Secret Playerlist - ENDGAME

[Jackofhearts2005]

And that is a low bar.

[Creature]

I think the most optimal thing for a wolf to do would be five-posting or something. It's above minimum requirement + they get forgotten among the many posters. Also the thread activity overview doesn't show them due to the excessive number of posters.

[Creature]

Is there any way to view all players' post count that's not cut short?

[Creature]

'sup Wind. How do you propose we approach the game?

Sorry if you've said this already I'm not sure if I'll backread the game.

It's fine
I think it's fine to sort out for yourself who you think is a player versus npc but it isn't great to out your "this is a town player" takes in the thread because it gives wolves a target if there is enough of a consensus on the slot
Whereas its favorable to town to let wolves mistakenly hit an Npc
And most NPCs will lurk and not put in effort, so they aren't going to be night killed anyway until the NPC cull.

I see the value in what you're proposing but I also think it's a bit utopic.

Nutella said this earlier but for some players it's kinda easy to figure out if they're the type of person who would sign up as a player or as an NPC. I don't think mafia will have a lot of trouble with the NKs, I'm p sure they'd miss like 1, 2 at most kills, during 7 days, considering they have a scout, they just scout the player who they want to NK next, kinda.

Like, I think there's some kind of consensus on who's a player and who's an NPC, which is going to show itself more as the days go on whether we want it or not.

I know I've hardclaimed NPC earlier but ftr I'm the kind of person who would claim NPC as a player. I think, at least, no that I'd know for sure...

Yeah you have a point
Idk why people think I'm a wolf specifically though lol
If I joined this game as a player and randed wolf I would have to put my ass into high gear and not just potato around doing nothing and refusing to give reads if I was getting pushed
I know that falls under the category of "self-meta" but tbh that's how I play mashes, I potato around for like two or three days until half the playerlist is gone and then I do shit
And if I get pushed before that point and am in actual danger of dying then I feel obligated to produce results even if I have no idea what I am doing
Which... is not a good approach but yeah

Do ppl really think you're a wolf specifically aside from Rondo? And yeah I guess there's a bit of "lol self meta" but w/e. Ftr I don't think you're a potato and I like your playstyle. I think you can do good stuff given enough space to work with. Which is partially the push from Rondo annoys me, I think, now that I've written it. Hm.

Creature, from what I saw, also thinks I'm a wolf
I'm being pretty potatoey in this game, though, that wouldn't be a wrong take but yeah i havent had the time or space which is a bit disappointing, definitely for me and probably for other people

Thing is that I just form my reads naturally as they come along (I mean when I'm not scum, obviously) and so if I don't have reads, it's not as if I'm hiding them, I just literally don't have reads. Of course every single post leaves some sort of an impression but I try my best to filter out how much of my bias is based on an alignment indicative piece of information, and how much can potentially be chalked up to playstyle, and I would like to think I account pretty well for different playstyles but in reality I suck at reading certain players and I'm fairly accurate at reading others. So that doesn't really mean much in the end, I feel like I tend to peg playstyles correctly but the ones I know I have difficulty in reading, still give me difficulty despite that I'm aware of this.

So like, the thing with Rondo is that I would generally assume jumping at me straight out of the door is more towny than not, I didn't come across as particularly willing to solve, and stated my intent to watch chaos unfold which was kind of antitown or at least not protown. I wouldn't fault someone for thinking that's scummy. But persisting on it for longer and continuing to try to rally others into scumreading me on what seems like pretty thin reasoning is kind of questionable.

The other thing is, some people just do that as town because that's how they play. But sometimes they're the type who's aware of what they do as town, and use it to hide behind as scum. I don't know Rondo as a player but from what I'm gathering from Sabi, it sounds like Rondo would be able to get away with tunnelling on a bad push as scum because he does do it as town too and is conscious of it.

So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong on this. But that's what I've understood so far, which is not to necessarily clear Rondo for choosing to tunnel me the whole day when there seems to be a kind of low amount of interest on my slot compared to the other wagon candidates.

Creature doesn't count he gives wolfreads for free everyday. God knows I've been on his scumlist for far too long.

I'm not sure if you're correct on your meta assessment of rondo bc I'm not familiar of him, but generally speaking I have trouble reading his type of playsyle.

As for the rest, this is a p townie post actually, shame we're both npcs :¨)

You're on my NPClist this game ftr

[WindwardAway]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

[SilverKeith]

I know I've hardclaimed NPC earlier but ftr I'm the kind of person who would claim NPC as a player. I think, at least, no that I'd know for sure...

you are also the type of person that wouldnt join this as player :^)

I think I'd join and play as an NPC maybe? Maybe if I had more free time.

