The Syndicate

i'm sorta on falcon town but it's very shaky

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:15 am I guess the easy version is

Town:
Belzy

Probably town:
Lucky

Town lean:
Falcon
Syn
Sean

Null:
Fingers
Ender
Lu Ren
Axe
TPS

Suss:
Alison
Nanook

I might move Fingers up if I'm generous.

You have too many nulls to be town

I don't think that's actually true but I feel omgusy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:18 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:05 pm I never realize how good I have it in a mafia community until I try and play somewhere else, where the community is so brainless it hurts to read.

Glad Syn is decent

This post was shortly before Syn subbed in for Grogu. BTSC maybe?

Falcon probably town, consolidate somewhere else

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:03 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:18 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:05 pm I never realize how good I have it in a mafia community until I try and play somewhere else, where the community is so brainless it hurts to read.

Glad Syn is decent

This post was shortly before Syn subbed in for Grogu. BTSC maybe?

Falcon probably town, consolidate somewhere else

ok

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:00 amYou have too many nulls to be town

I agree I have too many nulls.

I also had a question for you, if you cared to read. It was about your suggestion that me avoiding the thread was scummy. I don't think you know me to avoid the thread as any alignment, so that's weird to me, if you feel compelled to comment.

Who's your town right now?

I don't know about this Ender wagon. I don't really have a read there tbh. I saw Sean say his quote dump on me was scummy, but I'm not convinced that is AI. He could probably do that as any alignment. Are there other reasons I missed?

@EnderWiggin What's your actual take on me btw? I've seen you have me hover in PoE, but I'm not clear on the reasoning. Sorry if I missed it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:09 am I don't know about this Ender wagon. I don't really have a read there tbh. I saw Sean say his quote dump on me was scummy, but I'm not convinced that is AI. He could probably do that as any alignment. Are there other reasons I missed?

@EnderWiggin What's your actual take on me btw? I've seen you have me hover in PoE, but I'm not clear on the reasoning. Sorry if I missed it.

You're on the lightest end of my scumdar because you seem to have bursts of action under pressure and some of your takes felt a bit weird.

That was earlier on in the day, though, but I'm increasingly becoming indecisive.

I have just ordered food and making coffee, let's see if I can actually extract a gamestate from this game.

Ender trying to repeatedly trigger me with coffee tell tease

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:19 am Ender trying to repeatedly trigger me with coffee tell tease

Just me and my coffee. Chilling in a hottub. Five feet apart cause we're not gay.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:13 amYou're on the lightest end of my scumdar because you seem to have bursts of action under pressure and some of your takes felt a bit weird.

That was earlier on in the day, though, but I'm increasingly becoming indecisive.

I don't really know what is wrong with "burst of action under pressure", cause I'm here when I'm here and I'm under pressure when I'm under pressure. Ok, bad phrasing, but I don't see what would be the alternative. What takes feels weird to you?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:21 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:19 am Ender trying to repeatedly trigger me with coffee tell tease

Just me and my coffee. Chilling in a hottub. Five feet apart cause we're not gay.

I'm gay

Spf gay

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:21 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:13 amYou're on the lightest end of my scumdar because you seem to have bursts of action under pressure and some of your takes felt a bit weird.

That was earlier on in the day, though, but I'm increasingly becoming indecisive.

I don't really know what is wrong with "burst of action under pressure", cause I'm here when I'm here and I'm under pressure when I'm under pressure. Ok, bad phrasing, but I don't see what would be the alternative. What takes feels weird to you?

Nothing specifically wrong with burst of action under pressure, it's just that wolves who were coasting do that.

And as for the takes some of the reasons you have townleans feels ... arbitrary is the wrong word. More like a single thing has made you push that alignment.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:29 amNothing specifically wrong with burst of action under pressure, it's just that wolves who were coasting do that.

And as for the takes some of the reasons you have townleans feels ... arbitrary is the wrong word. More like a single thing has made you push that alignment.

We all have bursts of action though. Have I been coasting? I've been a pretty huge topic afaic.

