The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:48 pm**

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:47 pm Nook’s soul read on me could be TMI, haven’t ruled it put completely but like Luck is just uhhh atm

At least iso me or something instead of just tunneling on the basis of this cop stuff.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:50 pm**

I’m questioning you, people have no idea what tunneling means here lmao

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:51 pm**

I’m asking for game info fir the most part snd you’re looking you forgot how to front pedal ain’t the best look just sayin’

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:59 pm**

ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:44 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:36 pm And their handling the CC pretty poorly here
anti-town =/= scummy
counterclaimed cop =/= scum
Following a suicidal plan as scum when they were consensus lock town??? hmm yes, makes sense

This is a very shallow way of reading it imo
that’s all I’m gonna say

if you have time to push town how about you take a look at creature after all?

I just saw this, if Nook is the counter then you’re right, im just jumping in here with no context, so ISO’ing without context isn’t gonna do much good.

A suicidal plan is smart when we’re talking about the only role in the game for town and smart especially when you can just “no i was lol using cop cover ALL ALONG”

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:00 pm**

Ok the whole check thing has gotten a lot more confusing.

I don’t understand town lying about checks. It’s seems to make things unnecessarily convoluted and waste time we could be actually searching for baddies.
This feels like nanooks town game, so I’m inclined to believe there. I can’t see Luckbox being town if there is only one cop, but I also don’t get the mafia strategy behind this either.

So yea confusing

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:00 pm**

I’m not saying this is the case, i’m just thinking outside the box and asking questions.

If that’s an issue then idk what to tell u

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:02 pm**

wtf is this discussion

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:02 pm**

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:00 pm Ok the whole check thing has gotten a lot more confusing.

I don’t understand town lying about checks. It’s seems to make things unnecessarily convoluted and waste time we could be actually searching for baddies.
This feels like nanooks town game, so I’m inclined to believe there. I can’t see Luckbox being town if there is only one cop, but I also don’t get the mafia strategy behind this either.

So yea confusing

Read up for mafia strategy.

And this best explains why I despise cop cover with a passion. So thanks for putting it into words for me, have a town lean.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:02 pm**

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:02 pm wtf is this discussion

What do u mean?

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:06 pm**

I want to cry

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:10 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:23 pm Alternatively everybody (including the cop) stays silent and hopes the cop doesn't end up dying before they can share their results.

Pretty much how I’d do it.

I’m reading his ISO R U HAPPY NOW?? Don’t cry

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:11 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:59 pm I think my strategy for this setup would be:

1. Hypoclaims are only done at the end of the day. Until then, everyone, including the cop, tries to sort every player as they usually would.
2. On D1, everybody claims If I am the cop, I peeked X green
3. On D2+, everybody claims If I am the cop, I either peeked X green or peeked Y red
4. If the cop dies, we always lynch Y
4.1. If Y flips town, we assume X was peeked green
4.2. If Y flips mafia, we assume Y was indeed the peek (even if they actually weren't) and ignore the X peek
5. Cop can hold off a red peek for one night, but must out it immediately the day after. So if the cop actually peeked Y red N1, they can do rule 3 and hide for the remainder of day 2. If they survive N2, D3 they must immediately out as cop and reveal they peeked Y red alongside their N2 peek. This is kind of interesting, because cop won't necessarily be forced to out immediately if they get a red peek and they might live to get another result. There would be no chance of wolves killing the cop N2 and their red peek getting away as long as town follows rule 4.
6. As a result, we can assume that if the cop didn't do rule 5 the day after the night after, the hypo red peek is false. As such, if cop didn't out D3 and ends up dying N3 then town doesn't need to follow with rule 4 on the D2 hypo, instead they just assume X was peeked green.

Obviously, rule 3 and forward are complex strategies and maybe I should start a new topic after the game. Perhaps we should at most follow rules 1 and 2 this game.

Seems overly confusing tbh

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:12 pm**

could you just trust me if I say that lunchbox is nearly always town here and that you’re wasting your time?
honestly, I’m less cleared than them so if you’d like to interact with me, go ahead

like, ignoring the entire game thread isn’t really the most optimal choice

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:10 pm
Creature wrote: ↑ Alternatively everybody (including the cop) stays silent and hopes the cop doesn't end up dying before they can share their results.
Pretty much how I’d do it.

I’m reading his ISO R U HAPPY NOW?? Don’t cry :hugs:

TuT thank you

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:14 pm**

Trusting someone in mafia is kinda meh ngl, i’ll read Creature’s ISO though.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:16 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:25 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:43 pm But he's also given literally 0 reads.
Yeah, that depends on my mood and if I can get any reads. Would've been simpler to get reads if I was wolf.

This seems scummy, but ngl I feel this tbh.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:17 pm**

Sparkles does seem villagery here.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:23 pm**

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:02 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:02 pm wtf is this discussion
What do u mean?

it should never have been a thing but it's still going

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:25 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:25 pm
ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:23 pm This is probably a good moment to start forming bigger wagons in general
otherwise it will be pretty much impossible to use VCA later on
VCAs are useless anyway.

