Re: Mafia Misplay Mafia
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:44 pm
Going to vote for the lhf then
I can restrain myself enough not to make a snarky comment, but not enough to not note that I made one internallyAchromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:41 pmIf we are both town it is good for us to work together on same reads to establish a good, shared PoE.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:39 pmwhile I'm glad I have your permission it's not something I was particularly concerned with havingAchromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:26 pm Hm, fair enough ;o.
You are currently voting another non town read for me so I don't have any problems with your direction atm. Carry on.
It's just proper town play tbh. Building consensus, understanding differences in that consensus, and debating earnestly which difference checks should be heeded is important in mountainous.
One of your comments in spec really got to me tbh. The "I don't think you are going to change so the apology doesn't matter" or something. It showed a lack of understanding of who I am as a mafia player and as a person.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:47 pmI can restrain myself enough not to make a snarky comment, but not enough to not note that I made one internallyAchromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:41 pmIf we are both town it is good for us to work together on same reads to establish a good, shared PoE.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:39 pmwhile I'm glad I have your permission it's not something I was particularly concerned with havingAchromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:26 pm Hm, fair enough ;o.
You are currently voting another non town read for me so I don't have any problems with your direction atm. Carry on.
It's just proper town play tbh. Building consensus, understanding differences in that consensus, and debating earnestly which difference checks should be heeded is important in mountainous.
you can. here's my problem with it: there's not really a good reason to put him on the menu. There's also not a good reason to keep him off of the menu. I'd say give a day or so with regards to content and then chop if it's still lacking but that's not out of some kind of misguided "strong players with weak openings can still be useful town" but more along the lines of "if we're right it's not like we're right for reasons we can articulate"
D3/d4 is a bit too long for a good player with not good reads.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:48 pm Anyways visor is fine, if he has good reads keep him alive if he doesn't kill him like d3/4, im not super worried about him
Yea fair enough. I just don't want us to like let him slip by under the radarhollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:49 pmyou can. here's my problem with it: there's not really a good reason to put him on the menu. There's also not a good reason to keep him off of the menu. I'd say give a day or so with regards to content and then chop if it's still lacking but that's not out of some kind of misguided "strong players with weak openings can still be useful town" but more along the lines of "if we're right it's not like we're right for reasons we can articulate"
I mean, I wouldn't take it too seriously/personally, I didn't mean it in a harsh/critical way. I generally just think people play how they want to and/or how they think is best, and trying to strong-arm someone into apologizing for something they'd likely do again is...silly, at best, lol.Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:49 pmOne of your comments in spec really got to me tbh. The "I don't think you are going to change so the apology doesn't matter" or something. It showed a lack of understanding of who I am as a mafia player and as a person.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:47 pmI can restrain myself enough not to make a snarky comment, but not enough to not note that I made one internallyAchromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:41 pmIf we are both town it is good for us to work together on same reads to establish a good, shared PoE.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:39 pmwhile I'm glad I have your permission it's not something I was particularly concerned with havingAchromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:26 pm Hm, fair enough ;o.
You are currently voting another non town read for me so I don't have any problems with your direction atm. Carry on.
It's just proper town play tbh. Building consensus, understanding differences in that consensus, and debating earnestly which difference checks should be heeded is important in mountainous.
I am always striving to improve, and one of the ways I can improve right now is recognizing that I have an over thinking problem and there is a reason for that and being very aware of that.
I am disgustingly earnest.
This is how I eternally play the game. Find town anyone you don't find is scum, work with your town to solve the game and win.Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:50 pm pfft. If I am right today it is because I successfully town read a bunch of people. Suck it wolves get PoE'd
Hopefully.
I don't really have a strong grasp on how long it takes him to get goingSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:52 pmD3/d4 is a bit too long for a good player with not good reads.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:48 pm Anyways visor is fine, if he has good reads keep him alive if he doesn't kill him like d3/4, im not super worried about him
But yea
I shouldn't say is scum. Anyone you don't find is your poolNeon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:57 pmThis is how I eternally play the game. Find town anyone you don't find is scum, work with your town to solve the game and win.Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:50 pm pfft. If I am right today it is because I successfully town read a bunch of people. Suck it wolves get PoE'd
Hopefully.
When I don't get pocketed it works. When I do get pocketed...see champs game 1 for reference lol
Fair enough. Part of it is I am not very content with my town game atm. Thus we have work shopping mode.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:56 pmI mean, I wouldn't take it too seriously/personally, I didn't mean it in a harsh/critical way. I generally just think people play how they want to and/or how they think is best, and trying to strong-arm someone into apologizing for something they'd likely do again is...silly, at best, lol.Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:49 pmOne of your comments in spec really got to me tbh. The "I don't think you are going to change so the apology doesn't matter" or something. It showed a lack of understanding of who I am as a mafia player and as a person.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:47 pmI can restrain myself enough not to make a snarky comment, but not enough to not note that I made one internallyAchromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:41 pmIf we are both town it is good for us to work together on same reads to establish a good, shared PoE.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:39 pmwhile I'm glad I have your permission it's not something I was particularly concerned with havingAchromatic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:26 pm Hm, fair enough ;o.
