The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:37 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:35 pm I'm going to write more about this when I'm not as busy but I suggest we stop voting spewed town.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

can you please explain how proto is town?

He just isn't, I don't know what to tell you.

He doesn't care about dying, obsessively tries to set things up so his green flip implicates his strongest scumread, and seems to be genuinely offended that I'm rubbing my "scumtell" in his face by intentionally using the word pure in front of him. I could name more things but really I just think most of the stuff that he's said since we formed the wagon on him has spewed him town.

ok cool. i will trust you on this. dont let me down please.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:43 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:40 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:38 pm He genuinely believes what he's saying.

i dont think he does.

"alison would know i would scumread her if she says the word pure. so if she was town she wouldnt say it. she choose to say it, to "bait" me to scumread her, so she can "dunk" on me"

how does that make sense

mp7 you have to udnerstand i am inclined to not believe you getting in proto's head when you tried to start a wagon on me when i was consensus town and incredibly obvious (town)

It doesn't matter if it makes sense, it matters if he believes it.

I don't understand, then do you think I'm a wolf?

the second line: thats not what im saying. i said that my first gut reaction is to not sheep your read consider how u voted me when i was top town for many people

Oh, okay. That's a fallacy though? Like... just because I read you incorrectly at some point doesn't mean I'm incorrect about something else.

its not a fallacy because im not making a logical argument

i am explaining my gut reaction based off of experience

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:41 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:37 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:35 pm I'm going to write more about this when I'm not as busy but I suggest we stop voting spewed town.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

can you please explain how proto is town?

He just isn't, I don't know what to tell you.

He doesn't care about dying, obsessively tries to set things up so his green flip implicates his strongest scumread, and seems to be genuinely offended that I'm rubbing my "scumtell" in his face by intentionally using the word pure in front of him. I could name more things but really I just think most of the stuff that he's said since we formed the wagon on him has spewed him town.

LOL like.. this is a PG13 game isnt it?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:45 pm its not a fallacy because im not making a logical argument

i am explaining my gut reaction based off of experience

Sure, I appreciate that!

jfc proto

"to rub something at someone's face" is a common expression and theres nothing more to it

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:43 pm I need your thoughts, Alison. ALL THE THOUGHTS

I really am busy IRL and the EoD timing is not the best for me - that's why my posts are more curt and to the point now. I'm going to do my best to answer whatever you need while catching up.

Here's where I am with regards to POE atm. Tiers are unordered.

Town: Alison, cobbler, Michelle, protocultures, M Plus 7, tutuu, Lavender, jeraldo
Null: 1612, Scirrus
Mixed: Dizzy
Scum: Urist, nanook

Hey tutuu, what are your most updated town reads?

Also this flash wagoning has been fun and all but the chaos needs to come to an end if we want a proper EOD that will give us information from the wagon formations. Please consolidate on one or two wagons and force the mafia members to make choices instead of hiding in vanity wagons. My suggestion is Alison/Urist.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:48 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:43 pm I need your thoughts, Alison. ALL THE THOUGHTS

I really am busy IRL and the EoD timing is not the best for me - that's why my posts are more curt and to the point now. I'm going to do my best to answer whatever you need while catching up.

Here's where I am with regards to POE atm. Tiers are unordered.

Town: Alison, cobbler, Michelle, protocultures, M Plus 7, tutuu, Lavender, jeraldo
Null: 1612, Scirrus
Mixed: Dizzy
Scum: Urist, nanook

Thanks so much! It's okay, I understand IRL completely!

Kind-of here. Don't have tons of time. As I said before, 7 is literally the worst time for me.

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention] you quoted that thing where i said that scirrus's vote was wrong. I meant it was wrong like "this feels wrong". Obviously i don't think someone is scum for being wrong.

You mentioned something else too but i forget so it prob wasn't important

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:48 pm Hey tutuu, what are your most updated town reads?

same as last time i updated them

tutuu
alison
dizzy
michelle
cobbler
mp7
lavender

everyone else

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:49 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:48 pm Hey tutuu, what are your most updated town reads?

same as last time i updated them

tutuu
alison
dizzy
michelle
cobbler
mp7
lavender

everyone else

Got it, thanks!

I'm cool with 1v1ing alison

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:49 pm Kind-of here. Don't have tons of time. As I said before, 7 is literally the worst time for me.

@M Plus 7 you quoted that thing where i said that scirrus's vote was wrong. I meant it was wrong like "this feels wrong". Obviously i don't think someone is scum for being wrong.

You mentioned something else too but i forget so it prob wasn't important

It's okay, I appreciate the response! That makes sense.

What are your updated reads? Actually, let me ISO you.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:51 pm I'm cool with 1v1ing alison

Thunderdomes generally make me go bdvzfadhnfgdagfd but... umm. Are you sure?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:51 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:51 pm I'm cool with 1v1ing alison

Thunderdomes generally make me go bdvzfadhnfgdagfd but... umm. Are you sure?

I stand on the side of justice so yea

Wtf did I just read.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:09 pmThis feels rather transparent. Dizzy, what is your current read of Scirrus?

