The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:39 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Not exactly, the thing I'm interested in is directly comparable to how she handled partners in Batman: The Animated Series. I don't want to bore you with that game though, so I'll spare you of the deets.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:40 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:11 am Holy fuck I'm towntowntowntowntown

Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair
I am not going to lie. I have actually been town clearing you in games for the past six months because you only ever open games when you are town by saying that you are town and when you are mafia you do not. I swear this read is accurate lol. (don't fact check it)
This is NOT accurate, it's one of the first tells I checked when I got on site - I think there is content within the first post that can be read into - need more data in more varied contexts, but the fact that he makes it is not.

hahaha thank you for informing me...

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:41 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
I agree with Alison on all points.
well this I didn't expect to see?

Yeah, I started off being wrong - which I think is a point Seanzie brought up a few times yesterday.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:41 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.

All the things I've said in the thread are merely masking the fact that I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.

hmmm

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:43 pm**

I am starting to become confbiased into seanzie/alison worlds so imma gonna stop backreading for a bit

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm**

My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.

Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.

Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:51 pm**

it is quite bizarre that Alison hasn't pushed Creature

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:55 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps
Fext, I'm obvtown at this point, move me up.

Also LC does not belong there. Neither does NAA.

hmmm

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:56 pm**

@Creature why are you voting Wilgy?

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

the timing of this vote profiles as a distancing vote designed for future optics

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm**

particularly in light of what occurred after it

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:08 pm**

I gotta work. I'll try to dig deeper when I have the time.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:25 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:03 pm Fext really was inno child in hindsight... maybe NAA is right to just wanna blast Alison for it.

hindsight? You knew d1 but continued voting him.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:27 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Seanzie didn't like the dead townie townreading me lol

Look up wolfy agenda in the dictonary, and you see this post from Mac.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.

Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.

Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at

I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:52 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.

Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.

Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at
I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.

Hmm

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:08 pm**

Just started watching Lost in Spaces season 2. I like how the lore is literally:

Earth: *is destroyed and billions of people die*
Robinsons: *happy Lost in Space intro noises*

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:13 pm**

I think Wilgy has wolf equity because they were voting Fext D1 and all I remember from them were poor questions that looked forced and looks like they're coasting.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:14 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:13 pm I think Wilgy has wolf equity because they were voting Fext D1 and all I remember from them were poor questions that looked forced and looks like they're coasting.

They are coasting, but why does that make them mafia?

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:18 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:14 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:13 pm I think Wilgy has wolf equity because they were voting Fext D1 and all I remember from them were poor questions that looked forced and looks like they're coasting.
They are coasting, but why does that make them mafia?

I feel like they've done just enough to be townread and then coast to endgame. I saw you all fighting early and Wilgy felt like one safe from all of it.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:22 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:14 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:13 pm I think Wilgy has wolf equity because they were voting Fext D1 and all I remember from them were poor questions that looked forced and looks like they're coasting.
They are coasting, but why does that make them mafia?
I feel like they've done just enough to be townread and then coast to endgame. I saw you all fighting early and Wilgy felt like one safe from all of it.

But the coasting pre-dates the town read.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:24 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.

Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.

Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at
I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.

I use hmmmmmm all the time as town.

Mac made associations & reads based off your posts. That does take some effort, but what I said was that it doesn't feel forced. His effort feels genuine to me in his solve.

I'm not seeing much in your self defense outside of "this is wolf agenda" and disparaging Mac's efforts.

Mac is just a wolf in your eyes?

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:26 pm**

@MacDougall Who's the more likely wolf between Creature & Sean in your eyes?

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:31 pm**

Alison's gone quiet

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:35 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.

Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.

Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at
I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.
I use hmmmmmm all the time as town.

Mac made associations & reads based off your posts. That does take some effort, but what I said was that it doesn't feel forced. His effort feels genuine to me in his solve.

I'm not seeing much in your self defense outside of "this is wolf agenda" and disparaging Mac's efforts.

Mac is just a wolf in your eyes?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:26 pm @MacDougall Who's the more likely wolf between Creature & Sean in your eyes?

