Lost Again Mafia (season 1) - Day 6

#1051

So sorry I missed this!!

Golden always has the best themed games (west wing) that I never get to play.

#1052

nutella wrote:What I don't want is for me to be lynched and then get blamed if we lose, because I'm trying my hardest to defend myself and you guys are not giving me much of a chance. If there is something specific I haven't addressed please let me know. I'd love to stay alive for a win.

Here's the thing though, we have given you a chance, actually lots of chances considering Epi has been on you since day 1. I look at everyone and they seem at least somewhat engaged but you remain an enigma to me Nutella.

At this point though I still haven't re-read everyone's ISO. I intend to do so today. Nutella if I go back and find some questions that haven't been resolved yet I'll put them out for you.

#1053

Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Now see, I AM voting Bullzeye.

I think I played right into Matts bullshit on day one. When I read back on it, the way he kept grouping us together while he was accusing me of being personal etc., Matt kept saying "SVS & Bullz". In retrospect, had I not been so mama bear since I <3 Bullz, and know he has been shafted more than once by that sort of thing, I would have seen itfor what it was.

Bullzshit.

Voting Bullzeye
I'm sorry but this just doesn't make sense. Why does Matt grouping us together and trying to dig at you make me bad? Do you really think I'm the type of player to bury his entire team the way I have this game?

When I went back and read the first two days, your non reaction to Matt, and the way he went from "It's a joke" to "SVS & Bullz are bad" and more than half the time after he started doing the OMGUS on me, he lumped us together stood out to me more than anything. It was SMART of him to play it like he did. If he gets lynched, it makes you a Golden Ticket with me backing you up. If *I* am lynched (and he tried hard for that, and could have gotten it if Typh & Sorsha had not believed what I said) then you are still a Golden Ticket for the baddies. If YOU got lynched, then I would go next. It was some of the most beautiful distancing I have ever seen, and if anyone goes back and rereads day one, you can see Matt going from casual play distancing, to having a strategy. That is what I saw when I reread,and I cannot unsee it. You could actually see it crystallize. More than one person called him on it; was his suspish of you a joke or wasn't it?

I fell right for it hook line and sinker. Whether it was intentional of not (I would guess not, atleastinitially) once the potential was there Matt ran with it.

Nutella is an easy lynch, and Epi is easy to distrust. Neither of them is bad, imo, and even Wilgy has floundered a bit, but who has not? I am not bad, and I do not think they are bad. I find it unlikley that Bullz will be lynched today, but I will stake my anything, everything, on him being bad. Yesterday it was easy for me to turn on poor Zebra since I honestly don't think anyone else is bad, in my heart.

Matts early gameplay tells me you are bad, Bullz. Sorry, but it is what it is.

#1054

This whole thing is ridiculous. Matt was playing you. I can't explain why he did what he did but it's obvious he was trying to get into your head and now you've finally let him. I didn't ask or need you to 'back me up'. You chose to do that and you chose to make your own stand against Matt. It wasn't distancing, it was Matt making a joke and reacting badly when people called it strange. Literally nothing you've said makes sense. Why would I have thrown Scotty under the bus? Why would I keep pushing against Matt constantly? Matt was constantly connecting us because he knew people would think he was trying to distance after his eventual flip. It's so obvious. You really have fallen for it.

#1055

It actually makes sense why the no kill was tonight rather tomorrow if Bullz is bad. Why would a baddie not kill Bullzeye last night? He's a shining star of civviness according to a majority of the thread, plus it seems SVS is easier to sway than Bullzeye. I had some thoughts that the kill order would've been:
Bullzeye -> Wait -> Lylo for game if SVS was bad.
Bullzeye -> SVS -> Coin Flip for game if nutella or Epi are bad.
Wait -> SVS -> Lylo for game if Bullzeye was bad.

#1056

SVS what is the argument for your own civviness?

#1057

DrWilgy wrote:It actually makes sense why the no kill was tonight rather tomorrow if Bullz is bad. Why would a baddie not kill Bullzeye last night? He's a shining star of civviness according to a majority of the thread, plus it seems SVS is easier to sway than Bullzeye. I had some thoughts that the kill order would've been:
Bullzeye -> Wait -> Lylo for game if SVS was bad.
Bullzeye -> SVS -> Coin Flip for game if nutella or Epi are bad.
Wait -> SVS -> Lylo for game if Bullzeye was bad.

Why does it only make sense if I'm bad and not if anyone else was? If I was bad I'd have killed SVS last night and not killed anyone the following night. No way I'd want both SVS and Epi still alive at this point, and Epi seems more firmly on my side so I'd probably have allowed him to live until the very end alongside you or Nutella.

#1058

It's like I stated, according to the thread you have been the most civvie. If SVS was killed before you it wouldn't make sense. Especially when SVS is scolding herself currently for being swayed by others.

#1059

nutella wrote:If there is something specific I haven't addressed please let me know. I'd love to stay alive for a win.

This.

#1060

DrWilgy wrote:SVS what is the argument for your own civviness?

Falling like a nub right into a trap I should have seen? That is mega obvious in retrospect. I think my reaction to Matt & his shenanigans, and my reaction to Scotty. Especially Scotty. That was subtle enough on his part that pointing it out to people would not have been distancing, it would have been "malicious" and toxic chatroom if I were bad. The biggest thing to point to my civvieness is my blundering around like an idiot, lol.

