Solar System Mafia [END]

[Porscha]

Idk, last minute switches or CFDs usually throw me off, makes me want to eyeball it as wolfy. But then, what logic would a wolf find in doing it and get eyeballed for it, is what I’m pondering.

Why do you say jumping off a wagon that will prove a mislynch is a “good thing” or how do you read it as a town move?

I don't read it as town. I'm saying that it might be perceived as town by the thread because Porscha's vote didn't land on the mislim.

What's your (level 1) take, then?

I didn't like it and thought it could be trying not to get her hands dirty. Specifically I didn't like that Porscha voiced disagreement about my reasons for townreading PSV without vocally pushing PSV at the time and then got off at the last minute.

Without pushing vocally PSV at what time, more exactly? Cause vote-wise she was with the vote almost all the way through.

The EoD stretch after PSV returned.

She got townier when she played the game idk what to tell you lol

[Porscha]

Porscha's EoD:

wouldnt a zenon flashwagon be funny

so originally you just thought it would be funny to flashwagon Zenon?

its funny I actually feel like the game in general has been very wolfy feeling

I'm almost unsold on psv but I certainly don't think rico is wolfier so i'm not trying to go there

After pushing PSV all day you start talking yourself out of it only 10 minutes before the elim ends.

like tbh I came in and made a big stink about how I was no longer the person psv was describing me to be day 1 before they really said anything much, so it would have been hard for them to keep pushing me the same way

Literally this really is you noticing that someone noticed your game play so you started posting more and giving more. Why? Just bc PSV brought it up? Were you nervous others might notice and join PSV with their suspicion?

ew i'm getting cold feet

This was posted after my vote. Ewww to you too <3
4 minutes until the elim ends.

something feels off
we should have went zenon

We should have went Zenon bc it would be funny to flashwagon her?

I voted zenon

The last two posts were made within seconds of each other with 3 minutes left to go.

Yeah bit messy here at EoD.

(This was the post I meant to quote) ((and I had another thing to say)) when I asked wouldnt it be funny to flash wagon zenon, that was me already wishing she was cw cuz I was growing skeptical of my psv read and wouldnt go rico

[Porscha]

Side note, rico is beating my ass in a mafia game via pocketing or he is very towny

Please weigh on this if you feel called to

[Porscha]

Where I'm at right now:
Town:
Zenon
Splints
Roxy
PoE:
Falcon
Porscha
Rico

Holy crap how am I top town

I had a lot of town pings from you - in addition to the early ones I mentioned before and the you/Splints fight, I thought you wanting to die and be resolved at EoD was more likely to come from town.

She didnt actually want to die or be resolved, she didnt even vote herself

This is probs why you're alive and epi isnt

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Zenon ISO:

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

If this vote is boiled down to omgus i will lose my mind

I thought this was towny - she’s drawing attention to herself and wanting people to take her vote seriously.

@zenon pls come save me

Oh BTW Rondo is town just wrong so like that's a thing.

Maybe not wrong on everything though. I'll figure that out. Kinda agree Lemon looks bad at this point in my catch up.

Switch to thinking Rondo is wrong town. This could go either way, it could be realizing Rondo isn’t pushable or thinking his stream of posting is towny.

Caught up

[VOTE: Splints] aubergine

Votes Splints when she was inactive d1.

Lemon as town lives in omgus and bases the entirety of her play around how she perceives treatment of her slot and pushes on her. She knows she's lhf and that wolfs will abuse that and she hyperfocuses on "omgus" to find wolfs but really she's just using lessons about how wolfs treated her in the past to find the wolfs pushing lhf Lemon when she knows she's town

I hard pushed her for it a few times before realizing that it's towny for her and generally accurate in that wolfs will usually push her.



Wolf Lemon you'd think could easily fake this. I... don't remember if I've ever seen wolf Lemon in person though.

Defense of Lemon. I think this is somewhat towny.

Epignosis - vibe read town but don't remember much content wise

falcon45ca - Falcon is hard to read because he plays the game so like nonchalant so I always think he's town but he's snowed me twice so I'm being more cautious and his game play is reminding me of a recent wolf rand

potentialsheltervet - I have recently read psv wrong which is giving me pause because I'm uninspired by their play but I was in that game too

Ricochet - tonally and game play wise i just town read here but I'm not aware enough of the player to be wholly confident they couldn't fake it

Roxy - I consistently wolf read Roxy. I'm consistently wrong. I wolf read Roxy.

