Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

#1301

Very early in game, I thought I saw a subtle connection between DDL and Nova. Not indicating good or bad, just kind of having civil conversation, in and around lots of Jay posts. I thought it might develop into something indicating something, but it stopped after the thread got so busy. I also thought I saw a connection between Juliet’s and Jay, a bit later, but I didn’t see the connection with Jack that someone else brought up. Anyway, early stuff got dropped with more recent stuff.

DDL no read, not a boat rocker?
Dunya town
Elohcin leaning bad, I don’t think her posts felt genuine, but her reaction to the lynch was more important. I remember in Gossip Girl, I wasn’t really crazy about the way the lynches were handled, but I came around to appreciating it. Elohcin played that game but she didn’t get upset at all over the last minute vote switching. Her reaction today felt personal.

I’ll be back in a few with more.

#1302

MacDougall and the leetic / Neverwhere / reywaS group

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These bits are all extracted from the larger Mac reads list. He included the three of them (and Long Con, who I'll discuss separately) in his non-rainbow-worthy portion.

These things don't say much of anything. The only "interesting" thing I draw is that Mac saw fit to declare that LC specifically is worse than leetic, or at least it's implied.

Conclusion: Keep 'em all in the suspect pool.

#1303

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:56 pm Elohcin leaning bad, I don’t think her posts felt genuine, but her reaction to the lynch was more important. I remember in Gossip Girl, I wasn’t really crazy about the way the lynches were handled, but I came around to appreciating it. Elohcin played that game but she didn’t get upset at all over the last minute vote switching. Her reaction today felt personal.

Thank you for this, Matahari. I was hoping to check Elohcin's emotion against other similar games, and you've given me a place to start.

#1304

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:56 pm Very early in game, I thought I saw a subtle connection between DDL and Nova. Not indicating good or bad, just kind of having civil conversation, in and around lots of Jay posts. I thought it might develop into something indicating something, but it stopped after the thread got so busy. I also thought I saw a connection between Juliet’s and Jay, a bit later, but I didn’t see the connection with Jack that someone else brought up. Anyway, early stuff got dropped with more recent stuff.

DDL no read, not a boat rocker?
Dunya town
Elohcin leaning bad, I don’t think her posts felt genuine, but her reaction to the lynch was more important. I remember in Gossip Girl, I wasn’t really crazy about the way the lynches were handled, but I came around to appreciating it. Elohcin played that game but she didn’t get upset at all over the last minute vote switching. Her reaction today felt personal.

I’ll be back in a few with more.

Very interesting point Mata about Gossip Girl. Do you remember if anyone got lynched who wasn't there? I died like the first night so I don't remember anything.

#1305

Eloh was town in Gossip Girl? When was she last mafia?

#1306

I always suspect Eloh so I only remember her town games where I was mafia.

#1307

MacDougall and Long Con

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I just mentioned this. Mac shaded LC more than the other lowest-posters.

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Mac voiced some willingness to lynch LC among the people in his lurker pile. This doesn't mean much to me in the absence of follow-up.

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Around EOD Long Con supported me against Mac. Some part of me is feeling bus here, though it's difficult to describe why. At the least I am surprised Long Con was able to agree with me regarding Mac's read on juliets -- it was about how involved juliets was. Did LC himself know how involved juliets was? I wouldn't expect that.

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Conclusion: I'll call them compatible teammates even if this stuff isn't indicative.

#1308

MacDougall and Lunalee

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I think this says more about dunya than it says about Luna. It's an accusation though so okay.

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Okay then.

Fuckin yellow

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And a very yellow take. I might say it looks like a deliberate nothingburger. I'll refrain from too much WIFOM.

Luna chats with Mac in multi-quotes. There is that inauthentic (in my opinion) "crazy" comment to start, a softball about nutella, and a LOL. I'm not into it, man.

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I wish I had a clue why. She didn't make it terribly clear how she viewed either of these players before this point.

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Conclusion: Votes are worth little to me. She's compatible enough to remain in my suspect pool.

#1309

I didn't know how involved juliets was - I just agreed that the post you quoted sounded fake.

