The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:53 pm If it’s a good point, then it’s a reason to take him out of your shot pool. If it isn’t, then it isn’t a good point.


Also hitting the “X new posts in topic” on mobile makes me lose my post #shootboountilhefixesit

Yes, it's a refresh and there isn't a draft save for posts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 7:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:53 pm I kinda want to shoot Jack. Does anyone object?

I have no reason to single Jack out as a suspect. He wasn't here when I was here last night. But at least if he gets shot he can preserve his unlynchable claim some more.

I don't like that Jack is acting low key. He's also skating. He also won't get lynched if he's scum. I think he's a good shot. Maybe not the most likely to flip wolf but he's the most likely to flip wolf in a way that destroys the scum team if he is one.

Also I do think he is one. I don't believe half the shit he says. He's just applied an urgent scattery tone to the few posts he's made that makes it look authentic. He cleared Johann off being wrongtown and I never understand people that do that. Johann/Jack feel teamy to me.

I agree with the feel of Jack, but I wouldn't think them to be w/w.

That's two of the people you had previously confirmed. Was there anything other than the above that changed that?

You've got a developed enough read on Jack/Johann interactions to not consider them w/w? Tell me why.

I wouldn't say it's developed but i'm seeing them as 'like with like'. They are too similar in my head to be on the same team.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:53 pm It also takes me to the top of the page which is weird

A few people have mentioned that problem on mobile, either going to the top or to the first page. I don't have a fix rn. I suspect it'll require a board update. But for now, the mobile experience is pretty all over the place.

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] why should I trust you?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why should I trust you?

Cause I’m town

Also cause I told you to trust me and I wouldn’t lie to you

give me the gun and i'll blindly follow the confirmed town

#astrat

now see no one here trusts me and that's fair

but i have faith in dusk

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:47 am now see no one here trusts me and that's fair

but i have faith in dusk

Who said no one

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:51 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:47 am now see no one here trusts me and that's fair

but i have faith in dusk

Who said no one

i am a poor black woman in america

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:51 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:47 am now see no one here trusts me and that's fair

but i have faith in dusk

Who said no one

i am a poor black woman in america

I believe you!

Quiescent overnights are nice, but don't solve this game's problem for me. I get posting to form interactions to look back on later, but the level of posting in this game is beyond ridiculous to me. I had hoped this week would not be a repeat of last week for me, but I've been up past midnight three nights in a row now working on work. You guys are posting so darn much that I'm almost to the point of not even caring to go back and read the wall of linki that confronts me when I try to post something.

I don't have reads. I don't have a towncore (if something like that is even possible at this point beyond Duskfall). I don't have all the new-to-me people separated in my mind yet. I don't have my bearings yet in a format that is new to me.

I do have some availability to dig deeper during the upcoming night phase.

Give me the gun today, because it's the only way I see myself being able to pivot into being useful here. There seems to be two distinct cool kids clubs already- one for MU and one for the Syndicate- and I'm not on the roster of either of them right now. If I don't get the gun today, I doubt I will at all, and that makes me feel less inclined to engage. I like the concept of this game, but the reality of it is a posting-tsunami that isn't fun for old farts like me.

Give me the gun today or I have no choice but to reduce myself to skimming and phoning it in at best.

Help me help you. Give me the gun.

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

My voting for you had nothing to do with your willingness to shoot nutella. I was drawn to boo's early logical posts. You said you wouldn't shoot boo. Duskfall said he would shoot boo. Bonus- you came across as logical to me as well. Most of my votes were an effort to keep Duskfall from getting the gun because I didn't want boo to get shot. That was my line in the sand.

Gg scum. You're making this too hard.

Gman “I can’t keep up and I have no reads”

Also gman “give me the gun”


I strongly dislike this separating of the game into “MU and Syndicate” you push forward, maybe I’m just not seeing it but I don’t think that’s a particularly fair representation of the thread.

