The Syndicate

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:09 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:41 pm

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:25 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pm

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:15 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:08 pm

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:06 pm 'sup Wind. How do you propose we approach the game?

Sorry if you've said this already I'm not sure if I'll backread the game.

It's fine
I think it's fine to sort out for yourself who you think is a player versus npc but it isn't great to out your "this is a town player" takes in the thread because it gives wolves a target if there is enough of a consensus on the slot
Whereas its favorable to town to let wolves mistakenly hit an Npc
And most NPCs will lurk and not put in effort, so they aren't going to be night killed anyway until the NPC cull.

I see the value in what you're proposing but I also think it's a bit utopic.

Nutella said this earlier but for some players it's kinda easy to figure out if they're the type of person who would sign up as a player or as an NPC. I don't think mafia will have a lot of trouble with the NKs, I'm p sure they'd miss like 1, 2 at most kills, during 7 days, considering they have a scout, they just scout the player who they want to NK next, kinda.

Like, I think there's some kind of consensus on who's a player and who's an NPC, which is going to show itself more as the days go on whether we want it or not.

I know I've hardclaimed NPC earlier but ftr I'm the kind of person who would claim NPC as a player. I think, at least, no that I'd know for sure...

Yeah you have a point
Idk why people think I'm a wolf specifically though lol
If I joined this game as a player and randed wolf I would have to put my ass into high gear and not just potato around doing nothing and refusing to give reads if I was getting pushed
I know that falls under the category of "self-meta" but tbh that's how I play mashes, I potato around for like two or three days until half the playerlist is gone and then I do shit
And if I get pushed before that point and am in actual danger of dying then I feel obligated to produce results even if I have no idea what I am doing
Which... is not a good approach but yeah

Do ppl really think you're a wolf specifically aside from Rondo? And yeah I guess there's a bit of "lol self meta" but w/e. Ftr I don't think you're a potato and I like your playstyle. I think you can do good stuff given enough space to work with. Which is partially the push from Rondo annoys me, I think, now that I've written it. Hm.

Creature, from what I saw, also thinks I'm a wolf
I'm being pretty potatoey in this game, though, that wouldn't be a wrong take but yeah i havent had the time or space which is a bit disappointing, definitely for me and probably for other people

Thing is that I just form my reads naturally as they come along (I mean when I'm not scum, obviously) and so if I don't have reads, it's not as if I'm hiding them, I just literally don't have reads. Of course every single post leaves some sort of an impression but I try my best to filter out how much of my bias is based on an alignment indicative piece of information, and how much can potentially be chalked up to playstyle, and I would like to think I account pretty well for different playstyles but in reality I suck at reading certain players and I'm fairly accurate at reading others. So that doesn't really mean much in the end, I feel like I tend to peg playstyles correctly but the ones I know I have difficulty in reading, still give me difficulty despite that I'm aware of this.

So like, the thing with Rondo is that I would generally assume jumping at me straight out of the door is more towny than not, I didn't come across as particularly willing to solve, and stated my intent to watch chaos unfold which was kind of antitown or at least not protown. I wouldn't fault someone for thinking that's scummy. But persisting on it for longer and continuing to try to rally others into scumreading me on what seems like pretty thin reasoning is kind of questionable.

The other thing is, some people just do that as town because that's how they play. But sometimes they're the type who's aware of what they do as town, and use it to hide behind as scum. I don't know Rondo as a player but from what I'm gathering from Sabi, it sounds like Rondo would be able to get away with tunnelling on a bad push as scum because he does do it as town too and is conscious of it.

So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong on this. But that's what I've understood so far, which is not to necessarily clear Rondo for choosing to tunnel me the whole day when there seems to be a kind of low amount of interest on my slot compared to the other wagon candidates.

Creature doesn't count he gives wolfreads for free everyday. God knows I've been on his scumlist for far too long.

I'm not sure if you're correct on your meta assessment of rondo bc I'm not familiar of him, but generally speaking I have trouble reading his type of playsyle.