I want to go with my first read of town. A bit underwhelming, but he said he was busy and seemed sorry about it. Not today's yeet.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:15 pm Once upon a time, my main flaw as a town player was tunnelling too much. (And my main flaw as a scum player was bussing too much.) I hope that those flaws no longer exist.

Didn't you say something like this last game too?

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:22 pmI'm voting Alison but I already role revealed. Better not to split off me because it closes down POE for maf to find PRs. I'd look at Alison tomorrow not today. The votes aren't there. Well played dizzy well played.

Hello?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:36 pm I really need people to tell me why proto is a wolf right now. I'm in his head and there's no way this is a wolf.

I can never be in Proto's head I think. I should just stop altogether. I have no idea how Proto and Alison went from town reading each other hard this day to scum reading each other hard to Alison now flipping again. I follow none of that. I see your reasoning about Proto being hyper paranoid. Why is Alison town?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:36 pm No what why

Dizzy said Urist was town tho

Yeah, I don't love a Urist vote here tbh. I might suck, but I don't.

Only thing I can say for sure is that if Tutu is not town this game I will quit mafia holy shit

I did the multiquote thing again sorry

I'm happy with the wagon positions atm and am going to take a bit of time off to properly respond to stuff and catch up.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:53 pm Only thing I can say for sure is that if Tutu is not town this game I will quit mafia holy shit

dont worry im town and my reaction was also "wtf did i just read"

I'm not entirely sure that Alison is town actually, I need to look into that.

I'm a little nervous about not going with someone with less posts and Alison/Urist potentially being v/v even though I've been back and forth on each of them in my own head, but I'm not sure what else to do really.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:48 pmI really am busy IRL and the EoD timing is not the best for me - that's why my posts are more curt and to the point now. I'm going to do my best to answer whatever you need while catching up.

Here's where I am with regards to POE atm. Tiers are unordered.

Town: Alison, cobbler, Michelle, protocultures, M Plus 7, tutuu, Lavender, jeraldo
Null: 1612, Scirrus
Mixed: Dizzy
Scum: Urist, nanook

What since you hard town read me has changed in your read on me?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:49 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:48 pm Hey tutuu, what are your most updated town reads?

same as last time i updated them

tutuu
alison
dizzy
michelle
cobbler
mp7
lavender

everyone else

if im not town to you, leave the vote on me. what is even going on here.

I'm moving back to Alison. The way she backed off of Michelle gave me vibes from how she backed off of me last game. Like hard turns.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I'll be right back again, self-care needs to happen! I'll otherwise be here until EOD though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:55 pm I'm moving back to Alison. The way she backed off of Michelle gave me vibes from how she backed off of me last game. Like hard turns.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Actually, can you explain this more?

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:54 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:49 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:48 pm Hey tutuu, what are your most updated town reads?

same as last time i updated them

tutuu
alison
dizzy
michelle
cobbler
mp7
lavender

everyone else

if im not town to you, leave the vote on me. what is even going on here.

first of all WHATS UP WITH EVERYONE WANTING TO GET THEMSELVES LYNCHED THIS GAME WHAT IS THAT MINDSET GUYS

alison: "i dont care if im the lynch lolol xD. also i wanna be one of the top wagons with urist xD"
ursit: "yea fine i wanna be top wagon with alison xD"
proto: "quick guys EVERYONE VOTE ME NOW xD"

wtf is this

and second of all i unvoted u cuz i wanna respect alison's townread on u

[mention]1612[/mention] [mention]Scirrus[/mention] [mention]Lavender[/mention] [mention]jeraldooo[/mention] [mention]Michelle[/mention]

Don't know if you're here or not, but your lone votes aren't doing anything right now. Go wagon or go home, or convince us all of your direction.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:55 pm I'm moving back to Alison. The way she backed off of Michelle gave me vibes from how she backed off of me last game. Like hard turns.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Actually, can you explain this more?

When she scum read me last game she was like "you're scum!" rah rah. And then she pretended to investigate (well, she did investigate) and then she was just ok, no, you're town. It's fine. I don't know, just seems like an unnatural hard turn in retrospect. And the turn on Michelle was even harder. Does that make sense?

dizzy are u gonna be here for eod?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:00 pm dizzy are u gonna be here for eod?

Yes, but i SHOULD be working. I have a deadline. This is so rip. But I'm keeping an eye on the thread.

We could always lynch Nanook for fun. Right, Nanook?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:00 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:00 pm dizzy are u gonna be here for eod?

Yes, but i SHOULD be working. I have a deadline. This is so rip. But I'm keeping an eye on the thread.

ok cool. well i cant wait until then. i feel like ive been lowkey obnoxious / rude and spammy in the last few hours, i apologize for that. im just really, really, really invested in this game and i wanna win.

dizzy. i beg you. i literally beg you. PLEASE respect my townread on alison. PLEASE. just this once. if i let you down i will never ever in my life again insist that you trust me on anything. just this once. please.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:48 pmI really am busy IRL and the EoD timing is not the best for me - that's why my posts are more curt and to the point now. I'm going to do my best to answer whatever you need while catching up.

Here's where I am with regards to POE atm. Tiers are unordered.