And ok, I can see that. My philosophy (and experience) is that town say scummy shit all the time, however, it's pretty rare for scum to say actually very towny things spontaneously. This is why I often pick out specific towny things I see and make town reads that way, and it usually works very well. Some things are just psychologically unnatural for scum to do (for example complaining about a setup being mafia sided if it isn't particularly). I've seen small town things like that from Lucky and probably from Fingers this game.

Also Dizzy.

Belzy/Bo not Belzy/Mac.

Mac replaced into Syn's spot iirc?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:11 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:03 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:18 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:05 pm I never realize how good I have it in a mafia community until I try and play somewhere else, where the community is so brainless it hurts to read.

Glad Syn is decent

This post was shortly before Syn subbed in for Grogu. BTSC maybe?

Falcon probably town, consolidate somewhere else

ok

To be honest, I'm not sure why Falcon wasn't modkilled for discussing subs.

@MacDougall 11 Names, I'd like to permanently veto Luckbox and falcon, any objection? Day passes: Lu Ren and Nanook.

That would leave you with this pool to choose from as people I would vote with you. Even though I really dislike the idea of voting Dizzy / Seanzie, I don't feel strongly enough about them to give them a pass for today. That could change.

Alison - ISO
Belzy - ISO
Dyslexicon - ISO
EnderWiggin - ISO
fingersplints - ISO
Seanzie - ISO
TonyStarkPrime - ISO

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:53 am Also Dizzy.

Belzy/Bo not Belzy/Mac.

Mac replaced into Syn's spot iirc?

Oh ok. In any case, my read on both replaced slots is based on the replaced player. Belzy town, Syn town lean.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:11 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:03 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:18 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:05 pm I never realize how good I have it in a mafia community until I try and play somewhere else, where the community is so brainless it hurts to read.

Glad Syn is decent

This post was shortly before Syn subbed in for Grogu. BTSC maybe?

Falcon probably town, consolidate somewhere else

ok

I guess I should've seen that one coming

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:04 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:00 amYou have too many nulls to be town

I agree I have too many nulls.

I also had a question for you, if you cared to read. It was about your suggestion that me avoiding the thread was scummy. I don't think you know me to avoid the thread as any alignment, so that's weird to me, if you feel compelled to comment.

Who's your town right now?

I have basically the same townreads as starhole

Bo gets added to towncore, I think Belzy's play on D1 was town-indicative.

On reread I'm actually not as confident of my Dizzy/Alison t/t concept.

Might just be a w/t.

The worst part is I'm starting to believe it's Dizzy town.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:30 pm Cause if I were mafia and he were town in this specific game with this player list I would troll the shit out of him cause I'd be able to get away with it and it would be funny

Theres not really any utility to sheeping him as mafia cause nobody is really going to listen to him in a meaningful way so I wouldn't need to pocket him

In this case you'd be sheeping him on me and I'm a pretty viable wagon target this game so I don't see why that's out of the question?

Post my re-read I think the ones I want to put as my top 3 town rn are:
Lu Ren
Seanzie
BoKnows - This is slot tr and not pretty tbh.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:22 pm Seanzie I don't even understand what you're saying right now

What's your scum case on any of the people you want to exe

What's to not understand? I think you're a wolf. End of case.

I would like to know why

Also I recant my townread on fingersplints.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:34 pm I guess the relevant question to ask yourself is "would nanook care enough about trying to win not to troll star?"

I think there's an obvious answer tbh

So why doesn't this question apply if you're town? Like, your argument is that you wanna sheep Axe because you think Axe has good reads if they're town. Why wouldn't town!Nanook also choose to troll Axe instead of taking the optimal path of sheeping him?

There's too many players town reading me

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:41 am There's too many players town reading me

This is a towny post.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:19 pm Universally town read D1 (though I didn't get on that wagon for quite some time and mostly wanted him dead) - Today he hasn't been solvy, but really, who has? The day has just been an extension of day 1 which is part of the problem with people not taking D1 seriously or going for a policy kill on DOO day 1 (let's be real, no serious player had a scum read on her).