#1310

Jack - really pushes players, came out hard against Daisy and Juliet’s, when almost no one else agreed. Did complete about face around lynch time. I need to reread him, I would have said leaning bad, but I want to reread first.

Jay - seems the same as last game, seems town, but I could be fooled. I’ll stick with town for now.

Juliet’s - seems quieter than usual. I thought she was raked over the coals for a simple joke earlier, but I need to reread her too. Maybe all the grilling over what seemed like a joke to me, put her off a bit.

Linki will answer in a few.

#1311

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:51 pm @speedchuck

Psycho Pass or Hat In Time?

The latter.

Haven't seen PP.

#1312

MacDougall and Matahari

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Shrug.

Light green in the rainbow -- whatever

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Alrighty.

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Alrighty again.

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Mata drew a meta comparison for Mac to Gossip Girl. At face value I find it believable enough.

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Conclusion: There's not enough here to clear Matahari. I think she's probably okay, but I'll keep her in the suspect pool.

#1313

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:20 pm Jack - really pushes players, came out hard against Daisy and Juliet’s, when almost no one else agreed. Did complete about face around lynch time. I need to reread him, I would have said leaning bad, but I want to reread first.

Jay - seems the same as last game, seems town, but I could be fooled. I’ll stick with town for now.

Juliet’s - seems quieter than usual. I thought she was raked over the coals for a simple joke earlier, but I need to reread her too. Maybe all the grilling over what seemed like a joke to me, put her off a bit.

Linki will answer in a few.

#1314

Hello, I have seen that the End of Day activity created a bit of a stir in the thread. I do not think it's my place as the moderator to comment on any of that, but I would just like to remind everyone that I am available to talk about frustrations of any kind relating to this game.

We are all here to play a game on the internet and we all want that to be a good time for everybody. I think a conversation about how to help make that happen is worth revisiting in the post-game phase.

#1315

[mention]juliets[/mention] I don’t remember if that specifically happened, but that was only one of the reasons that Elo mentioned. I don’t know, after I finish updating and posting my notes, I will go back over the Elo posts here and the voting in GG.

#1316

MacDougall and nijuukyugou

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Effortfully fake civilian credit for niju.

She only earned a FUCKIN yellow in the rainbow though. Fakety fake fake

Mac doubled down with this shit

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Silly. Part of me thinks that MacDougall is literally telling me that niju is his teammate. I don't care about the WIFOM though and am inclined to believe him.

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GROSS.

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Conclusion: I have a new top suspect.

#1317

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:51 pm @speedchuck

Psycho Pass or Hat In Time?
The latter.

Haven't seen PP.

Wait what? What was the anime you were telling me to watch when I was telling you to watch Fate while my teammates were being ripped limb from limb in VH?

#1318

I'll save nova for after dinner. I've been looking forward to that one.

#1319

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:23 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:20 pm Jack - really pushes players, came out hard against Daisy and Juliet’s, when almost no one else agreed. Did complete about face around lynch time. I need to reread him, I would have said leaning bad, but I want to reread first.

Jay - seems the same as last game, seems town, but I could be fooled. I’ll stick with town for now.

Juliet’s - seems quieter than usual. I thought she was raked over the coals for a simple joke earlier, but I need to reread her too. Maybe all the grilling over what seemed like a joke to me, put her off a bit.

Linki will answer in a few.

You know, that would be a really good mafia team js.

#1320

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:20 pm Jack - really pushes players, came out hard against Daisy and Juliet’s, when almost no one else agreed. Did complete about face around lynch time. I need to reread him, I would have said leaning bad, but I want to reread first.

Jay - seems the same as last game, seems town, but I could be fooled. I’ll stick with town for now.

Juliet’s - seems quieter than usual. I thought she was raked over the coals for a simple joke earlier, but I need to reread her too. Maybe all the grilling over what seemed like a joke to me, put her off a bit.

Linki will answer in a few.

lol, mata I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing because the descriptions of me this game (e.g., Daisy thought I was over confident, you thought I was quiet,) make me seem like a psycho. I assure you though this is my normal level of being involved. I may even be a little bit more involved tonight than I usually am because I am not afraid of a mafia kill. (I was killed night 1 in two games recently.)

