The Syndicate

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:45 pm btw robyn I completely forgot you were in that game as derpy nemo thank you for the reminder.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:05 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:02 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:01 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:59 pm Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

me/wwa/leetic are town

solve from here

if you’re unsure of any name i’ve listed, read their iso and all shall become obvious

yes, i am telling you what to think

mac's town too

yes he's towny
yes he can play like this as wolf
yes reading him like town off this is like rolling the dice on one of the strongest wolves here

tldr you need to see more from him, ie results

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:53 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:05 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:02 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:01 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:59 pm Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

me/wwa/leetic are town

solve from here

if you’re unsure of any name i’ve listed, read their iso and all shall become obvious

yes, i am telling you what to think

mac's town too

yes he's towny
yes he can play like this as wolf
yes reading him like town off this is like rolling the dice on one of the strongest wolves here

tldr you need to see more from him, ie results

isn't that what I said

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:42 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:28 pm
hum, i thought i'd made that clear as well - because the way you were making that vote felt disproportionate to how you had reacted earlier and it stuck me as possible you were scum responding in an overly defensive manner to an accusation. i asked you about your thought process to get you to elaborate. You provided an explanation I found satisfactory and quelled any paranoia on my part.

i think questioning someone's reasoning on a vote is entirely valid for scumhunting, yeah?

Certainly, but I made that vote literally when the voting opened, and given dizzy's sole contribution at that point was a driveby accusation of me I would think it should be self evident why. I'm not sure like... what you were expecting, overnight I was thinking about Gira scum worlds and wondering if you were serving me up a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" kind of deal trying to will into existence a stronger read than I actually had. This is pretty relevant in dizzy town worlds. But now you have dizzy and I both town which goes against that.

Obviously I am not going to get you to examine worlds where yourself is scum so I'm not actually sure where I'm ending up with this. But perhaps the process will be helpful for process reader people.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:44 pm @Gira if you were mafia, who would u push

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:13 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:42 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:28 pm
hum, i thought i'd made that clear as well - because the way you were making that vote felt disproportionate to how you had reacted earlier and it stuck me as possible you were scum responding in an overly defensive manner to an accusation. i asked you about your thought process to get you to elaborate. You provided an explanation I found satisfactory and quelled any paranoia on my part.

i think questioning someone's reasoning on a vote is entirely valid for scumhunting, yeah?

Certainly, but I made that vote literally when the voting opened, and given dizzy's sole contribution at that point was a driveby accusation of me I would think it should be self evident why. I'm not sure like... what you were expecting, overnight I was thinking about Gira scum worlds and wondering if you were serving me up a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" kind of deal trying to will into existence a stronger read than I actually had. This is pretty relevant in dizzy town worlds. But now you have dizzy and I both town which goes against that.

Obviously I am not going to get you to examine worlds where yourself is scum so I'm not actually sure where I'm ending up with this. But perhaps the process will be helpful for process reader people.

lol okay you're fun

i guess i'll go pull quotes just toshow what i was thinking, content behind spoilers

Spoiler: show

you ignored dizzy the first time he called you wolfmilia, The second time went like this:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:05 pmWolfmilla.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:36 pm Let Dizzy cook.

which is a pretty mild/flippant reaction. that was followed by this response to robyn:

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:33 pm >Who's a wolf you'd shoot right now if you could?

Dizzy

which was a little surprising given you didn't have much reaction to him prior to that. your explanation given to TSP was this:

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:48 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:39 pm Do I believe that Ran believes Dizzy is a wolf and would shoot him right now?

It's selfish, but every game there's some handful of people who just shout "wolfmilia!" and I give them way too much good faith, and then they just end up being like one townie and all the wolves. So I've resolved to stop doing that as much. Also it's uncharacteristic of dizzy as either alignment to be this flaccid.
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and then of course you opened the day by voting him.

and i wanted to track your thinking here, because it looked to me like you weren't reacting to diz like you thought he was scummy at first, but sometimes thinking can change over time, so I wanted to see why/when you decided to vote him.

hopefuly actually seeing the posts i was looking at makes it make sense?

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robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:44 pm @Gira if you were mafia, who would u push

idk probably rondo or something, i'd just go for whoever is the safest target, maybe pyxxy because i could probably get away with it. pushing mac would be a deathwish, i can't push wind because doing so would functionally out me, leetic would probably be fun to argue with but he's the type of player where as scum you let him tear apart the town for you, and i would probably try to avoid insomnia so that would limit my options pretty strongly.

i finished a recent scumgame on the org where i played like pure trash if you actually care about meta, was basically impossible for me to find a good push

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:17 pm I do find the tedxtr wagon a bit weird, none of the three voters on the wagon are particularly inspiring. Can someone reiterate the case against them?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:19 pm [VOTE: Abigail[/unvote] serious read] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:19 pm [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine serious read

Do elaborate.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:18 pm Ahhhh I see. I see two things.
1. I was responding to abigail not robyn. you are now the third person to have outright missed that. I have learned a valuable lesson about including quotes.
2. The first "wolfmilia" could've been a reaction test or joke which I didn't want to immediately snap back at. Then dizzy doubled down (for the moment) and left the thread, so, welp.