I do sympathize with the trouble keeping up tho

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Muuuuu

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:38 amMuuuuu

Uuuuuuum

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:46 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:32 pm Alright, so now that Nutella has flipped town, I think my shot list is going to be {G-Man, Dragomir, Jack}. Those were the three that supported giving me the gun after I announced the I would always shoot Nutella if I had gotten the gun. I think Sloonei rises to my townleans. Boo remains there. Mac is in my townreads now -- his emotional reaction at SoD kinda sealed it for me.

Do you have reference to this event?

I agree with you on Mac.

Yeah. Drago's was the most explicit of the three:

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:03 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:42 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:41 pm @Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

Jack's was less explicit, but I felt like he joined in on the support for similar reasons:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:14 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 5:48 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:03 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:42 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 2:41 pm @Hyena if you get the gun, will you shoot Nutella?

Most likely, yeah.

Good shit. Everyone, give Hyena the gun.

This reads townie independent of Nutella's alignment. Moreso if Hyena is town.

Why? What about that post is good?

Seems to be the kinda thing a town player would say.

I’m kinda down with Nutella getting shot cause if she’s a wolf, I’ll take credit and if she’s town, I can say it isn’t my fault.

After rereading G-Man's ISO, I kinda believe him that he didn't join because I said I'd shoot Nutella. He made no mention of Nutella whenever he voted me, and he also mentioned that he'd prefer either of me or Mac getting the gun, not just me.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:49 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why should I trust you?

Why did you vote Nanook first here before asking him why you should trust him?

The reason I ask is that I recall Nanook specifically making this post concerning you --

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:42 pm I wouldn’t shoot FG fwiw, I don’t know what it is but I like her tone

I wouldn’t shoot drago maybe ever

I’d probably shoot hyena tho

-- and I get the feeling you placed your vote on him for that very reason.

[VOTE: Boo] aubergine

I'm not against G-Man having the gun. I was against Nanook having the gun, but I wanna see Drago's answer to my question because it might change things.

Fwiw I don’t TR Mac because of his SoD ATE, he asked for the gun and the responsibility that comes with it, then...got mad cause he had the responsibility of the gun? So I’m not particularly empathetic nor do I see it as a reason to TR him.


That said he’s probably town.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:45 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:49 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why should I trust you?

Why did you vote Nanook first here before asking him why you should trust him?

The reason I ask is that I recall Nanook specifically making this post concerning you --

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 9:42 pm I wouldn’t shoot FG fwiw, I don’t know what it is but I like her tone

I wouldn’t shoot drago maybe ever

I’d probably shoot hyena tho

-- and I get the feeling you placed your vote on him for that very reason.

Why does it matter which order I do it first?

I didn't even see that post. I came into the thread saying I don't know what to do. Nanook told me to vote for him. Did exactly that.

Drago mafia

X for doubt

I skimmed through inception to make sure I was remembering right, he’s dramatically different imo. Quantity about the same, but there’s a lot more focus here, and he’s putting forth reads in a positive manner rather than a negative one (I’m not entirely sure how to quantify that tbh, it’s a tone thing but it’s there).

I’m gonna skim through his D1 ISO in AC Mafia to make sure I’m not 100% off, but yeah, he looks pretty townie to me tbh

Then again he had 200 posts in D1 of AC mafia, so what do I know

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 3:36 pm I skimmed through inception to make sure I was remembering right, he’s dramatically different imo. Quantity about the same, but there’s a lot more focus here, and he’s putting forth reads in a positive manner rather than a negative one (I’m not entirely sure how to quantify that tbh, it’s a tone thing but it’s there).

I’m gonna skim through his D1 ISO in AC Mafia to make sure I’m not 100% off, but yeah, he looks pretty townie to me tbh

This is where reliance on meta enters the realm of silliness.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 3:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 3:36 pm I skimmed through inception to make sure I was remembering right, he’s dramatically different imo. Quantity about the same, but there’s a lot more focus here, and he’s putting forth reads in a positive manner rather than a negative one (I’m not entirely sure how to quantify that tbh, it’s a tone thing but it’s there).