Funnily enough my initial impression was that you're the type of player that WOULD join this as a player, bc otherwise there's just no stakes to it. I mean you're mostly shitposting so it doesn't matter anyways, I believe you when you say you're an npc I guess.

[Sabiplz]

Yall telling me you wouldn't be calling lopbunny mommy if you saw them in person

You have shared skaven Warhammer porn in a game

[SilverKeith]

I love the fact that there's a game related conversation going on while the "lopbunny mommy" discourse is also happening around it.

Keep it going gang you're doing great.

just as mafia should be

also hi SK

Just ftr I do not think Lopbunny is a mommy.

And hi Hally, how has your week been?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Why do you think NPC Jay doesn’t want to solve?

[Michelle]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

When you're more serious than Jay you're lock town

[WindwardAway]

'sup Wind. How do you propose we approach the game?

Sorry if you've said this already I'm not sure if I'll backread the game.

It's fine
I think it's fine to sort out for yourself who you think is a player versus npc but it isn't great to out your "this is a town player" takes in the thread because it gives wolves a target if there is enough of a consensus on the slot
Whereas its favorable to town to let wolves mistakenly hit an Npc
And most NPCs will lurk and not put in effort, so they aren't going to be night killed anyway until the NPC cull.

I see the value in what you're proposing but I also think it's a bit utopic.

Nutella said this earlier but for some players it's kinda easy to figure out if they're the type of person who would sign up as a player or as an NPC. I don't think mafia will have a lot of trouble with the NKs, I'm p sure they'd miss like 1, 2 at most kills, during 7 days, considering they have a scout, they just scout the player who they want to NK next, kinda.

Like, I think there's some kind of consensus on who's a player and who's an NPC, which is going to show itself more as the days go on whether we want it or not.

I know I've hardclaimed NPC earlier but ftr I'm the kind of person who would claim NPC as a player. I think, at least, no that I'd know for sure...

Yeah you have a point
Idk why people think I'm a wolf specifically though lol
If I joined this game as a player and randed wolf I would have to put my ass into high gear and not just potato around doing nothing and refusing to give reads if I was getting pushed
I know that falls under the category of "self-meta" but tbh that's how I play mashes, I potato around for like two or three days until half the playerlist is gone and then I do shit
And if I get pushed before that point and am in actual danger of dying then I feel obligated to produce results even if I have no idea what I am doing
Which... is not a good approach but yeah

Do ppl really think you're a wolf specifically aside from Rondo? And yeah I guess there's a bit of "lol self meta" but w/e. Ftr I don't think you're a potato and I like your playstyle. I think you can do good stuff given enough space to work with. Which is partially the push from Rondo annoys me, I think, now that I've written it. Hm.

Creature, from what I saw, also thinks I'm a wolf
I'm being pretty potatoey in this game, though, that wouldn't be a wrong take but yeah i havent had the time or space which is a bit disappointing, definitely for me and probably for other people

Thing is that I just form my reads naturally as they come along (I mean when I'm not scum, obviously) and so if I don't have reads, it's not as if I'm hiding them, I just literally don't have reads. Of course every single post leaves some sort of an impression but I try my best to filter out how much of my bias is based on an alignment indicative piece of information, and how much can potentially be chalked up to playstyle, and I would like to think I account pretty well for different playstyles but in reality I suck at reading certain players and I'm fairly accurate at reading others. So that doesn't really mean much in the end, I feel like I tend to peg playstyles correctly but the ones I know I have difficulty in reading, still give me difficulty despite that I'm aware of this.

So like, the thing with Rondo is that I would generally assume jumping at me straight out of the door is more towny than not, I didn't come across as particularly willing to solve, and stated my intent to watch chaos unfold which was kind of antitown or at least not protown. I wouldn't fault someone for thinking that's scummy. But persisting on it for longer and continuing to try to rally others into scumreading me on what seems like pretty thin reasoning is kind of questionable.

The other thing is, some people just do that as town because that's how they play. But sometimes they're the type who's aware of what they do as town, and use it to hide behind as scum. I don't know Rondo as a player but from what I'm gathering from Sabi, it sounds like Rondo would be able to get away with tunnelling on a bad push as scum because he does do it as town too and is conscious of it.

So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong on this. But that's what I've understood so far, which is not to necessarily clear Rondo for choosing to tunnel me the whole day when there seems to be a kind of low amount of interest on my slot compared to the other wagon candidates.

Creature doesn't count he gives wolfreads for free everyday. God knows I've been on his scumlist for far too long.

I'm not sure if you're correct on your meta assessment of rondo bc I'm not familiar of him, but generally speaking I have trouble reading his type of playsyle.

