The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:27 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:26 pm @insertnamehere and @sig , assuming Quin has been mis-led by this pm, do you think it likely that you could both be aligned?

If he was mislead it would be by mafia so we're both not mafia yeah.

He could be indy, but i doubt it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:30 pm I'm crawling back into my turnip hole

Can I come with.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:57 pm @Quin

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 am nutella is a civ and either one of mac and golden is bad

IS this still true in your mind?

ye

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:36 am I'm currently thinking about a sig/Golden team.

Why

Also could you explain your note a bit more? And why we should trust some random message.

Golden was quick to deny my info-dump before. Feels like he's your teammate and was protecting you.

No, I was quick to challenge it.

How many times do I have to say that I NEVER PROTECT TEAMMATES. Literally never because it is the stupidest thing to do.

Go read Economics, where I bussed my entire team early and rode it to the end. That's how you win as scum. Not protecting someone who had just been outed as having a 50% chance of being bad.

If you think you should get to say something and everyone just believe it without asking questions, you've got another think coming.

I would still keep a look out for WIFOM-Golden defending his team mates because he'll think we think he knows better.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:19 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:17 pm Like I'm honestly shocked that in a role madness closed set up game everyone's just believing some random PM with information.

Because we have no reason to doubt it at all and it makes sense to have occurred in this game. There is zero reason to doubt it if you are a civilian and/or unaffected by it.

We have no reason to not not doubt it either though. Also how does it make sense? The way I see it two different night actions would've been needed to achieve it. Also no a civ/unaffected should doubt it. You're following information from an untraceable source, say INH and I both are civs (which you won't know since no flips and a mafia messenger would take advantage of that) who if you do figure out we're civs would you blame? Not quin since he just got the message but some faceless random player.

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Mac sent the message, built a fake meta case to distance himself from it and now is using it to try to get me lynched. And he doesn't want to kill me since one he might believe I can't be killed and two it would paint a giant LYNCH ME I"M SCUM sign on him.

Epi has already said he wants to lynch INH next that's two phases wasted and no civs gone and mafia 4x closer to winning.


Someone pushing this PM INH vs SIg is bad and had a hand in sending the message. ALso notice how I was targeted and a semi inactive player? And I had just won the election boosting me and giving me something.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:30 pm I'm crawling back into my turnip hole

Can I come with.

Absolutely not

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:32 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:27 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:26 pm @insertnamehere and @sig , assuming Quin has been mis-led by this pm, do you think it likely that you could both be aligned?

If he was mislead it would be by mafia so we're both not mafia yeah.

He could be indy, but i doubt it.

So you're not indy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:33 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:19 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:17 pm Like I'm honestly shocked that in a role madness closed set up game everyone's just believing some random PM with information.

Because we have no reason to doubt it at all and it makes sense to have occurred in this game. There is zero reason to doubt it if you are a civilian and/or unaffected by it.

We have no reason to not not doubt it either though. Also how does it make sense? The way I see it two different night actions would've been needed to achieve it. Also no a civ/unaffected should doubt it. You're following information from an untraceable source, say INH and I both are civs (which you won't know since no flips and a mafia messenger would take advantage of that) who if you do figure out we're civs would you blame? Not quin since he just got the message but some faceless random player.

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Mac sent the message, built a fake meta case to distance himself from it and now is using it to try to get me lynched. And he doesn't want to kill me since one he might believe I can't be killed and two it would paint a giant LYNCH ME I"M SCUM sign on him.

Epi has already said he wants to lynch INH next that's two phases wasted and no civs gone and mafia 4x closer to winning.


Someone pushing this PM INH vs SIg is bad and had a hand in sending the message. ALso notice how I was targeted and a semi inactive player? And I had just won the election boosting me and giving me something.

Oh ffs.



Is INH a civilian, sig?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:33 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:57 pm @Quin

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 am nutella is a civ and either one of mac and golden is bad

IS this still true in your mind?

ye

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:36 am I'm currently thinking about a sig/Golden team.

Why

Also could you explain your note a bit more? And why we should trust some random message.

Golden was quick to deny my info-dump before. Feels like he's your teammate and was protecting you.

