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[mention]Vulgard[/mention] [mention]dunya[/mention] would you look at this and tell me what you think?Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:16 am https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... sf=msgonly
link to 112’s iso from their recent scum game ^
it... seems pretty different to me? she’s a lot more free flowing here than she was there
in that game you mean? or in this game?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:25 amI scumread her entrance
ISO’d a couple of her past entrances
Flipped it to a townread
Come on man. That’s not being fair at all. I’ve been very clear about who I townread and how strongly and why. It’s not even slightly true to say I’ve got no townreads, or that I’m trying to break up people aligning together.Vulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:59 am I feel like Ash's post just now is very mafia. "I do not townread anyone, you guys are aligning too closely together, I have to break you up." Could come from a discontent townie in theory, but every single take in the post is a somewhat hedgy suspicion instead of a concrete town/scumread. And that really bothers me.
There are also additional excuses for not having reads on the lower posters, which I deem unnecessary to include unless you're very self-conscious. And mafia are the ones who have to be somewhat self-conscious. Yadda yadda.
Sorry if you're town, Ash, but I really didn't like your response just now, for the reasons mentioned above.
I'm trying to engage with you; the post you just quoted was an attempt to do that. Why do you think me/112 are V/V? What makes you think we're townies butting our heads against one another?
Also, what is your take on the me/Arete thing? You don't seem concerned about that at all. (A part of me is tinfoiling that you are TMIng both of us town and that is why you are not concerned.)
I don’t know what to make of the fact that we’re seeing the game so similarly in some ways but your strongest townreads are my scumreads. But it’s a thing.Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:50 am town:
nook
tutuu
town lean:
tony
poison
ted
lc
vul
arete
idk yet:
ash
112
michelle
dunya
absent:
wilgy
trip
im like here? i could put more ppl in hard town if i wanted. like tony maybe. as soon as he started posting i was like “that’s town!tsp,” but i just want to wait before locking that in
ted as well could be hard town for me but im keeping him one lower out of respect for his scum game/because i know he can fool me
i do see what some people are saying about poison (dunya and vul i think) that she maybe isn’t giving many concrete takes? but i know she absolutely hates being mafia so i find her engagement here to be town indicative. i think she’d come off flatter and post less as scum. not gonna lock it in because concerns are noted but i feel good about her
lc seems like town!lc to me. caveat us he said he would play differently from last game if he randed scum again. w/e. still a town lean
vul/arete is pending further interactions and stuff from them but i can’t help but tr vul’s posts here even if arete says he can do them as scum. the solving and moments of doubt and everything just read very genuine to me. if arete feels strongly at EoD that vul is just mafia, i’ll have to consider that though. and for arete, i think how they’ve approached vul seems pretty natural. i don’t get the sense they’re forcing themselves to read him one way or another. i also think vul reading arete town makes them more likely town regardless of vul’s alignment. would like more content from arete though
im keeping 112/ash where they are because i cant decide what i think of them. i need to iso them and try to get more clarity. atm idk if i actually have any issues with either of them or if im just scared of not being able to read them well and sponging people who sr them. tbd
dunya and michelle i just want to wait and see on
wilgy/trip... yea
so like, i don’t actually have any scum reads atm, which is not like... great but idk what to do about it. nobody sticks out to me as like obvious mafia rn
not talking about her entrance, i’m talking about the solving/reads that came afterNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:27 am I actually did compare her entrance this game to that one back around the time you asked for a read on them, and it didn’t look dramatically different to me tbh
ahNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:27 amIn that game
My problem was the answer wasn’t really an answer.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:57 am I have actually answered you ash, you just didn’t like the answer so I started being snarky when you kept asking
alrightVulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:27 am Hally, linking a scumgame of mine would be problematic, because I'm playing differently here than I did in my last scumgame. There is one game in particular I could link, but I wasn't mafia for the entirety of it (we frequently play with conversion).
For those reasons, I don't think it's going to help you.