I’m gonna skim through his D1 ISO in AC Mafia to make sure I’m not 100% off, but yeah, he looks pretty townie to me tbh

This is where reliance on meta enters the realm of silliness.

I mean I don’t think “this player sounds dramatically different from a scum game I caught them in” is particularly silly

Can we hammer in this game

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 3:48 pm Can we hammer in this game

Nope

F

i am not from mu i am from flash flash REVOLUTION

give me the gun so i can be duskfall's marionette doll

fr i think this is a good plan

i'll shoot who he tells me to in the end but we all work together to find a wolf now. then we don't have to have a dumb discussion about WHO SHOULD GET THE GUN, and in later phases where who gets the gun is much more important, we'll have a poe with other strong towns

give me the gun

nanook is okay too whatever

but i think we should all follow dusk

I’m already carrying on dusk’s legacy you can have it some other night

lame

Every girl wants me every guy wants to be me

I'm also not from mu btw I can't believe someone accused me of such a sin

I know pretty rude right

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:03 pm I know pretty rude right

Shu up muron

Drago is scum
60:40 on hyena

Why poison dusk should be our question to answer.
Is it bcs he correctly guessed who is mafia or they wanna frame.

[mention]Duskfall[/mention] who is scum to you?

My most unique pushes were boo and drago (i was the first to go down that route)

But also I was consensus town so I could've died for that

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:03 pm I know pretty rude right

Shu up muron

Lmao

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 7:50 am Gman “I can’t keep up and I have no reads”

Also gman “give me the gun”


I strongly dislike this separating of the game into “MU and Syndicate” you push forward, maybe I’m just not seeing it but I don’t think that’s a particularly fair representation of the thread.

I do sympathize with the trouble keeping up tho

Quit trying to re-interpret my words. (You're not very good at it)

I'm keeping up, just not digesting like some of you who have more free time on your hands.

I want the gun because it will give me agency, and agency will motivate me to comb through some ISO's while I have some downtime this weekend.

I'm not pushing any kind of us-vs.-them mentality. I will, however, admit that I'm going to be more trusting of my reads on people from the Syndicate who I have some playing history with. New-to-me folks are going to be kept at arm's length unless I see a compelling reason to draw closer to them (a la Hyena's logic).


As evidenced by these posts...

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 4:13 pm i am not from mu i am from flash flash REVOLUTION

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:00 pm I'm also not from mu btw I can't believe someone accused me of such a sin

...it's not even a Syndicate v. MU thing here. That was me ASSuming and looking a little dumb for it. My point remains that there is a block of Syndicate folks and a block of new-to-me folks who all seem to be very chummy with their respective circles, forming towncores and speculating based on meta. I'm a Syndicateer, but also an infrequent player, so I'm left on the outside of much this.

Being on the outside means you folks will just keep pushing forward with your respective group chatter and reads and I'll have little to know idea what the heck you're referencing when name-dropping past games. Because I'm not in the know, my ability to form opinions is limited. Because of that, what few opinions I can form may not be given as much agency as others.

This leaves me with little reason to believe that you will organically consider voting for me to receive the gun. Thus, I can accept my fate as an outsider and feel little to no ambition for trying to impact the game because I know my input is already handicapped because I'm not a firm part of either of those circles, or I can be honest about it all and ask you to give me the friggin' gun so it lights a fire under my rear end.

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 3:48 pm Can we hammer in this game

Why not?

G-man your reason for wanting a gun is just kind of...bad, for want of better words. "Someone give me the most important role in the game because I am currently not playing it" is essentially what you are saying, giving it you, who is 1) not trying to solve the game by your own admission and 2) not townread, is just not gonna happen

You don't deserve it over other people, so you won't get it. If you want to solve the game and try you would solve it, not use not having the gun as a pseudo excuse

So yeah, having the gun is a position of prestige, it is literally our only control of the game, it is not going to be used to make one person play the game they signed up for, if you don't want to play then chances are sooner or later you will be chucked in the bin and that is on you

I just realised eod1 i threw a tantrum saying I wouldn't post when people switched off me I really have quick character growth huh

