Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
His power is unclear even to him
Neon chose 112 instead. 112 posted 6 times on Day 3. Neon could be a townsiding 3p, or straight up town. Or if she's a scumsiding 3p, she could have thought you're mafiaGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:13 pmThere is no slank vigilante or i would have been killed on night 3Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:21 am @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @EnderWiggin @falcon45ca @Golden @Guillotine @Kate @Neon @Porscha @RondoDimBuckle @S~V~S @Scotty @sig @Sloonei @Urist
DONT GO OVER 200 POSTS. NOT TODAY, NOT EVER
creature and rondo both went over 200 on d2 (the 2 people neon outed she could shoot on n2). sabi went over 200 on d1. tsp and 112 barely posted
also post as much as you can, as close to 200 as you can, so that you aren't low posting enough to be eligible due to slanking
like, if u wanna live, post as close as u can to 200 without going over 200
-t
I'm calling it dvc (dead villager chat / graveyard chat) but it's the The GOC2022 discord server hub. All of us are there - players, hosts, dead players, spectators. U had to join it in order to play this game. On the right side you can see the player names. All dead players are given spoiled or unspoiled roles, meaning they are given access to channels where they can talk about the game. Ilario (waza) wasnt given one for a long time. Hollowkatt still isn't given that access. Meaning that he isn't de facto "dead", like ilario wasn't for a few phases. Hence my theory that they are still "moderating" the game for Nanook because Nanook is lazy. This is for you too @Guillotine because you were asking me earlier but I was conserving post count
Yes but I'm trying to think 10 steps ahead. I don't want to just sit idle and wait for you guys to out whatever read you have on me. Worst case scenario - you scumread me. In that case I want ample time to organize what to do next. I'd need time to think if I should convince u I'm town or have enough time to talk to Guillo etc. I'd like to be productive and not waste my time. That's why I was talking hypotethically if you do end up scumreading meKate wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:14 pmDude when tf did I say anything like that?Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:19 am @Kate @Urist if u guys are absolutely sure that im 3p and i need to die, i can offer to get shot by guillo tonight to break my shield, to reduce the amount of kp needed to kill me (chopping doesnt instantly kill me if i have my shield)
If u guys arent, i can continue playing my normal town game and proving that im town and trying my hardest to solve, like ive been doing all game
Nook just trolled us pretty hard by giving us a town role that was designed to look as much 3p as humanly possible lmao
The reason why im asking now is because, if u guys decide tomorrow that u wanna start killing me, it just sucks to waste an extra kp on my slot (when guillo could have done that + proved his role), instead of using that kp to shoot scum. So i need u to 1) get a confident read on me asap
2) tell me whats that read asap, and if i should proceed with operation sudoku, so i can communicate it with guillo on time
-t
To be fair a good portion of the remaining players were already putting svs in poe to the extent they actively wanted her vigged or at least were fine with her getting viggedGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:26 pm Anyone who joined the wagon after michelle blowing up gets no credit, who was pushing SvS before it?