Currently reading 112's mafia ISO.
your strongest sr’s are tutuu/nook right? i get why you could read them like you do if you don’t know them but like, idkAsh Lael wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:30 amI don’t know what to make of the fact that we’re seeing the game so similarly in some ways but your strongest townreads are my scumreads. But it’s a thing.Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:50 am town:
nook
tutuu
town lean:
tony
poison
ted
lc
vul
arete
idk yet:
ash
112
michelle
dunya
absent:
wilgy
trip
im like here? i could put more ppl in hard town if i wanted. like tony maybe. as soon as he started posting i was like “that’s town!tsp,” but i just want to wait before locking that in
ted as well could be hard town for me but im keeping him one lower out of respect for his scum game/because i know he can fool me
i do see what some people are saying about poison (dunya and vul i think) that she maybe isn’t giving many concrete takes? but i know she absolutely hates being mafia so i find her engagement here to be town indicative. i think she’d come off flatter and post less as scum. not gonna lock it in because concerns are noted but i feel good about her
lc seems like town!lc to me. caveat us he said he would play differently from last game if he randed scum again. w/e. still a town lean
vul/arete is pending further interactions and stuff from them but i can’t help but tr vul’s posts here even if arete says he can do them as scum. the solving and moments of doubt and everything just read very genuine to me. if arete feels strongly at EoD that vul is just mafia, i’ll have to consider that though. and for arete, i think how they’ve approached vul seems pretty natural. i don’t get the sense they’re forcing themselves to read him one way or another. i also think vul reading arete town makes them more likely town regardless of vul’s alignment. would like more content from arete though
im keeping 112/ash where they are because i cant decide what i think of them. i need to iso them and try to get more clarity. atm idk if i actually have any issues with either of them or if im just scared of not being able to read them well and sponging people who sr them. tbd
dunya and michelle i just want to wait and see on
wilgy/trip... yea
so like, i don’t actually have any scum reads atm, which is not like... great but idk what to do about it. nobody sticks out to me as like obvious mafia rn
But like... what notes? Why do you associate those notes with a townie entrance? Why did those posts feel townie?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:35 am Their posts felt townie, they hit notes that I associate with a townie entrance.
That’s the answer, there isn’t more to it than that
hm. ok. i think she’s more stilted in her solving in that game as opposed to here where it seems more natural. like a lot of her reads in that game feel kinda hedgy and i don’t think they’re anywhere near as strong or insightful as her takes on you and poison in this game for exampleVulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:30 am I'm not sure if I'm blind, but I don't see a very notable contrast? There are few developed reads, and most of the takes are very surface-level, but a few "somewhat deeper insights" also exist. I don't think it's not similar to what 112 has done in the current game so far. I might change my mind as the game progresses, if 112 and me both survive.
Do you think maybe you could talk me through how you’d expect them to be acting differently if they were scum?Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:36 amyour strongest sr’s are tutuu/nook right? i get why you could read them like you do if you don’t know them but like, idkAsh Lael wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:30 amI don’t know what to make of the fact that we’re seeing the game so similarly in some ways but your strongest townreads are my scumreads. But it’s a thing.Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:50 am town:
nook
tutuu
town lean:
tony
poison
ted
lc
vul
arete
idk yet:
ash
112
michelle
dunya
absent:
wilgy
trip
im like here? i could put more ppl in hard town if i wanted. like tony maybe. as soon as he started posting i was like “that’s town!tsp,” but i just want to wait before locking that in
ted as well could be hard town for me but im keeping him one lower out of respect for his scum game/because i know he can fool me
i do see what some people are saying about poison (dunya and vul i think) that she maybe isn’t giving many concrete takes? but i know she absolutely hates being mafia so i find her engagement here to be town indicative. i think she’d come off flatter and post less as scum. not gonna lock it in because concerns are noted but i feel good about her
lc seems like town!lc to me. caveat us he said he would play differently from last game if he randed scum again. w/e. still a town lean
vul/arete is pending further interactions and stuff from them but i can’t help but tr vul’s posts here even if arete says he can do them as scum. the solving and moments of doubt and everything just read very genuine to me. if arete feels strongly at EoD that vul is just mafia, i’ll have to consider that though. and for arete, i think how they’ve approached vul seems pretty natural. i don’t get the sense they’re forcing themselves to read him one way or another. i also think vul reading arete town makes them more likely town regardless of vul’s alignment. would like more content from arete though
im keeping 112/ash where they are because i cant decide what i think of them. i need to iso them and try to get more clarity. atm idk if i actually have any issues with either of them or if im just scared of not being able to read them well and sponging people who sr them. tbd
dunya and michelle i just want to wait and see on
wilgy/trip... yea
so like, i don’t actually have any scum reads atm, which is not like... great but idk what to do about it. nobody sticks out to me as like obvious mafia rn
I don’t explain my reads in minute detail, and I don’t plan to start now. I gave you the explanation, take it or leave it, I no longer give a fuckAsh Lael wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:38 amBut like... what notes? Why do you associate those notes with a townie entrance? Why did those posts feel townie?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:35 am Their posts felt townie, they hit notes that I associate with a townie entrance.