Please guys, if you have time, reread Day One, ESPECIALLY Matt. I reread becasue I honestly did not think any of Epi, Nutella or even Wilgy was bad, even though I had thought so previously re Wilgy. And I had been trusting Bullz since Day 1, literally. So I thought rereading might give me some insights.

#1061

S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:SVS what is the argument for your own civviness?
Falling like a nub right into a trap I should have seen? That is mega obvious in retrospect. I think my reaction to Matt & his shenanigans, and my reaction to Scotty. Especially Scotty. That was subtle enough on his part that pointing it out to people would not have been distancing, it would have been "malicious" and toxic chatroom if I were bad. The biggest thing to point to my civvieness is my blundering around like an idiot, lol.

Please guys, if you have time, reread Day One, ESPECIALLY Matt. I reread becasue I honestly did not think any of Epi, Nutella or even Wilgy was bad, even though I had thought so previously re Wilgy. And I had been trusting Bullz since Day 1, literally. So I thought rereading might give me some insights.

This reads as though you'd already decided to view me as bad before you ever went back to day one, and explains a lot.

#1062

I'm going to bed now and won't be able to come back to this thread until Friday, if I'm even still alive then. I'd encourage you all not to lynch me as I'm not a baddie and you'd be playing right into their hands.

#1063

DrWilgy wrote:What's with the sudden urdge to step up your game Epi?

Don't worry, I'll get to you.

S~V~S wrote:How'd you know what I was thinking, Redneck Man?

It was the first thing to spring to mind. My conclusion is different than yours though. What do you think of my points in Bully Boy's favor? In my experience, he ain't the bussin' type, at least not that hard and not that early. And not everybody.

#1064

I just think it is all in Matts Day 1 and 2. I am gonna go outon a limb and guarantee you that I will gnash my teeth in dramatic disgust & vow to torture no more if Nutella or Wilgy turns up bad. None of them feel sinister to me, you don't feel sinister to me, like Scotty & Matt did. And Matt, as far as I am concerned, painted a target on Bullz forehead that first day. If I had not plopped myself into that little play distancing of his, this game would have run differently, I think. That whole thing almost guaranteed Bullz lasting until the end. It wasjust bad luck they lost Scotty, and Bullz HAD to nudge him under the bus to keep his status.

Your points in his favor are valid, but in this case I do not think they are correct

#1065

Something goin' through my mind...

Sun-Charlie-Kate?
Sun-Charlie-Sayid?
Sun-Charlie-Sawyer?
Sun-Charlie-Michael?
Sun-Charlie-Jin?

If you were The Golden Light, which of these five combinations would you use to construct your island inhabitants?

#1066

Sassafras.

S~V~S wrote:
Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I think it is known throughout the land that Bullz has the same chance mathematically of being bad or good each game as anyone else.

Real suspicion or jokey suspicion?
Is this a question or a suspicion?
It's a question, but also a bit of a "hrm".

Two different people had jokey suspicions of Bullz. And Bullz can be an easy lynch cause he gets defensive. So an early thrust towards Bullz, especially a jokey one like Matts, gets my eye.

Her first suspect is Matty Poo.

S~V~S wrote:
Matt wrote:I think Bullz knows I'm having fun with him, SVS, but yeah, don't trust that guy! He's dangerous.

Also Bullz, again, why shouldn't everyone vote for you Day one?
And if he gets lynched you say what? "hey it isn't my fault they voted for him I was just joking"

I don't think bernie would approve

Linki~ in LOST jin called the Others the Uzzers (or Udders), LOST joke

S~V~S wrote:I don't have enough of an opinion about Wilgy to vote for him, or to want to save him at this point, at least, by voting for faraday, although Typh made a good point about faradays seriously preemptive save move.

So gonna drop a starter vote on Matt for picking on Bullz.

The initial suspicion turned into a starter vote which turned into a finishing vote. There was also plenty of back and forth between them about her vote. I won't quote all of that. But this:

S~V~S wrote:Someone I want to trust is consistently deflecting any suspicion of Matt, and Matt is accusing me of being personal and saying I am bad becasue i suspect him. Awesome. I need to think about this. Becasue a consistent low level bolstering of Matt is coming from the same direction, and it concerns me.

Epi,I trust you. What do you think of Matt.

Linki, lol. I am buying what you are putting out. We haven't always gotten along on the beach, but we are on the same side.

And my response.

What I ultimately did is give S~V~S a perfect opportunity to back out of her Matt suspicion gracefully if she was so inclined. She didn't.

S~V~S wrote:So lynch me to cut old tuft head some slack becasue you felt sorry for him in another game. When I got accused of going personal, I lost a lot of interest to be honest. And I caught what you were putting out right away; sorry you did not do the same.

S~V~S wrote:And there is a differnece between ruining someones game over a joke and ruining it over a suspicion, regardless how mild.

S~V~S wrote:So it comes down to who feels sorrier for whom? OK. Vote for me.

I am exceedingly susceptible to guilt, and Matt does a good enough job of making me feel guilty for suspecting him without this.

Now, I still maintain that S~V~S somewhat misunderstood my point about Matt at the time, but the takeaway here is the reaction. She second guessed herself, and ultimately voted Floyd Day 2.

Pause.

S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:wow I should have my coffee before posting, lol.