Towny af post tbh lolParty Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:49 pmNeon chose 112 instead. 112 posted 6 times on Day 3. Neon could be a townsiding 3p, or straight up town. Or if she's a scumsiding 3p, she could have thought you're mafiaGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:13 pmThere is no slank vigilante or i would have been killed on night 3Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:21 am @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @EnderWiggin @falcon45ca @Golden @Guillotine @Kate @Neon @Porscha @RondoDimBuckle @S~V~S @Scotty @sig @Sloonei @Urist
DONT GO OVER 200 POSTS. NOT TODAY, NOT EVER
creature and rondo both went over 200 on d2 (the 2 people neon outed she could shoot on n2). sabi went over 200 on d1. tsp and 112 barely posted
also post as much as you can, as close to 200 as you can, so that you aren't low posting enough to be eligible due to slanking
like, if u wanna live, post as close as u can to 200 without going over 200
-t
I'm calling it dvc (dead villager chat / graveyard chat) but it's the The GOC2022 discord server hub. All of us are there - players, hosts, dead players, spectators. U had to join it in order to play this game. On the right side you can see the player names. All dead players are given spoiled or unspoiled roles, meaning they are given access to channels where they can talk about the game. Ilario (waza) wasnt given one for a long time. Hollowkatt still isn't given that access. Meaning that he isn't de facto "dead", like ilario wasn't for a few phases. Hence my theory that they are still "moderating" the game for Nanook because Nanook is lazy. This is for you too @Guillotine because you were asking me earlier but I was conserving post count
@DrWilgy please don't offer yourself to get shot by Neon, she is NOT guaranteed town. Her role is pretty broken for a town role and she might be 3p
Yes but I'm trying to think 10 steps ahead. I don't want to just sit idle and wait for you guys to out whatever read you have on me. Worst case scenario - you scumread me. In that case I want ample time to organize what to do next. I'd need time to think if I should convince u I'm town or have enough time to talk to Guillo etc. I'd like to be productive and not waste my time. That's why I was talking hypotethically if you do end up scumreading meKate wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:14 pmDude when tf did I say anything like that?Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:19 am @Kate @Urist if u guys are absolutely sure that im 3p and i need to die, i can offer to get shot by guillo tonight to break my shield, to reduce the amount of kp needed to kill me (chopping doesnt instantly kill me if i have my shield)
If u guys arent, i can continue playing my normal town game and proving that im town and trying my hardest to solve, like ive been doing all game
Nook just trolled us pretty hard by giving us a town role that was designed to look as much 3p as humanly possible lmao
The reason why im asking now is because, if u guys decide tomorrow that u wanna start killing me, it just sucks to waste an extra kp on my slot (when guillo could have done that + proved his role), instead of using that kp to shoot scum. So i need u to 1) get a confident read on me asap
2) tell me whats that read asap, and if i should proceed with operation sudoku, so i can communicate it with guillo on time
-t
-t
I'm pretty sure reading into this qualifies as angleshootingParty Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:49 pm I'm calling it dvc (dead villager chat / graveyard chat) but it's the The GOC2022 discord server hub. All of us are there - players, hosts, dead players, spectators. U had to join it in order to play this game. On the right side you can see the player names. All dead players are given spoiled or unspoiled roles, meaning they are given access to channels where they can talk about the game.
Why would 3P scum side?Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:49 pm
Neon chose 112 instead. 112 posted 6 times on Day 3. Neon could be a townsiding 3p, or straight up town. Or if she's a scumsiding 3p, she could have thought you're mafia
I don't scum read you at all. And I never said anything about thinking you were 3p. We all have our own opinions in there, it's not like hive mind.Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:49 pmNeon chose 112 instead. 112 posted 6 times on Day 3. Neon could be a townsiding 3p, or straight up town. Or if she's a scumsiding 3p, she could have thought you're mafiaGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 3:13 pmThere is no slank vigilante or i would have been killed on night 3Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:21 am @DrWilgy @Dyslexicon @EnderWiggin @falcon45ca @Golden @Guillotine @Kate @Neon @Porscha @RondoDimBuckle @S~V~S @Scotty @sig @Sloonei @Urist
DONT GO OVER 200 POSTS. NOT TODAY, NOT EVER
creature and rondo both went over 200 on d2 (the 2 people neon outed she could shoot on n2). sabi went over 200 on d1. tsp and 112 barely posted
also post as much as you can, as close to 200 as you can, so that you aren't low posting enough to be eligible due to slanking
like, if u wanna live, post as close as u can to 200 without going over 200
-t
I'm calling it dvc (dead villager chat / graveyard chat) but it's the The GOC2022 discord server hub. All of us are there - players, hosts, dead players, spectators. U had to join it in order to play this game. On the right side you can see the player names. All dead players are given spoiled or unspoiled roles, meaning they are given access to channels where they can talk about the game. Ilario (waza) wasnt given one for a long time. Hollowkatt still isn't given that access. Meaning that he isn't de facto "dead", like ilario wasn't for a few phases. Hence my theory that they are still "moderating" the game for Nanook because Nanook is lazy. This is for you too @Guillotine because you were asking me earlier but I was conserving post count