Inyoureyes, inyoureyes, inyoureyes

Jeez falcon, get a new idiom, idiot

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:48 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:26 pm @MacDougall Who's the more likely wolf between Creature & Sean in your eyes?

probably sean tbh

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:49 pm**

sean is not allowing himself to view anything outside of his very narrow worldview which leads me to believe that he has less of an agenda to solve the game than he does to force through two mislynches

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:56 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:49 pm sean is not allowing himself to view anything outside of his very narrow worldview which leads me to believe that he has less of an agenda to solve the game than he does to force through two mislynches

I would be inclined to trust your progression if you ended up on Alison at EoD.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:58 pm**

convince me

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:59 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:58 pmconvince me

You've already been convinced.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:09 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.

Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.

Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at
I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.
I use hmmmmmm all the time as town.

Mac made associations & reads based off your posts. That does take some effort, but what I said was that it doesn't feel forced. His effort feels genuine to me in his solve.

I'm not seeing much in your self defense outside of "this is wolf agenda" and disparaging Mac's efforts.

Mac is just a wolf in your eyes?

Sure, I think you're missing my point. Go back and look at his "go back to the beginning of the game" posts and tell me how many takes you actually see. Going hmm on something somewhere sure, NAI, but going "hmm" on multiple posts,

on one, "that's not what I expected" (what wasn't what he expected, and why?) and etc. is performative. No townie quotes half the posts from page 1 with a little sentence or throwaway thought for each one when doing a readback. He is creating content without thoughts or depth.

Plus, like... look at that post by LC giving a wayy too strong of a town read of Mac given how early it was. Mac is well-known for being one of the best wolves on this site, so someone giving Mac a strong townlean off 5 posts is weird. Me pushing LC over something that looked TMI-y is not weird. town!Mac thinking me pushing LC over something that looked TMI-y is "Sean not trying to let LC townread Mac" doesn't happen. No way town!Mac has that take.

Can you please point to where Mac made associations and reads based off my posts? I don't see it.

Yes, I think Mac is very likely wolf here. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:23 pm**

Why are neither Sean or Mac voting for each other?

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:24 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:23 pm Why are neither Sean or Mac voting for each other?

Sean was voting for Mac, but I was hounding him about it yesterday, so he switched to Alison.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:27 pm**

@falcon45ca please look at these posts and tell me if you actually think this is townie content and not a wolf creating a lot of shallow content. You can either read my takes or ignore them, but please look at these.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Seanzie didn't like the dead townie townreading me lol

This is a really bad take. Mac super good wolf. LC townreading him there was weird. No way town!Mac interprets this as me not liking a dead townie townreading him?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:54 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
[VOTE: LC] aubergine
yeah wtf Seanzie is just mafia how did we get like this

No actual explanation here as to why me voting LC for what looks like TMI points to me being mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm Creature/Seanzie bag and tag it

No actual thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

no thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
Why tho?

asks a shallow question. Mac gives no take on why it wouldn't be or anything. no effort needed for this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
I agree with Alison on all points.
well this I didn't expect to see?

Doesn't actually give a take here, just points out votes on dead townies. There isn't anything inherently scummy about votes, Mac is not giving thoughts at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:11 am Holy fuck I'm towntowntowntowntown

Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair
I am not going to lie. I have actually been town clearing you in games for the past six months because you only ever open games when you are town by saying that you are town and when you are mafia you do not. I swear this read is accurate lol. (don't fact check it)

weak read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:47 am
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:42 amcan confirm
Your pocket attempt is duly noted, and while I appreciate the effort, it won't work...this time.

You may try again later if you like
like this just reads like empty bs

This is not really a good take. what is empty or BS about this post?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.

All the things I've said in the thread are merely masking the fact that I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.
hmmm

no actual thoughts given here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:43 pm I am starting to become confbiased into seanzie/alison worlds so imma gonna stop backreading for a bit

unclear how he got here. He hasn't actually given any thoughts or reasons on me or Alison. Quoting posts and going "hmm" is not thoughts. going

is not a thought. Looking at Alison having voted LC and Fext but giving legit no thoughts about it does not constitute progression.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps
Fext, I'm obvtown at this point, move me up.

Also LC does not belong there. Neither does NAA.
hmmm

Again, no thoughts. Just "hmmm". This is extremely fake and performative.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
the timing of this vote profiles as a distancing vote designed for future optics

Meh, this is literally the best post out of all of the ones he did in his quick burst, but it's still not really a good take.