#1321

Re: Jay's Mac/niju analysis, I hated her vote. It was the worst reason in my opinion anyone gave for voting nutella.

#1322

This is probably obvious but niju takes the spot for my highest suspicion.

#1323

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:51 pm @speedchuck

Psycho Pass or Hat In Time?
The latter.

Haven't seen PP.
Wait what? What was the anime you were telling me to watch when I was telling you to watch Fate while my teammates were being ripped limb from limb in VH?

Promised Neverland? Single cour, new anime of this year? Best thing. So good.

I'd take it over Hat in TIme.

#1324

MacDougall and novaselinenever

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k

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So interesting. Meh

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Implied shade, no pressure actually applied.

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What?

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More implied shade.

Mac throws poop at nova -- still of a pretty gentle variety

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Okay then.

Dark green in the rainbow -- The progression is certainly bullshit. That's to be expected from a confirmed mafioso. Whether it says something about nova is less certain, but it's at least unique among Mac's handling of the players in this game.

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Suddenly this one interests me a little bit more. Does nova know the answers to some of these questions?

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I like how Mac did nothing whatsoever with this. Regarding nova it doesn't mean much to me, it just made me chuckle.

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Mac earned a place on the suspect shortlist. Cool beans.

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nova stated some gripes about Mac when I prodded him to expand on his shortlist. The reasoning here seems fair enough.

Mac gets an orange skittle in the rainbow list. He remains ahead of speedchuck, Neverwhere, and nutella.

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There's some prodding. Sure.

nova answered to Mac's earlier thrown poop -- doesn't extend at all on his own read of Mac, means little to me

You play Mafia the right way

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nova ceased his suspicion of Mac and stood in his defense later in Day 1. I don't really understand why nova found Mac's influx of reads appealing or felt that they were developing. Indeed much of my own suspicion centered on the reads seeming quite fake. People may disagree, and a guy is allowed to be wrong sometimes. It's a curious discrepancy though that must be acknowledged regarding nova.

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Conclusion: Unsurprisingly, there's a lot to unpack with this one. Straight up, do I think nova and Mac are compatible teammates? Yes, I do. There's one basic parallel in their treatment of one another: they started negative, and then abruptly turned positive. I don't think nova sounds inauthentic in his commentary about Mac, which is a nice thing. It stands though that when it mattered most, he was on the wrong side. He'll have to answer for it.

#1325

MacDougall and nutella

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Somewhat softball.

Mens rea -- I have no idea.

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I think Mac was trying to get on my good side here without being so overt as to buddy me. That's good for nutella, because had this lynch been converted and she flipped civilian, the brunt of the blame would likely fall upon me more than Mac.

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A sort of discredit of nutella by implying that her play is in some way derived from my own and unoriginal (which is of course silly).

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I still don't know what this is. I have seen The Matrix.

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Mac wants to encourage the sustenance of the nutella wagon by way of discrediting a blooming counter.

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Generic prod of me regarding nutella. Meh.

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I don't think Mac was worried about things like this reflecting well on nutella, because he was likely in a strategic mindset in which he outlived her anyway. In that regard then, he is just heaping shit on the largest wagon and trying to get it through the finish line. Nice for nutella.

Red in the rainbow list -- predictable

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nutella found the juliets/Mac thing to be sPiCy.

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nutella placed Mac among others on notice in her early reads bit. And here's a little prod

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nutella was ahead of the curve on this one, and I think it looks authentic.

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nutella named Mac as a shit-listee among those voting for her.

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After briefly reconsidering her feelings on Mac, nutella ended up choosing him as her preferred counterwagon to herself. That required her to specifically pull away from Luna. Neat. She switched to juliets briefly and then returned to Mac when juliets claimed. She pushed Mac as the counterwagon and did not show interest in the Neverwhere option that appeared late.

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Conclusion: I doubt that nutella is a teammate of Mac.

#1326

MacDougall and Spacedaisy

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Generic "explain your bad reads" prod.