@DrWilgy please don't offer yourself to get shot by Neon, she is NOT guaranteed town. Her role is pretty broken for a town role and she might be 3p
Yes but I'm trying to think 10 steps ahead. I don't want to just sit idle and wait for you guys to out whatever read you have on me. Worst case scenario - you scumread me. In that case I want ample time to organize what to do next. I'd need time to think if I should convince u I'm town or have enough time to talk to Guillo etc. I'd like to be productive and not waste my time. That's why I was talking hypotethically if you do end up scumreading meKate wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:14 pmDude when tf did I say anything like that?Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:19 am @Kate @Urist if u guys are absolutely sure that im 3p and i need to die, i can offer to get shot by guillo tonight to break my shield, to reduce the amount of kp needed to kill me (chopping doesnt instantly kill me if i have my shield)
If u guys arent, i can continue playing my normal town game and proving that im town and trying my hardest to solve, like ive been doing all game
Nook just trolled us pretty hard by giving us a town role that was designed to look as much 3p as humanly possible lmao
The reason why im asking now is because, if u guys decide tomorrow that u wanna start killing me, it just sucks to waste an extra kp on my slot (when guillo could have done that + proved his role), instead of using that kp to shoot scum. So i need u to 1) get a confident read on me asap
2) tell me whats that read asap, and if i should proceed with operation sudoku, so i can communicate it with guillo on time
-t
-t
Yes, and now you are further discrediting an argument by stating it's just semantics.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:37 pmThis is semantics. I dont know if it is correct and I'm not convinced by your argument. If I said everyone but me agrees then that means I do not agreeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:07 pmI don't have to convince anything. I made an observation that indicates anti town behavior.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:55 pmI guess iata here if everyone but me agrees? Idk manfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:22 amDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:24 am This post here from wolf JJJ has the near exact same feel to me:PoE created of Sloonei/Wilgy in spite of previous data and inclination compares to the PoE of Nook and I JJJ used. JJJ using Falcon's thinking to push this agenda screams in reminder when you use the context of Golden using Rondo's like/like check (which at the very least isn't still hard confirmed, and not the boldest claim imo).JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:06 pmCould be. When I performed my prior review of Wilgy, it often felt like I had to nitpick to raise gripes. The case would have to be of the on-the-nose variety: he voted outed wolf, which invited Nanook's follow, and in so doing created a significant counterwagon to Sparkles. Then he fell off given his surgical needs. At this stage of play it's something that should be considered.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:50 pm POE says it's Nook, but Wilgy is starting to Wilg me out...
What if, knowing he has some convalescence ahead of him, Wilgy puts in a Herculean D1 to setup a deep wolf game?
Is there something in particular that points your tinfoil in his direction instead of mine or Sabi's?
And yes, I know you can't damn player behavior on the back of another player's previous actions, but wolf behavior I think finds a way to have lines of convergence where these patterns pop up and are correct.Yep. Sad day, IIRC I was sus of JJJ's lukewarm playstyle, but didn't follow up enough due to pivoting. Golden's post does remind me of that tactic
You can convince me it's an... attempt... at a pivot post. I think it would be weak if it legitimatally was
I dont think you could convince me its wilgy oriented specifically
And golden has done nothing with the so-called pivot and clearly seemed to be trying to think out loud when thread was dead
I would like to pump the brakes a little on this line of reasoning until I'm provided with far more reason to agree with the dissenters
It's up to you to find it correct or not and react to it by means that suits your alignment.
I find it strange that rather than disagreement with said observation, you attempt to actually take away power from the observation by saying that it needs convincing.
You slank half the game away and this is what you hit me with? I'm having specific thoughts you may be 3p if you arent town
Ah, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from the MR kill. Stating that I'm just spanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.
Do you attribute wolf play to being afraid? Did I imply that you were afraid?Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:40 pmI'm clearly not afraid of confronting you and going out of my way to get you to play
If you are having doubts on my alignment then I'd like you to ask yourself if you think I am fearless because I'm not town or because I probably just am
And also if you say I'm not town then that's spitting in mac's face and surely you would never do that to our boy mac
Genuine question to you, coming from the lens that you actually are town (and I still lean towards you are, I’m just not feeling certain).DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:30 pmAh, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from the MR kill. Stating that I'm just spanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.
