The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:18 pm**

Epi, do you suspect JOH?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:18 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:35 pm Hey Golden don't vote for me.

Oops, you were a little late on that one.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:18 pm**

Golden, are we voting for JOH or sig?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:19 pm**

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:14 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:03 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:59 pm Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Careful, retaliation voting makes you look scummy.
Why would you care how Daisy looks?
Just a friendly warning. I did this in the image mafia game, and it made people suspect me later.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:15 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:08 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:07 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:00 pm One thing that bothers me about sig is all that conflict with dom and he's voting Nova and I don't really understand why.
He gave reasons. Mostly a meta-read on me, that I usually coast as scum on another forum, and him not liking the other (Dunya and Epi iirc) wagons.

However, he admitted to his vote being a forced one. He earlier also had an opposite meta-read on me, that I'm adhering to my Town meta by being quiet.
What do you mean by a forced one?
A weak vote without much substance and that he doesn't even like (according to him) that help him not get involved into other wagons that are the center of discussions and will get scrutinized.

I could quote you two of his post where he gives to meta-read on me based on my activity (being quiet). The initial one was as Town when he was engaged with Dom and voting Dom. The new one is as scum in order to justify his bogus vote.

No way. Sig's attempt to lynch me didn't work and he is now trying to lynch literally anyone else because our interaction makes him look bad af? Shocking!

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:19 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:18 pm Golden, are we voting for JOH or sig?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:19 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:16 pm Thanks, NVN, appreciate the clarification. Would you vote for sig today?

Yes. I'm looking at him and Sloonei mostly this day phase.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:19 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:15 pm Epi, you have 4 votes. Shit or get off the pot. Help us out here.

People's votes are of no concern to me.
Of less are posts like these.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:19 pm**

Dom, what do you think of JOH and Epi? You may have said something before but I can't recall.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:20 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:19 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:18 pm Golden, are we voting for JOH or sig?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:20 pm**

Honestly I'd still rather counter with sig, but I'm listening. I'd like to save Epi at this point I think but I'd rather not save him by throwing dunya or NVN in his place. That means it has to be someone.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:21 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:19 pm Dom, what do you think of JOH and Epi? You may have said something before but I can't recall.

JOH- ???
Epi- slightest civ read

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:21 pm**

Didn't speedchuck say he was going to move his vote from Epi? What happened to that? Where is speedchuck?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:21 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:28 pm [VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine because I don't know where his questioning of Golden's mafia history is going.

hey sir why is that a good justification for a vote

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm**

[VOTE: ] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm**

Kyle, why did you question Golden's mafia history?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm**

[VOTE: ] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:17 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:17 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:09 pm I just isoed Luna. I can see how you might see that as a first-time baddie in a team with dunya. It's within the realms of possibility, but by no means beyond doubt. But as I'm voting for neither of them today, I'll revisit it later.
Has Lunalee only played civ?
I think so? I didn't play Image but seems she was town that game according to JOH. Other than that, she was town in every Burglary I think as well.

Yep, only civ, and one 3P.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:23 pm**

Vote

Lynch

Sig

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:23 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:47 am We got the makings of a bona fide clusterfuck Day 1 here bois

It's like a giant wooden horse.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:23 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:07 pm I have a hard time believing Epi would play like this if he was scum, that's what I can't get past.

I cannot understand why this is an obstacle when it's exactly the kind of thing epi would note down in a mental notebook and use against you. He plays against expectation.

In what world is a bit of discord research a silver bullet?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:23 pm**

[mention]sig[/mention] Who are you on NF ?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:24 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:10 pm I don't know what universe this is, but seeing Dom and I voting for the same person and actually not suspecting each other in any way whatsoever might actually make me cry. This is a first. I know it won't last, but dammit this is great. My oldest rival and I. Towning together. Is it too good to be true?

MP is town, people, he's town - I'm telling you!

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:24 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:23 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:07 pm I have a hard time believing Epi would play like this if he was scum, that's what I can't get past.
I cannot understand why this is an obstacle when it's exactly the kind of thing epi would note down in a mental notebook and use against you. He plays against expectation.

In what world is a bit of discord research a silver bullet?

Fair enough I suppose.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:24 pm**

Hey, Lunalee, I asked you a question about logical fallacies.

Did you miss it?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:24 pm**

Also I keep forgetting to use these vote tags. Not used to that.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:25 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:23 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:07 pm I have a hard time believing Epi would play like this if he was scum, that's what I can't get past.
I cannot understand why this is an obstacle when it's exactly the kind of thing epi would note down in a mental notebook and use against you. He plays against expectation.

In what world is a bit of discord research a silver bullet?

Would do so as good or bad. Remember the days of the posting gimmicks?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:25 pm**

I must leave you all now.

kyle is sus
lunalee is sus
sig is sus

farewell fam

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:26 pm**

Alright, now I'm taking [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] to dinner for her birthday, and then I likely won't be back for a while because celebrating that is of importance. So I'm out of here. Leaving my vote on sig I guess. See you folks later!

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:26 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:18 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:22 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:27 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:17 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:10 pm

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?
nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.
Dom has been mentioned 142 times in Discord, and none of those were comparisons to you.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine
I find this super convincing.
But that's not what she even said? She said that Dom was compared to other players to her. I have had conversations with her in Discord about Dom myself. If Dunya gets lynched, let it be for something not fucking stupid.
I was being sarcastic. I think it’s a dumb accusation and that’s part of why I’m voting Epi.
I wonder how many times you will win by lynching the dumb instead of the bad.

