Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:11 pm If you want to win the game. Vote Mac Pyxxy with me and (Or really Mac / anyone) and then make sure the wagons are tied. If you dont do this I take no responsibility for the outcome and as of this point I am checking out of the game
oh woweeeeee, my pov
mmmm towny (also acknowledging the post mac made where if i am town then porscha likely to be a wolf)Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:59 pmRead long cons iso and come tell me he cares about anyone other than me, to which he is still pushing my read as "fake" when it clearly isnt, and even after he kept pushing me on the rondo remark (when it was never about the rondo remark), he doesnt make a case about me. Just casually asks pointless questions every 6 hours until he sees someone ask a question about me, then he throws his weight into trying to make me look bad off of his own made up reason ... almost all of his content is based around me... if I wasnt trying to give him the benefit of the doubt repeatedly, I'd say he is just hyperfocusing on me cuz he is having a hard time engaging with the thread and found some weak argument to latch on tofalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:40 pmLong Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:38 pmThere's some confusion, and some frustration involved. My initial vote... Porscha said everyone except DM and maybe Mac, had "howled". I asked Porscha how I had howled, and I considered the answer "you generally just sound performative to me, but it was also more of a comment on the general threadstate" to be handwavy and weak, and felt wolfy.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:57 pm Does anyone else see what LCs been saying about porscha?
Feels like a mountain of a molehill, but perhaps I'm missing something
As for "what I've been saying", here's my perspective on what I'm dealing with:
I hope this helps you understand.Spoiler: show
Hmmmmmm
[VOTE: porscha] aubergine
probs townLong Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:53 am @Porscha I would love for this ridiculous argument to be over, but I honestly can't until you understand.
YOU are the one who accused ME of overreacting. I didn't bring up the idea.
You literally said that I overreacted to Rondo's post. Please read the spoilered response I gave to falcon, and then read it again even more slowly, because I can't handle this.
mmmmmmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:29 am If Mac is a wolf, Rondo and leetic are easy teammates
Why is town Mac going so hard to get MKd N1?
so mac/rondo/leetic just is not purerobyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:27 pmmmmmmmfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:29 am If Mac is a wolf, Rondo and leetic are easy teammates
Why is town Mac going so hard to get MKd N1?
i did, but as leetic points out you were on him for most of day so i thought your tr did a 180MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:44 pmIf you read my posts you'd see I was townreading him.robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:26 pmfull disclosure but i only voted sig because you were voting himMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:20 pm Wow that was a terrible chop. I actually had no idea eod was going to be like 2am Xmas morning but my vote on Sig was not intentional.
@falcon45ca how in gods green Earth is a post describing the merits of common POE play "abhorrent" and worthy of being voted? That's astonishing to me.
kinkyleetic wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:51 pm Anyway, I do think the way robyn has approached my slot was towny. Wolves likely targeted me with the post restriction to shut me up, and robyn was the only one who seemingly tried to put effort into deciphering what I was saying and allowing me to participate. They weren't great at it, but props for trying!
this is literally the exact shitty read that scotty gave for falcon that refuted my reasoning, it's stealing credit and just changing the narrative which is strangeScotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:21 amDid…did you read Ted Lasso at all?leetic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:03 amWho would willingly put themselves through such crap though?Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 12:40 amFor probably obvious reasons if you followed Ted Lasso, I would never clear someone for being bamboozified.leetic wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:49 pm So anyway, about that post restriction. It was not a part of my role, and it was something that was given to me at the start of D1. It's not like it was something like "if you keep this up you get a cool power you can use", I had to keep it up or I would lose my vote. Given that, it's almost certainly a wolf power and I should be basically lock town for having been targeted by this. (As an aside, this was one of the things that weirded me out about RDB — they said nobody should read anything alignment indicative about my posting, when the very fact that I was targeted by said power should be alignment indicative.) Now it's time to determine who used this power, and it's probably someone who has experience with me being a vocal town leader and wanted to shut me up before that could happen (or maybe it's Abby who did it just to piss me off).