I think we are missing a step here.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:36 pmGenuine question to you, coming from the lens that you actually are town (and I still lean towards you are, I’m just not feeling certain).DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:30 pmAh, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from the MR kill. Stating that I'm just spanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.
MR gave up in the thread and basically self-outed. Do you think you don’t shoot him in that scenario if you’re wolf?
Yes, I like this response. So you’re saying the kill would be less clearing for you if the shot was MORE clean?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:41 pmI think we are missing a step here.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:36 pmGenuine question to you, coming from the lens that you actually are town (and I still lean towards you are, I’m just not feeling certain).DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:30 pmAh, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from the MR kill. Stating that I'm just spanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.
MR gave up in the thread and basically self-outed. Do you think you don’t shoot him in that scenario if you’re wolf?
If I'm scum, I don't give the chance for MR to wiggle out of getting me credit by asking Neon. Hell even if I wanted to save MR for a yeet I don't put the power in another player's ball park.
Further if Neon gives me two options and I say I'll coinflip rather than just shooting my slanky teammate that'd also be suboptimal.
As wolf, I'm either 1. Going harder for the credit or 2. Stalling my teammates death.
There's VERY little scenarios where I do middling shit as W.
Yes.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:45 pmYes, I like this response. So you’re saying the kill would be less clearing for you if the shot was MORE clean?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:41 pmI think we are missing a step here.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:36 pmGenuine question to you, coming from the lens that you actually are town (and I still lean towards you are, I’m just not feeling certain).DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:30 pmAh, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from the MR kill. Stating that I'm just spanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.
MR gave up in the thread and basically self-outed. Do you think you don’t shoot him in that scenario if you’re wolf?
If I'm scum, I don't give the chance for MR to wiggle out of getting me credit by asking Neon. Hell even if I wanted to save MR for a yeet I don't put the power in another player's ball park.
Further if Neon gives me two options and I say I'll coinflip rather than just shooting my slanky teammate that'd also be suboptimal.
As wolf, I'm either 1. Going harder for the credit or 2. Stalling my teammates death.
There's VERY little scenarios where I do middling shit as W.
Yeah actually this rings true to me.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:48 pmYes.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:45 pmYes, I like this response. So you’re saying the kill would be less clearing for you if the shot was MORE clean?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:41 pmI think we are missing a step here.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:36 pmGenuine question to you, coming from the lens that you actually are town (and I still lean towards you are, I’m just not feeling certain).DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:30 pmAh, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from the MR kill. Stating that I'm just spanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.
MR gave up in the thread and basically self-outed. Do you think you don’t shoot him in that scenario if you’re wolf?
If I'm scum, I don't give the chance for MR to wiggle out of getting me credit by asking Neon. Hell even if I wanted to save MR for a yeet I don't put the power in another player's ball park.
Further if Neon gives me two options and I say I'll coinflip rather than just shooting my slanky teammate that'd also be suboptimal.
As wolf, I'm either 1. Going harder for the credit or 2. Stalling my teammates death.
There's VERY little scenarios where I do middling shit as W.
Simply put, from an outside perspective, W Wilgy I don't think ever allows so many variables in the decision to off a teammate or not.
I know right?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:53 pmHero shots are the best.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:45 pmtbh Alison was a hero shot. There wasn’t conclusively that she was mafia. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn’t.sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:01 pmDuhScotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:51 pmOf course you don’t want people suspecting those that shot mafia.sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:46 pmShe shot mafia and have been playing a townie game outside of the shot.
Is there a world where she’s third party? Maybe like 10% chance and guess what when we eliminate the last 1-2 mafia members if we haven’t won we get rid of neon simple.