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I won't award Daisy points for stank like this. I won't deduct them either given that I am stuck right next to her.

Light green in the rainbow. Snore.

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Daisy answered Mac's call about nova and speedchuck. It was just chatter.

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Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:55 pmAre you high? Are you over there chilling with Speedchuck taking his pain meds?

I wasn’t defending Juliets. I was suspecting you for making a more serious thing of that stupid joke post she made than there was.I didn’t believe at that point that anyone took any of that shit seriously and I find it shocking to realize that nutella actually did agree with what Nova clearly made as a joke. And you parsed it out like someone made an actual argument. Why would I defend Mac or Nova or anyone else? I wasn’t defending anyone because I think the original post is a stupid non issue that YOU helped make something out of. That struck me as suspicious. It has nothing to do with Juliets or Mac. And I can certainly think they are suspicious for other reasons if I do choose. It is not mutually exclusive because I don’t have info. I can and probably am wrong about some of my reads.

Mac is a town read for me at this point. Go on and tell me how now it just be a baddie team of Mac/Daisy/Juliets.

I’m not bad and you need to get out of your tunnel if you are civ as well.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:58 pm What?

No, if you’re scum with Juliets, that makes Mac town. You treated Mac and Juliets differently. You treated the player you suspect (Juliets) better than the player you don’t (Mac).
Ffs Jack! Why can’t you get it through your skull that I WASN’T DEFENDING JULIETS! I was ACCUSING you for doing something suspicious. I don’t believe Mac or Nova are bad. I do suspect Juliets. And at that point I suspected you too. I can’t decide right now if you are civ and tunneling or just fucking bad because you are totally unwilling to open your goddamn mind for a second and try and see it from my viewpoint. Bsjcjjeudbfkzk c

I’m going to spend my last few hours in Ohio with my dad. I’m still going to be checking in occasionally. I’m still working out where I want to put my vote. But I will cast it.

I don't know what led us to this read, but sure.

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Daisy stood in Mac's corner for a bit at EOD. Take it or leave it. I don't think Daisy sounds inauthentic. I still can't figure out why she read him as a civilian though. She questioned my suspicions, but that's not the same thing as "Mac is a civilian because ______".

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Neat enough vote at least. Given the circumstances I have to say that it is bus-compatible. At least she left it in my hands; that's better than attempting to assume any credit herself. I'm not sure she'd left herself a choice though.

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Conclusion: This is one of those things where the evidence in front of me says "Spacedaisy must remain in the suspect pool", and I will respect the evidence in that regard. Do I think she's Mac's teammate? Not really.

#1327

MacDougall and speedchuck

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Mac called DDL and speed his top town reads. I do think there's a distinction here: DDL had thick enough content that Mac could thoroughly describe his fake read. With speedchuck, he had to be vague. As such I think there's less obvious potential for pocketing on this end, and that it doesn't reflect as well on speed as it does on DDL.

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He reinforces that position here, and uses it as a conduit to gripe about nova. That may technically be decent for speed, though I lose interest given that Mac did not actually pursue this at all.

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This is a curious moment. Previously, Mac had said that nova felt pinged by every speedchuck post and he couldn't disagree more. This would imply then that Mac was not pinged by speedchuck.

And yet, this post indicates that Mac had doubts about his initial pings. What initial pings? There's no actual read here either; he signs off with a reference to reproduction.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:06 am They had sex.

speedchuck gets his own little yellow-orange color. Kinda ew.

speedchuck himself said nothing relevant about Mac in any post.

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Conclusion: I don't care for a lot of this. speedchuck got problems

#1328

Based on a combination of those interactions and my impressions of players at face value:

Dragon D. Luffy
dunya
nutella

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Kites
Matahari
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy

Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS

speedchuck

nijuukyugou

#1329

I absolutely must focus on my real work now. If I end up dead you have your legacy. You'll probably hear from me before the end of the night anyway.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1330

I appreciate the findings on speed and niju. I think Luna is still my top suspect but those other two are....heading to flavortown.

