Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Dom]

Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong about Sig since he has no interest in doing so and no one seems to agree with me?

[Long Con]

Eye me all you want

I M P O S T E R !

Also with dom I don’t confuse snark and being bad. Example - he was snarky with LCafter catching him in GoC. Snarky isn’t inherently negative, it’s part of how dom holds feet to the fire.

Thanks for the reminder. I'd vote Dom today.

[Long Con]

Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong about Sig since he has no interest in doing so and no one seems to agree with me?

No way am I getting involved with any of this snippy pedantic fuckery.

[Golden]

Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong about Sig since he has no interest in doing so and no one seems to agree with me?

Many of his posts that don't involve his conversation with you come across as town to me, while a lot of what you are seeing doesn't look great but does remind me of reasons we've mislynched sig in the past. The thing that I find most troubling about sig is the feeling that he might have been trying to bait you, but otherwise I think he's actually looked relatively town this game.

[Tangrowth]

Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong about Sig since he has no interest in doing so and no one seems to agree with me?

I actually think you might be onto something. Sig is just a really tricky player to read; I never can seem to be right about him either. There have been moments on my own throughout the game when I felt like his thought process was genuine.

I do feel like his handling of you though is a bit shaky. That's definitely the weak spot in his ISO.

[Marmot]

Eye me all you want

I M P O S T E R !

Coward.

[Long Con]

The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

[Tangrowth]

Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong about Sig since he has no interest in doing so and no one seems to agree with me?

Many of his posts that don't involve his conversation with you come across as town to me, while a lot of what you are seeing doesn't look great but does remind me of reasons we've mislynched sig in the past. The thing that I find most troubling about sig is the feeling that he might have been trying to bait you, but otherwise I think he's actually looked relatively town this game.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about sig.

[Golden]

I'm going to pick 7 scum out of our playerlist. Gun to head. One for each scum and one for the 3P potential scums. That's an arbitrary number, I know.

Choutas - SCUM
ColinIsCool - SCUM
Dom - TOWN
dunya - TOWN
Epignosis - SCUM
Golden - TOWN
Jackofhearts2005 - TOWN
Kites - TOWN
Kylemii - SCUM
lapluie - SCUM
Long Con - TOWN
Lunalee - TOWN
M Plus 7 - TOWN
MacDougall - TOWN
Marmot - SCUM
novaselinenever - TOWN
Scotty - TOWN
sig - TOWN
Sloonei - TOWN
Spacedaisy - SCUM
speedchuck - TOWN
Turnip Head - SCUM
wolbre04 - TOWN

This is hard when we have so many low posters and so many high posters and not so many in-betweens.

Says he'll pick 7, picks 8. Clearly bad.

If you are trying to GTH seven, why include Daisy?

Also, what's wrong with Kyle?

[Tangrowth]

I suppose the main hesitations I have in joining a sig wagon are (1) he has seemed genuine to me at other instances in this game and (2) due to how many times I've mislynched the guy.

[Lunalee]

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Hmmm... I'm not sure I'm digging what Lunalee is throwing down.

Lunalee, why is dunya genuine exactly? You keep emphasizing that ad nauseum, but Golden, Mac, and I have put as much into the thread as she has, and at some point you even said you didn't buy what I was saying. Explain.

I'm moving my vote there now until I get a response upon which I can reassess.

Dunya has posted a lot. And of what I've read, I see nothing that makes me think she's not legit trying to find baddies.

Golden, Mac, and yourself have put effort into the thread, but I mean, Golden kind of agrees with me:

And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

This doesn't answer my question, sorry.

Let me explain:

As of this moment, Golden is the top poster with 142 posts. I have 120. dunya has 87. Scotty has 86. Sloonei has 77. Mac has 76. You get the idea. dunya is not a sole beacon of effort this game.

Consequently, your read that dunya's effort is leading you to a solid town read of her is confusing to me, especially when you're apparently reading me as shady. Why am I shady? Why don't you have town reads of anyone else in that list?

I realize that dunya is not the sole beacon of effort in this game. You guys have been posting a lot, but I don't really care about post counts. My opinion of dunya is based on the fact that her posts seem to be genuinely helpful for analyzing the game.

As I'm reviewing posts to put my opinion of you and Golden into words, I've found that you seem to be patting each other on the back with town-reads. Just looks a bit suspicious for Golden to "confirm" you as a town read on multiple posts.

I don't have reads of anyone else in that list because right now because I feel like any read I put out is based off minimal data. I'll offer a read if something sticks out to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong about Sig since he has no interest in doing so and no one seems to agree with me?

Sig look bad to me always. I don’t have much to say about cases against him for this reason and he doesn’t convince me you are bad at all.