He didn't give thoughts. Look at those posts. Look at how shallow they are. It is very very performative. He created a lot of posts with no real content.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:28 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:23 pm Why are neither Sean or Mac voting for each other?

I think it is Mac and Alison, so I'm okay voting for Alison. If people want to vote Mac though, I'm also good with that.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:34 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:27 pm @falcon45ca please look at these posts and tell me if you actually think this is townie content and not a wolf creating a lot of shallow content. You can either read my takes or ignore them, but please look at these.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Seanzie didn't like the dead townie townreading me lol
This is a really bad take. Mac super good wolf. LC townreading him there was weird. No way town!Mac interprets this as me not liking a dead townie townreading him?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:54 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
[VOTE: LC] aubergine
yeah wtf Seanzie is just mafia how did we get like this
No actual explanation here as to why me voting LC for what looks like TMI points to me being mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm Creature/Seanzie bag and tag it
No actual thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

no thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
Why tho?
asks a shallow question. Mac gives no take on why it wouldn't be or anything. no effort needed for this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
I agree with Alison on all points.
well this I didn't expect to see?
Doesn't actually give a take here, just points out votes on dead townies. There isn't anything inherently scummy about votes, Mac is not giving thoughts at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:11 am Holy fuck I'm towntowntowntowntown

Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair
I am not going to lie. I have actually been town clearing you in games for the past six months because you only ever open games when you are town by saying that you are town and when you are mafia you do not. I swear this read is accurate lol. (don't fact check it)
weak read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:47 am
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:42 amcan confirm
Your pocket attempt is duly noted, and while I appreciate the effort, it won't work...this time.

You may try again later if you like
like this just reads like empty bs
This is not really a good take. what is empty or BS about this post?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.

All the things I've said in the thread are merely masking the fact that I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.
hmmm
no actual thoughts given here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:43 pm I am starting to become confbiased into seanzie/alison worlds so imma gonna stop backreading for a bit
unclear how he got here. He hasn't actually given any thoughts or reasons on me or Alison. Quoting posts and going "hmm" is not thoughts. going is not a thought. Looking at Alison having voted LC and Fext but giving legit no thoughts about it does not constitute progression.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps
Fext, I'm obvtown at this point, move me up.

Also LC does not belong there. Neither does NAA.
hmmm
Again, no thoughts. Just "hmmm". This is extremely fake and performative.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
the timing of this vote profiles as a distancing vote designed for future optics
Meh, this is literally the best post out of all of the ones he did in his quick burst, but it's still not really a good take.
He didn't give thoughts. Look at those posts. Look at how shallow they are. It is very very performative. He created a lot of posts with no real content.

what the actual fuck are you talking about dude it's like the opposite of performative jesus christ

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:44 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:27 pm @falcon45ca please look at these posts and tell me if you actually think this is townie content and not a wolf creating a lot of shallow content. You can either read my takes or ignore them, but please look at these.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Seanzie didn't like the dead townie townreading me lol
This is a really bad take. Mac super good wolf. LC townreading him there was weird. No way town!Mac interprets this as me not liking a dead townie townreading him?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:54 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
[VOTE: LC] aubergine
yeah wtf Seanzie is just mafia how did we get like this
No actual explanation here as to why me voting LC for what looks like TMI points to me being mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm Creature/Seanzie bag and tag it
No actual thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

no thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
Why tho?
asks a shallow question. Mac gives no take on why it wouldn't be or anything. no effort needed for this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
I agree with Alison on all points.
well this I didn't expect to see?
Doesn't actually give a take here, just points out votes on dead townies. There isn't anything inherently scummy about votes, Mac is not giving thoughts at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:11 am Holy fuck I'm towntowntowntowntown

Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair
I am not going to lie. I have actually been town clearing you in games for the past six months because you only ever open games when you are town by saying that you are town and when you are mafia you do not. I swear this read is accurate lol. (don't fact check it)
weak read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:47 am
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:42 amcan confirm
Your pocket attempt is duly noted, and while I appreciate the effort, it won't work...this time.

You may try again later if you like
like this just reads like empty bs
This is not really a good take. what is empty or BS about this post?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.

