying about porscha?

Feels like a mountain of a molehill, but perhaps I'm missing something

There's some confusion, and some frustration involved. My initial vote... Porscha said everyone except DM and maybe Mac, had "howled". I asked Porscha how I had howled, and I considered the answer "you generally just sound performative to me, but it was also more of a comment on the general threadstate" to be handwavy and weak, and felt wolfy.

As for "what I've been saying", here's my perspective on what I'm dealing with:

Spoiler: show

There are two points that I'm frustrated with.

The first is this progression:

if I dont wifom rondo back then that's no fun lol, I'm surprised you took it as a legitimate answer to his illegitimate comment

Don't be surprised, because I didn't, and it's weird that you'd frame the conversation that way. You said I overreacted to Rondo's post, when your reaction was WHA and mine was considerably less "over" and quite less reactionary. This is the reason these answers are being discussed, you are the first one to bring up the idea of either of us taking Rondo seriously. What's going on here?

I didn't take rondo's post seriously, I didn't respond seriously, it's weird that you took his and my posts seriously (guess we can't all have the same sense of humor but rondo is clearly just shit posting)

...so that frustrates me, because Porscha obviously didn't read my post. It diminishes my likelihood of putting effort into further interaction.

The other thing is this:

Sounds fake.

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

lmao I see what you did there

Yes, I voted you, and you saw it.

no, with the whole "people wanting you dead thing"

it's like an over reaction hidden behind a joke

Porscha corrects me when I thought the "I see what you did there" was about my vote, and tells me that they were talking about the "people wanting you dead" thing, which is about the reactions to Rondo's post involving us. So that's why my posts following have that perspective.

Then Porscha posts this:

my accusation that you over reacted was that you over reacted *to me* and *my read* ... had nothing to do with rondo

So yeah... frustrating.

I hope this helps you understand.

Hmmmmmm




[VOTE: porscha] aubergine

Read long cons iso and come tell me he cares about anyone other than me, to which he is still pushing my read as "fake" when it clearly isnt, and even after he kept pushing me on the rondo remark (when it was never about the rondo remark), he doesnt make a case about me. Just casually asks pointless questions every 6 hours until he sees someone ask a question about me, then he throws his weight into trying to make me look bad off of his own made up reason ... almost all of his content is based around me... if I wasnt trying to give him the benefit of the doubt repeatedly, I'd say he is just hyperfocusing on me cuz he is having a hard time engaging with the thread and found some weak argument to latch on to

mmmm towny (also acknowledging the post mac made where if i am town then porscha likely to be a wolf)

[robyn]

@Porscha I would love for this ridiculous argument to be over, but I honestly can't until you understand.

YOU are the one who accused ME of overreacting. I didn't bring up the idea.

You literally said that I overreacted to Rondo's post. Please read the spoilered response I gave to falcon, and then read it again even more slowly, because I can't handle this.

probs town

[robyn]

If Mac is a wolf, Rondo and leetic are easy teammates




Why is town Mac going so hard to get MKd N1?

mmmmmm

[robyn]

If Mac is a wolf, Rondo and leetic are easy teammates




Why is town Mac going so hard to get MKd N1?

mmmmmm

so mac/rondo/leetic just is not pure

falcon reads this as the team and rondo/leetic currently suspect mac

i'm also fairly sure that mac is town as well as leetic (for his angry posts towards abbie ( trust me i've made many many many angry posts towards abbie))

[robyn]

Wow that was a terrible chop. I actually had no idea eod was going to be like 2am Xmas morning but my vote on Sig was not intentional.

@falcon45ca how in gods green Earth is a post describing the merits of common POE play "abhorrent" and worthy of being voted? That's astonishing to me.

full disclosure but i only voted sig because you were voting him

If you read my posts you'd see I was townreading him.

i did, but as leetic points out you were on him for most of day so i thought your tr did a 180

[robyn]

Anyway, I do think the way robyn has approached my slot was towny. Wolves likely targeted me with the post restriction to shut me up, and robyn was the only one who seemingly tried to put effort into deciphering what I was saying and allowing me to participate. They weren't great at it, but props for trying!

kinky

[robyn]

okay so, currently i'm here

robyn
mac
leetic
long con
porscha
pyxxy
abbie

scotty
rondo

[robyn]

So anyway, about that post restriction. It was not a part of my role, and it was something that was given to me at the start of D1. It's not like it was something like "if you keep this up you get a cool power you can use", I had to keep it up or I would lose my vote. Given that, it's almost certainly a wolf power and I should be basically lock town for having been targeted by this. (As an aside, this was one of the things that weirded me out about RDB — they said nobody should read anything alignment indicative about my posting, when the very fact that I was targeted by said power should be alignment indicative.) Now it's time to determine who used this power, and it's probably someone who has experience with me being a vocal town leader and wanted to shut me up before that could happen (or maybe it's Abby who did it just to piss me off).