As for the rest, this is a p townie post actually, shame we're both npcs :¨)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:45 pm

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:15 pm I know I've hardclaimed NPC earlier but ftr I'm the kind of person who would claim NPC as a player. I think, at least, no that I'd know for sure...

you are also the type of person that wouldnt join this as player :^)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:58 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:15 pm Yall telling me you wouldn't be calling lopbunny mommy if you saw them in person

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:35 pm

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:26 pm I love the fact that there's a game related conversation going on while the "lopbunny mommy" discourse is also happening around it.

Keep it going gang you're doing great.

just as mafia should be

also hi SK

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:09 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:41 pm

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:25 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pm

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:15 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:08 pm

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:06 pm 'sup Wind. How do you propose we approach the game?

Sorry if you've said this already I'm not sure if I'll backread the game.

It's fine
I think it's fine to sort out for yourself who you think is a player versus npc but it isn't great to out your "this is a town player" takes in the thread because it gives wolves a target if there is enough of a consensus on the slot
Whereas its favorable to town to let wolves mistakenly hit an Npc
And most NPCs will lurk and not put in effort, so they aren't going to be night killed anyway until the NPC cull.

I see the value in what you're proposing but I also think it's a bit utopic.

Nutella said this earlier but for some players it's kinda easy to figure out if they're the type of person who would sign up as a player or as an NPC. I don't think mafia will have a lot of trouble with the NKs, I'm p sure they'd miss like 1, 2 at most kills, during 7 days, considering they have a scout, they just scout the player who they want to NK next, kinda.

Like, I think there's some kind of consensus on who's a player and who's an NPC, which is going to show itself more as the days go on whether we want it or not.

I know I've hardclaimed NPC earlier but ftr I'm the kind of person who would claim NPC as a player. I think, at least, no that I'd know for sure...

Yeah you have a point
Idk why people think I'm a wolf specifically though lol
If I joined this game as a player and randed wolf I would have to put my ass into high gear and not just potato around doing nothing and refusing to give reads if I was getting pushed
I know that falls under the category of "self-meta" but tbh that's how I play mashes, I potato around for like two or three days until half the playerlist is gone and then I do shit
And if I get pushed before that point and am in actual danger of dying then I feel obligated to produce results even if I have no idea what I am doing
Which... is not a good approach but yeah

Do ppl really think you're a wolf specifically aside from Rondo? And yeah I guess there's a bit of "lol self meta" but w/e. Ftr I don't think you're a potato and I like your playstyle. I think you can do good stuff given enough space to work with. Which is partially the push from Rondo annoys me, I think, now that I've written it. Hm.

Creature, from what I saw, also thinks I'm a wolf
I'm being pretty potatoey in this game, though, that wouldn't be a wrong take but yeah i havent had the time or space which is a bit disappointing, definitely for me and probably for other people

Thing is that I just form my reads naturally as they come along (I mean when I'm not scum, obviously) and so if I don't have reads, it's not as if I'm hiding them, I just literally don't have reads. Of course every single post leaves some sort of an impression but I try my best to filter out how much of my bias is based on an alignment indicative piece of information, and how much can potentially be chalked up to playstyle, and I would like to think I account pretty well for different playstyles but in reality I suck at reading certain players and I'm fairly accurate at reading others. So that doesn't really mean much in the end, I feel like I tend to peg playstyles correctly but the ones I know I have difficulty in reading, still give me difficulty despite that I'm aware of this.

So like, the thing with Rondo is that I would generally assume jumping at me straight out of the door is more towny than not, I didn't come across as particularly willing to solve, and stated my intent to watch chaos unfold which was kind of antitown or at least not protown. I wouldn't fault someone for thinking that's scummy. But persisting on it for longer and continuing to try to rally others into scumreading me on what seems like pretty thin reasoning is kind of questionable.

The other thing is, some people just do that as town because that's how they play. But sometimes they're the type who's aware of what they do as town, and use it to hide behind as scum. I don't know Rondo as a player but from what I'm gathering from Sabi, it sounds like Rondo would be able to get away with tunnelling on a bad push as scum because he does do it as town too and is conscious of it.

So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong on this. But that's what I've understood so far, which is not to necessarily clear Rondo for choosing to tunnel me the whole day when there seems to be a kind of low amount of interest on my slot compared to the other wagon candidates.

Creature doesn't count he gives wolfreads for free everyday. God knows I've been on his scumlist for far too long.