I feel like I'm the only person trying to consolidate my town reads onto a wagon that falls in the PoE, and for us to reach a consensus PoE. I mean, even you, what solving are you actively doing except OMGUS on Seanzie and silent voting Nanook? Who are your town and why should we be voting with you rather than you with us?

I had a serious scum read on DOOM and thought she'd flip scum.

I think a lot of people have been trying to sketch out a circle of trusted town and trying to convince them to consolidate on their POE tbh. I don't get the sense people are just flinging votes around randomly and I'm curious why you feel that way.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:19 pm Universally town read D1 (though I didn't get on that wagon for quite some time and mostly wanted him dead) - Today he hasn't been solvy, but really, who has? The day has just been an extension of day 1 which is part of the problem with people not taking D1 seriously or going for a policy kill on DOO day 1 (let's be real, no serious player had a scum read on her).

I feel like I'm the only person trying to consolidate my town reads onto a wagon that falls in the PoE, and for us to reach a consensus PoE. I mean, even you, what solving are you actively doing except OMGUS on Seanzie and silent voting Nanook? Who are your town and why should we be voting with you rather than you with us?

I had a serious scum read on DOOM and thought she'd flip scum.

I think a lot of people have been trying to sketch out a circle of trusted town and trying to convince them to consolidate on their POE tbh. I don't get the sense people are just flinging votes around randomly and I'm curious why you feel that way.

I am not happy with my reads right now. I feel like I'm missing something

Disgruntled current state:

Probably Town:
Lu Ren
Seanzie
Belzy/BoKnows

Soft town:
NotAnAxehole
Luckbox Inc
falcon45ca

Debating on my read:
TonyStarkPrime
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Light Scum:
fingersplints
Grogu/Syn/Mac

Scum:
Dyslexicon or Alison
EnderWiggin

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:15 am I guess the easy version is

Town:
Belzy

Probably town:
Lucky

Town lean:
Falcon
Syn
Sean

Null:
Fingers
Ender
Lu Ren
Axe
TPS

Suss:
Alison
Nanook

I might move Fingers up if I'm generous.

Who're my teammates, from your point of view?

Nanook, your other scumread has been pretty staunchly pushing me since D1, and has unflinchingly agreed to sheep Axe who has been one of my biggest detractors. Lucky and Syn/Mac, two of the people defending me, are high in your townreads. If your answer is just "they're buried somewhere in the nullreads", I'd expect to see more concerted digging into those slots from you. Because that in world there's two in Fingers/Ender/Lu Ren/TSP which would make them pretty profitable to engage with, but instead it's been Alison Alison Alison the whole day.

I also want to know why you have a null read on Lu Ren after their posts today, which I thought were super townie tbh.

Lu Ren out of towncore because I want to tinfoil me being horribly wrong but I'm also convinced I'm right. Seanzie on reread is just town.

Axe gets a pass into soft town after making a few good posts, and Falcon is not nearly as bad as I thought on reread. Nanook is being very nanook-indicative which irritates me but doesn't actually give me a read so he gets shoved into IDK territory.

Finger has been really reactive which makes me paint her read, Mac I feel is kinda coasting and not providing much. Which might be a townread but I don't get that so far.

Dizzy/Alison dichtonomy I've got a lot of confusion about and I keep changing my mind on. I thought it was t/t but now I'm not nearly as sure and a re-read has made me question all of my townread on Alison.

My quick scribbled notes on w/w pairs:
Luckbox/Alison - Not w/w
Dizzy/Belzy - Belzy is only w if Dizzy w?
Falcon maybe w if Alison w?

@MacDougall Falcon tried an attempted angleshoot that I think is out of his scum range, I don't think he should be in contention for today's exe at all.

Honestly, I'm going to crash in bed. I'll be back around an hour before daystart.

Day-end*

God I'm tired.

@EnderWiggin Why is the Bo slot townie? I didn't see anything particularly strong from Belzy. I also don't know why you're tinfoiling Lu Ren, I think that slot is just billboard town. If they're scum then I'm fooled and definitely not catching them today and probably not before endgame.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:49 am @MacDougall Falcon tried an attempted angleshoot that I think is out of his scum range, I don't think he should be in contention for today's exe at all.