So this was either a one-use power of the wolves, something they can do again, or they can give townies other post restrictions. Regardless, it might be wise to come up with a cypher so that if someone gets targeted by this again they can communicate more effectively. I tried my best, but there were obvious limits.

For probably obvious reasons if you followed Ted Lasso, I would never clear someone for being bamboozified.
In this case, I think i town read you with the takes you were making. I think

Who would willingly put themselves through such crap though?

Did…did you read Ted Lasso at all?

I insanified myself for shits and as soon as I started doing it I immediately regretted it due to the painstaking editing I had to do in each post. And I didn’t just want to post a few times and dip. I had to be believable.

In any case, you were most definitely stuck singing as per the host post, so an ability was most definitely used on you.

And I jived with you on reads. So

this is literally the exact shitty read that scotty gave for falcon that refuted my reasoning, it's stealing credit and just changing the narrative which is strange

[robyn]

Anyway, I do think the way robyn has approached my slot was towny. Wolves likely targeted me with the post restriction to shut me up, and robyn was the only one who seemingly tried to put effort into deciphering what I was saying and allowing me to participate. They weren't great at it, but props for trying!

nah ur mafia

he's town imo

[robyn]

Would wolf!Scotty really silence himself after saying he is the kind of player who would do so?

i mean, i wouldn't put it past him

[robyn]

Would wolf!Scotty really silence himself after saying he is the kind of player who would do so?

If that's the case, then his dedication to the ruse, by still posting at first, has fully tricked me.

scum points for scotty

[robyn]

You're supposed to be this amazingly townie player, I'm seeing nothing amazingly townie right now.

judging by the posts on the page 20 do you think he's being towny?

[MacDougall]

I'm down to give Robyn the keys now.

[robyn]

Felt like LC's somewhat hit the ground hard on day 2 pushing the Falcon kill solve in a sussy way.

The idea I should die n1 in all games is flawed. Especially after the day 1 I had.

I don't know how else I would have "pushed the kill solve". I looked at his posts and noted the names. I felt pretty objective about it, especially since I don't know if that's the right way to go. I don't think I was "sussy" about it.

I think we have 48 hours to do this, Mac. I don't think you're in the right frame of mind for Mafia right now. Let's circle back later.

oh, this is scummy tbh

[robyn]

I'm down to give Robyn the keys now.

uwu

scotty/rondo/lc world?

[MacDougall]

Like I look at this and think, if I was a wolf and Rondo is town... this game is so easy. I literally only have to say Mac is town, passively object to any modicum of sus he casts against my team (or ignore it) and nod when he pushes a townie.

@robyn a little like how Porscha reacted to my vote on you.

Ive tried to understand what you are trying to say here. Can you expand on what you mean in each point?

This isn't me answering anything other than why your play has been demotivating. Because I think you are town and I think you are actually present and capable of being more towny/solvy it is making me feel like the game is needlessly hard and you're the main reason lol.

[robyn]

Let's look into the standard reasons why townies are nightkilled and see if any of them explain falcon's death:

He was just too towny: Probably not. I mean, nobody seems to have strongly suspected him, but that's largely because nobody was really talking about him in the first place. I don't think wolves reach this conclusion without even trying to pressure him.
He was too vocal/had high WIM: LOL.
His reads were good: Certainly a possibility, we've already gone over who that would indict.
Wolves wanted to throw town off: Also a possibility, as falcon had strong suspicions yet didn't really elaborate on them, which could allow the wolves to construct their own narrative here.
Wolves thought they saw a softclaim: I mean, I saw nothing, but it wouldn't be the first time that wolves saw a softclaim that didn't exist.
Wolves were worried about falcon based on him knowing the wolves well/his performance in previous games: Someone else would probably be a better judge over whether this is a possibility than me.