All the things I've said in the thread are merely masking the fact that I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.
hmmm
no actual thoughts given here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:43 pm I am starting to become confbiased into seanzie/alison worlds so imma gonna stop backreading for a bit
unclear how he got here. He hasn't actually given any thoughts or reasons on me or Alison. Quoting posts and going "hmm" is not thoughts. going is not a thought. Looking at Alison having voted LC and Fext but giving legit no thoughts about it does not constitute progression.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps
Fext, I'm obvtown at this point, move me up.

Also LC does not belong there. Neither does NAA.
hmmm
Again, no thoughts. Just "hmmm". This is extremely fake and performative.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
the timing of this vote profiles as a distancing vote designed for future optics
Meh, this is literally the best post out of all of the ones he did in his quick burst, but it's still not really a good take.
He didn't give thoughts. Look at those posts. Look at how shallow they are. It is very very performative. He created a lot of posts with no real content.

Fewer words doesn't mean shallow content, and tbh I feel you're being the performative one atm.

I can see what you're saying tho w/ re: to Mac's read as feeling like a wolf push if you are town.

I'd like Alison/Creature flip before either of you or Mac

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:37 am**

@Creature where are you at?

@Seanzie your worldview is borked if you are town. What can we do to resolve this because I feel like you just keep talking past me and all of your points are just definition tunneling nonsense.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:51 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:23 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:10 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:56 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:48 am I've given you page after page explaining my logic as extensively as humanly possible. If you want to talk, be extremely clear, specific and precise about what it is you want. I've had enough with you throwing vague nonsense at me and pretending it means something and I am scum for not responding to it enough. If you want a fair exchange from me so we can talk, then define it. Tell me what a fair exchange is, and what you want from me. No more "you haven't reflected enough", "you haven't considered the differences", etc. Be specific.
You don't understand how Mac changed on Fext, and that is telling.

Would you mind doing me a favor and pretending like Mac is scum and I'm right, and letting me know how such a world would look?
Then let's be clear.

You tell me, in simple 4th grader terms, how you think Mac's read/treatment on Fext changed. Then you explain why this contradicts something I've said, or some characterization I've given on the situation.

In a scenario where Mac is scum, then I believe that the way he has treated Fext - ie. townreading Fext but leaving his vote on Fext anyway - is most likely because he is playing mind games. I believe that this action does not benefit him as scum. Ergo, he is doing it to get townread by people who know it doesn't benefit him as scum, like me. For obvious reasons, I don't think Mac is mafia with you or NAA. I know I'm town, and the way he went after Creature for slanking through the day suggests that they are not partnered. (Specifically, I think a mafia Mac with Creature partner wouldn't want to draw even more attention to his partner when he - that is, Creature - is already under pressure. He might be bussing Creature, but if that was his intent he wouldn't have gotten stuck in the reads trying to argue with and case you - mafia Mac busses very confidently and violently.)

So, in this world, I think he's most likely scum with one of Wilgy or Falcon.
I think you "mind games" crap is BS. Look at the thread. Look at how Mac treated Fext.

you refusing to see it...

Yeah, no.

I said if you wanted to talk to me, you're going to have to be clear, give specifics, and be forthright in your answers. You demanded a fair exchange. I gave you a full and clear answer to your question, and you respond to mine with vague bullshit.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:51 am**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:36 am It's really not that hard. You have all the pieces. Put it together and convince me it isn't a read you legit took this long to come to.

Meant to quote this, sorry, but same sentiment to both posts to be honest.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:52 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:10 pm Yeah, going thru Creatures ISO again, and I'm fine with their flip.

Creature/Alison chuck wagon races? Let's do it

I think NAA/Seanzie might have more equity than Creature at this point. How do you feel about them?

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:24 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:10 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.
You're right, I would kill Lime Coke if I were mafia in this situation. I think it's in everyone's best interest to kill Lime Coke at night in this situation because there's a very high probability that he enters the day being confirmed town. Also, killing Lime Coke closes the door to some discussions over what happened yesterday.

Though, playing devil's advocate to my own argument, if my goal is to get Alison killed, Lime Coke could reasonably be turned in that direction after the Fext flip + it's unclear what I would assume about Alison's read on Lime Coke, is it solid, or is it fabricated?

ALSO, I don't push Alison if I'm mafia. Or at the very least, I don't consider pushing Alison to be a good idea for mafia... Every play is correct some % of the time.