Thunal33 - tonally and game play wise i just town read here but I'm not aware enough of the player to be wholly confident they couldn't fake it

A lot of focus on past games and avoiding mistakes in this list which I think looks fairly good.

What do you have to say about Roxy banning a finger vote?

The reasons were bad and I'm not moving

For context, Roxy not wanting to vote Splints was because Splints was putting her daughter to sleep. I don’t like this dismissal of Roxy’s post without actually looking into Roxy for it.

Like this is just incorrect. If Rondo is hard pushing townies there's no reason to kill him he's loud and town will listen. And he was pushing townies. It's literally not insane to think this way.

Sauce: me. I'm good at woofin.

At EoD Rondo townread Epi, me, and Porscha and sussed Zenon, Lemon, and to some extent Splints. I think this at least lines up with Zenon pushing Splints.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

AtE isn't towny and I'm not gonna apologize for voting it.

You voting me for bad reasons and immediately bailing when my wagon gained traction is wolfy because I know I'm gonna flip town. You're scared to sit on me.

Zenon put Roxy at L-2 because she believed Roxy’s expression of emotion was wolfy. I noticed that Zenon didn’t apply this consistently. She expressed emotion herself but didn’t change her stance. Splints expressed emotion but Zenon didn’t wolfread that.

Town

fingersplints
Porscha
Thunal33
Zenon

Town ish

Epignosis
potentialsheltervet
Ricochet
Roxy

Not town idk

falcon45ca

Meh I can't find footing this game I hate this

Safe readslist, but I wonder if it's *too* safe to come from a wolf. I think w!Zenon would know that only suspecting the lowest poster wouldn't be a good look.

I'm town. I think this push is bad. Weather it's bad and mafia or not I have no fucking clue.

This conviction of being in the right during the Zenon/Splints fight and really wanting to defend herself I thought looked towny for Zenon.

I think the way he joined and left my wagon was wolfy

Zenon’s suspicion of Rico didn’t have a lot of reasoning.

I'm kinda really not in a mentally good place right now but not cause of this game... but it is effecting this game and I think the game state and thread vibes improve with me dead

While I have seen a wolf ask to be voted, I think it comes more often from town.

Potentially flipping Rico blows this game wide open

I don’t agree with this statement or Zenon wanting to vote Rico and I find that wolves sometimes take advantage of someone’s status of “needing to be resolved” which gave me doubt about Zenon.

Self doubt is back

Then she doubts it after. I’m not really sure what to make of that.

I don't townread Zenon as much as I did coming into today. The town pings I got are still valid, like her treatment of the Splints fight and her early handling of the game. I still don't like her handling of Rico today and it feels almost too consistent. What doesn't make a lot of sense to me in a Zenon town world is why she didn't apply the same logic of emotion being wolfy to Splints that she did to Roxy. @Zenon can you answer this?

As with all things in mafia you have to make a judgement on if it's real or not. I found splints reaction more real than Roxys at the time

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario

Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.

But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself

I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?

No I can't see this world by reading the game it exists on the knowledge that someone who isn't dead is town. They know that I do not.

[Porscha]

psv's push on me is just a pocket attempt on thunal who keeps randomly and loudly proclaiming that i'm polarized but supposedly unable to see how i'm towny at all so thunal is probably town

As an aside, people have got to give me some kudos for not bringing the adverb tell into this.

the last quote got messed up on my epi EoD.

People who haven't played with Epi may not realize he caught many baddies with the old "adverb tell". I should have paid him way more attention than I did.

He feels Porscha was bad bc of the use of the adverbs.

To be fair the adverbs are just the reasoning for the bolded. I could have said "psv push on me is an attempt to pocket tbunal, so tbunal is town" and the follow up question will be "why do you think that" and my response will be "cuz psv keeps randomly and loudly proclaiming I'm polarized but is supposedly unable to see how I've been towny "

So I'm just condensing and moving the conversation along faster

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm currently working on a Zenon ISO but I'll pop in to say voting for info, policy, or any reason other than voting the most likely wolf in f7 is a good way to lose the game. The best way to get info is to flip a wolf.