"shorter acquaintance"

And I also wanted to add that I will not be voting for Zeebs. Based on a few things she said, and a general demeanor, I don't really think she is bad.
Point out these things please SVS.
I don't like to do that, point out reasons why I think someone is a civ. It is one of the many, many reasons I HATE rainbow lists or any list that involves drawing targets on civvies. Although in a game like this with one set of baddies, they already know who the civvies are so meh. Force of habit, I guess. I prefer to not play games with only one set of baddies if possible, and don't plan on playing many heists, but I could not resist LOST.

But I think she has been hinting at something. I could be wrong, but that is what I think. Plus her demeanor is a bit more subdued than I expect from her, which would work with what I think she has been putting out.

And Typh, becasue I was not sure what I think about your general line on Matt. And I wanted to think about it before I came right out with it; and I still need to think about it, maybe until we get the results of this lynch. Since Scotty came straight out and asked, I clarified, but I like to know what I think of certain people, if that makes sense. In this game, Epi is one, you are another. I know what I think of Epi. I am not sure what I think of you.

S~V~S wrote:
Typhoony wrote:Scotty could you elaborate on the things that can go wrong if we all claim?

You seem to be against it the most.
Are we all claiming? I kind of already did leave a gross big hint, more than one actually.

This is why I probably will not play more of these ha ha.

I really do not want to see Zeebs lynched. I should have some time this after noon to catch back up, Saturdays are already a bitch for me, plus the post a thon I am cohosting.
So Typh, you really actually think I would kill you Night 1? That surprises me, fun> win in my books, and a challenging game is more fun. But OK.

Fast-forward.

S~V~S wrote:In other games like this it often is the Godfather iirc, can't die until his other teammates do. But anything is possible.

I have not played many of these on other forums. But I have never heard of baddies being given fake roles to claim, but what do i know?

S~V~S wrote:I am shocked about that fake identity thing.

Pause.

If S~V~S was bad, the large comments above make no sense, so it makes her shock at that revelation genuine in my book.

Play.

S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:So what'll it be, S~V~S?
I do trust Epis gut in general, and think he is civ this game. So I will trust him here, and go with Floyd. I don't want to see you lynched, and honestly don't know what to think about Matt.

I instilled enough doubt regarding Matt that S~V~S was willing to vote Floyd instead Day 2. There was little reason to vote Matt, as it was breaking the tie between The Striped Crusader and Jumbotron.

S~V~S wrote:Also gonna vote Scotty for now for trying to make a something out of a nothing, repeatedly. And trying to imply things are something they are not.

S~V~S didn't interact much with Scotty, but she voted for him.

All of this is enough for me to conclude that Sassafras is all right.

#1067

I am all right. Scotty freaked me out becasue he tried to push the issue on my interactions with Typh more than once, and the thing about whether or not I would kill him night one. I don't read him well, but that got my eye.

Iknow this is coming out of left field, I just ask that you reread day one and Matt particularly,maybe through Day 2.

I went in there with a totally open mind, and I was embarassed by how predictably I behaved.

#1068

Nutty Bar.

Thirty-two posts. She votes for Floyd for no reason.

nutella wrote:Whoops, sorry, I kinda forgot about this game today.
RIP DF. I've caught up but I don't really get all the hullabaloo between him and Matt and as usual I'm really not taking anything away from Day 1 nonsense. There's really no way to glean much of anything from that, and if anything I'd lean towards thinking the people getting more involved in the discussion are not the baddies.

Epignosis wrote:I'm votin for my spottieottiedopaliscious nutella. Damn damn damn damn.
????? What even

Yeah, sorry I've been under the radar so far, but I didn't really have any thoughts yesterday since it was just getting started and I didn't remember to catch up until after the lynch. (I'll be gone all day tomorrow too but it'll be night so hopefully I won't miss as much discussion) otherwise I'll try to pay more attention and start to form some thoughts on day 2. Honestly even though my vote for Floyd was pretty pseudo-random I wouldn't mind pursuing him a bit since he also seems to have remained pretty under-the-radar.

She called the "hullabaloo" about Matt nonsense. She ironically would pursue a Jumbotron lynch because he ain't much for talkin.

When the doc (the real one) called her out...

nutella wrote:Huh, nobody died. I can dig it.

Sorsha wrote:
nutella wrote:Whoops, sorry, I kinda forgot about this game today.
RIP DF. I've caught up but I don't really get all the hullabaloo between him and Matt and as usual I'm really not taking anything away from Day 1 nonsense. There's really no way to glean much of anything from that, and if anything I'd lean towards thinking the people getting more involved in the discussion are not the baddies.

Epignosis wrote:I'm votin for my spottieottiedopaliscious nutella. Damn damn damn damn.
????? What even

Yeah, sorry I've been under the radar so far, but I didn't really have any thoughts yesterday since it was just getting started and I didn't remember to catch up until after the lynch. (I'll be gone all day tomorrow too but it'll be night so hopefully I won't miss as much discussion) otherwise I'll try to pay more attention and start to form some thoughts on day 2. Honestly even though my vote for Floyd was pretty pseudo-random I wouldn't mind pursuing him a bit since he also seems to have remained pretty under-the-radar.
Ok... So the people participating in the discussion are not the baddies but you are not participating in the discussion.