It wasn't even that at all. The village role was given in the OP. I'd like to give anyone enough credit to be able to make that post as a wolf.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:41 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:34 pm I guess the relevant question to ask yourself is "would nanook care enough about trying to win not to troll star?"

I think there's an obvious answer tbh

So why doesn't this question apply if you're town? Like, your argument is that you wanna sheep Axe because you think Axe has good reads if they're town. Why wouldn't town!Nanook also choose to troll Axe instead of taking the optimal path of sheeping him?

It hurts my wincon too much

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:52 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:49 am @MacDougall Falcon tried an attempted angleshoot that I think is out of his scum range, I don't think he should be in contention for today's exe at all.

It wasn't even that at all. The village role was given in the OP. I'd like to give anyone enough credit to be able to make that post as a wolf.

Had nothing to do with that.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:18 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:05 pm I never realize how good I have it in a mafia community until I try and play somewhere else, where the community is so brainless it hurts to read.

Glad Syn is decent

This post was shortly before Syn subbed in for Grogu. BTSC maybe?

It was this post. DOOM says "glad Syn is decent", meaning The Syndicate, but Falcon seems to mix that up and suggest that DOOM had advance knowledge of Syn subbing in because Syn checked into the scum BTSC, and accidentally posted this in the main thread instead of the BTSC thread. That's a pretty convoluted connection to make if he's scum and knows DOOM is town. It's especially so because the Syndicate scum BTSCs are usually on Discord and not a thread on the site, which he'd have remembered if he was scum with access to such a BTSC this game.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:57 am It was this post. DOOM says "glad Syn is decent", meaning The Syndicate, but Falcon seems to mix that up and suggest that DOOM had advance knowledge of Syn subbing in because Syn checked into the scum BTSC, and accidentally posted this in the main thread instead of the BTSC thread. That's a pretty convoluted connection to make if he's scum and knows DOOM is town. It's especially so because the Syndicate scum BTSCs are usually on Discord and not a thread on the site, which he'd have remembered if he was scum with access to such a BTSC this game.

ok it took me a couple times to read it but I get it.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:46 am Who're my teammates, from your point of view?

Nanook, your other scumread has been pretty staunchly pushing me since D1, and has unflinchingly agreed to sheep Axe who has been one of my biggest detractors. Lucky and Syn/Mac, two of the people defending me, are high in your townreads. If your answer is just "they're buried somewhere in the nullreads", I'd expect to see more concerted digging into those slots from you. Because that in world there's two in Fingers/Ender/Lu Ren/TSP which would make them pretty profitable to engage with, but instead it's been Alison Alison Alison the whole day.

I have discussed this in one of my posts. I don't think Lu Ren, probably not Fingers. TPS/Axe/Ender maybe Nanook/Syn.

Also I asked you the same (indirectly)

I literally read the whole thread and have written whatever notes I have on everyone and asked question in order to engage.

The fuck is this. If you're going to shade me for focusing only on you you should vote yourself.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:47 am I also want to know why you have a null read on Lu Ren after their posts today, which I thought were super townie tbh.

I have read their posts, and I don't find them towny. Doesn't mean they can't be town, especially if you are scum. But I have questions for them.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:51 am @EnderWiggin Why is the Bo slot townie? I didn't see anything particularly strong from Belzy. I also don't know why you're tinfoiling Lu Ren, I think that slot is just billboard town. If they're scum then I'm fooled and definitely not catching them today and probably not before endgame.

Have got something wrong in my reads. Tinfoiling from Locktown to Very Likely town means I'm not voting them today ever, I'm just making a clear note in my own ISO for me to reread and remember if it comes up later.

Bo slot towny because Belzy had strong "I don't actually care about this game" tells, which I don't think I see from w!Belzy.

Maybe but not worth revisiting yet.

Now actually going to hopefully collapse. Need to stop checking phone.

Lu Ren is town in most worlds though