Another question is, if the falcon kill was unexpected than who would be the expected kill? Besides Mac getting Manti'd, I don't think anyone else has been suggested as a possibility, so a falcon kill at the end of the day might not be that much weirder than some of the other options

falcon is a kill that maintains the status quo, also odds are he had a correct sr

[MacDougall]

I'm down to give Robyn the keys now.

uwu

scotty/rondo/lc world?

Scotty/LC interacted a lot d1. Do you think it wasn't clearing?

[robyn]

I'm down to give Robyn the keys now.

uwu

scotty/rondo/lc world?

Scotty/LC interacted a lot d1. Do you think it wasn't clearing?

nowadays scum rarely distance from one another, they go and powerwolf and chop towns as a team, you have said this

consider though, these two are ancient players where distancing is actually scum meta

[robyn]

+ scotty just distanced tf out of thunal and svs in ted lasso

[robyn]

If falcon was really killed due to his reads, it would have to be because they were closer than anyone else's. It may be useful to see where falcon's reads differed from people who otherwise had similar reads. Still, I'd probably have to reread the game for that.

incorrect assumption, one correct scum read>accuracy

[MacDougall]

I don't disagree

[robyn]

I think Abbi did it, and I think it has a fine chance of being a Town ability, knowing these Hosts.

Honestly, if Abby really did it then she deserves to die for using such an anti-town ability. Could she not idle? If what she's saying is true, the action isn't forced to go through

this just feels insanely towny

[Long Con]

Felt like LC's somewhat hit the ground hard on day 2 pushing the Falcon kill solve in a sussy way.

The idea I should die n1 in all games is flawed. Especially after the day 1 I had.

I don't know how else I would have "pushed the kill solve". I looked at his posts and noted the names. I felt pretty objective about it, especially since I don't know if that's the right way to go. I don't think I was "sussy" about it.

I think we have 48 hours to do this, Mac. I don't think you're in the right frame of mind for Mafia right now. Let's circle back later.

oh, this is scummy tbh

Not at all, really.

[robyn]

mac, how confident are you in rondo town, cause he did the exact same shit to me in severance as wolf, as in not defend me even though he could find me as town instantly, as town

[Long Con]

I'm down to give Robyn the keys now.

uwu

scotty/rondo/lc world?

This is just bad, restart from the beginning.

[robyn]

scotty town
Long Con town
DM town

some other names

@Serhal do you like mech?

@tutuu what's your favorite flavour of jam?

@RondoDimBuckle I accidentally left scumchat can you let me back in? Mac is method acting our distancing and won't do it

mmmmmmmmmm

[RondoDimBuckle]

Like I look at this and think, if I was a wolf and Rondo is town... this game is so easy. I literally only have to say Mac is town, passively object to any modicum of sus he casts against my team (or ignore it) and nod when he pushes a townie.

@robyn a little like how Porscha reacted to my vote on you.

Ive tried to understand what you are trying to say here. Can you expand on what you mean in each point?

This isn't me answering anything other than why your play has been demotivating. Because I think you are town and I think you are actually present and capable of being more towny/solvy it is making me feel like the game is needlessly hard and you're the main reason lol.

Look man I just want to chill its Christmas. I have said what I want. If you think I am town maybe trust me

[robyn]

@RondoDimBuckle if you have your vote on me by EOD today and I die the responsibility of solving the game becomes squarely yours.

I think Rondo is a wolf do you not?

If Pyxxy is town yes.

mmmm

[robyn]

I'm confused how Leetic is so convinced I'm mafia if I'm obvious enough town for Abi and Tutuu to be townreading me still.

I think y'all should talk about it.

Same with you @Porscha and @robyn.

i don't think you were particularly obvious expect for those who know you well, you should be near obvious now

[robyn]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

[Long Con]

Nah, Mac is not town. That post was wolfy, and he turnaround and "oopsie" on sig, post lynch, was not towny.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