And you vote for Floyd for being under the radar but he's really been more present than you have been...
Yeah I do recognize I was somewhat hypocritical in saying that, but then again I wasn't because it doesn't contradict at all. I know that I'm sort of in the background, I just think that the baddies are also in the background. I just don't feel that the players who were most vocal on day 1 are likely to be bad. On that note, can someone explain what the whole deal with Matt is and why Bullz is so sure he's bad?

Btw, Floyd only has 2 more posts than I do. Maybe he's contributed a little more content than I have, but I sure haven't noticed.

...she rationalizes her hypocrisy...somehow? Her thinking was that them Uzzers were hanging out in the background. She'd already named Floyd...so who else was there?

Zebra - Talker
Long Con - Talker
DrWilgy - Talker
Sorsha - Talker
Floyd - Quiet
Nutella - Quiet
DFaraday - Usually quiet but was up for a lynch (and Nutty Bar didn't vote him)
Scotty - Talker
Bullzeye - Talker
Typhoony - Talker
Matt - Talker
S~V~S - Talker
Epignosis - Talker

So this rationale is empty. There were no quiet people except Nutty Bar and Floyd.

nutella wrote:
Scotty wrote:
nutella wrote: Yeah I do recognize I was somewhat hypocritical in saying that, but then again I wasn't because it doesn't contradict at all. I know that I'm sort of in the background, I just think that the baddies are also in the background.
That's like wearing a purple unitard while giving your testimony as a witness to a detective about your murdered mother-in-law, and exclaiming that you saw a person in a purple unitard running away from the scene of the crime. I do actually think that's a little contradictory. But to each her own

Maybe I should draw a venn diagram or something. I'm really just saying that the baddies are a subset of people who are under the radar and I'm one of the non-baddies who happens to also be under the radar. I think it's a fairly simple thought process.

Scotty poked her, but stopped short of calling her suspicious at that point.

nutella wrote:
Scotty wrote:I wonder what nutella thinks about all this game stuff.
I too am interested in whether Zebra has info. I might decide to vote for Matt with that hope, but I'm kinda skeptical about him. I still have an odd hunch about Floyd, and tentatively also Long Con, but idk how to explain it. I guess I'm tired of overanalyzing and manufacturing suspicions and would rather listen to my gut unless something more convincing comes up.

linki @ zebra hmm okay

Another poke.

nutella wrote:I'm voting for Zebra. I believe Matt's claim and I'd very much prefer that he not die and besides I find myself not trusting a word from Zebra lately.

I am fine with role claiming if you guys make up your mind about it. Tbh I sorta hinted at my role way at the beginning

In this post, she defends Matt, suspects Zebra, and talks about hinting her role from the beginning (even though she criticized me for doing the same thing).

nutella wrote:Yeah, it does make sense to me now that Floyd probably checked Matt. And this may be really unkosher to say (idk punish me if it's breaking the rule) but part of why I think so is based on what Golden said.

But, my major hesitation is that I really believed Matt's claim, and given I know Jin is in this game I'd be surprised if Sun wasn't. If that's true and the baddies indeed have fake roles to claim, then kudos Golden for seriously messing with my brain. But based on how the role claiming fest went down, I still hella don't trust Zebra.

Conclusion: I'm not sure whether I want to change my vote or not. Probably Matt will be lynched anyway, but I'd feel bad if he's my dear wife. And seriously, what is going on with zebra, has everyone else picked up on something that I haven't? And wtf is wrong with that rainbow list? Is that a self-outing?

She defends Matt after it's clear that Matt got checked. I actually think this is a point in her favor, since there would be no payout for doing that.

nutella wrote:So the fake role claim thing is confirmed. Well that's pretty fucked up. But great that we're one baddie down!

I bet the other two are Wilgy and Zebra. And if by some crazy chance that's not the case, I'd entertain that crazy theory about Sorsha and Typh.

nutella wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:It's Epi and Wilgy folks.
Or this actually.

I think these posts just show that nutella isn't paying very good attention.

nutella wrote:Scotty, idk what kind of case that was, you basically summarized some things I said without any analysis. Nice try. Like I said, my "flip" on Zebra was not sudden but gradual as I found myself trusting her opinions more (Typh's contributions helped bc I trusted him). As for Floyd, my reaction to his lynch was exactly how I said -- I was surprised that all those votes appeared on him and I was unclear on the motivation for it, and it had nothing to do with my earlier gut suspicion of him.

Looks like Wilgy is digging his hole deeper. I think either Scotty or Epi could be his teammate. Part of me wants to think Scotty is genuine, so I want to hear more from Epi for sure.

Nutty Bar comes out and describes Scooter's case against her as a mere summary. I myself thought it was a good one at the time.

The takeaway here is that nutella thought Scotty was genuine and that she wanted to hear more from me (I don't know why...she hasn't said anything about my counterpoints).

nutella wrote:Wow I missed a lot of interesting content today o.O As I was reading through everyone's posts from earlier I became less convinced Wilgy was bad and more convinced Scotty was, but alas I was too late to change my vote. Glad to see another baddie got lynched. And lol you guys are going to pick me apart and roast me for saying that I so conveniently but unhelpfully changed my mind yet again, but it's just the truth I really just flip-flop on my opinions a lot and it always looks suspicious but it's always just me being honest with my indecisive thought process. This has been a problem for me in so many games and is always what gets me in trouble as a civ. This game I've been using a combination of gut feelings and process of elimination, along with recently trusting the opinions of Typh and Zebra since they seem so confident, and through all this I felt I had narrowed down the baddies to 2 of Scotty, Epi, or Wilgy. Now that scotty is down I am more inclined for now to pursue Epi. I know my voting record is absolute shit but I just keep rethinking things every day. :\

Some things haven't changed.