No, I was quick to challenge it.

How many times do I have to say that I NEVER PROTECT TEAMMATES. Literally never because it is the stupidest thing to do.

Go read Economics, where I bussed my entire team early and rode it to the end. That's how you win as scum. Not protecting someone who had just been outed as having a 50% chance of being bad.

If you think you should get to say something and everyone just believe it without asking questions, you've got another think coming.

I would still keep a look out for WIFOM-Golden defending his team mates because he'll think we think he knows better.

If I thought that I wouldn't have to keep reminding people when they suspect me for the opposite.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:19 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:17 pm Like I'm honestly shocked that in a role madness closed set up game everyone's just believing some random PM with information.

Because we have no reason to doubt it at all and it makes sense to have occurred in this game. There is zero reason to doubt it if you are a civilian and/or unaffected by it.

We have no reason to not not doubt it either though. Also how does it make sense? The way I see it two different night actions would've been needed to achieve it. Also no a civ/unaffected should doubt it. You're following information from an untraceable source, say INH and I both are civs (which you won't know since no flips and a mafia messenger would take advantage of that) who if you do figure out we're civs would you blame? Not quin since he just got the message but some faceless random player.

Honestly wouldn't be shocked if Mac sent the message, built a fake meta case to distance himself from it and now is using it to try to get me lynched. And he doesn't want to kill me since one he might believe I can't be killed and two it would paint a giant LYNCH ME I"M SCUM sign on him.

Epi has already said he wants to lynch INH next that's two phases wasted and no civs gone and mafia 4x closer to winning.


Someone pushing this PM INH vs SIg is bad and had a hand in sending the message. ALso notice how I was targeted and a semi inactive player? And I had just won the election boosting me and giving me something.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

Nope it isn't, I'm doubtful that the message is good I think its a baddie power. I don't see why that's so odd.

Though seeing how so many people jumped on me maybe I'm wrong and INH is mafia and i'm being pushed by his teammates. BUT I doubt it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:28 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:20 pm "i bet the kyle and the baddies are laughing in btsc"

these words should be banned

EBWOP

linki: I assumed by his wording he meant a message and he never moved to correct me so I'm sticking with that until he says otherwise.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:30 pm I'm crawling back into my turnip hole

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:35 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:33 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:57 pm @Quin

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:31 am nutella is a civ and either one of mac and golden is bad

IS this still true in your mind?

ye

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:36 am I'm currently thinking about a sig/Golden team.

Why

Also could you explain your note a bit more? And why we should trust some random message.

Golden was quick to deny my info-dump before. Feels like he's your teammate and was protecting you.

No, I was quick to challenge it.

How many times do I have to say that I NEVER PROTECT TEAMMATES. Literally never because it is the stupidest thing to do.

Go read Economics, where I bussed my entire team early and rode it to the end. That's how you win as scum. Not protecting someone who had just been outed as having a 50% chance of being bad.

If you think you should get to say something and everyone just believe it without asking questions, you've got another think coming.

I would still keep a look out for WIFOM-Golden defending his team mates because he'll think we think he knows better.

If I thought that I wouldn't have to keep reminding people when they suspect me for the opposite.

Which is why you absolutely would have to remind people of your meta tendency to bus teammates for your ploy to work.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:38 pm @speedchuck can you please put an end-time on these polls?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:40 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

Nope it isn't, I'm doubtful that the message is good I think its a baddie power. I don't see why that's so odd.

Though seeing how so many people jumped on me maybe I'm wrong and INH is mafia and i'm being pushed by his teammates. BUT I doubt it.

On what basis do you believe this message comes from the forces of evil? Be clear.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:57 pm sig, at what point did you ever forget that I was in this?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:57 pm sig, at what point did you ever forget that I was in this?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

Nope it isn't, I'm doubtful that the message is good I think its a baddie power. I don't see why that's so odd.