Now isn’t the time to be going on paranoid witch hunts of the people who shot mafia it’ll only delay the game and there isn’t a single town reason for it
You shot mafia
But, also it never makes sense for mafia to shoot mafia unless
1. We’ve got two mafia teams (we don’t)
2. The theory is it wasn’t mafia but third party: if this is true it could only apply to Neon who’s been very town sided all game. Maybe she’s SK, but if so she’s playing it really poorly. So I’m inclined to think town
3. The ONLY potential caveat here and this would be in the most tin foil theory ever is that Wilgy is mafia who shoot mafia.
I wouldn’t presume to dictate how different teams act.
It seems like a modified vendor role for sure.
I'm not fond of this discourse. You provided an idea to the thread. I said I dont find the idea convincing and therefore I disagree with your idea. I welcomed you to provide more if you so wished so that maybe I could see what you could see, but that I wasnt seeing it as is. You dont need to do more, and I never demanded you do. You dont *need* to convince me - I just wont agree with you unless you do convince me. Because that's how arguments work.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:27 pmYes, and now you are further discrediting an argument by stating it's just semantics.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:37 pmThis is semantics. I dont know if it is correct and I'm not convinced by your argument. If I said everyone but me agrees then that means I do not agreeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:07 pmI don't have to convince anything. I made an observation that indicates anti town behavior.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:55 pmI guess iata here if everyone but me agrees? Idk manfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:22 amDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:24 am This post here from wolf JJJ has the near exact same feel to me:PoE created of Sloonei/Wilgy in spite of previous data and inclination compares to the PoE of Nook and I JJJ used. JJJ using Falcon's thinking to push this agenda screams in reminder when you use the context of Golden using Rondo's like/like check (which at the very least isn't still hard confirmed, and not the boldest claim imo).JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:06 pm
Could be. When I performed my prior review of Wilgy, it often felt like I had to nitpick to raise gripes. The case would have to be of the on-the-nose variety: he voted outed wolf, which invited Nanook's follow, and in so doing created a significant counterwagon to Sparkles. Then he fell off given his surgical needs. At this stage of play it's something that should be considered.
Is there something in particular that points your tinfoil in his direction instead of mine or Sabi's?
And yes, I know you can't damn player behavior on the back of another player's previous actions, but wolf behavior I think finds a way to have lines of convergence where these patterns pop up and are correct.Yep. Sad day, IIRC I was sus of JJJ's lukewarm playstyle, but didn't follow up enough due to pivoting. Golden's post does remind me of that tactic
You can convince me it's an... attempt... at a pivot post. I think it would be weak if it legitimatally was
I dont think you could convince me its wilgy oriented specifically
And golden has done nothing with the so-called pivot and clearly seemed to be trying to think out loud when thread was dead
I would like to pump the brakes a little on this line of reasoning until I'm provided with far more reason to agree with the dissenters
It's up to you to find it correct or not and react to it by means that suits your alignment.
I find it strange that rather than disagreement with said observation, you attempt to actually take away power from the observation by saying that it needs convincing.
You slank half the game away and this is what you hit me with? I'm having specific thoughts you may be 3p if you arent town
Again, the part that was odd wasn't that you disagreed, but more so how you presented it. "I disagree" is very different from "you need to convince me" as one places the actionable query in a neutral state that can grow and the other places the responsibility strictly on a person who's already said their peace.
Also "hit you with"? I don't believe I've hit you with anything, and it honestly seems that you've placed a strange amount of focus and energy on both my responses to golden and my response to you further.
I almost did ripParty Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 12:04 pmreminder that dizzy shot modsquad. he didnt shoot mafia
-t
I can do that, and then you can see for yourself <3Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:57 pm Any two gutsy players wanna vote me so i can shoot someone tonight?
Preferably PoEs
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:09 pm Wilgy what bothered me most is you’re desire to coast on ‘that shot should clear me’ when I didn’t think it should but I get it more now.
Assuming svs is honest and 3p not wolf, gut says the last wolves are in the Falcon, ender, dizzy trio. Outside chance of scotty but I really don’t think so. Or guillo, who I think is still acting wolfy but who is so disconnected from the thread that I’m finding it hard not to townread.