Finally, nutella's big post against me is nonsensical on so many levels. I've already responded to it, but she won't address it. I don't know what that means.

Nutty Bar just looks bad, a few points notwithstanding. If she's good, she hasn't been of any use at all (no offense Nutty Bar).

#1069

She always looks bad. She will say this too. I just don't think that she is.

But if you insist, lynch her today, and Bullz tomorrow, becasue I think there will be a tomorrow.

#1070

S~V~S wrote:She always looks bad. She will say this too. I just don't think that she is.

But if you insist, lynch her today, and Bullz tomorrow, becasue I think there will be a tomorrow.

Hold ya horses, now Sassafras. I ain't through. Got Mr. Wiggles left.

But how do you catch a bad nutella if she's always lookin' bad?

#1071

Itis hard to explain, she is just "slicker" when shes bad. When shes civ she has this plaintive air, she has it here. When shes bad, she is a bit more self serving. I tend to lynch her as bad when she's not MUCH MUCH more than I let her go as civ when she's not. I don't remember off hand ever thinking she was civ when she was not.

#1072

So, just to be clear, you're asking me to believe that

1) Bully Boy bussed his entire team from the getgo, and
2) Kate ain't on the island?

Then who did I...?

#1073

I can't prove it, but yes, that is what I believe.

#1074

S~V~S wrote:I can't prove it, but yes, that is what I believe.

When I'm done with Mr. Wiggles (yes Mr., because he ain't no doctor), I'll read Day 1 again and see if I can work my pee brain around your thinkin'.

#1075

When I look at everyone else, it is the only thing that makes sense.

I just KNOW, in my gut, that you, Nutella & Wilgy are not bad. That leaves me or Bullz, and it isn't me.

#1076

S~V~S wrote:When I look at everyone else, it is the only thing that makes sense.

I just KNOW, in my gut, that you, Nutella & Wilgy are not bad. That leaves me or Bullz, and it isn't me.

What in your gut says Mr. Wiggles ain't bad?

#1077

I just think he is being sincere. He is trying. And it isn't easy in this thread. EVERYONE is sincere. Cause we're all civs,except the one person who got handed a free pass day one.

The way I figured it, today Bullz lynches a civvie, probably Nutella. Then YOU get NKed (maybe me, but I think more likely you). I have already been suspish of Wilgy, so Wilgy would be next, boom, baddies win.

#1078

I am gonna wake up in the AM to an outraged Bullz,and he is right to be outraged, I guess.

But the way Matt did it,from it being about a joke about Bullz, to it being a real thing,and the way he lumped us together, and the way Bullzlet him ... I don't buy it.

Caught in a trap
I can't get out
Suspicious minds etc.

But I really would be surprised if Wilgy, Nutella or you were bad. Thats kind of why I fell on Zeebs yesterday.

Process of elimination. I may be an Iraqi torturer, but i was still on the plane

I think Epi, Wilgy & Nutella were on the plane.

#1079

S~V~S wrote:I am gonna wake up in the AM to an outraged Bullz,and he is right to be outraged, I guess.

But the way Matt did it,from it being about a joke about Bullz, to it being a real thing,and the way he lumped us together, and the way Bullzlet him ... I don't buy it.

Caught in a trap
I can't get out
Suspicious minds etc.

But I really would be surprised if Wilgy, Nutella or you were bad. Thats kind of why I fell on Zeebs yesterday.

Process of elimination. I may be an Iraqi torturer, but i was still on the plane I think Epi, Wilgy & Nutella were on the plane.

I'll give it a look. Promise. It would seem I have to vote him or nutella today anyway, the way the votes are.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1080

Epignosis wrote: ...she rationalizes her hypocrisy...somehow? Her thinking was that them Uzzers were hanging out in the background. She'd already named Floyd...so who else was there?

Zebra - Talker
Long Con - Talker
DrWilgy - Talker
Sorsha - Talker
Floyd - Quiet
Nutella - Quiet
DFaraday - Usually quiet but was up for a lynch (and Nutty Bar didn't vote him)
Scotty - Talker
Bullzeye - Talker
Typhoony - Talker
Matt - Talker
S~V~S - Talker
Epignosis - Talker

So this rationale is empty. There were no quiet people except Nutty Bar and Floyd.

Wilgy was quiet at the beginning. Also, just because someone posts a fair amount doesn't mean they're not blending in. I think Sorsha at least was also fading into the background at that point, at least in my opinion.

I don't have a ton of time but I'll try to look at the other stuff you wanted me to respond to but a lot of it is vague/not really questions directed at me. Again, most of the reasons have to do with my wishy-washyness and my voting record, and I've said many times that I've just genuinely been playing really shittily this game. I am trying to defend myself though. SVS is right, this always happens to me. So you know what, It will not be my fault if you decide to lynch me

I'm finding SVS really trustworthy and I am tempted to believe her about Bullzeye -- I was hesitant to suspect him at first because of his early thing with Matt, but that could easily have been staged. I mean I'll probably end up voting for Bullz anyway because it seems to be between us, but I'm really starting to believe SVS.