You are currently voting another non town read for me so I don't have any problems with your direction atm. Carry on.
It's just proper town play tbh. Building consensus, understanding differences in that consensus, and debating earnestly which difference checks should be heeded is important in mountainous.
I am always striving to improve, and one of the ways I can improve right now is recognizing that I have an over thinking problem and there is a reason for that and being very aware of that.
I am disgustingly earnest.
And idk maybe you will change, I dont really know you as a person or anything ive just seen you play two games, but im not really sure you need to change if you're happy or content with how you play. Like. If this is the way you want to play, theres nothing objectively or inherently wrong with it, none of my suggestions have been to change how you play just to be more cognizant of how other people play around you and maybe more accepting that not everyone plays the same way as you and that's OK.
Idk basically im just trying to say that I don't think you have to change how you play if you don't want to, and its pointless to apologize for something if you aren't planning to change it (and even if you are tbh I don't think you really owe an apology, you owned your mistakes afaict and its just a game)
Why is this? Both Posrcha and Mac seemed to agree that I was making much of nothing.Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:27 amprobably good postDrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:59 pmPositivity shmozitivity.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:54 pmNo sabi is a lot less wooden than she was in that game.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:49 pmI didn't read any of your previous posts as toxic. Feels weird for you to say you aren't going to be toxic, when I only saw disgruntlement.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:43 pmelaborateDrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:39 pmAAAAAAAAAAH wolf Mac.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:18 pm ok I'm going to try to maintain a nice positive atmosphere for our new friends to enjoy so that will be the last of my toxicity for this game
Sabi was right to SPECIFICALLY dislike kingmaker on the premise that MAC is king.
You caught Sabi very clearly last game I saw you play, is this the same Sabi?
I called Sabi bad at mafia. I invited most of these players and wanted to foster a positive threadstate and almost immediately failed in my goal. That's all that statement is. I like this new robust and productive Wilgy. Keep it up.
Meh, still think your post was slightly wolfy.
Not as wolfy as ender, but just slight. I don't know if disheartened Mac uses the vernacular used. Like, perhaps disgruntlement as we saw, yes, but a shift and declared shift. This early? This time of day? This time of year? Isolated entirely within day 1?
Lol, perhaps openly wasn't the best word.Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:30 amlmao I like the term of openly discussing kingmaker, as opposed to secretly and subversively discussing it. But I don't like that read. Maybe I just don't like AchroDrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:01 pmYou seem in your d1 town range based on last game.
HK seems to be moving the RVS along.
Achro's is only slight, but it's out of merit that openly discussing kingmaker helps us get out of RVS.
Lily came in swinging and that's a slight town tell.
Porscha seems in d1 town range.
Yes, excellent.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:38 amDidn't even need to have Mac drive it this time, excellent.
I still blame Lucy.
I mean, I think I change it every half year to year? I think that's the average profile pic attention span I have.
I say more about it later but if you want me to explain I canDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:12 pmWhy is this? Both Posrcha and Mac seemed to agree that I was making much of nothing.Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:27 amprobably good postDrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:59 pmPositivity shmozitivity.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:54 pmNo sabi is a lot less wooden than she was in that game.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:49 pmI didn't read any of your previous posts as toxic. Feels weird for you to say you aren't going to be toxic, when I only saw disgruntlement.
You caught Sabi very clearly last game I saw you play, is this the same Sabi?
I called Sabi bad at mafia. I invited most of these players and wanted to foster a positive threadstate and almost immediately failed in my goal. That's all that statement is. I like this new robust and productive Wilgy. Keep it up.
Meh, still think your post was slightly wolfy.
Not as wolfy as ender, but just slight. I don't know if disheartened Mac uses the vernacular used. Like, perhaps disgruntlement as we saw, yes, but a shift and declared shift. This early? This time of day? This time of year? Isolated entirely within day 1?
ebwop
What achro said. I recently lost to wolf visor and he pulled the whole: in not trying to be invested in this game schtick.
I see Sabi's point here. I like it Sabi.Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:11 pmNook is a shining beacon of town how dare you.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:08 pmNook hasn't done anything AI either and your explanation of his thing is pretty fake able.Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:07 pmI have now explained all of my non secret reads.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:05 pmAchro are you going to explain your reads or are you going to continue to be an attention whore?Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:03 pm upon reflection I am also giving Nook a town read.
Town
HK
Wilgy
Nook
Porscha
Esooa
Wolf
Secret Read
6 more life boats available.
Why haven't you read me?
You have done nothing AI.
but the whole point of vibe checks is just to go off vibes lol.