[Kylemii]

more to the point, what's the deal with novasalinever? *seinfeld voice*

[Tangrowth]

The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?

[Golden]

Jack has very little to say and makes a lot of one-line posts. Then he plants a vote on Epi:

[VOTE: Vote Epignosis] aubergine

Eggplant.

But I don't see him engaging with Epi, or anyone else for that matter. This is an easy vote for a player who is acting strangely.

@Sloonei

I hear a rumor you might be bad this game. Tell me about that rumor.

(I’m happy with my Epi vote btw.)

He poked me last night with rumors of rumors. It went nowhere:

Linki: That’s not what I meant when I said “Tell me about that rumor.”

I’m not bad. Do you have reasons to think I might be?

I haven’t read any of your posts from before the last three or so pages so “not really.”

You have no thoughts on your accusers?

These questions feel directionless and empty. I could vote for Jack. Let's do it. [VOTE: Jackofhearts] aubergine

Does anyone have a sense of how this compares to GoC Jack?

Jack's relative contentlessness is bothering me too. He's being hyper-Marmot.

While I'm on it, town read on marmot. He actually made a reasoned vote.

[Lunalee]

So yeah, I've convinced myself to change my vote to Golden.

[Tangrowth]

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Hmmm... I'm not sure I'm digging what Lunalee is throwing down.

Lunalee, why is dunya genuine exactly? You keep emphasizing that ad nauseum, but Golden, Mac, and I have put as much into the thread as she has, and at some point you even said you didn't buy what I was saying. Explain.

I'm moving my vote there now until I get a response upon which I can reassess.

Dunya has posted a lot. And of what I've read, I see nothing that makes me think she's not legit trying to find baddies.

Golden, Mac, and yourself have put effort into the thread, but I mean, Golden kind of agrees with me:

And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

This doesn't answer my question, sorry.

Let me explain:

As of this moment, Golden is the top poster with 142 posts. I have 120. dunya has 87. Scotty has 86. Sloonei has 77. Mac has 76. You get the idea. dunya is not a sole beacon of effort this game.

Consequently, your read that dunya's effort is leading you to a solid town read of her is confusing to me, especially when you're apparently reading me as shady. Why am I shady? Why don't you have town reads of anyone else in that list?

I realize that dunya is not the sole beacon of effort in this game. You guys have been posting a lot, but I don't really care about post counts. My opinion of dunya is based on the fact that her posts seem to be genuinely helpful for analyzing the game.

As I'm reviewing posts to put my opinion of you and Golden into words, I've found that you seem to be patting each other on the back with town-reads. Just looks a bit suspicious for Golden to "confirm" you as a town read on multiple posts.

I don't have reads of anyone else in that list because right now because I feel like any read I put out is based off minimal data. I'll offer a read if something sticks out to me.

Alright, thanks for elaborating; I suppose that's fair. I'm curious what else you have up your sleeve whenever you get around to it.

[Tangrowth]

So yeah, I've convinced myself to change my vote to Golden.

Wait what

[Dom]

There is not an ounce of me that doesn't think sig was trying to bait me.



I will leave my vote there. I have work in a bit.

[Golden]

more to the point, what's the deal with novasalinever? *seinfeld voice*

Nah, nova looks good. I don't like that there's three votes on him right now. I've still seen nothing compelling, those that know him say he starts quiet. Why does he have three votes?

[novaselinenever]

Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong about Sig since he has no interest in doing so and no one seems to agree with me?

I actually think you might be onto something. Sig is just a really tricky player to read; I never can seem to be right about him either. There have been moments on my own throughout the game when I felt like his thought process was genuine.

I do feel like his handling of you though is a bit shaky. That's definitely the weak spot in his ISO.

How about the forced vote he admitted to ? If you've isoed him I'm sure you've seen his initial meta-read on me. It seems like he changed it in order to justify a vote.

[Golden]

So yeah, I've convinced myself to change my vote to Golden.

lol.

I'm not offended by this in the least. I can see how I might seem buddying.

[Tangrowth]

Golden, talk to me. Where should I vote?

[Tangrowth]

Oh, I suppose I'm buddying Golden openly as well, but specifically in the sense that I think he's town and I want to work with him. I still have no reason to disbelieve he's town at this moment. I don't really care how that makes me look.

[Sloonei]

Keeping up with this thing at work is impossible.

Linki x5.

[Turnip Head]

There is not an ounce of me that doesn't think sig was trying to bait me.



I will leave my vote there. I have work in a bit.

I hear you Dom... I'm just not convinced, at least not yet.

[Dom]

agree with nova tbh

[Tangrowth]

I could move to sig I guess. I just don't feel great about it.

[Golden]

Golden, talk to me. Where should I vote?