So this was either a one-use power of the wolves, something they can do again, or they can give townies other post restrictions. Regardless, it might be wise to come up with a cypher so that if someone gets targeted by this again they can communicate more effectively. I tried my best, but there were obvious limits.
In this case, I think i town read you with the takes you were making. I think
I insanified myself for shits and as soon as I started doing it I immediately regretted it due to the painstaking editing I had to do in each post. And I didn’t just want to post a few times and dip. I had to be believable.
In any case, you were most definitely stuck singing as per the host post, so an ability was most definitely used on you.
And I jived with you on reads. So
he's town imoMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:15 pmnah ur mafialeetic wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:51 pm Anyway, I do think the way robyn has approached my slot was towny. Wolves likely targeted me with the post restriction to shut me up, and robyn was the only one who seemingly tried to put effort into deciphering what I was saying and allowing me to participate. They weren't great at it, but props for trying!
scum points for scotty
oh, this is scummy tbhLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:36 pmI don't know how else I would have "pushed the kill solve". I looked at his posts and noted the names. I felt pretty objective about it, especially since I don't know if that's the right way to go. I don't think I was "sussy" about it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:07 pm Felt like LC's somewhat hit the ground hard on day 2 pushing the Falcon kill solve in a sussy way.
The idea I should die n1 in all games is flawed. Especially after the day 1 I had.
I think we have 48 hours to do this, Mac. I don't think you're in the right frame of mind for Mafia right now. Let's circle back later.
uwu
This isn't me answering anything other than why your play has been demotivating. Because I think you are town and I think you are actually present and capable of being more towny/solvy it is making me feel like the game is needlessly hard and you're the main reason lol.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:28 pmIve tried to understand what you are trying to say here. Can you expand on what you mean in each point?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:31 pm Like I look at this and think, if I was a wolf and Rondo is town... this game is so easy. I literally only have to say Mac is town, passively object to any modicum of sus he casts against my team (or ignore it) and nod when he pushes a townie.
@robyn a little like how Porscha reacted to my vote on you.
falcon is a kill that maintains the status quo, also odds are he had a correct srleetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:04 pm Let's look into the standard reasons why townies are nightkilled and see if any of them explain falcon's death:
He was just too towny: Probably not. I mean, nobody seems to have strongly suspected him, but that's largely because nobody was really talking about him in the first place. I don't think wolves reach this conclusion without even trying to pressure him.
He was too vocal/had high WIM: LOL.
His reads were good: Certainly a possibility, we've already gone over who that would indict.
Wolves wanted to throw town off: Also a possibility, as falcon had strong suspicions yet didn't really elaborate on them, which could allow the wolves to construct their own narrative here.
Wolves thought they saw a softclaim: I mean, I saw nothing, but it wouldn't be the first time that wolves saw a softclaim that didn't exist.
Wolves were worried about falcon based on him knowing the wolves well/his performance in previous games: Someone else would probably be a better judge over whether this is a possibility than me.
Another question is, if the falcon kill was unexpected than who would be the expected kill? Besides Mac getting Manti'd, I don't think anyone else has been suggested as a possibility, so a falcon kill at the end of the day might not be that much weirder than some of the other options
nowadays scum rarely distance from one another, they go and powerwolf and chop towns as a team, you have said thisMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:45 pmScotty/LC interacted a lot d1. Do you think it wasn't clearing?
incorrect assumption, one correct scum read>accuracyleetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:07 pm If falcon was really killed due to his reads, it would have to be because they were closer than anyone else's. It may be useful to see where falcon's reads differed from people who otherwise had similar reads. Still, I'd probably have to reread the game for that.
Not at all, really.robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:42 pmoh, this is scummy tbhLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:36 pmI don't know how else I would have "pushed the kill solve". I looked at his posts and noted the names. I felt pretty objective about it, especially since I don't know if that's the right way to go. I don't think I was "sussy" about it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:07 pm Felt like LC's somewhat hit the ground hard on day 2 pushing the Falcon kill solve in a sussy way.
The idea I should die n1 in all games is flawed. Especially after the day 1 I had.
I think we have 48 hours to do this, Mac. I don't think you're in the right frame of mind for Mafia right now. Let's circle back later.