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:51 pm G-man your reason for wanting a gun is just kind of...bad, for want of better words. "Someone give me the most important role in the game because I am currently not playing it" is essentially what you are saying, giving it you, who is 1) not trying to solve the game by your own admission and 2) not townread, is just not gonna happen

You don't deserve it over other people, so you won't get it. If you want to solve the game and try you would solve it, not use not having the gun as a pseudo excuse

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:53 pm So yeah, having the gun is a position of prestige, it is literally our only control of the game, it is not going to be used to make one person play the game they signed up for, if you don't want to play then chances are sooner or later you will be chucked in the bin and that is on you

I just realised eod1 i threw a tantrum saying I wouldn't post when people switched off me I really have quick character growth huh

Quarantine has made me more than a little pissy, antagonistic, and self-destructive. What I read from your posts is:

“If you can’t post ad nauseum and devote copious amounts of time to reading this game like us regulars, then you don’t deserve a chance.”

Which basically boils down to...

“If you can’t play the way we play, then you shouldn’t bother playing mafia.”

Screw that. Give me the damn gun.

I have no issue with your posting volume or whatever, I’m also not interested in giving you the gun so you feel motivated to play. If you need special motivation to play...well I’ll be diplomatic and leave it at that I’m not interested, either play or don’t, it’s not anyone else’s job to cater to you and your lack of motivation.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:04 pm

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:51 pm G-man your reason for wanting a gun is just kind of...bad, for want of better words. "Someone give me the most important role in the game because I am currently not playing it" is essentially what you are saying, giving it you, who is 1) not trying to solve the game by your own admission and 2) not townread, is just not gonna happen

You don't deserve it over other people, so you won't get it. If you want to solve the game and try you would solve it, not use not having the gun as a pseudo excuse

Duskfall wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:53 pm So yeah, having the gun is a position of prestige, it is literally our only control of the game, it is not going to be used to make one person play the game they signed up for, if you don't want to play then chances are sooner or later you will be chucked in the bin and that is on you

I just realised eod1 i threw a tantrum saying I wouldn't post when people switched off me I really have quick character growth huh

Quarantine has made me more than a little pissy, antagonistic, and self-destructive. What I read from your posts is:

“If you can’t post ad nauseum and devote copious amounts of time to reading this game like us regulars, then you don’t deserve a chance.”

Which basically boils down to...

“If you can’t play the way we play, then you shouldn’t bother playing mafia.”

Screw that. Give me the damn gun.

Idk why you feel the need to misrep my but you said you wanted gun to make you do work, implying you have time to do work, but you are purposely choosing not to do anything because you only want to play if you get the most important spot in the game

I am not asking you to spend your whole life playing I am asking you to actually play, which you yourself have said you will be able to if you get the gun, I am asking you to give the time you clearly have if we give you the gun and 'light a fire under you' or w/e

You are saying you will do x with the gun, I ask you to do x despite not having the gun and then you pretend by doing so I am somehow being elitist or w/e

In reality I am simply asking you to somewhat try the game without having the most important part, which there is literally 0 chance of you getting. Stop trying to ate.

Don't ninja me with a nicer version of my post nookie it makes me look bad

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:42 pm ...it's not even a Syndicate v. MU thing here. That was me ASSuming and looking a little dumb for it. My point remains that there is a block of Syndicate folks and a block of new-to-me folks who all seem to be very chummy with their respective circles, forming towncores and speculating based on meta. I'm a Syndicateer, but also an infrequent player, so I'm left on the outside of much this.

Being on the outside means you folks will just keep pushing forward with your respective group chatter and reads and I'll have little to know idea what the heck you're referencing when name-dropping past games. Because I'm not in the know, my ability to form opinions is limited. Because of that, what few opinions I can form may not be given as much agency as others.

for what it's worth, my mom didn't want to have me-- she had her tubes tied after my birth and then yeeted off the continent for a while. i know what it's like to feel like you don't belong, but we gotta keep pushing on even when people don't love us

post some reads