I win FX for a reason. I'm very good at it.

As wolf?

Didn’t you blew up the lylo in Secret Mafia with a snap vote, am I remembering incorrectly?

I have won more than I've lost I don't remember that game lol

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think I am concerned with Roxy and rico the most from reading epi and like
Rico was cw
And roxy jumped on my pewr tmi read on psv

But also zenon exists idk

Sip sip

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

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Hello. Will you lead a misexe on me today but unvote at the last second?

I mean if you keep being wolfy yeah I might lol

Dope. Why am I wolfy?

[Porscha]

Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario

Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.

But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself

I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?

No I can't see this world by reading the game it exists on the knowledge that someone who isn't dead is town. They know that I do not.

Reword pls

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".

Okay yeah we agree on this

Tell ya what get me to L - 1 and I'll hammer myself

[Porscha]

I think I am concerned with Roxy and rico the most from reading epi and like
Rico was cw
And roxy jumped on my pewr tmi read on psv

But also zenon exists idk

Sip sip

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

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Hello. Will you lead a misexe on me today but unvote at the last second?

I mean if you keep being wolfy yeah I might lol

Dope. Why am I wolfy?

Me still reading but have to leave for work, not entirely sure atm, but from previously I think your scuffle with fs isnt ai for you, I dont feel you've been solving me literally all game, your vote on me today with no critical thought is ???? Etc

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Where I'm at right now:
Town:
Zenon
Splints
Roxy
PoE:
Falcon
Porscha
Rico

Holy crap how am I top town

I had a lot of town pings from you - in addition to the early ones I mentioned before and the you/Splints fight, I thought you wanting to die and be resolved at EoD was more likely to come from town.

She didnt actually want to die or be resolved, she didnt even vote herself

This is probs why you're alive and epi isnt

Extremely untrue. And I don't believe any of this is anything other than taking advantage of my status in this game.

I wanted to die. I won't vote myself for it in most cases though.

[Porscha]

Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".

Okay yeah we agree on this

Tell ya what get me to L - 1 and I'll hammer myself

Oh NOW you offer to hammer yourself after I said you hadn't done that

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario

Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.

But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself

I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?

No I can't see this world by reading the game it exists on the knowledge that someone who isn't dead is town. They know that I do not.

Reword pls

Rico hypothetical requires Rico to be town

He knows his role. I do not and can not without flip.

[Roxy]

Spoiler: show

falcon's EoD:


Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

Howdy, what have I missed?9

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I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'




I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?

Psv

Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv

I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed

If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question

Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

Town reads change as the game progresses...and you're totally ignoring the progression here and just acting as tho it just happened out of thin air.





@Zenon Why do I call you Neon?

I get why you may call Zenon, Neon but my point still stands you voted for them for no reason I could find. You voted 3 different people. As I am reading the thread it did not feel organic nor did you stay with your own case on splints. Instead you sheeped your vote and did the read back on iso's as Porscha had demanded you do. It's this progression I did feel came from a townie with their mind set on winning the game.

[Porscha]

Where I'm at right now:
Town:
Zenon
Splints
Roxy
PoE:
Falcon
Porscha
Rico

Holy crap how am I top town

I had a lot of town pings from you - in addition to the early ones I mentioned before and the you/Splints fight, I thought you wanting to die and be resolved at EoD was more likely to come from town.

She didnt actually want to die or be resolved, she didnt even vote herself

This is probs why you're alive and epi isnt

Extremely untrue. And I don't believe any of this is anything other than taking advantage of my status in this game.

I wanted to die. I won't vote myself for it in most cases though.

In my experience that is an untrue statement lol you'll vote yourself any day of the week usually
But you're also not usually in a 2 man wolf game

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".

Okay yeah we agree on this

Tell ya what get me to L - 1 and I'll hammer myself

Oh NOW you offer to hammer yourself after I said you hadn't done that

I live to hammer I'd do it for anyone

[Porscha]

Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario

Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.

But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself

I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?

No I can't see this world by reading the game it exists on the knowledge that someone who isn't dead is town. They know that I do not.

Reword pls

Rico hypothetical requires Rico to be town

He knows his role. I do not and can not without flip.