You are my no means dumb and I'm not inclined to hear that as a defensive argument.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:27 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:18 pm Golden, are we voting for JOH or sig?

I think I'll vote for Epi or sig.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:28 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm Kyle, why did you question Golden's mafia history?

cus the information wasn't readily available in a public format, asking him about it was quicker than looking myself.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:31 pm**

plz summarize the case on sig

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:35 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:31 pm plz summarize the case on sig

Looks really town
Baited dom??
Switched from town to vote on nova with minimal explanation

The top one gives context to the third but is also suspicious in and of itself

when does sig ever look town?

In all seriousness, though, I can't vote sig when I'm townreading him, despite the couple of things that bother me - and nova was there to defend sig's vote for him, which is meaningful I think - a vote has enough explanation if the votee can understand it's rationale.

So at least for now, and probably for final, I'm going to [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Epi just slayed in GoC by providing real cases that looked good. His case on dunya is, frankly, basically meaningless but he's acting like it's a silver bullet.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:37 pm**

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:24 pm Hey, Lunalee, I asked you a question about logical fallacies. Did you miss it?

Yep, I missed it. You should tag me when asking a question. You asked about my use of the term logical fallacy? All I meant was that LC's reasoning was erroneous. His vote on Golden should not be dependent on my previous vote on him.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:37 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:47 pm I’m actually leaving my vote on Epi. Mostly because they haven’t posted since I started on page 12ish but I don’t see any compelling reason to vote Dunya or Nova and I don’t feel like Slooneiing with a vote I don’t intend to let sit still to try to make waves.

We are not amused.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:39 pm**

Epi, do you believe Jack's vote on you is genuine?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:39 pm**

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:52 pm And what's the deal with these Epi votes? Guess I should ISO his ass too.

The last person to ISO my ass was left winded.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:40 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:35 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:31 pm plz summarize the case on sig
Switched from town to vote on nova with minimal explanation

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:40 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:40 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:35 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:31 pm plz summarize the case on sig
Switched from town to vote on nova with minimal explanation

That was his nova read before his vote

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:40 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:39 pm Epi, do you believe Jack's vote on you is genuine?

None of the votes on me are genuine.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:42 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:40 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:39 pm Epi, do you believe Jack's vote on you is genuine?
None of the votes on me are genuine.

GENUINEVOTE Epignosis aubergine

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:42 pm**

Just want you to know this is my only post now till deadline, a friend has a flooded basement and needs emergency sump pump help, and I'm on the road now voice to texting this, good luck with the Lynch

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:43 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:05 pm Where even is Epignosis

In the lead.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:43 pm**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:58 pm Switching my vote to Spacedaisy because pretty much her only on topic posts so far are interactions with dunya which include a mild defense, followed by a step back, then a step forward.
Dude, there is a difference between defending someone as civ and confirming their story. I was asked directly by dunya to confirm what she was saying. She asked directly about a conversation between she and I that I did not recall. But since I know I'm not bad, she s unlikely to be lying about that particular point. I have no idea what her affiliaton is, but I have actually confirmed in my messages with dunya on discord and we have had a conversation about various players' play styles and yes Dom was one of them. So lynch her if you want. I have no idea if she is good or bad, but if that is all that you have against her, I can say first hand it is weak. Or lynch me instead, I don't care. Better me than a try hard civ.

Now, I'm going to go enjoy my birthday! See ya

linki @ lunalee: Don't care if it looks scummy. We are talking about a player voting for me that votes himself Day 1 every single game. So why is he voting me now? For weak sauce reasons.

I don't have anything against dunya though.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:44 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:40 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:39 pm Epi, do you believe Jack's vote on you is genuine?
None of the votes on me are genuine.

In GoC, you would say to people 'I'll move my vote if...'

I've given you so many opportunities in this thread to engage with questions I've asked you specifically in meaningful ways. Your responses have declined to actually engage with any of them in a meaningful way. It reminds me of Kyle giving you the runaround.

I didn't outright say 'I won't for you if...', but that's what I was trying to do. Poke or induce you into meaningful content. All of it seems meaningless.

Why are you treating your discord search like a silver bullet and ignoring what everyone else is saying on that point?

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:45 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:28 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm Kyle, why did you question Golden's mafia history?
cus the information wasn't readily available in a public format, asking him about it was quicker than looking myself.

[mention]Dom[/mention] realizing I maybe missed the point of your question, in the Old Times, Golden was a player who I liked playing with because of his civ aptitude as well as the ease at which I could read him since his style was the same as mine. I asked him the questions I did because I wanted to know if this golden was still the same as the golden who conquered 2012's viral videos mafia with me as Rick Roll, meta-wise. because that's how it felt, but if Goldens meta had evolved a bunch then maybe that feeling would be rendered invalid so I needed to ask. golden is my top town read

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:45 pm**

Evil men rejoice when they need no spears or arrows to destroy Epignosis.

Who, by the way, is the only fucker here with a Greek name.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:47 pm**

Moving to sig because I like the voters who've placed votes on him.

Bless you Epignosis.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:47 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:45 pm Evil men rejoice when they need no spears or arrows to destroy Epignosis.

Who, by the way, is the only fucker here with a Greek name.

I'm still convinceable. Convince me.

Posted: **Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:47 pm**

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine because I can at least see the foundation of a case there. I still don’t like the epi case

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