#1331

Luna - I noticed her case on Kites, someone I’ve never played with before, but it seemed really weak, comparing it to other players who had mentioned him favorably ( I don’t remember who now, I don’t keep spreadsheets) I didn’t 100% buy it.
She came in after Epig made an announcement about the 24 hour cut off, which is noticeable to me. Like maybe she was tipped off, maybe not. Then she lectured someone about not voting for absentee players, again makes me think of being on a team with an absentee player. I could have voted her for those reasons, but it would have been a pointless vote. Leaning bad.

Nova - I didn’t have any reason to see him as bad, he posted a lot but it seemed like he was trying to be a presence, like no reason to hide. ?

Nutella - her posting hasn’t been as insightful as it usually is. More bickering than I’m used to seeing. Leaning town.

#1332

Spacedaisy - I didn’t see anything wrong with Daisy’s posts, also I was really surprised that Jack made such a deal out of them. Maybe I’m missing something there, but I’m leaning town on her. For now anyway
Any others are people who are not here, rarely here, or just people I need to reread, I’ll do it later.

#1333

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:44 pm MacDougall and novaselinenever

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:24 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:22 pm What's up, Mac?
Oh nothing much Nova just being a civ again how bout you?

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:31 pm I see Nova is suspicious of me for filling the thread with useful content. That's interesting.

So interesting. Meh

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:47 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:30 am novaselinenever, lemme get a full reads list, whether a rainbow or whatever.
Juliets
Spacedaisy
Dragon D. Luffy
Matahari
Kites
Lunalee
nijuukyugou
Jackofhearts2005
leetic
dunya
Jay
Long Con
Elochin
MacDougall
Neverwhere
speedchuck
nutella
You usually tunnel when you are suspicious of me. What the fux m8?

Implied shade, no pressure actually applied.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:04 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:19 am Mac, who's bad with Nutella?
This is such lazy bullshit. It's like Jay is Agent Smith.

What?

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:13 am Nova when prodded said that every post speedchuck has made pings him.

Who agrees with that?

Because I couldn't disagree more.

More implied shade.

Mac throws poop at nova -- still of a pretty gentle variety

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:28 am I just skimmed Nova ISO. He's town. Moving on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:59 amAlready skimmed nova. Town. Look away.

Okay then.

Dark green in the rainbow -- The progression is certainly bullshit. That's to be expected from a confirmed mafioso. Whether it says something about nova is less certain, but it's at least unique among Mac's handling of the players in this game.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:04 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?
Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

Suddenly this one interests me a little bit more. Does nova know the answers to some of these questions?

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:50 pm What did I miss?
Jay's bad.

I like how Mac did nothing whatsoever with this. Regarding nova it doesn't mean much to me, it just made me chuckle.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:15 pm Hello! I'm Nova and I've read the whole thread. AMA.
who's bad
you
nutella
neverwhere
elohcin
Mac

who's bad?

Mac earned a place on the suspect shortlist. Cool beans.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:56 pmMac's shady. I don't like the way he flooded the thread à la Jack with a whole bunch of disorganized quotes when he was prodded. It strikes me more as an attempt to bigger his reach, making himself memorable in his contribution by quoting a whole lot of people on different issues and get a semblance of interaction going with them. I'm saying that 'cause I'm not seeing a train of thoughts emerging from them. They seem pretty arbitrary and it's mostly stuff that aren't adding much to the conversation.

nova stated some gripes about Mac when I prodded him to expand on his shortlist. The reasoning here seems fair enough.

Mac gets an orange skittle in the rainbow list. He remains ahead of speedchuck, Neverwhere, and nutella.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:04 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:19 am Mac, who's bad with Nutella?
This is such lazy bullshit. It's like Jay is Agent Smith.

Who else do you read bad?

There's some prodding. Sure.

nova answered to Mac's earlier thrown poop -- doesn't extend at all on his own read of Mac, means little to me

You play Mafia the right way

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:00 pm What's the deal with Mac? I cooled off on him a whole lot after his presence this morning. Lot of good stuff from him.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:28 pm I don't see what y'all see on Mac. At least not anymore.

Feels to me like it revolves mostly about how he's handling you (looking at you Dunya and Jay) rather than his overall play.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:42 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:34 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:30 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:28 pm I don't see what y'all see on Mac. At least not anymore.