Thank yew

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

falcon's EoD:


Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

Howdy, what have I missed?9

Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'




I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?

Psv

Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv

I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed

If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question

Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

Town reads change as the game progresses...and you're totally ignoring the progression here and just acting as tho it just happened out of thin air.





@Zenon Why do I call you Neon?

Presumably cause it was my name for months

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Where I'm at right now:
Town:
Zenon
Splints
Roxy
PoE:
Falcon
Porscha
Rico

Holy crap how am I top town

I had a lot of town pings from you - in addition to the early ones I mentioned before and the you/Splints fight, I thought you wanting to die and be resolved at EoD was more likely to come from town.

She didnt actually want to die or be resolved, she didnt even vote herself

This is probs why you're alive and epi isnt

Extremely untrue. And I don't believe any of this is anything other than taking advantage of my status in this game.

I wanted to die. I won't vote myself for it in most cases though.

In my experience that is an untrue statement lol you'll vote yourself any day of the week usually
But you're also not usually in a 2 man wolf game

Depends how upset I am. Here I'm not upset I just think it's best for me to die and other things in my life are taking precedent over this game

[Ricochet]

Nobody other than two wolves knows my alignment. It’s not about trusting me, it’s about reading me town or wolf - and it wolf, do you have the arguments? - or to consider me so deep in PoE that I need elimination - do you? - or at least to think my flip will get you good info to push the game forward - again, do you?

[Thunal33]

Before i finish my EoD's:


@Thunal33 would like to know who you think is mafia?
GTH 2 people.

Porscha and Falcon, with an outside chance of Splints.

[Thunal33]

Idk, last minute switches or CFDs usually throw me off, makes me want to eyeball it as wolfy. But then, what logic would a wolf find in doing it and get eyeballed for it, is what I’m pondering.

Why do you say jumping off a wagon that will prove a mislynch is a “good thing” or how do you read it as a town move?

I don't read it as town. I'm saying that it might be perceived as town by the thread because Porscha's vote didn't land on the mislim.

What's your (level 1) take, then?

I didn't like it and thought it could be trying not to get her hands dirty. Specifically I didn't like that Porscha voiced disagreement about my reasons for townreading PSV without vocally pushing PSV at the time and then got off at the last minute.

Without pushing vocally PSV at what time, more exactly? Cause vote-wise she was with the vote almost all the way through.

The EoD stretch after PSV returned.

She got townier when she played the game idk what to tell you lol

What specifically did you find towny from her EoD posts?

[Thunal33]

falcon's EoD:


Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

Howdy, what have I missed?9

Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'




I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?

Psv

Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

I think Lemon sounds better in catchup. I think Roxy sounds "okay." I feel like FS has given absolutely zero content that I can recall but I should probably check her iso. I feel less good about Epi than I did previously.
Thunal imo is pretty safe and towny.
For those saying this is typical Rondo play, what is he like as scum?

I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv

I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed

If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question

Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

That implied TMI thing makes no sense to me, and Falcon sheeping it isn't good. @falcon45ca why did you think asking about Rondo's scum game was implied TMI?

[Thunal33]

What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.

[falcon45ca]

falcon's EoD:


Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

Howdy, what have I missed?9

Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'




I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?

Psv

Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv

I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed

If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question

Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

That implied TMI thing makes no sense to me, and Falcon sheeping it isn't good. @falcon45ca why did you think asking about Rondo's scum game was implied TMI?

I mean, it makes sense to me that "as a wolf" implies that they're not a wolf this game.

[falcon45ca]

Spoiler: show

falcon's EoD:


Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'




I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?

Psv

Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed

If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question

Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

Town reads change as the game progresses...and you're totally ignoring the progression here and just acting as tho it just happened out of thin air.





@Zenon Why do I call you Neon?

I get why you may call Zenon, Neon but my point still stands you voted for them for no reason I could find. You voted 3 different people. As I am reading the thread it did not feel organic nor did you stay with your own case on splints. Instead you sheeped your vote and did the read back on iso's as Porscha had demanded you do. It's this progression I did feel came from a townie with their mind set on winning the game.

[VOTE: fingers] aubergine



Yeah, I don't know who the Maf are, so I'm looking for something

[fingersplints]

Rico looking a bit better today based on his solving, but it also make me wary because just hosted a game where spf lasted a while just with a high volume of “solving”. going to have to think about him and if I find it genuine

[fingersplints]

Spoiler: show

falcon's EoD:


Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'




I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?