I was a top wagon yesterday and I'm a top wagon today. I am objectively an easy push for mafia. You don't need LC around to do that, and the same goes for your assertion that you don't push me when you're mafia because I'm a hard person to exe or whatever.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:35 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:29 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:26 pm Honestly, Alison & Mac have played a phenomenal wolf game. Live through D1, pocket the townies you need for votes, kill obvious town who risks having a voice. Open wolf to people who you can't pocket, because they don't matter.
Do you have a world where one of or both Mac/Alison aren't scum?
Alison/Creature
Mac/Creature

It's unlikely though because 1) both are implicitly trying to get creature killed... An argument can be made that Alison is pushing me, but really, does anyone feel the pressure of a town!Alison push coming my way?

Alison & Mac have no world view other than someone in the game must be mafia, and oh by the way "our town reads are probably more like null reads that we'll have to rescind"

If you need evidence of where Mac posts that he's only town reading people because other people are town reading them, you can go find it yourself.

If you need evidence to see how Alison doesn't care who dies, you can go find that yourself. She's just like randomly bundling people together to make blanket statements like "These players don't care about mafia" ... "These players are always right" ... "These players are the scummiest in the game, because the plot demands that they must be"

Remember when I said on D1 that Alison's reads didn't make sense?

She had 2 hard scum reads
3 Null reads
1 wavering town read
1 hard town read

Do you see how the top 3 rows of that are incompatible? It's not any better today.

I don't think I had a null read on anyone D1. This is a categorical falsehood.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:41 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:23 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:11 pm I'll pretend like you didn't add the second part on for the sake of meeting you halfway.
You don't have to pretend that, it is how I felt and you don't need to disqualify it... it was a miserable experience and I am not a masochist so I tend to avoid repeating situations that cause me such.

There are many possibilities in this game, and the majority of them are not being considered. Seanzie and Creature have locked themselves into worlds of two that I know to be false (although Creature is voting for Wilgy now which I haven't even really checked why yet). You and Falcon are now living in a world of three that I feel is most likely only 1 mafia due to the fact that I am town and I don't think Alison/Creature makes all that much sense due to Creature's treatment of Alison. Though upon considering it, he did push me first and while I was asleep he has switched off Alison again and onto Wilgy so maybe I'm underestimating that possibility.

The entire game I have not understood why you have been as suspicious of Alison as you were. I have felt like she's been Mac siding and that's usually a good sign that she's town (I've never really been pocketed by her and she knows it so she tends to just n1 me). I feeltingly humoured the idea that you two have just randed mafia together and chosen a path of chaotic hellbussing, but if that's what's occurring well we have a town L on our hands.

Meanwhile we have Falcon and Wilgy who are coasting by based on nothing, and Seanzie who I am confident is town but is solving inside of a locked world I know is false.

I have little confidence we're anywhere near a real solve. My suspicion of Creature is even wavering because he's hitting all the notes of his slank town game.

So I want to just completely reevaluate the game, and I'd rather do it in my own way.

Why are you confident Seanzie is town?

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:45 am**

keep reading

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:45 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:15 pm I actually was thinking about this game 15 mins ago when I was getting my coffee and had a thought that the LC kill doesn't make sense for Alison to make because LC wasn't an Alison voter and also because LC isn't an Alison threat, but maybe I'm tripping.

@Alison have you ever night oned Lime Coke before?

I N1ed him in BTAS. iirc it was just for being obvious town and not because of any particular threat though.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:46 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
Why tho?

Because he locked in a read on someone who can't be read in 5 posts, in 5 posts. Felt like a combination of TMI and wanting to play up his "I shield people when I'm town" meta at the time.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:47 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:31 pm Alison's gone quiet

Yeah, I had a busy day yesterday, then went to a medical appointment that dragged on for hours, came home, and crashed. I'm around now, if you have anything specific you'd like to talk to me about.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:48 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:49 pm sean is not allowing himself to view anything outside of his very narrow worldview which leads me to believe that he has less of an agenda to solve the game than he does to force through two mislynches

Correct. My townread of him melted because he seemed like he was posting in bad faith, as though he was trying to force everything to fit his worldview and being intentionally uncooperative as a result.

Posted: **Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:13 am**

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

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