That’s the answer, there isn’t more to it than that
This is just more “it is what it is”. There’s no actual explanation.
well i’ve never seen tutuu as scum. she hasn’t randed scum in years. but everything she’s done this game is in line with what i think of as her town selfAsh Lael wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:40 amDo you think maybe you could talk me through how you’d expect them to be acting differently if they were scum?Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:36 amyour strongest sr’s are tutuu/nook right? i get why you could read them like you do if you don’t know them but like, idkAsh Lael wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:30 amI don’t know what to make of the fact that we’re seeing the game so similarly in some ways but your strongest townreads are my scumreads. But it’s a thing.Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:50 am town:
nook
tutuu
town lean:
tony
poison
ted
lc
vul
arete
idk yet:
ash
112
michelle
dunya
absent:
wilgy
trip
im like here? i could put more ppl in hard town if i wanted. like tony maybe. as soon as he started posting i was like “that’s town!tsp,” but i just want to wait before locking that in
ted as well could be hard town for me but im keeping him one lower out of respect for his scum game/because i know he can fool me
i do see what some people are saying about poison (dunya and vul i think) that she maybe isn’t giving many concrete takes? but i know she absolutely hates being mafia so i find her engagement here to be town indicative. i think she’d come off flatter and post less as scum. not gonna lock it in because concerns are noted but i feel good about her
lc seems like town!lc to me. caveat us he said he would play differently from last game if he randed scum again. w/e. still a town lean
vul/arete is pending further interactions and stuff from them but i can’t help but tr vul’s posts here even if arete says he can do them as scum. the solving and moments of doubt and everything just read very genuine to me. if arete feels strongly at EoD that vul is just mafia, i’ll have to consider that though. and for arete, i think how they’ve approached vul seems pretty natural. i don’t get the sense they’re forcing themselves to read him one way or another. i also think vul reading arete town makes them more likely town regardless of vul’s alignment. would like more content from arete though
im keeping 112/ash where they are because i cant decide what i think of them. i need to iso them and try to get more clarity. atm idk if i actually have any issues with either of them or if im just scared of not being able to read them well and sponging people who sr them. tbd
dunya and michelle i just want to wait and see on
wilgy/trip... yea
so like, i don’t actually have any scum reads atm, which is not like... great but idk what to do about it. nobody sticks out to me as like obvious mafia rn
Or it’s G8 again and the whole scum team is in the bottom three posters and we’re all just townies chasing our tails.Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:52 am every time ash is itt i kinda feel like he’s probably just town but if i take 112/ash both as town i have at least a town lean on everyone except michelle/dunya/wilgy/trip and its not like i can’t see mich/dunya as town too. so my reads are probably wrong and im bad at mafia. cool
possibleAsh Lael wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:55 amOr it’s G8 again and the whole scum team is in the bottom three posters and we’re all just townies chasing our tails.Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:52 am every time ash is itt i kinda feel like he’s probably just town but if i take 112/ash both as town i have at least a town lean on everyone except michelle/dunya/wilgy/trip and its not like i can’t see mich/dunya as town too. so my reads are probably wrong and im bad at mafia. cool
Tutuu, talk to me. Why are you voting Vulgard? What is your read on me right now?
i guess not. i probably should get used to a lot more paranoia about me in general given that everyone has now seen what i can do as scumVulgard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:03 am I'm just going to quote a post I wrote about Hally in a specchat after they flipped mafia in the champs game.
"I agree with Hally's reads very, very strongly. I think I would swap dya with Radishes, and Phighter with Dobby, but overall, this looks good.
Hally is still very town."
Are you that surprised I'm not townlocking you?
arete has most experience with him and says he's maf. 112 seems town to me and says he's maf. so i sheep