#1081

nutella wrote:I am trying to defend myself though. SVS is right, this always happens to me. So you know what, It will not be my fault if you decide to lynch me

It absolutely will be your fault. Get your head in the game.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1082

I'm seriously very busy IRL. Sorry but I just cannot put much time into this each day and I am trying to respond to questions that are asked of me.

I guess you brought up the fact that I also role hinted early -- yeah, I did. I kind of talked about this already though -- it wasn't even really an intentional hint, and it's no different from how I might slip in a hint in a regular game. I had no idea how pivotal role claiming would end up being in this game. Yours however was so goddamn overt, you quickly got so devoted to calling people nicknames. There is a difference in how confidently you assumed your role.

And I think Sawyer is a very likely candidate for the third impostor. Like Sun and Charlie, he's a pretty major character but not as major as, say, Jack and Locke. Sayid is probably at a similar level but I trust SVS. I'd be kinda surprised if it's Kate but not hugely. I highly doubt it is Michael.

#1083

nutella wrote:I'm seriously very busy IRL. Sorry but I just cannot put much time into this each day and I am trying to respond to questions that are asked of me.

I guess you brought up the fact that I also role hinted early -- yeah, I did. I kind of talked about this already though -- it wasn't even really an intentional hint, and it's no different from how I might slip in a hint in a regular game. I had no idea how pivotal role claiming would end up being in this game. Yours however was so goddamn overt, you quickly got so devoted to calling people nicknames. There is a difference in how confidently you assumed your role.

And I think Sawyer is a very likely candidate for the third impostor. Like Sun and Charlie, he's a pretty major character but not as major as, say, Jack and Locke. Sayid is probably at a similar level but I trust SVS. I'd be kinda surprised if it's Kate but not hugely. I highly doubt it is Michael.

Thank you for this. Your vote is still sitting in a stupid place.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1084

Okay. I'll move it to bullz then.

#1085

Mr. Wiggler.

Scotty wrote:Also, I'm not voting for Wilgy today because of what happened last time.
Day 2 is fair game tho

DrWilgy wrote:Eyo everyone.

Lol, not wanting to murk me already Scotty? give me at least a chance to act good before I get my cookie.

This is the first interaction between him and Scooter.

DrWilgy wrote:
Scotty wrote:I just caught on to the fact that there is no Day 0. Apparently we start fast round these parts.

DrWilgy wrote:Eyo everyone.

Lol, not wanting to murk me already Scotty? give me at least a chance to act good before I get my cookie.
Is this you acting good?
Also, why do you have to act?

My pattern this game will be get along with someone I like --> solve the game. EZPZ bb!
I'll be your marmot this game!
I don't wanna get lynched DUH!?!

Ok then! who are we voting for?

"Who are we voting for?"

DrWilgy wrote:Scotty you're gonna wreck me here. We should vote somewhere else.

DrWilgy wrote:@Scotty eh... Probably Zebra, I've noticed that baddies have a tendency to target me day one for Meta reasons simply because it's hard to punish. I change my game all the time so "let's slap a suspish sticker on it" seems to be the opportunism that is generated.

And Dfaraday's I'm self preserving early is also suspish. I don't see anyone doing that so early without a team commitment.

Lots of early interactions with Scotty, but none with Matt.

DrWilgy wrote:@Scotty, yeh

This was in response to Scotty asking him "Are you still suspicious of Zebra?" and it occurred in the same post where Scotty was telling Matt he was crawling around like a worm and that the mafia wouldn't night kill him.

DrWilgy wrote:@Scotty eh... Probably Zebra, I've noticed that baddies have a tendency to target me day one for Meta reasons simply because it's hard to punish. I change my game all the time so "let's slap a suspish sticker on it" seems to be the opportunism that is generated.

And Dfaraday's I'm self preserving early is also suspish. I don't see anyone doing that so early without a team commitment.

This is the only mention of Danny Boy, who got Wiggler's Day 1 vote right after Scotty planted one there, even though Zebra was Wilgy's top suspect.

DrWilgy wrote:Not really much more for me to say here. I don't see Matt doing what he's doing as scum, too flashy, not worth the risk... Especially when he can win by y'know doing nothing (see pet sounds).

Zebra is completely opposite of when I called her out last time... (see pet sounds) where she practically gave up upon stupid accusation. This time she challenges me in response...

Why the exception for my buddying Scotty?

This mentions BOTH Matt and Scotty in the same post. He outright defends Matt, accuses Zebra, and asks a question about Scotty.

Scotty wrote:-As for the Wilgy thing, I see nothing suspicious as of now with how he has acted/voted. (But I swear to god I will kill him in his sleep if he backstabs me) He said he was voting with me, so what's the big deal?

Knowing Scotty's allegiance, this comment stands out to me.

DrWilgy wrote:Voted fer Matt.

Matt, who is definitely not on your team other than Zebra?

Matt, what do you think of my friend Scotty?

Scotty, what do you think of SVS?

Again, Wilgy interacts with both Matt and Scotty in the same post, calling Scotty his friend.

Before Matt outs himself, Wilgy says:

DrWilgy wrote:Anyone care to talk about how if Matt flips civ, Zebra is Scum?

After Matt's death, Wilgy goes to speculating about who the other two are:

DrWilgy wrote:I haven't payed too much attention, but I think either Zebra or Scotty are.

DrWilgy wrote:Actually... It's Scotty and Nutella. Just looked at Matt's ISO.