I’d not recommend it there’s too many unknowns still around KPs out there and if ender gives another suicide vest + we have standard kills it could put us in a bad spot
Jokes on you for assuming I'm coasting on that. I've literally been like "shoot me" because I'm well aware of me being a much more of a null slot and I do think there could result positive thread growth from it.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:09 pm Wilgy what bothered me most is you’re desire to coast on ‘that shot should clear me’ when I didn’t think it should but I get it more now.
Assuming svs is honest and 3p not wolf, gut says the last wolves are in the Falcon, ender, dizzy trio. Outside chance of scotty but I really don’t think so. Or guillo, who I think is still acting wolfy but who is so disconnected from the thread that I’m finding it hard not to townread.
There's another benefit to it though, and that's confirming Guillo. It's still possible that either he faked the claim, as two identical roles had already flipped at the point he claimed, or that mafia were given VT role texts.
Ah, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from Mac's read on me. Stating that I'm just slanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:30 pmAh, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from the MR kill. Stating that I'm just spanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.
Why? I think Scotty is exactly mafia. Marmot focused a lot on him, voted him at points and interacted a lot, which he did with the other flipped wolves too (except for Alison). I remember playing a game where Scotty was mafia, I was town and we got to end game, and I was convinced Scotty was mafia, but others weren't listening and he won in FX. Please let this not be that.
If guillo shoots someone at night it isnt that confirming imoDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:27 pmThere's another benefit to it though, and that's confirming Guillo. It's still possible that either he faked the claim, as two identical roles had already flipped at the point he claimed, or that mafia were given VT role texts.
I think his posts today are nicht gut, but to be fair that's NAI for Guillo
Not to mention that Marmot voting Mac for the lulz in a Scotty town world makes no senseDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:29 pmWhy? I think Scotty is exactly mafia. Marmot focused a lot on him, voted him at points and interacted a lot, which he did with the other flipped wolves too (except for Alison). I remember playing a game where Scotty was mafia, I was town and we got to end game, and I was convinced Scotty was mafia, but others weren't listening and he won in FX. Please let this not be that.
Agreed worst case mafia holsters a shot or he’s mafia and just uses his shot there.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:29 pmIf guillo shoots someone at night it isnt that confirming imoDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:27 pmThere's another benefit to it though, and that's confirming Guillo. It's still possible that either he faked the claim, as two identical roles had already flipped at the point he claimed, or that mafia were given VT role texts.
I think his posts today are nicht gut, but to be fair that's NAI for Guillo
It isnt AI no matter what the role does
And unless there is another person who would like to claim they are also his town counterpart then like. Why risk yourself if you're town to confirm the guy who's most detached from thread? As said above, theres still other kp... offering to confirm guillo on day 4 is not necessary
I personally enjoy having the general disruption because I would not have drawn those possible conclusions this early in the game and if there are 1-? 3p and 1-2 mafia then it isnt particularly important to figure out which is which (but I also say this because I dont think it's possible to sincerely hunt and / or ascertain mafia from 3p right now anyway)
Aye, the subject of "you can convince me" is still very different from "can you convince me" or "help me see what you see". The previous, again takes away while the latter helps build. Perhaps I could have stated that better.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:20 pmI'm not fond of this discourse. You provided an idea to the thread. I said I dont find the idea convincing and therefore I disagree with your idea. I welcomed you to provide more if you so wished so that maybe I could see what you could see, but that I wasnt seeing it as is. You dont need to do more, and I never demanded you do. You dont *need* to convince me - I just wont agree with you unless you do convince me. Because that's how arguments work.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:27 pmYes, and now you are further discrediting an argument by stating it's just semantics.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:37 pmThis is semantics. I dont know if it is correct and I'm not convinced by your argument. If I said everyone but me agrees then that means I do not agreeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:07 pmI don't have to convince anything. I made an observation that indicates anti town behavior.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:55 pmI guess iata here if everyone but me agrees? Idk manfalcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:22 amDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:24 am This post here from wolf JJJ has the near exact same feel to me:
PoE created of Sloonei/Wilgy in spite of previous data and inclination compares to the PoE of Nook and I JJJ used. JJJ using Falcon's thinking to push this agenda screams in reminder when you use the context of Golden using Rondo's like/like check (which at the very least isn't still hard confirmed, and not the boldest claim imo).