Though seeing how so many people jumped on me maybe I'm wrong and INH is mafia and i'm being pushed by his teammates. BUT I doubt it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:41 pm Also if I was mafia why wouldn't I bury INH? THERE ARE NO FLIPS I could've come out swinging against him got him lynched and I'd have been fine. Like it makes no sense why mafia wouldn't take advantage of that. The fact I'm pointing out another option makes me more likely to be civ since I could've just tunneled him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:45 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:41 pm Also if I was mafia why wouldn't I bury INH? THERE ARE NO FLIPS I could've come out swinging against him got him lynched and I'd have been fine. Like it makes no sense why mafia wouldn't take advantage of that. The fact I'm pointing out another option makes me more likely to be civ since I could've just tunneled him.

Because there are no flips and we have to lynch you both anyway so your only chance of survival is to cast doubt on the message itself.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:44 pm Just to be clear I have no information to hint that INH is a civ or that the message was sent by mafia, but I'm almost certain it was and that Mac is a member of that team.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:40 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

Nope it isn't, I'm doubtful that the message is good I think its a baddie power. I don't see why that's so odd.

Though seeing how so many people jumped on me maybe I'm wrong and INH is mafia and i'm being pushed by his teammates. BUT I doubt it.

On what basis do you believe this message comes from the forces of evil? Be clear.

I'm a civ
I believe he's a civ
I think it's just as likely that this is a mafia power as a civ power and that thoughts compounded by the fact that nobody else seems to question it.
I think mafia would send a PM saying that one of two civ players aren't civ to get us both lynched and distract the thread from anything else.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.

It did elude my attention. Could you point this out?

Because if INH is indy it's not impossible that sig is town and just being suspicious because that's how he does things.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:42 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:35 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:33 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:40 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:57 pm @Quin



IS this still true in your mind?

ye



Why

Also could you explain your note a bit more? And why we should trust some random message.

Golden was quick to deny my info-dump before. Feels like he's your teammate and was protecting you.

No, I was quick to challenge it.

How many times do I have to say that I NEVER PROTECT TEAMMATES. Literally never because it is the stupidest thing to do.

Go read Economics, where I bussed my entire team early and rode it to the end. That's how you win as scum. Not protecting someone who had just been outed as having a 50% chance of being bad.

If you think you should get to say something and everyone just believe it without asking questions, you've got another think coming.

I would still keep a look out for WIFOM-Golden defending his team mates because he'll think we think he knows better.

If I thought that I wouldn't have to keep reminding people when they suspect me for the opposite.

Which is why you absolutely would have to remind people of your meta tendency to bus teammates for your ploy to work.

Luna, trust me when I say this...

Telling people things never makes them listen. You have to prove it to them over games and games and games before you can flip your meta on them. And it's only worth doing it in circumstances where it's particularly meaningful, because it undoes sooo much work, and you have to start building new metas from scratch.

When I bussed people in Economics, it worked particular well because I NEVER bussed people. It still works because of the way people perceive me. I can get a lot of civ cred through leading a successful lynch if I play my cards right. But also, it partly works because I frequently successfully lead lynches when town, too, so I'm 'on meta'.

I will flip my meta on people one day. But it won't be a day when I'm reminding you of the meta I'm going to flip on you, I promise you. I know enough to know I can never convince you of what I'm telling you and betray it all in the same game - you saw how hard I had to fight just to get people to pick a different poll option on a non-important poll in U-Pick. It's not that easy to get people to listen to what you're saying. I cultivate meta as a long con, not a short con, because that's what builds the successful flip.

(Plus, there's no value to me ruining my meta in that way in a game like this. I could just as easily defend my teammates given they wouldn't flip bad, and then claim I chose to play this game differently because of the different set up which enabled me to do it, but that it isn't a shift in my meta, just a particular circumstance that required different play).

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.

It did elude my attention. Could you point this out?

Because if INH is indy it's not impossible that sig is town and just being suspicious because that's how he does things.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:42 am I thought Scotty's D1 voting pattern was weird and suspicious enough for me to vote for him, however, if he later went against what made me suspicious, I was open to changing it to someone else.

Quin is trying to put me in a situation where I either post the details of my role, proving that I'm not a threat to the civilians, or he's gonna make me look like a confirmed baddie, and serve my head on a platter.

But apparently the first is malevolent blackmail, and the second is okay, kosher civ behavior.