Right now, I'm looking at LC, Jack and Epi.

I think the chain on nova is bad. Nova has read as sincere to me.

I think the chain on dunya is... not as bad as nova, but not great. As it stands I'd vote Epi to keep too people I have a much better read on than him, but he's definitely third in that group of three I mentioned.

[Dom]

There is not an ounce of me that doesn't think sig was trying to bait me.



I will leave my vote there. I have work in a bit.

I hear you Dom... I'm just not convinced, at least not yet.

That's fine.
I just don't want to miss some obvious reason why people aren't really agreeing with me.

[Long Con]

The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?

Nothing that big. I was getting suspicious of Golden there, and I can't decide if I should let it go. Then again, now Luna is voting for him, and her judgment in voting me was off. But a person's entitled to make mistakes.

I'm not that suspicious of most others, lots of my reading has been hasty catchup over thoughtful analysis.

I don't understand the nova thing, it seems like randomness.

[Golden]

I've read his ISO thrice. I don't get it. Why the heck are @MacDougall, @sig, and @Turnip Head voting for Nova

I agree with this sentiment.

[Tangrowth]

Golden, talk to me. Where should I vote?

Right now, I'm looking at LC, Jack and Epi.

I think the chain on nova is bad. Nova has read as sincere to me.

I think the chain on dunya is... not as bad as nova, but not great. As it stands I'd vote Epi to keep too people I have a much better read on than him, but he's definitely third in that group of three I mentioned.

What is it about LC and JOH specifically?

[Golden]

The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?

Nothing that big. I was getting suspicious of Golden there, and I can't decide if I should let it go. Then again, now Luna is voting for him, and her judgment in voting me was off. But a person's entitled to make mistakes.

I'm not that suspicious of most others, lots of my reading has been hasty catchup over thoughtful analysis.

I don't understand the nova thing, it seems like randomness.

I don't see what Luna voting me has to do with your own opinion of me. She's no more likely to be wrong about me as a result of being wrong about you. She's no more likely to be wrong about you as a result of being wrong about me.

[Long Con]

I guess I'd label them pressure votes?

[Tangrowth]

What do people think of Turnip Head and Mac?

[Long Con]

The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?

Nothing that big. I was getting suspicious of Golden there, and I can't decide if I should let it go. Then again, now Luna is voting for him, and her judgment in voting me was off. But a person's entitled to make mistakes.

I'm not that suspicious of most others, lots of my reading has been hasty catchup over thoughtful analysis.

I don't understand the nova thing, it seems like randomness.

I don't see what Luna voting me has to do with your own opinion of me. She's no more likely to be wrong about me as a result of being wrong about you. She's no more likely to be wrong about you as a result of being wrong about me.

Yeah, I know. I was just kidding around a little.

[Golden]

Golden, talk to me. Where should I vote?

Right now, I'm looking at LC, Jack and Epi.

I think the chain on nova is bad. Nova has read as sincere to me.

I think the chain on dunya is... not as bad as nova, but not great. As it stands I'd vote Epi to keep too people I have a much better read on than him, but he's definitely third in that group of three I mentioned.

What is it about LC and JOH specifically?

I'm trusting my gut. I get really *off* vibes from LC, and when I've trusted them in the past they've paid off. I'm not certain by any means, normally I like a few phases to read him for sure, but I feel much better about it than any of the other things that have been going on.

Jack it's just that so much of his content is flippant and meaningless.

[Tangrowth]

The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?

Nothing that big. I was getting suspicious of Golden there, and I can't decide if I should let it go. Then again, now Luna is voting for him, and her judgment in voting me was off. But a person's entitled to make mistakes.

I'm not that suspicious of most others, lots of my reading has been hasty catchup over thoughtful analysis.

I don't understand the nova thing, it seems like randomness.

Cool, thanks.

[Golden]

Speedchuck seems town to me. I'm booking it in.

[Long Con]

What do people think of Turnip Head and Mac?

Turnip Head seems like a fine chap, I don't see any way I'll vote for him. Mac... hard guy to read, and the truth is that I get influenced by other peoples' reads sometimes. Some folks have given very strong Civ reads of him, and it makes me say "oh, is he being really Civvish? Ok!" And he rises higher on my mental rainbow list.

[Tangrowth]

Golden, talk to me. Where should I vote?

Right now, I'm looking at LC, Jack and Epi.

I think the chain on nova is bad. Nova has read as sincere to me.

I think the chain on dunya is... not as bad as nova, but not great. As it stands I'd vote Epi to keep too people I have a much better read on than him, but he's definitely third in that group of three I mentioned.

What is it about LC and JOH specifically?

I'm trusting my gut. I get really *off* vibes from LC, and when I've trusted them in the past they've paid off. I'm not certain by any means, normally I like a few phases to read him for sure, but I feel much better about it than any of the other things that have been going on.