But your overly confusing and just meh Cop plan isn’t? Like to get a town to align on it is next to impossible, the shut up cop plsy is the way, that’s how we won in champs S2 tbh.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:28 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:08 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:00 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:58 pm Probably not on the open seer stuff. That seems like a little much for new people.
RE Creature: He still hasn't given any reads but he has said if he were a wolf he would have-- which I do somehow sort of want to believe.
Syn has been in commentary mode all game.
Well I'm sure he'd never lie to you if he were a wolf here
Well I think it should be pretty much true that it's a lot easier for me to read everybody when I'm wolf than when I'm town, it's pretty much TMI I can't escape, while as town I can still get a lot of initial town feels but then start to doubt.

Well yea obvi.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:36 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:12 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:09 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:08 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:00 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:58 pm Probably not on the open seer stuff. That seems like a little much for new people.
RE Creature: He still hasn't given any reads but he has said if he were a wolf he would have-- which I do somehow sort of want to believe.
Syn has been in commentary mode all game.
Well I'm sure he'd never lie to you if he were a wolf here
Well I think it should be pretty much true that it's a lot easier for me to read everybody when I'm wolf than when I'm town, it's pretty much TMI I can't escape, while as town I can still get a lot of initial town feels but then start to doubt.

it's the self-awareness that's pinging me -.-
doesn't make it any less valid I think

No idea why self awareness is only a scum trait tbh

But eh the mech plan discussion was not what you started with in Exile pretty sure and the plan itself feels like a wolf trying to lead town astray so there’s that.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:41 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:39 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:56 pm if we're uncomfortable with creature maybe we just kill syn.
What if I'm uncomfortable with both?

Why we’re you uncomfortable with me in my other body?

I can’t expect Syn to have done much if they needed repping out do either TMI/Meta/Gut, can you explain why you weren’t comfortable with a Syn vote?

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:43 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:44 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:42 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:23 pm I townread Creature for effort but then people who've played with him came in and said it was well within scum range so shrug. Syn seemed like he was genuinely annoyed at my play which is the reason I'd rather go Creature over him. I also think he tends to go for the path of least resistance as mafia and trying to push me is not that. This isn't a full clear of him but it is enough to prefer Creature over him today.
Would ve better we try to lynch wolf today
Duh dafuq even is that paragraph by Alison. Feels like they don't want to risk town voting elsewhere and correctly.

I mean Allidon vouched for the my preferred strategy and flip town so this feels like a weird read

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:44 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:46 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:41 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:41 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:10 pm creature isn't playing like his scum game but his posting is scummy
Then your definition of scummy is very wrong.
yea yea yea okay okay okay
Wolves can post pretty decent although agenda driven, while town can look extremely awkward and contradictory. If your definition of wolfy is the latter then it is very wrong.

I can agree with this.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:46 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:49 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:47 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:46 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:41 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:41 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:10 pm creature isn't playing like his scum game but his posting is scummy
Then your definition of scummy is very wrong.
yea yea yea okay okay okay
Wolves can post pretty decent although agenda driven, while town can look extremely awkward and contradictory. If your definition of wolfy is the latter then it is very wrong.
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It's not that new in sites like MU. Town tends to just post their mind out and they can change their reads for no reason a lot, while wolves focus on making their posts make sense and reasonable.

This is true let’s move on (I HOPE WE DID CAUSE MY GOD THIS US REDUNDANT)

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:49 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:54 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:50 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:48 pm yes I promise and now it's time to take my leave

Bye

Yeet creature idgaf
Works for me
Bruh it's pretty clear Esooa isn't even wolfreading me and is probably just mad. The fact you're taking Esooa's shitty push as the eay to go is incredibly wolfy.

Actually agree with you here LOL

But he’s also THE REAL COP apparently.

Cop cover is dumb when done to this extent and you openly invited it with your “mech strategy”

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:52 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:57 pm Esooa is probtown and wolves are hiding behind her fit to push a mislynch on a town that could potentially be dangerous for them later in the game.

I’d say so yea AtE potential aside, but I mean I should probably actually read the whole thread too and not just take your word fir it LOL

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:55 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:31 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

What? After you said she wasn’t the best vote (not sure if u full on townread her).

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:56 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:16 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:14 pm This is going to sound crazy, but I think I genuinely want to go for either Esooa or Alison.
Kinda paranoid about Alison but I don't want them today.

The vote right after WHAT A PLOT TWIST

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:58 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:48 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 pm This heavy resistance to moving off my wagon shows at least one of the wolves are at danger of being lynched if town decides to move elsewhere.
wolfy
ime wagons tend to be more flexible when they are mostly v/v and wolves aren't really in danger because wolves aren't in risk if they decide to shake things up a bit. Wagon rigidity and nearly tied indicates wolves are in danger.

Eum no, sometimes top two wagons are just town with a scum on it and the two others just LOL’ing

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:00 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:53 pm Should be pretty clear wolves are in danger here hence the wagon movements all look timid.