There's a post where he calls me civ, while not mentioning Scotty. I think at that point I was still purposely parroting Scotty though, so it doesn't make sense.

His only mentioning of both Epi and Nutella was done jokingly, so one of those two. Nutella's vote last round is the one off key though.

Linki - Will someone explain why I'm suspect instead of just throwing my name?

Linki linki - A jab at Zebra, nothing more.

Wilgy names Scotty in both pairings, but follows up with this:

DrWilgy wrote:I'm not breaking my word, so I won't vote Scotty.

Typh, lets make a 3 way tie.

DrWilgy wrote:Didn't have time to do so earlier, just looked at the votes and posted. I suppose I'll do that now.

I don't think we should make a tie, but the only way to save either Scotty or I at this point would be for us to put three on Epi, meaning Scotty would have to move his vote.

DrWilgy wrote:Someone ISO Nutella. Odd that she thought I was scum with Zebra at one point. Also odd that she was the one vote on Floyd day 1. Also odd that she, Matt, scotty and I all voted Zebra day 2. Also odd that she remained on Zebra yestderday. Even oddest... Her constant shift from voting Zebra 2 days in a row, one of which the cop basically stated "hey Matts bad" and is now agreeing with her.

G2g again peeps *snaps and points while backing out of the room*

Someone should look at nutella...even though Scotty had just done that.

DrWilgy wrote:
Typhoony wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: <with regards to Scotty>
I thought I had stated I wouldn't betray you? I don't intend to.
Where the hell did you say this, except for earlier today?
I'm not sire at this point... I keep thinking I stated that, but then I look over my posts and I dont see it. It's causing emotional conflict. dying... Send help...

a2thezebra wrote:You probably said that you wouldn't betray him in BTSC.

DrWilgy wrote:But I dont have btsc to say that in.

That would also imply that we both have btsc... Making him bad. Vote for scotty today and me tomorrow. It's a Wilgy promise that I'm civ.

Wilgy can't find where he said he would never vote Scotty.

After spamming the thread with symbols, Wilgy makes some (joke?) posts suspecting Ty Fighter. Predictably, Typh dies.

After that, Wilgy guns hard for Zebra.

DrWilgy wrote:Thinking on it, it was pretty obvious,
Floyd comes in -> drops a vote on a baddie saying "Dude bros just trust me he's bad" ?

If Matt was on my team that would've stood out like a swollen hamster in a field of lasagna.

Indeed.

Matt wrote:Matt

Long Con, MY DUDE, just know I did request that we leave you alone Night 1 for precisely the reason I stated earlier, i.e. "why I wouldn't kill Long Con".

Floyd, no hard feeling my bro. I know your relatively new so I'm not sure you knew what you were doing with that last post. The reason I'm not freaking out at you right now is because I've also accidentally said too much before, though never after I was dead. Oh, and also because your role reveal almost guaranteed my lynch today anyway.

I won't be posting any further but I did have a blast peeps. Oh, and Wilgy requested I tell you all he's my teamie because wifom.

After Matt outed himself, he told us WIlgy was his teammate.

DrWilgy wrote:Hmmm... That is what I would have a mafia temmie do... Well played Matt, well played.

++++

Something else that stands out is the voting evidence:

Day one

Zebra 0
Long Con 0
DrWilgy 0
Sorsha 0
Floyd 1 nutella (3) 6%
Nutella 1 Epignosis (10) 6%
DFaraday 6 Scotty (4), DrWilgy (7), Typhoony (13), Matt (14), a2thezebra (15), Long Con (18) 33%
Scotty 0
Bullzeye 0
Typhoony 0
Matt 5 S~V~S (8), Sorsha (9), TheFloyd73 (11), Bullzeye (12), DFaraday (17) 28%
S~V~S 0
Epignosis 0
Anyone from New Zealand (host) 5 Golden (1), Tranq (2), Metalmarsh89 (5), Turnip Head (6), MovingPictures07 (16) 28%

++++

Day 2

Zebra 4 DrWilgy (2), Scotty (6), Matt (10), nutella (11)
Long Con 0
DrWilgy 0
Sorsha 0
Floyd 5 Epignosis (12), a2thezebra (13), Typhoony (14), Long Con (15), S~V~S (16)
Nutella 0
Scotty 0
Bullzeye 0
Typhoony 0
Matt 2 TheFloyd73 (3), Bullzeye (4)
S~V~S 1 Sorsha (9)
Epignosis 0
Golden (host/np) 5 Golden (1), MovingPictures07 (5), Metalmarsh89 (7), Turnip Head (8), G-Man (17)

++++

Day 3

Zebra 1 nutella (5)
DrWilgy 0
Sorsha 0
Nutella 0
Scotty 0
Bullzeye 0
Typhoony 0
Matt 8 Epignosis (4), Sorsha (7), Bullzeye (8), Scotty (9), S~V~S (10), DrWilgy (11), Typhoony (12), Matt (14)
S~V~S 0
Epignosis 1 a2thezebra (3)
Golden (host/np) 4 Golden (1), MovingPictures07 (2), TheFloyd73 (6), Enrique (13)

++++

Who murdered Sorsha?