Town: Alison, cobbler, Michelle, protocultures, M Plus 7, tutuu, Lavender, jeraldo
Null: 1612, Scirrus
Mixed: Dizzy
Scum: Urist, nanook

What since you hard town read me has changed in your read on me?

You voting me during the me vs Michelle thunderdome. There wasn't a good reason for it (in fact you specifically said you weren't giving a reason for it), and if Michelle is town, then scum have a lot to gain by flipping me, letting my legacy be an adamant "Michelle is bad", and then flipping her. Under those circumstances, scum would want to support the wagon on me, but not in a high commitment way (because they don't want to be too closely associated to a double misexe), which means that this line of reasoning implicates you, nanook and proto (who has since been cleared of wrongdoing), and to a lesser extent Urist (who was higher commitment about his push on me).

I really don't understand so much of what is going on though. I don't understand what is going on between Alison and Proto at all.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:59 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:55 pm I'm moving back to Alison. The way she backed off of Michelle gave me vibes from how she backed off of me last game. Like hard turns.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Actually, can you explain this more?

When she scum read me last game she was like "you're scum!" rah rah. And then she pretended to investigate (well, she did investigate) and then she was just ok, no, you're town. It's fine. I don't know, just seems like an unnatural hard turn in retrospect. And the turn on Michelle was even harder. Does that make sense?

I hard turned on Drew-Sta in Mafia Live! In Space, a game you were in. Drew-Sta turned out to be mafia, so not my best hard turn - but the point is that I am more than capable of abruptly reversing my read on someone as town. I've given my reasoning for why I flipped on Michelle, too.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:56 pm I'll be right back again, self-care needs to happen! I'll otherwise be here until EOD though.

Multitasking nourishment with mafia, yay!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:03 pm I really don't understand so much of what is going on though. I don't understand what is going on between Alison and Proto at all.

proto tunnelled me and in doing so spewed himself town. I townread him for it, and he's still tunnelled so he's still reading me as scum.

I agree, I think we all need to fight tooth and nail here. Make wolves have to sweat to get you yeeted!

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 pmok cool. well i cant wait until then. i feel like ive been lowkey obnoxious / rude and spammy in the last few hours, i apologize for that. im just really, really, really invested in this game and i wanna win.

dizzy. i beg you. i literally beg you. PLEASE respect my townread on alison. PLEASE. just this once. if i let you down i will never ever in my life again insist that you trust me on anything. just this once. please.

Ok. I trust you. I absolutely trust that you are town. Maybe I should just sheep cause I don't feel on top of this at all right now.

Look at how much effort so many of us have put into the game. We got this.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:05 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 pmok cool. well i cant wait until then. i feel like ive been lowkey obnoxious / rude and spammy in the last few hours, i apologize for that. im just really, really, really invested in this game and i wanna win.

dizzy. i beg you. i literally beg you. PLEASE respect my townread on alison. PLEASE. just this once. if i let you down i will never ever in my life again insist that you trust me on anything. just this once. please.

Ok. I trust you. I absolutely trust that you are town. Maybe I should just sheep cause I don't feel on top of this at all right now.

i genuinely appreciate it. thank you. i hope i dont let you down.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:59 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:55 pm I'm moving back to Alison. The way she backed off of Michelle gave me vibes from how she backed off of me last game. Like hard turns.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Actually, can you explain this more?

When she scum read me last game she was like "you're scum!" rah rah. And then she pretended to investigate (well, she did investigate) and then she was just ok, no, you're town. It's fine. I don't know, just seems like an unnatural hard turn in retrospect. And the turn on Michelle was even harder. Does that make sense?

What about it specifically reads unnaturally?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:01 pm We could always lynch Nanook for fun. Right, Nanook?

That would be fun!

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:00 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:00 pm dizzy are u gonna be here for eod?

Yes, but i SHOULD be working. I have a deadline. This is so rip. But I'm keeping an eye on the thread.

ok cool. well i cant wait until then. i feel like ive been lowkey obnoxious / rude and spammy in the last few hours, i apologize for that. im just really, really, really invested in this game and i wanna win.

dizzy. i beg you. i literally beg you. PLEASE respect my townread on alison. PLEASE. just this once. if i let you down i will never ever in my life again insist that you trust me on anything. just this once. please.

I don't think you have been! I already want to play more with you.

Investment is good. The game doesn't have to be solved on Day 1!

i dont understand the mindset at all of not fighting tooth and tail when u are getting pushed. maybe ppl just have different brains and i should respect it.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:00 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:00 pm dizzy are u gonna be here for eod?

Yes, but i SHOULD be working. I have a deadline. This is so rip. But I'm keeping an eye on the thread.

ok cool. well i cant wait until then. i feel like ive been lowkey obnoxious / rude and spammy in the last few hours, i apologize for that. im just really, really, really invested in this game and i wanna win.

dizzy. i beg you. i literally beg you. PLEASE respect my townread on alison. PLEASE. just this once. if i let you down i will never ever in my life again insist that you trust me on anything. just this once. please.

I don't think you have been! I already want to play more with you.

Investment is good. The game doesn't have to be solved on Day 1!

i like u too pat pat