Feels to me like it revolves mostly about how he's handling you (looking at you Dunya and Jay) rather than his overall play.
What is to like?
I liked his early work today. Beside his handling of you, what do you have against him?
He seems like a player who is trying to put people in his pocket. That applies to DDL, myself (by way of parroting my nutella gripes), and dunya. I don't believe his civilian reads appear genuine. What was it about his early work that you liked? What did he do?
That's kind of what I suspected him for before today. I liked his efforts leading to his wall posts and the rainbow. He put in a good amount of work and most of his reads come as earned. I liked how he reconsidered Nutella and Speedchuck. Feel like his reads are developing and they don't seem contrived at all. His Niju thoughts echoes mine.

What isn't genuine about his civilian reads? The DDL one was something prompted from their interactions, and felt like natural conversation especially considering its context (The Firefly game).

nova ceased his suspicion of Mac and stood in his defense later in Day 1. I don't really understand why nova found Mac's influx of reads appealing or felt that they were developing. Indeed much of my own suspicion centered on the reads seeming quite fake. People may disagree, and a guy is allowed to be wrong sometimes. It's a curious discrepancy though that must be acknowledged regarding nova.

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Conclusion: Unsurprisingly, there's a lot to unpack with this one. Straight up, do I think nova and Mac are compatible teammates? Yes, I do. There's one basic parallel in their treatment of one another: they started negative, and then abruptly turned positive. I don't think nova sounds inauthentic in his commentary about Mac, which is a nice thing. It stands though that when it mattered most, he was on the wrong side. He'll have to answer for it.

Looks good to me. An old civilian that was on the right track at first, and was fooled as time passed by

I'm here to answer for my crimes.

#1334

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:33 amI'm here to answer for my crimes.

Who do you think looks worst given present knowledge?

#1335

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:40 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:33 amI'm here to answer for my crimes.
Who do you think looks worst given present knowledge?

Speed, Niju and Eloh I'd say.

#1336

It's that damn niju tone

#1337

Y'all make sure you keep your feet on the gas pedal. I don't want my work rendering the thread complacent and poopy. If I am wrong about something or things, I need others to fill that void.

#1338

I'm not sure on how to feel about Matahari's read posts. Feels like they belong to mid-D1 rather than the aftermath of a lynch and a Mafia flip.

#1339

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:31 am I'm not sure on how to feel about Matahari's read posts. Feels like they belong to mid-D1 rather than the aftermath of a lynch and a Mafia flip.

That’s because some of them are. Several people asked me to post what I had, so I did, even though things can change from day to day.
To be fair about Elohcin, I’ve spent the last couple hours rereading Gossip Girl. Elo called the posting style a Chinese fire drill, and commented on how things were moving too fast near eod. But she handled it well and discussed changing her vote on a few of the lynches. On day 4, reywaS was lynched, and he had been gone most of the day. He posted early about who he would vote for, but he never came back. Close to eod, elohcin noted that she hoped he would come back and vote to tie things up. She was a civ, she tried to be fair, she did comment on the craziness of all the last minute stuff, but she didn’t get upset about it. Probably because Rey could have come back if he wanted.
But I still don’t feel good about her being so upset today.

#1340

i didn’t like how long con and niju, both had posted basically nothing before this, suddenly showed up at the last minutes before eod as if they were reminded to vote. long con vote does look like a bus and niju’s nutella vote, which was a quick decision cos ”no time to catch up”, looks like an attempt at saving mac

don’t really think they both are bad but can’t rule out that possibility either. but we’ll see how the next day turns out

eloh reaction didn’t catch my attention that much since she had been complaining about the game since the beginning

#1341

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:40 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:33 amI'm here to answer for my crimes.
Who do you think looks worst given present knowledge?
Speed, Niju and Eloh I'd say.

nova is your read on Elo due to her emotion at the end of EOD or are there other reasons you see her as bad? I'm a little more conflicted about her after sleeping on it than I was last night.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:33 am
Looks good to me. An old civilian that was on the right track at first, and was fooled as time passed by

I'm here to answer for my crimes.

nova, whatever crimes you're here to answer for could you go ahead and answer for them?