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:24 pm i think tsp is town now for reasons that are not related to how other people are reading him. i also think mac is town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:26 pm Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:25 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:24 pm i think tsp is town now for reasons that are not related to how other people are reading him. i also think mac is town.

Elaborate on both of these please.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:27 pm But point basically holds

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:26 pm Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:26 pm Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:31 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:26 pm Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

didn't you list off a bunch of people as "i policy won't vote for them d1"?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:39 pm Alright, its lunch time, what is going on? People actually going to respond to me?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:57 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:40 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:36 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:44 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:41 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:39 pm

Didn't I hard townread you the last time you were wolfing and I was town? It was in that travesty of an FoL game where town didn't really put effort into anything, you wolfed with Luka, and Arctic and I correctly towncored each other and got mislunched consecutively by people who thought we were partnered and defending each other.

I'm pretty sure I've pocketed you under multiple accounts as wolf but I only do that cause you have thread control and scare me lol

I have zero thread control on this forum lol
I only have thread control on FoL because I was their champs rep last year and the newbies remember that and cower in fear
Everyone else knows that I'm pretty 50/50 with my accuracy, I can townclear myself most of the time when I want to, but my reads are poop even if my reasoning is somewhat logical

I don't think that's always true. I wolfed against you on this forum under the name Zenon and I defs pocketed you because people were following you

Ok actually that's true lol, I forgot about that game
Everyone else was pushing you but you were pocketing me so I defended you lol

Your the only reason I won that game

I am a lot of reasons why wolves win games
And usually not when I'm a wolf, but sometimes

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:43 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:57 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:40 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:36 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:44 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:41 pm

I'm pretty sure I've pocketed you under multiple accounts as wolf but I only do that cause you have thread control and scare me lol

I have zero thread control on this forum lol
I only have thread control on FoL because I was their champs rep last year and the newbies remember that and cower in fear
Everyone else knows that I'm pretty 50/50 with my accuracy, I can townclear myself most of the time when I want to, but my reads are poop even if my reasoning is somewhat logical

I don't think that's always true. I wolfed against you on this forum under the name Zenon and I defs pocketed you because people were following you

Ok actually that's true lol, I forgot about that game
Everyone else was pushing you but you were pocketing me so I defended you lol

Your the only reason I won that game

I am a lot of reasons why wolves win games
And usually not when I'm a wolf, but sometimes

But I only did that cause I thought you were scary good

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:32 pm I hate to do this but I'm gonna quote leetic here and point out that Rondo's entry felt unplanned in a towny sort of way

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:13 pm [VOTE: RDB] aubergine stands out as the person with the least reason to townread them (besides the supposedly "self resolving" Bereft). Looking at their ISO, it's just a bunch of "notice me MacDougall" and a OMGUS vote with no further elaboration.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:37 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:36 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:35 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:34 pm I feel like I'm talking out of my ass and should probably go to sleep.

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

Good night lol.

seems me calling you beautiful has pocketed u

No, but I think you're townier than Bereft because I literally cannot read him rn

should i give you a massage?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:38 pm I'm ashamed to say I still don't have any particularly strong scumreads, and by admitting this, I lose the chance to push someone for pressure, but it's not like I felt like doing it more today since I already pressured the hell out of leetic on d0.

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:18 pm

yooo who's up for a MU Anni D1 re-enactment

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:44 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:43 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:42 pm I hate that I feel like one of the players generating lots of discussion or at least contributing to solving must be a wolf
I don't think someone actively contributing HAS to be a wolf every single time
I just have an unsettling feeling that this is the case, with no grounds to back that take
And no, it's not me.

What makes you feel that? If you have no leads, why post that?

People ask me why I post my thought vomit every single game
The answer is, I don't fucking know.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:17 pm I do find the tedxtr wagon a bit weird, none of the three voters on the wagon are particularly inspiring. Can someone reiterate the case against them?

Well, pyxxy is the only voter who might have a "case", as RDB seems to be simple OMGUS and Bereft just seems to be roleplaying. It is a little concerning that a wagon with so little substance is ahead however.

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:55 pm [VOTE: WWA] aubergine

Convinced myself against the Leetic vote

we had a rule, no playing while wasted

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:59 pm Mac help people are asking me for reads and or content

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:47 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:17 pm I do find the tedxtr wagon a bit weird, none of the three voters on the wagon are particularly inspiring. Can someone reiterate the case against them?

Well, pyxxy is the only voter who might have a "case", as RDB seems to be simple OMGUS and Bereft just seems to be roleplaying. It is a little concerning that a wagon with so little substance is ahead however.

HAhahaha. [VOTE: neon ] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:15 pm Also, Abby seems to be the only player who isn't voting anyone. They never struck me as the kind of player to be particularly prudent with where they're voting, so this does strike me as a little odd.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:07 pm If we are going to roll the dice better to do it on Abigail imo

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:48 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:15 pm Also, Abby seems to be the only player who isn't voting anyone. They never struck me as the kind of player to be particularly prudent with where they're voting, so this does strike me as a little odd.

Ive seen them (Abby is Neon right?) miss 2 complete vote phases back to back

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:03 pm