I do think that the first statement is kinda just objectively wrong. Enabling yourself to be read and not misyeeted is a skill required for town to win, even if it's hard and also not a member of the town's primary objective.Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:13 pmI mean I just don't care lol x) I've been mislynched twice the past month so clearly I am not THAT HARD of a ML and also if everyone decides to vote me out it is their skill issue, not mine.
I'll just be over here collecting reads regardless of vote count. I am not going to beg people to read me differently if they want to vote me. I am mostly here for my benefit of seeing how different methods of scum hunting work for me early game, if that doesn't project towniness in this particular game I already know how to fix that long term.
What makes it weird? Seems just like a blanket contradictory statement?Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:36 pmFair enough.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:31 pmidk I think i've seen you wolf 2-3 times in total but the one specific post achro gave you town read for is .......... I think entirely within either of your ranges.
any alignment player can have the thought "oh so you say you sheep x, but x is TR'ing me, curious that you are not sheeping x like you said you would" like literally any alignment player has the neutral vantage point to point this out and I don't think either alignment has a particular reason to point this out or not. I think the most neutral person in the game, someone who isn't even playing the game, could have the thought of "oh but that person is voting the other person whom THE OTHER PERSON said they are sheeping" etc etc. like I don't see a world where achro thinks or "feels vibes" that post is specifically town but he won't elaborate so i'm sitting here with shit in 1 hand and achro in the other hand telling me the shit isn't shit
God it feels weird to give you a tr about this but yea. Here.
to paraphrase: idgaf if he's chopped but I'm not exerting effort to do soNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:57 pmI don't really have a strong grasp on how long it takes him to get goingSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:52 pmD3/d4 is a bit too long for a good player with not good reads.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:48 pm Anyways visor is fine, if he has good reads keep him alive if he doesn't kill him like d3/4, im not super worried about him
But yea
Idk im not gonna fight to keep him out of the poe he's just not a priority for me
It doesn't feel contradictory. She's explaining why achro read was weird.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:42 pmWhat makes it weird? Seems just like a blanket contradictory statement?Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:36 pmFair enough.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:31 pmidk I think i've seen you wolf 2-3 times in total but the one specific post achro gave you town read for is .......... I think entirely within either of your ranges.
any alignment player can have the thought "oh so you say you sheep x, but x is TR'ing me, curious that you are not sheeping x like you said you would" like literally any alignment player has the neutral vantage point to point this out and I don't think either alignment has a particular reason to point this out or not. I think the most neutral person in the game, someone who isn't even playing the game, could have the thought of "oh but that person is voting the other person whom THE OTHER PERSON said they are sheeping" etc etc. like I don't see a world where achro thinks or "feels vibes" that post is specifically town but he won't elaborate so i'm sitting here with shit in 1 hand and achro in the other hand telling me the shit isn't shit
God it feels weird to give you a tr about this but yea. Here.
This game needs more kissing
What makes this towny?Neon wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:41 amIs it bad if I both feel this on a personal level and want to read it as town.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:08 pmI mean I'm burnt out of the amount of energy, both in thread and behind the scenes, that I've been putting into many of my games over the last few months, and its gotten to the point where I'm becoming too emotionally invested in games, which isn't good for me on a personal level and isn't good for my reads, so I'm consciously taking a step back.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:05 pmWhat do you meanNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:03 pm This is a shitpost and detox game for me, just to set expectations
Basically I'm gonna play this more like mac's game than like champs or asmr or whatever
Probably.
Mafia unhealthy game inherently can't change my mind.
I don't know if this has honestly ever been true. Er... I think I've been misyeeted twice when this argument has been made.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:41 amThe townier Wilgy is. The more likely mafia.
*Walks away from "clinically bad meta reads" sign.*
*sheepishly hides*DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:52 pmI don't know if this has honestly ever been true. Er... I think I've been misyeeted twice when this argument has been made.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:41 amThe townier Wilgy is. The more likely mafia.
*Walks away from "clinically bad meta reads" sign.*
Nothing to be sorry about, I misplayed in not saving Nook when my gut told me to. It wasn't the first time nor will it be the last.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:55 pm*sheepishly hides*DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:52 pmI don't know if this has honestly ever been true. Er... I think I've been misyeeted twice when this argument has been made.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:41 amThe townier Wilgy is. The more likely mafia.
*Walks away from "clinically bad meta reads" sign.*
Again im sorry
Would you like his recent wolf randDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:56 pm Made it to like page 11, and I don't think Achros a good vote today.
Even if the reads are bad, which I agree that they don't seem correct to me, I think Achro is engaged and solving. I think if we find a W in Achro it's through associations we make later.
I suppose I'm trying to say I am not wise enough to know if this puts Achro in wolf range, but as it stands I see it as pro town.
I think it depends.Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:48 amextremely agreeEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:47 amHi. Do you also agree that Fire Emblem should stop doing self-inserts and actually go back to main characters with personality?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:45 amhello meEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 12:43 amThat's weird. This is my post but someone else posted it.