As for the rest, this is a p townie post actually, shame we're both npcs :¨)

Yep, definitely a shame

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

My emotions! Let them appeal to your own emotions!

*would self-vote if could be assed to check tally but no way*

[Jackofhearts2005]

And the idea that wolf Jack picks JaggedJimmyJay to push a misyeet on D1 is funny like the dialogue in the Thief series.

[Porscha]

imagine voting. couldn't be me

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

When you're more serious than Jay you're lock town

If I claim NPC, would it make you more or less likely to listen to me?

[WindwardAway]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Why do you think NPC Jay doesn’t want to solve?

Because he entered the shitposting phase and chose not to leave it because he thought it was fun?
Idk, that's a personality thing and I don't think I've played anything that wasn't a mash with Jay
If you're saying he enjoys solving enough that he would solve even if he isn't in the game then tbh I would probably take your word for it
I've seen him give takes in the champs spec chat iirc
But those were standard size games and this is a large game if you count the NPCs

[Creature]

Whoops. Upon further review, I realize that my vote did not count. A lot of votes did not count. Let me fix that:

[VOTE: Golden the Coward] aubergine


Up-to-Date Vote Count for Votes Cast Correctly:

Golden the Coward (4): DeeZees, Creature, Dys, G-Man
MasterRadishes (2): Ranmilla, Sloonei
Chelsea (1): Jack
Ender (1): Golden
Inawordyes (1): Ender
Marmot (1): Santy
Nanook (1): nutella
Sloonei (1): Scotty
WindwardAway (1): Rondo






We old-timers used to make spreadsheets like that to track votes and vote changes before we had fancy things like thread polls.

Golden > Sloonei > Chelsea/EnderWiggin/Inawordyes/Master Radishes > Marmot > WindwardAway > NANOOK

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

This is potentially a pretty wolfy take.

[SilverKeith]

I kinda wanna yeet everyone hunting for PCs vs NPCs into the sun under both the idea of it being unhelpful and unimportant and easy to get wrong but also the most blatant example of busywork you could think of.

I'm p sure you're gonna hit a lot of npcs that way tbh. I'ts easy to talk about so npcs will default to it bc they don't want to think about the game too hard is my guess. Someone said separating ppl between wolfy/not wolfy and I liked it and then we could make the case of how likely the wolfy ppl are to be NPCs.

I like the JJJ take tho. I agree with it. I think that's a take Jack would have as a player :^)

I'm imaginary putting my vote in J bc I don't want to bother with vcs.

[Michelle]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

When you're more serious than Jay you're lock town

If I claim NPC, would it make you more or less likely to listen to me?

I listen to you anyway

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Why do you think NPC Jay doesn’t want to solve?

Because he entered the shitposting phase and chose not to leave it because he thought it was fun?
Idk, that's a personality thing and I don't think I've played anything that wasn't a mash with Jay
If you're saying he enjoys solving enough that he would solve even if he isn't in the game then tbh I would probably take your word for it
I've seen him give takes in the champs spec chat iirc
But those were standard size games and this is a large game if you count the NPCs

Jay probably cares more about solving than any player I know.

[WindwardAway]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

This is potentially a pretty wolfy take.

It's blatant hedge from me, I'm not stupid lol

[Creature]

Though tbh I'm kinda becoming worried about DeeZees if he's a player here.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fine imma go find the vote count

[WindwardAway]

You have my attention though, fwiw

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yall telling me you wouldn't be calling lopbunny mommy if you saw them in person

You have shared skaven Warhammer porn in a game

I looked at so much of it trying to find something funny but the majority of it was just porn.

[Michelle]

Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Why do you think NPC Jay doesn’t want to solve?

Because he entered the shitposting phase and chose not to leave it because he thought it was fun?
Idk, that's a personality thing and I don't think I've played anything that wasn't a mash with Jay
If you're saying he enjoys solving enough that he would solve even if he isn't in the game then tbh I would probably take your word for it
I've seen him give takes in the champs spec chat iirc
But those were standard size games and this is a large game if you count the NPCs

Jay probably cares more about solving than any player I know.

He put the best vote from spec chat in game 1 so that's proved

[WindwardAway]

I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

[Creature]

I kinda wanna yeet everyone hunting for PCs vs NPCs into the sun under both the idea of it being unhelpful and unimportant and easy to get wrong but also the most blatant example of busywork you could think of.

I have yet to see someone hunting for wolves here (you only said "wolves must be doing X" but didn't bring any names). It may be a good idea to just lynch wolfy posters regardless of whether we think they're a player or NPC.

[Creature]

Fine imma go find the vote count

G-Man had one like 2-3 pages ago.