Look man I just want to chill its Christmas. I have said what I want. If you think I am town maybe trust meMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:45 pmThis isn't me answering anything other than why your play has been demotivating. Because I think you are town and I think you are actually present and capable of being more towny/solvy it is making me feel like the game is needlessly hard and you're the main reason lol.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:28 pmIve tried to understand what you are trying to say here. Can you expand on what you mean in each point?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:31 pm Like I look at this and think, if I was a wolf and Rondo is town... this game is so easy. I literally only have to say Mac is town, passively object to any modicum of sus he casts against my team (or ignore it) and nod when he pushes a townie.
@robyn a little like how Porscha reacted to my vote on you.
mmmmMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:19 amIf Pyxxy is town yes.☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:39 amI think Rondo is a wolf do you not?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:32 am @RondoDimBuckle if you have your vote on me by EOD today and I die the responsibility of solving the game becomes squarely yours.
i don't think you were particularly obvious expect for those who know you well, you should be near obvious nowMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:32 am I'm confused how Leetic is so convinced I'm mafia if I'm obvious enough town for Abi and Tutuu to be townreading me still.
I think y'all should talk about it.
Same with you @Porscha and @robyn.
rondo has had a worldview and reads that have just not made any sense to me this entire game, furthermore they've been exactly opposite to mine and i expect rondo to have a worldview and reads that are fairly similar to my own
My condolences on your randrobyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:07 pmrondo has had a worldview and reads that have just not made any sense to me this entire game, furthermore they've been exactly opposite to mine and i expect rondo to have a worldview and reads that are fairly similar to my own
i think pyxxy's pr claim is either outing and self sacrifice on d2 or rondo is just scum, and i lean towards the latter because my view is that scum pyxxy would give some effort at all. or he would decide to fake reads and stances and all that jazz and phone in a worldview. but he just hasn't
i am pretty confident that leetic and mac are town, they're my top tr's, and they feel like the only people actually deciding to move the game forward
i was extremely busy and a drunkard but i'm here now
mac voting me was encouraging activity, it was not scummy, it was townyRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:11 pm Robyn+ porscha+ mac. Otherwise she would be pushing the people on her wagon. Not doing backflips to vote me
I feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours
i'm more so thinking that he's mafia and would like to entice you to vote himMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pmI feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours
Now why would I want that?robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:27 pmi'm more so thinking that he's mafia and would like to entice you to vote himMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pmI feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours
We go from thisMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:11 am@Porscha I'm telling you Rondo is town. Don't forget this on day 3 when I'm dead.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:20 pm I think I want to add Scotty to my kill tomorrow night
To thisMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pmI feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours
Why would Mac decree a falsely strong confident townread on someone he can't read well day 1, I wonder?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:32 pmWe go from thisMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:11 am@Porscha I'm telling you Rondo is town. Don't forget this on day 3 when I'm dead.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:20 pm I think I want to add Scotty to my kill tomorrow night
To thisMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pmI feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours
Interesting
This is the first time in the game you've not been gimmick posting as mafia. I don't see how chilling because it's Christmas and open claiming to be mafia and making yourself impossible to analyse are the same thing.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:57 pmLook man I just want to chill its Christmas. I have said what I want. If you think I am town maybe trust meMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:45 pmThis isn't me answering anything other than why your play has been demotivating. Because I think you are town and I think you are actually present and capable of being more towny/solvy it is making me feel like the game is needlessly hard and you're the main reason lol.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:28 pmIve tried to understand what you are trying to say here. Can you expand on what you mean in each point?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:31 pm Like I look at this and think, if I was a wolf and Rondo is town... this game is so easy. I literally only have to say Mac is town, passively object to any modicum of sus he casts against my team (or ignore it) and nod when he pushes a townie.
@robyn a little like how Porscha reacted to my vote on you.
Mac lock townreading town Rondo generally either gets me or you killed n1 unless you're mafia, more to the point.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:45 pm What's the point? If I'm wolf I am not killing you either way so it makes no sense to choose me.