So wouldn’t that point to you now?? By your own admission? I mean I don’t actually think a wolf eouod say this if it were actually the case but talk to me.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:04 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:54 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:49 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:44 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:20 am
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:05 am
ejjinami wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:53 am
Deli wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:02 amSZA/creature/+1
what do you think about syn?

and esooa actually :P
I believe they're both town
you didn’t even think about the answer before posting, did you? :/

Do you even have any scum-reads atm?
If you consider yourself town and town-read both esooa and son, I’m pretty sure you will either have to end up scum-reading people who are obviously town, or no one lol
So you believe Syn and Esooa are wolves?
don’t change the subject lol
If I’m telling you that your reads don’t make sense, either change them or prove me wrong
If you actually have them, that is
But you're saying that if I townread Syn and Esooa then I will end up scumreading obvtown. That suggests you think everybody else is obvtown while Syn and Esooa are wolves.

Feels like you’re twisting their words here fam, which is either scum or bad town so which is it?

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:08 pm**

Ok do I did the thing where I rep in as town and just immediately start posting so it’s obvious I have no teammates.

And after the ISO i’d say there’s equity in Creature being a wolf sure, mech strategy in the beginning was done by s wolf (or something similar they opened up with heavy mech talk anyways) in champs S2 which for reference had the same setup. And there interactions with people just feel like an attempt to make people look bad but quit on Essoa when she looked pretty townie from it and now is trying to do the same to the DUDE WHO WANTED THIS ISO <3.

Hated the Allison vote.

Gun2Head scum

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:09 pm**

I’m taking a break now, I should probably read the whole thread soon tbh.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:19 pm**

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:11 pm can we just pretend this is mountainous until the real cop has a real red

like seriously this is fucking stupid

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:20 pm**

Why are not hammering me exactly? I want off this bullshit

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:25 pm**

Honestly turbo nanook no matter what he does from here for this anti town bullshit

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:26 pm**

Like if you're actually town guess what you cant read me

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:27 pm**

Halfway through the day phase still no rescind what are you even doing

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:31 pm**

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

hurry up cowards, 3 more

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:42 pm**

Quite a different approach your taking from the exile game KZA

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:51 pm**

Why the hell is my notification feed at 17?

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:58 pm**

Yes these are the actions of an innocent kza, mom, definitely not a mafia trying desperately to avoid spew and end the day early so the cop can die already

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:58 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:58 pm Yes these are the actions of an innocent kza, mom, definitely not a mafia trying desperately to avoid spew and end the day early so the cop can die already

*mhm, good lord what a typo

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:39 pm**

Alright, I'm here now. I've been occasionally glancing at the thread, and I still don't know what to really think right now.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:42 pm**

The only thing I do feel and confidence in saying is that I think MissSparkles has been posting towny, and combined with that fact that I didn't really think Syn was all that scummy, I'm against calling that slot mafia.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:43 pm**

I'm not

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:43 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:42 pm The only thing I do feel and confidence in saying is that I think MissSparkles has been posting towny, and combined with that fact that I didn't really think Syn was all that scummy, I'm against calling that slot mafia.

Sparkles certainly a lot more villagery than Syn was, but yeah

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:50 pm**

Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 pm Luck/kza/creture gg go next

Talk to me about Luck. At EOD yesterday, I had thought there was higher chance Luck was mafia than Syn/MissSparkles based on Luckbox seeming uncomfortable chopping Alison and Esooa after seeming eager in the post where they told me I wasn't crazy for wanting to chop one of them.

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:51 pm**

This was the series of posts that I'm talking about:

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:49 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:43 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:36 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:16 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:14 pm This is going to sound crazy, but I think I genuinely want to go for either Esooa or Alison.
It's not crazy. I'd probably choose Alison at this point. Earlier I would have gone Esooa.
Alright, I think I know what I want to do, but talk me through why you'd want to choose Alison over Esooa right now really quick if you can.
I think Esooa has been villagery since she arrived in the thread today. I got paranoid about her "whelmedness" and was starting to think she has been "underwhelming"-- and now I'm sufficiently whelmed. The game-solvinesss seems genuine enough.
Alison-- idk. I still think Alison is good too but I don't know what she's capable of. I also thought she responded well to pressure too but her game fits as a wolf more than esooa's now I think between the two of them.
I also think it's right to be paranoid about them both so I do feel you here.
You don't seem very comfortable with either choice. Why did you tell me it wasn't crazy to want to go for one of those two over other people?

Posted: **Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:53 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:50 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:19 pm Luck/kza/creture gg go next
Talk to me about Luck. At EOD yesterday, I had thought there was higher chance Luck was mafia than Syn/MissSparkles based on Luckbox seeming uncomfortable chopping Alison and Esooa after seeming eager in the post where they told me I wasn't crazy for wanting to chop one of them.

You've misinterpreted that post fwiw. I was both uncomfortable with it and also thinking you weren't crazy-- definitely not eager at all.

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