[robyn]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

rondo has had a worldview and reads that have just not made any sense to me this entire game, furthermore they've been exactly opposite to mine and i expect rondo to have a worldview and reads that are fairly similar to my own

i think pyxxy's pr claim is either outing and self sacrifice on d2 or rondo is just scum, and i lean towards the latter because my view is that scum pyxxy would give some effort at all. or he would decide to fake reads and stances and all that jazz and phone in a worldview. but he just hasn't

i am pretty confident that leetic and mac are town, they're my top tr's, and they feel like the only people actually deciding to move the game forward

i was extremely busy and a drunkard but i'm here now

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

rondo has had a worldview and reads that have just not made any sense to me this entire game, furthermore they've been exactly opposite to mine and i expect rondo to have a worldview and reads that are fairly similar to my own

i think pyxxy's pr claim is either outing and self sacrifice on d2 or rondo is just scum, and i lean towards the latter because my view is that scum pyxxy would give some effort at all. or he would decide to fake reads and stances and all that jazz and phone in a worldview. but he just hasn't

i am pretty confident that leetic and mac are town, they're my top tr's, and they feel like the only people actually deciding to move the game forward

i was extremely busy and a drunkard but i'm here now

My condolences on your rand

[RondoDimBuckle]

Robyn+ porscha+ mac. Otherwise she would be pushing the people on her wagon. Not doing backflips to vote me

[robyn]

Robyn+ porscha+ mac. Otherwise she would be pushing the people on her wagon. Not doing backflips to vote me

mac voting me was encouraging activity, it was not scummy, it was towny

i believe porscha did the same because she got mad at me once for being a potato town in a game

i believe you've done nothing but push town this entire game, and none of your reads make sense to me. as town you should be able to find me and mac as town too and i think it's outing that you aren't

[robyn]

that's also weird as fuck because why the fuck would my two teammates randomly decide to bus town!robyn

as you've seen in severance town love pushing me

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Porscha what is your read on me?

like 80% depressed town is my opinion

This Porscha gets me

[MacDougall]

mac, how confident are you in rondo town, cause he did the exact same shit to me in severance as wolf, as in not defend me even though he could find me as town instantly, as town

I feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours

[robyn]

mac, how confident are you in rondo town, cause he did the exact same shit to me in severance as wolf, as in not defend me even though he could find me as town instantly, as town

I feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours

i'm more so thinking that he's mafia and would like to entice you to vote him

[RondoDimBuckle]

mac, how confident are you in rondo town, cause he did the exact same shit to me in severance as wolf, as in not defend me even though he could find me as town instantly, as town

I feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours

i'm more so thinking that he's mafia and would like to entice you to vote him

Now why would I want that?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think I want to add Scotty to my kill tomorrow night

@Porscha I'm telling you Rondo is town. Don't forget this on day 3 when I'm dead.

We go from this

mac, how confident are you in rondo town, cause he did the exact same shit to me in severance as wolf, as in not defend me even though he could find me as town instantly, as town

I feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours

To this


Interesting

[MacDougall]

Nah, Mac is not town. That post was wolfy, and he turnaround and "oopsie" on sig, post lynch, was not towny.

What post was wolfy?

[MacDougall]

I think I want to add Scotty to my kill tomorrow night

@Porscha I'm telling you Rondo is town. Don't forget this on day 3 when I'm dead.

We go from this

mac, how confident are you in rondo town, cause he did the exact same shit to me in severance as wolf, as in not defend me even though he could find me as town instantly, as town

I feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours

To this


Interesting

Why would Mac decree a falsely strong confident townread on someone he can't read well day 1, I wonder?

[RondoDimBuckle]

What's the point? If I'm wolf I am not killing you either way so it makes no sense to choose me.

[MacDougall]

Like I look at this and think, if I was a wolf and Rondo is town... this game is so easy. I literally only have to say Mac is town, passively object to any modicum of sus he casts against my team (or ignore it) and nod when he pushes a townie.

@robyn a little like how Porscha reacted to my vote on you.

Ive tried to understand what you are trying to say here. Can you expand on what you mean in each point?

This isn't me answering anything other than why your play has been demotivating. Because I think you are town and I think you are actually present and capable of being more towny/solvy it is making me feel like the game is needlessly hard and you're the main reason lol.

Look man I just want to chill its Christmas. I have said what I want. If you think I am town maybe trust me

This is the first time in the game you've not been gimmick posting as mafia. I don't see how chilling because it's Christmas and open claiming to be mafia and making yourself impossible to analyse are the same thing.

[MacDougall]

What's the point? If I'm wolf I am not killing you either way so it makes no sense to choose me.

Mac lock townreading town Rondo generally either gets me or you killed n1 unless you're mafia, more to the point.