Psv

Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question

Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!



[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

Town reads change as the game progresses...and you're totally ignoring the progression here and just acting as tho it just happened out of thin air.





@Zenon Why do I call you Neon?

I get why you may call Zenon, Neon but my point still stands you voted for them for no reason I could find. You voted 3 different people. As I am reading the thread it did not feel organic nor did you stay with your own case on splints. Instead you sheeped your vote and did the read back on iso's as Porscha had demanded you do. It's this progression I did feel came from a townie with their mind set on winning the game.

[VOTE: fingers] aubergine



Yeah, I don't know who the Maf are, so I'm looking for something

Looking in the wrong place

[fingersplints]

There are a few points I liked earlier when skimming, that I’ll have to look back and see what it was. Involved Epi’s past reads. I usually have more of a think about who was killed and why but I haven’t really had much time to give that much thought this game. So would like to revisit that

[Roxy]

What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.

but.....
They *both* were saying it was past game play that they each found a baddie tone in.

[Roxy]

Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.



[VOTE: fingers] aubergine

I am concerned with some of the people pushing it. I dislike it every game I play. Not everyone who is pushing it will be bad though, so it’s figuring out who is pushing it because they always do, or if they are pushing it for an easy elim.

Can you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus them

I think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.

@Thunal33

[fingersplints]

What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.

but.....
They *both* were saying it was past game play that they each found a baddie tone in.

Yea, I definitely have my reasons to suspect Zenon. I hate that we had a fight and it boiled over so publicly. I should have been stronger to address any grievances I had privately and less emotionally, and I do regret that. It was a shit move on my part and I hate it. I still think they are mafia even if I dislike how I went about it

[Thunal33]

I mean, it makes sense to me that "as a wolf" implies that they're not a wolf this game.

I still never thought asking how someone plays as a wolf means that they're not a wolf this game but I kind of see how it could be seen that way.

[Thunal33]

Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.



[VOTE: fingers] aubergine

I am concerned with some of the people pushing it. I dislike it every game I play. Not everyone who is pushing it will be bad though, so it’s figuring out who is pushing it because they always do, or if they are pushing it for an easy elim.

Can you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus them

I think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.

@Thunal33

I know she said Zenon was similar but she never said why Zenon was similar and she wasn't expanding or reinforcing that point. As far as the past mafia chat, I knew she took issue with Zenon saying she was scared but I missed that she said it was wolfy. I still feel like her reasoning on Rico was more solid than her reasoning on Zenon and this post was prompted rather than splints saying it on her own because she wanted to convince others.

[Thunal33]

To expand on that, Splints spent a lot of posts defending herself against being misrepped and saying Zenon is wrong but not a lot saying Zenon is wolfy.

[falcon45ca]

To expand on that, Splints spent a lot of posts defending herself against being misrepped and saying Zenon is wrong but not a lot saying Zenon is wolfy.

I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

[Thunal33]

To expand on that, Splints spent a lot of posts defending herself against being misrepped and saying Zenon is wrong but not a lot saying Zenon is wolfy.

I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

I disagree on that one. I think their fight was too personal and seemed very unplanned so I don't think they'd do it as w/w.

[falcon45ca]

To expand on that, Splints spent a lot of posts defending herself against being misrepped and saying Zenon is wrong but not a lot saying Zenon is wolfy.

I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

I disagree on that one. I think their fight was too personal and seemed very unplanned so I don't think they'd do it as w/w.

Well, it wouldn't be very good distancing if it looked like distancing, would it?

[fingersplints]

To expand on that, Splints spent a lot of posts defending herself against being misrepped and saying Zenon is wrong but not a lot saying Zenon is wolfy.

I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

Me vs zenon is kid gloves?!?! Jfc I don’t ever want to be in a game you think is serious then. I feel sick over my reaction to zenon. This isn’t a play. I hate this. I’m left the rest of this game regretting my outburst

[fingersplints]

Is falcon just stirring the pot? Because I don’t se how anyone can see what happens with me and zenon and call it w/w? That’s just crazy

[falcon45ca]

To expand on that, Splints spent a lot of posts defending herself against being misrepped and saying Zenon is wrong but not a lot saying Zenon is wolfy.