Linki:

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:34 am Why should I care about your role? Scum gets fakeclaims.

What? I thought fake-claims were more character based. Like, if everyone said the name of their role, and three of the names were obvious bad guys in time-travel related tales, then fakeclaims would allow them to at least appear as simpatico, non-enemy sounding roles. That's how I used them in the games I've hosted. I'm not familiar with fake-claims including fake abilities.

Well, what the fuck do you want from me, Quin? If literally nothing I can say about myself or my role could change anything, fuck it.

Might as well ignore you then.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:43 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:40 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I'm about 85% sure he's mafia and sent the PM to quin to get INH and myself lynched all the while absolving himself of blame for our deaths.

This is bullshit.

If you were a civilian, and you knew yourself for a civilian, and Quin got a message saying you and INH were not "aligned," you should have been ready to bury INH.

Instead, you're making up funny theories about the origin of the message.

Nope it isn't, I'm doubtful that the message is good I think its a baddie power. I don't see why that's so odd.

Though seeing how so many people jumped on me maybe I'm wrong and INH is mafia and i'm being pushed by his teammates. BUT I doubt it.

On what basis do you believe this message comes from the forces of evil? Be clear.

I'm a civ
I believe he's a civ
I think it's just as likely that this is a mafia power as a civ power and that thoughts compounded by the fact that nobody else seems to question it.
I think mafia would send a PM saying that one of two civ players aren't civ to get us both lynched and distract the thread from anything else.

On what basis do you believe INH is a civilian?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:47 pm Also mafia, civ, indy, why would I not cast doubt on a message that's going to get me lynched regardless! If anything this entire thing is NAI.

It should also be noted that Mac is pushing this and he's either mafia trying to lynch me or a tunneling civvie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:13 pm INH's reaction is not exactly what I would expect but it is a lot more easy to rationalise than sig's has been.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:42 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:38 pm @speedchuck can you please put an end-time on these polls?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:49 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:47 pm Also mafia, civ, indy, why would I not cast doubt on a message that's going to get me lynched regardless! If anything this entire thing is NAI.

It should also be noted that Mac is pushing this and he's either mafia trying to lynch me or a tunneling civvie.

No sig I am a civilian who based on the balance of probability considers you highly likely to be mafia and I am not alone.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:50 pm OH WAIT

Did Speed ever say mafia would get fake flavor?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:57 pm sig, at what point did you ever forget that I was in this?

I answered that, when I made a list ranking all the player from civ to mafia you weren't on it I forgot you.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:13 pm and wow I keep forgetting that Epi is in this game, and he didnt do any day 1 shenanigans. I'd put him as Mafia maybe on my list.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 pm By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:49 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:42 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:38 pm @speedchuck can you please put an end-time on these polls?

okay, but like for next time though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:22 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:16 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:11 pm How does a civilian when posed the scenario that another player has info that declares that they are not the same alignment as another player that they should not know the role of - rationalise to question the validity of that information as their primary response as opposed to becoming extremely confident of the scum alignment of the other player?

Mafia however would undoubtedly seek to do this because otherwise they will be lynched in due course. Their only long term plan for survival here is to place doubt on the validity of the information.

Ergo there is very little doubt that sig is scum at this point.

It was a random PM sent saying we were unaligned why trust that? I totally bet somewhere in scum chat land a player is giggling that y'all are failing for such an obvious ploy to get people lynched. Also how would a player both get access to that information AND be able to send a PM? Unless Quin is lying about the PM being sent and it's his role. If so then yeah I'd go after INH since ik I'm civ until we know that though I think Quin is a duped civ and mafia sent him a message containing the names of two civs so y'all would witch hunt us.

In my experience scum don't come up with random gambits that put themselves out there on day 2 just for the benefit of lynching one of two random civilians but I would be happy to receive evidence of such a thing having precedence let alone such frequency so as to be considered an "obvious ploy.

It also doesn't take much creativity to think of a role that another player (not named quin) might have that can explain this event.

"Each night you may send a player a letter with two names in it and they will be informed if those players are aligned together or not."

Work backwards from there to add flavour.