[WindwardAway]

Fine imma go find the vote count

G-Man had one like 2-3 pages ago.

Sabi posted one after that which is more recent

[Michelle]

Last one is Sabi's who voted rondo iirc

[Michelle]

I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Golden the Coward (4): DeeZees, Creature, Dys, G-Man
MasterRadishes (2): Ranmilla, Sloonei
Chelsea (1): Jack
Ender (1): Golden
Inawordyes (1): Ender
Marmot (1): Santy
Nanook (1): nutella
Sloonei (1): Scotty
WindwardAway (1): Rondo
Rondo (1): Sabiplz

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Golden the Coward (4): DeeZees, Creature, Dys, G-Man
MasterRadishes (2): Ranmilla, Sloonei
Jay (1): Jack
Ender (1): Golden
Inawordyes (1): Ender
Marmot (1): Santy
Nanook (1): nutella
Sloonei (1): Scotty
WindwardAway (1): Rondo
Rondo (1): Sabiplz

[WindwardAway]

I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?

Yes
And the thing with Rondo is not just that he is tunnelling me, but that he has been advocating for others to vote me as well.
So my thought was, does town try to round up other town to vote me out? Or is that a wolf move, trying to get the real town to vote me out, to ensure they aren't voting a wolf?

[WindwardAway]

Town knows that they have a vote they can place to turn the tide of the elimination
Wolves also have the same
But wolves know who each other are
And they also know they can control the vote if they distract town (plus they don't care where the NPCs vote, but they also need to make sure that they specifically do not have town voting on wolves)

[Creature]

I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?

Yes
And the thing with Rondo is not just that he is tunnelling me, but that he has been advocating for others to vote me as well.
So my thought was, does town try to round up other town to vote me out? Or is that a wolf move, trying to get the real town to vote me out, to ensure they aren't voting a wolf?

Town PC prob has to be voting and persuading others to vote.

Wolf PC has no much motivation to be voting anyone instead of just sitting out and expect NPC violence, but one wolf PC could be doing the above to look town.

I thought Rondo was fine tbh.

[pyxxy]

?

You know what, thats fair. I thought it was night one because I had done jack and shit.

[WindwardAway]

Town will place a vote based on where they think scum is
I don't think encouraging others to join them is inherently wolfy
But it's a matter of how they do it and how the votes shift, imo
And its a little hard for me to tell since I really have not been paying close attention to much of anything in this game

[TonyStarkPrime]

i declare this game to be questionable

[Creature]

Could santygrass be one wolf player?

[WindwardAway]

I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?

Yes
And the thing with Rondo is not just that he is tunnelling me, but that he has been advocating for others to vote me as well.
So my thought was, does town try to round up other town to vote me out? Or is that a wolf move, trying to get the real town to vote me out, to ensure they aren't voting a wolf?

Town PC prob has to be voting and persuading others to vote.

Wolf PC has no much motivation to be voting anyone instead of just sitting out and expect NPC violence, but one wolf PC could be doing the above to look town.

I thought Rondo was fine tbh.

As I said before, my first impression of him was still that it was probably a towny push to make
I'm just wondering where the line gets drawn before it starts to become an agenda push from a wolf thinking i might be a town player
I'm not sure how many people in this game expected me to sign up as a player versus as an NPC, and I will give you the free information that I would've been fine with either.
But Rondo mentioned thinking I was a wolfy newbie or something, and I am neither a wolf nor a newbie, so I'm wondering how much of his thought process went into figuring out whether I'm a player or not. And if he thought about that aspect enough to make an immediate decision right away that I must be a scum player, kudos to him because I definitely did not put that much thought into whether anyone in particular was a player, let alone make a call on their alignment two posts in.

[WindwardAway]

I mean honestly, the easiest way for me to get a good read on Rondo is going to be if I can get him to engage with me in good faith
And I already can see that being a struggle since he wanted to jump on me without giving me any room to do literally anything after a post or two
I don't care if he's town or not, it's just a bad approach and a bad faith read either way.

[santygrass]

TIL I learned NPC votes doesnt count at the end

[WindwardAway]

Anyway I've chewed up enough of the thread already on this when it probably isn't anyone's priority

[santygrass]

Could santygrass be one wolf player?

[WindwardAway]

Question
Is it more helpful to town if NPCs place votes and muddy up the VC so wolves can't stake out the town, or is it more helpful for NPCs to withhold their votes so town has an idea of the actual vote count?

[santygrass]

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[WindwardAway]

Actually that was a dumb question
Wolves can sniff out town by waiting to see which wagon actually flips
If it isn't a wagon with plurality then obviously it has the most town on it

[WindwardAway]

That being said, I'm withholding my vote for now