Jack it's just that so much of his content is flippant and meaningless.

I suppose my gut isn't really telling me much of anything about either one of them. I'd say I feel about null.

I still would probably rather vote off these leading wagons though; like you, I'd most prefer Epi but even then I feel like his wagon kinda sucks. He hasn't really done that much worthy of suspicion, and what little he has (his dunya thoughts) seem too careless for scum Epi.

[Golden]

By Zeus, I have to start getting ready for work. I'll try to follow along, at least with the poll, but I can't promise any activity the rest of the day. I'll leave my vote on Jack for now and I encourage discussion of him and everyone else. It's been a big and busy Day 1, keep that up as the deadline approaches.

I will say that jack seems different from his pregnancy in GoC but is it enoug to make him scum? I dunno

First of all, congrats on the big news, Jack! Is it a boy or girl?

Second, in what way does he seem different to you?

I’ve brought this up before, and you’ve already touched on it. He seems silly and his investment is quite casual. I’m not sure if he’s just trying a different technique or what, but he was poking his nose in closets that didn’t need to be opened in GoC. Here it’s like he just lit a Yankee Doodle candle because he doesn’t feel like smelling cat hair

Yeah, this describes well how I feel about Jack so far.

[Long Con]

Golden, talk to me. Where should I vote?

Right now, I'm looking at LC, Jack and Epi.

I think the chain on nova is bad. Nova has read as sincere to me.

I think the chain on dunya is... not as bad as nova, but not great. As it stands I'd vote Epi to keep too people I have a much better read on than him, but he's definitely third in that group of three I mentioned.

What is it about LC and JOH specifically?

I'm trusting my gut. I get really *off* vibes from LC, and when I've trusted them in the past they've paid off.

Not really. People love to vibe me wrong, and it tickles me.

[Lunalee]

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The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?

Nothing that big. I was getting suspicious of Golden there, and I can't decide if I should let it go.

Then again, now Luna is voting for him, and her judgment in voting me was off.

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But a person's entitled to make mistakes.

I'm not that suspicious of most others, lots of my reading has been hasty catchup over thoughtful analysis.

I don't understand the nova thing, it seems like randomness.

Your logical fallacy here is cracking me up.

[Epignosis]

But your vote is currently on him.

Weird how I was inactive and people discussed my meta.

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?

nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.

Dom has been mentioned 142 times in Discord, and none of those were comparisons to you.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

I find this super convincing.

That s not what she said Epi. She said that someone has had a conversation with her on discord in which the comparison between Dom and other were made. The "to me" meant, it was said to me. Not that Dom was compared to other players and compared to her.

I don't think she would have called on me to verify this had happened if she was making shit up. It would only make sense to do that if I were on her team and were to immediately come in and say yes, can confirm. Which is not what happened here at all. I can't recall the conversation but she and I have had many conversations since we met and it would not surprise me one bit if we had such a conversation. And frequently our conversations are in between just she and I, by DM. So you can't say unequivocally this conversation did not occur. I can't say I recall the exact conversation she is referring to, but I believe she is telling the truth because it's the only way her request to me makes any sense. I think this is a load of bullcrap case personally.

That's what I meant. Here's an edit:

Dom has been mentioned 142 times in Discord, and none of those were conversations to you that was comparing Dom to others.

[Long Con]

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The thing about sig is, I'm not voting for him. The thing about Epi is, I can't read him for shit, but I'm not going to throw a vote at him for a possible mislynch, or more likely, a wasted vote when he decides he doesn't feel like being lynched and makes you all vote somewhere else.

Hey LC, do you have any notable reads other than dunya? And what specifically in her post history is what led you to not believe her; like, if you were trying to convince me that she's bad news, what would should I consider then?

Nothing that big. I was getting suspicious of Golden there, and I can't decide if I should let it go.

Then again, now Luna is voting for him, and her judgment in voting me was off.

Spoiler: show

But a person's entitled to make mistakes.

I'm not that suspicious of most others, lots of my reading has been hasty catchup over thoughtful analysis.

I don't understand the nova thing, it seems like randomness.

Your logical fallacy here is cracking me up.

I thought it was fun.

[Spacedaisy]

Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Golden]

Epi, what about things that aren't discord research?

[Tangrowth]

Part of my problem is I feel I have a lot of difficulty discerning whether flippant and silly behavior, especially this early, is genuine or not. Back in the first few years of my mafia experience, as town I used to always get my panties in a bunch about that kind of behavior because I've always preferred the serious and intense approach to Day 1, but those crusades against players for acting silly usually didn't end well (again, "weird" isn't "bad") and not everyone plays like me.