And yes, I know you can't damn player behavior on the back of another player's previous actions, but wolf behavior I think finds a way to have lines of convergence where these patterns pop up and are correct.Yep. Sad day, IIRC I was sus of JJJ's lukewarm playstyle, but didn't follow up enough due to pivoting. Golden's post does remind me of that tactic
You can convince me it's an... attempt... at a pivot post. I think it would be weak if it legitimatally was
I dont think you could convince me its wilgy oriented specifically
And golden has done nothing with the so-called pivot and clearly seemed to be trying to think out loud when thread was dead
I would like to pump the brakes a little on this line of reasoning until I'm provided with far more reason to agree with the dissenters
It's up to you to find it correct or not and react to it by means that suits your alignment.
I find it strange that rather than disagreement with said observation, you attempt to actually take away power from the observation by saying that it needs convincing.
You slank half the game away and this is what you hit me with? I'm having specific thoughts you may be 3p if you arent town
Again, the part that was odd wasn't that you disagreed, but more so how you presented it. "I disagree" is very different from "you need to convince me" as one places the actionable query in a neutral state that can grow and the other places the responsibility strictly on a person who's already said their peace.
Also "hit you with"? I don't believe I've hit you with anything, and it honestly seems that you've placed a strange amount of focus and energy on both my responses to golden and my response to you further.
I did not discredit your argument. I said I dont agree with your argument. The argument is you see parallels. I dont see them. There is *zero* discrediting being done. You accused me of not saying something I did say, and I proved it. Calling it semantics was nice of me tbh- it was just incorrect of you to accuse me of "not disagreeing" when that's exactly what I did. And the colored text plainly shows that. But isnt particularly important, so I dont mind calling it semantics and leaving it at that.
Golden is a topic of conversation and I have not placed any special attention to it, and since your responses towards me have been accusational, I respond to them. This is normal. Your responses have been weirding me out, in fact. Not because of nonsense like "placing too much focus or energy" on them, but because they feel manufactured.
Alright. I kind of wanted to for spite reasons too. I'm not better than that uwuPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:29 pmIf guillo shoots someone at night it isnt that confirming imoDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:27 pmThere's another benefit to it though, and that's confirming Guillo. It's still possible that either he faked the claim, as two identical roles had already flipped at the point he claimed, or that mafia were given VT role texts.
I think his posts today are nicht gut, but to be fair that's NAI for Guillo
It isnt AI no matter what the role does
And unless there is another person who would like to claim they are also his town counterpart then like. Why risk yourself if you're town to confirm the guy who's most detached from thread? As said above, theres still other kp... offering to confirm guillo on day 4 is not necessary
Why did you change my typo of spanking back to slanking. That just kills it's charm.Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:27 pmAh, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from Mac's read on me. Stating that I'm just slanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:30 pmAh, but you see, at least others have found me quite in contention. Plenty have said I'm towny, while plenty have argued I get too much credit from the MR kill. Stating that I'm just spanking and am not around seems to be at least contrary to this as others have shown evidence above of both engaging me and drawing conclusions.
Wilgy if you want me to give a read on you, you can just ask
Generally in terms of game balance there's about .22% of Mafia to others, which would imply 8.8 Mafia members, so this may not be too far off.sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 5:31 pm
More info on this 16 living players
Likely 2 Third parties (we’ll know for sure post SVS flip)
14 players that count to the game 1-3 mafia let’s say worst case scenario 3 that means a team of 8.
11-3
Vote is 3P doesn’t matter so this night phase 2 kills for sure if they both hit town (one is factional mafia so we can assume it’ll hit town)
9-3
Tomorrow if we assume another suicide vest + a gun which I believe is a good bet to make worst case all 3 hit civ
6-3
Misvote
5-3
Boom game over.
Is this likely to happen? No
Am I taking a lot of liberties to paint the most pessimistic picture? Yes
But, I’m doing this to say we shouldn’t be axing people like Wilgy or dizzy through gullio right now it’s not a smart civ play