I've got mild tinfoil that they're w/w actually. They're both kinda using kid's gloves on each other, not pushing each other really

Me vs zenon is kid gloves?!?! Jfc I don’t ever want to be in a game you think is serious then. I feel sick over my reaction to zenon. This isn’t a play. I hate this. I’m left the rest of this game regretting my outburst

I was raised by wolves

[Ricochet]

I mean, it makes sense to me that "as a wolf" implies that they're not a wolf this game.

This makes no sense to me. People ask plenty of time what's X's wolf meta.

I think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.

This meta ping would make more sense to me if Zenon behaved like this in the previous game as well - i.e. her misconstruing being a pattern of how she appeals to or accuses players when wolf.
Yet it doesn't sound like your profiling her as such, the accusation seems to be based solely on the infighting that happened in this game.

In short, I still don't sense how you convert(ed) "Zenon made me look worse using meta" into Zenon is wolf when doing that.

[falcon45ca]

I mean, it makes sense to me that "as a wolf" implies that they're not a wolf this game.

This makes no sense to me. People ask plenty of time what's X's wolf meta.


Then how do you feel about Porscha?

[falcon45ca]

Is falcon just stirring the pot? Because I don’t se how anyone can see what happens with me and zenon and call it w/w? That’s just crazy

Ironically, this is just pot stirring. Where's your vote? Do you TR myself, or Neon?

[Ricochet]

I mean, it makes sense to me that "as a wolf" implies that they're not a wolf this game.

This makes no sense to me. People ask plenty of time what's X's wolf meta.

Then how do you feel about Porscha?

On reasoning alone, at best an "a-ha" moment that could have made sense to her; otherwise, more sketchy.

On voting, I still don't get why wolf would wagon for so long, knowing it's a town mislynch (and a counterwagon mislynch - yeah, I know, that's just my own knowledge), and bail last minute. It's already sparked views that it's wolfy, so why bring heat based on that?

Probably a bit reverse psych, but idk, I'd stay put as wolf and face the scrutiny of my voting rather than my flaking.

[Ricochet]

I know it's pure policy, but on Splints / Zenon infighting, I'm prepared to say it's not a wolf team. There is bussing, there is distancing, there is sub-optimal teamwork, but Syndicate cultivates camaraderie and planning in most factions that know each other and work together. And Splints is especially old school Syndicate culture. This would be the most egregious kind of distancing, if it proves to be w/w, and if so, I'm willing to take the loss and move on from such an ugly tactic.

The only thing giving me pause is Splints' planting an early vote on Zenon, with no good reasoning (yes, I'm inclined to still think it so), even following their fighting. I don't think wolf Splints would have wanted to wake up to the realization that she lost her teammate on a planted vote.

[Ricochet]

Sorry, fixed quotes, I think.

I mean, it makes sense to me that "as a wolf" implies that they're not a wolf this game.

This makes no sense to me. People ask plenty of time what's X's wolf meta.

Then how do you feel about Porscha?

On reasoning alone, at best an "a-ha" moment that could have made sense to her; otherwise, more sketchy.

On voting, I still don't get why wolf would wagon for so long, knowing it's a town mislynch (and a counterwagon mislynch - yeah, I know, that's just my own knowledge), and bail last minute. It's already sparked views that it's wolfy, so why bring heat based on that?

Probably a bit reverse psych, but idk, I'd stay put as wolf and face the scrutiny of my voting rather than my flaking.

[Porscha]

I don't read it as town. I'm saying that it might be perceived as town by the thread because Porscha's vote didn't land on the mislim.

What's your (level 1) take, then?

I didn't like it and thought it could be trying not to get her hands dirty. Specifically I didn't like that Porscha voiced disagreement about my reasons for townreading PSV without vocally pushing PSV at the time and then got off at the last minute.

Without pushing vocally PSV at what time, more exactly? Cause vote-wise she was with the vote almost all the way through.

The EoD stretch after PSV returned.

She got townier when she played the game idk what to tell you lol

What specifically did you find towny from her EoD posts?

The way she responded to my tmi accusation worried me and she was very lackadaisical. A wolf doesnt big chill in the position she was in