Poll ended at Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:40 am

Zebra
1
Epignosis (14) 7%
DrWilgy
3
nutella (3), a2thezebra (6), Scotty (9) 21%
Nutella
0
No votes
Scotty
4
Typhoony (2), S~V~S (4), Bullzeye (8), DrWilgy (12) 29%
Bullzeye
0
No votes
Typhoony
0
No votes
S~V~S
0
No votes
Epignosis
0
No votes
Golden (host/nons)
6
Golden (1), MovingPictures07 (5), TheFloyd73 (7), Turnip Head (10), Sorsha (11), Matt (13) 43%
Total votes : 14

++++

Who killed typh?

Poll ended at Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:46 am

Bullz
0
No votes
Drwilgy
1
a2thezebra (7) 8%
Epi
1
nutella (6) 8%
Nutella
1
Epignosis (12) 8%
Svs
0
No votes
Zebra
3
DrWilgy (8), Bullzeye (9), S~V~S (10) 25%
Golden (host)
6
Golden (1), Typhoony (2), Sorsha (3), Metalmarsh89 (4), TheFloyd73 (5), Turnip Head (11) 50%
Total votes : 12

++++

Points to consider:

-Day 1, Wilgy votes alongside Scotty, setting up DF for the lynch in which Matt was a close second.
-Wilgy suspected Zebra but didn't push for that lynch option at all Day 1.
-Day 2, Wilgy votes Zebra and Scotty joins in (as does Matt)
-If S~V~S is good, then the Floyd wagon was all civilians
-Finally votes Matt Day 3 and makes comments about teammates
-Matt outs himself and singles out Wilgy as a teammate.
-The day Scotty was lynched, Wilgy had his vote on me for much of the phase, and along with Scotty, was trying to get something going on nutella.
-Matt, Scotty, and Wilgy all voted together the first three phases.

Sun-Charlie-Michael?

It's looking like it.

#1086

While my history is murky Epi, are there any inconsistencies that you can point out or have questions about?

#1087

DrWilgy wrote:While my history is murky Epi, are there any inconsistencies that you can point out or have questions about?

I wasn't looking for inconsistencies necessarily. My purpose in my little exercise was to look at the interactions among Tuft-Head, Scooter, and the remaining people. Of everybody, your interactions look the worst.

#1088

nutella wrote:And what exactly are your reasons for voting me? Sure I haven't looked perfect this game, but I'm a civ. I guess my behavior's been suspicious enough to make me an easy target for the baddies to deflect onto.

Does anyone else read this as a "NO U"?

Linki - okie dokie

#1089

DrWilgy wrote:
nutella wrote:And what exactly are your reasons for voting me? Sure I haven't looked perfect this game, but I'm a civ. I guess my behavior's been suspicious enough to make me an easy target for the baddies to deflect onto.
Does anyone else read this as a "NO U"?

Linki - okie dokie

Wilgy, I don't think she is bad.

Just like I don't think YOU are bad, for the same, or very similar, reasons.

The 4 of us are fighting back and discussing, I think Bullz has given up. I came in here this AM expecting to have my ass handed to me, and he didn't even bother to post. If Epi votes for you, I hope you will consider moving your vote to Bullz. Becasue if there is a tie, and she is lynched rather than Bullz, I am really pretty certain Nutella will flip civ. If I am wrong, you all feel free to lynch me tomorrow, I will cast the first vote. But I don't think I am wrong.

Winning dead or alive is awesome, but winning alive is more awesome

#1090

I just looked at Scotty again... If Bullzeye is bad, he's king busserino... If Nutella is bad, I will honestly be angry if I lose to her just going under the radar all game.

Scotty's mentions of Bullzeye feel forced and not genuine, nothing like his mentions of nutella... It makes me think you are right SVS.

I'm going to look over Bullzeye now.

#1091

Voted Bullzeye

#1092

This game might have cured me of Mama Bear, tbh. I just immediately went into MB mode Day One, and when I went back and looked at it with an open mind, it all looked very differently to me.

If I am wrong I will be amazed.

#1093

S~V~S wrote:If I am wrong I will be amazed.

Same here if you're right.

#1094

I just don't think Nutella or Wilgy are bad. I think they are easy lynches in a situation like this, since she tends to be blendy, not unlike Faraday, or say un-well thought out things when she is civ, not unlike myself. Wilgy is quirky and very much does it his way. So they are easy to misconstrue. But I am not getting a sinister feel from either of them. Not like I did from Matt or Scotty, and when I reread the first few days, and then reread Matt again specifically, it became very obvious to me.

He was setting up a fake "joke" suspicion ploy either he or Bullz could have used at a later time to distance if needed. And I fell into it like a great blundering ox. Thereby magnifying the effect. It also accounted for Bullz reaction to him, which was rather un Bullz like to my mind. I thought maybe that i was seeing civ Bullz, since I expected a more acidic reaction from him over what Matt was doing. In retrospect, I misattributed that, I think.

Like I said, I might be wrong, but I honestly think neither Wilgy, not Nutella nor you are bad

I know I am not, that means Bullz is. And a reread of Matt pretty much cemented it for me.

#1095

SVS out of us three who you think are genuine, who do you think is the best at being a fakie faker?

#1096

Nutella, were you voting bullz to save yourself or because you agreed that he is bad?

#1097

Good game?

#1098

Bullzeye has been lynched. He was:

Spoiler: show

#1099

Great game town. Specially dat troublesome SVS!

For Bullz and Scotty, oh I am so so sorry, my friends...

#1100

This is OUR island now!

Who wasn't on the plane?