I'm not sure if you're correct on your meta assessment of rondo bc I'm not familiar of him, but generally speaking I have trouble reading his type of playsyle.

As for the rest, this is a p townie post actually, shame we're both npcs :¨)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

When you're more serious than Jay you're lock town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Why do you think NPC Jay doesn’t want to solve?

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:56 pm Whoops. Upon further review, I realize that my vote did not count. A lot of votes did not count. Let me fix that:

[VOTE: Golden the Coward] aubergine


Up-to-Date Vote Count for Votes Cast Correctly:

Golden the Coward (4): DeeZees, Creature, Dys, G-Man
MasterRadishes (2): Ranmilla, Sloonei
Chelsea (1): Jack
Ender (1): Golden
Inawordyes (1): Ender
Marmot (1): Santy
Nanook (1): nutella
Sloonei (1): Scotty
WindwardAway (1): Rondo






We old-timers used to make spreadsheets like that to track votes and vote changes before we had fancy things like thread polls.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:59 pm I kinda wanna yeet everyone hunting for PCs vs NPCs into the sun under both the idea of it being unhelpful and unimportant and easy to get wrong but also the most blatant example of busywork you could think of.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:13 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

When you're more serious than Jay you're lock town

If I claim NPC, would it make you more or less likely to listen to me?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Why do you think NPC Jay doesn’t want to solve?

Because he entered the shitposting phase and chose not to leave it because he thought it was fun?
Idk, that's a personality thing and I don't think I've played anything that wasn't a mash with Jay
If you're saying he enjoys solving enough that he would solve even if he isn't in the game then tbh I would probably take your word for it
I've seen him give takes in the champs spec chat iirc
But those were standard size games and this is a large game if you count the NPCs

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:15 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

This is potentially a pretty wolfy take.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:58 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:15 pm Yall telling me you wouldn't be calling lopbunny mommy if you saw them in person

You have shared skaven Warhammer porn in a game

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:16 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

Why do you think NPC Jay doesn’t want to solve?

Because he entered the shitposting phase and chose not to leave it because he thought it was fun?
Idk, that's a personality thing and I don't think I've played anything that wasn't a mash with Jay
If you're saying he enjoys solving enough that he would solve even if he isn't in the game then tbh I would probably take your word for it
I've seen him give takes in the champs spec chat iirc
But those were standard size games and this is a large game if you count the NPCs

Jay probably cares more about solving than any player I know.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:59 pm I kinda wanna yeet everyone hunting for PCs vs NPCs into the sun under both the idea of it being unhelpful and unimportant and easy to get wrong but also the most blatant example of busywork you could think of.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:16 pm Fine imma go find the vote count

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:19 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:16 pm Fine imma go find the vote count

G-Man had one like 2-3 pages ago.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:18 pm I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:59 pm Golden the Coward (4): DeeZees, Creature, Dys, G-Man
MasterRadishes (2): Ranmilla, Sloonei
Chelsea (1): Jack
Ender (1): Golden
Inawordyes (1): Ender
Marmot (1): Santy
Nanook (1): nutella
Sloonei (1): Scotty
WindwardAway (1): Rondo
Rondo (1): Sabiplz

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:21 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:18 pm I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:24 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:21 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:18 pm I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?

Yes
And the thing with Rondo is not just that he is tunnelling me, but that he has been advocating for others to vote me as well.
So my thought was, does town try to round up other town to vote me out? Or is that a wolf move, trying to get the real town to vote me out, to ensure they aren't voting a wolf?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:32 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:10 pm ?

You know what, thats fair. I thought it was night one because I had done jack and shit.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:26 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:24 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:21 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:18 pm I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?

Yes
And the thing with Rondo is not just that he is tunnelling me, but that he has been advocating for others to vote me as well.
So my thought was, does town try to round up other town to vote me out? Or is that a wolf move, trying to get the real town to vote me out, to ensure they aren't voting a wolf?

Town PC prob has to be voting and persuading others to vote.

Wolf PC has no much motivation to be voting anyone instead of just sitting out and expect NPC violence, but one wolf PC could be doing the above to look town.

I thought Rondo was fine tbh.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:28 pm Could santygrass be one wolf player?