One thing I would like to know, you were a hard town read for me at the beginning of the game because I was seeing the civ nova I've seen for 3 games in a row. But then, you dropped off and weren't leading/pushing the thread as much as I'm used to. What's up with that? I don't have you as a mafia read but you've slipped in my green spectrum.

#1343

Morning, Eloh. Hope you’re feeling better.

#1344

Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:56 pm Very early in game, I thought I saw a subtle connection between DDL and Nova. Not indicating good or bad, just kind of having civil conversation, in and around lots of Jay posts. I thought it might develop into something indicating something, but it stopped after the thread got so busy. I also thought I saw a connection between Juliet’s and Jay, a bit later, but I didn’t see the connection with Jack that someone else brought up. Anyway, early stuff got dropped with more recent stuff.

DDL no read, not a boat rocker?
Dunya town
Elohcin leaning bad, I don’t think her posts felt genuine, but her reaction to the lynch was more important. I remember in Gossip Girl, I wasn’t really crazy about the way the lynches were handled, but I came around to appreciating it. Elohcin played that game but she didn’t get upset at all over the last minute vote switching. Her reaction today felt personal.

I’ll be back in a few with more.

Did we have people playing that game who were asleep when lynched?

I remember a time on this site when, if sanified, you would not be lynched. Players gave you a phase so you had a chance to defend yourself in case you were civ. These days, players will ignore you for a whole phase b/c someone made a confident, but wrong, claim. Even if you are pleading with them to listen. These days, you can be accused and lynched without being given a moment for defense. The fact that mac was bad is beside the point. I'm glad y'all got him. Good for you. But it's the principle. Jack can say I complain a lot. Fuck that... I have principles.

Now... I'm done talking about this. It is only taking away from finding baddies in this game. I am setting my feelings aside and moving forward.
We got a baddie!!! Let's do it again.

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Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:36 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:31 am I'm not sure on how to feel about Matahari's read posts. Feels like they belong to mid-D1 rather than the aftermath of a lynch and a Mafia flip.
That’s because some of them are. Several people asked me to post what I had, so I did, even though things can change from day to day.
To be fair about Elohcin, I’ve spent the last couple hours rereading Gossip Girl. Elo called the posting style a Chinese fire drill, and commented on how things were moving too fast near eod. But she handled it well and discussed changing her vote on a few of the lynches. On day 4, reywaS was lynched, and he had been gone most of the day. He posted early about who he would vote for, but he never came back. Close to eod, elohcin noted that she hoped he would come back and vote to tie things up. She was a civ, she tried to be fair, she did comment on the craziness of all the last minute stuff, but she didn’t get upset about it. Probably because Rey could have come back if he wanted.
But I still don’t feel good about her being so upset today.

Rey was in discord at that time talking with friends (including me). He could have come in and voted. He could have participated. He chose not to. I did not feel bad voting him. You are missing my point.

#1346

I shouldn't be starting at the end and.going backwards with reading thr thread, but I'm on my phone and it would be difficult to find where I left off.

#1347

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:22 pm Based on a combination of those interactions and my impressions of players at face value:

Dragon D. Luffy
dunya
nutella

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Kites
Matahari
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy

Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS

speedchuck

nijuukyugou

Why niju? You opinions of baddies seem to be jumping arround. Have you played with niju lately? This is normal.

#1348

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 amWhy niju? You opinions of baddies seem to be jumping arround. Have you played with niju lately? This is normal.

Click here

#1349

My only principle is catching wolves

Spoiler: show

Personally, I prefer to sometimes be lynched via cfd than to go no lynch on D5. Or every D1. That’s “back in the day politeness” to me where every game was stacked with powers and incredibly townsided and balanced by the town playing with kid gloves.

Now about them scum games.

#1350

I think LC and niju would be easy targets for mafia. Honestly, I think they are civs who just aren't paying attention to a damn thing. They are the kind of civs this game that keep civs from winning.

I'm going to be working most of today. I'll probably only be back come Day 2

No static at all? You sure?