Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Golden]

Macdougallugall

[lapluie]

I dont like yellow @MacDougall ugall

Is that all you have to say ?

Well I ,

..
no, it's not ok.
I'm still "reading" aka catching up.

aka slacking

[lapluie]

Macdougallugall

I like that one better to be honest.

[Golden]

I like lapluie

I await the catch up to see what I think of your alignment.

[Dom]

I am very bad at doing these and I am not a huge fan, but I am starting to like them, idk I'll try it.

Dom
MacDougall
M Plus 7
Scotty
Choutas
Epignosis
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy
speedchuck
Turnip Head
wolbre04
Golden
Jackofhearts2005
Kites
Long Con
lapluie
dunya
Kylemii
Lunalee
Marmot
ColinIsCool
Sloonei

[MacDougall]

I dont like yellow @MacDougall ugall

Is that all you have to say ?

Well I ,

..
no, it's not ok.
I'm still "reading" aka catching up.

aka slacking

When can we expect you to comment on your catch up?

[MacDougall]

I am very bad at doing these and I am not a huge fan, but I am starting to like them, idk I'll try it.

Dom
MacDougall
M Plus 7
Scotty
Choutas
Epignosis
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy
speedchuck
Turnip Head
wolbre04
Golden
Jackofhearts2005
Kites
Long Con
lapluie
dunya
Kylemii
Lunalee
Marmot
ColinIsCool
Sloonei

Looks good to me.

Having looked back on dunya I see she had suspicions earlier in the day of players I came to suspect later. I am curious about it because my assumption is that a scum dunya would cast dispersions on her teammates to scoop up credit later but at the same time it isn't too dissimilar to why I pushed her incorrect lynch in Mortal Kombat. I give her some town points for this observation.

[Dom]

I look to see what Day 2 brings us with Dunya.

And that was easier to make than I expected. I just copied and pasted Mac's and moved the names around. The colors, I always thought, would be a pain in the rear, but I don't care about consistency so whatever.

[Turnip Head]

I gotta get darker on some rainbows or I'm a fucking dead man

[MacDougall]

TH you've got some town cred. Could you share some reads please sir?

[Dom]

I gotta get darker on some rainbows or I'm a fucking dead man

be more erratic dude

[Dom]

Anyone else notice 3 of the 9 items on the first page are now crossed off?

[MacDougall]

Anyone else notice 3 of the 9 items on the first page are now crossed off?

Hmm no I had not. I wouldn't have thought the deals could have been made by now?

[Turnip Head]

TH you've got some town cred. Could you share some reads please sir?

Maybe but I don't think the thread needs my voice atm

[Dom]

Anyone else notice 3 of the 9 items on the first page are now crossed off?

Hmm no I had not. I wouldn't have thought the deals could have been made by now?

I guess people may have gotten very busy at the end of the day?

[MacDougall]

TH you've got some town cred. Could you share some reads please sir?

Maybe but I don't think the thread needs my voice atm

[Dom]

Mac, to be fair, that is an older, LP style of mafia philosophy showing there.

I don't think it means anything about Turnip Head.

[MacDougall]

Mac, to be fair, that is an older, LP style of mafia philosophy showing there.

I don't think it means anything about Turnip Head.

I don't follow?

[Dom]

Thinking your voice is unneeded is a very LP way of playing the game-- speaking when you feel like your contribution is novel.

[MacDougall]

Thinking your voice is unneeded is a very LP way of playing the game-- speaking when you feel like your contribution is novel.

Oh. Yeah that's okay. I agree with the sentiment but at least sharing some insight would be appreciated...

[Turnip Head]

I'm really digging your play Mac and I'm comfortable watching you burn. FWIW I think saying less is worth more in a lot of cases

[MacDougall]

Heh thanks. By burn do you mean get brutally murdered by Persians?

[Turnip Head]

Sooner ot later we're all dead

[dunya]

yesterday was travel day (I'm in Paris now), today is work day and visit my dad day. I'm going to be available for at least an hour soon and now on and off, so I'll see what I can get through. Sorry guys, but doing the best within my circumstances.

[Long Con]

Dom, no offence, but I’m not going to spend any time justifying a shitty snap decision and I’ll give you the same advice you gave Luna.

Scrolled up from this a bit and didn't see Dom's Luna advice. Annoying. I don't like this kind of roundabout talk; you'll look more Civvie to me if you speak plainly.

For example, "As you said to Luna, Dom, don't forget to floss!"

[dunya]

ok too many pages for now. anyone care to ask me something or tell me where to look. I had sig as a town read in my fake rainbow list and I explained why I thought he was town. Disappointed he managed to get 5 votes when I don't recall he had more than 1 before I cast my TH vote.

also, sorry I couldn't come back and change my vote to somewhere it mattered more. I thought I'd have a chance after placing my vote on Monday to reflect on Tuesday and see what's changing from people's ISOs but beyond 15mins at work on Tuesday, I really couldn't be here.

[dunya]

I have to catch up on new Epi and nova posts to tell you where I would have voted had I been around EOD.

[Long Con]

ok too many pages for now. anyone care to ask me something or tell me where to look. I had sig as a town read in my fake rainbow list and I explained why I thought he was town. Disappointed he managed to get 5 votes when I don't recall he had more than 1 before I cast my TH vote.

also, sorry I couldn't come back and change my vote to somewhere it mattered more. I thought I'd have a chance after placing my vote on Monday to reflect on Tuesday and see what's changing from people's ISOs but beyond 15mins at work on Tuesday, I really couldn't be here.

Can you remind me why "fake" rainbow list?

[Lunalee]

This is a good place to start

Thanks, I see it.

[MacDougall]

ok too many pages for now. anyone care to ask me something or tell me where to look. I had sig as a town read in my fake rainbow list and I explained why I thought he was town. Disappointed he managed to get 5 votes when I don't recall he had more than 1 before I cast my TH vote.

also, sorry I couldn't come back and change my vote to somewhere it mattered more. I thought I'd have a chance after placing my vote on Monday to reflect on Tuesday and see what's changing from people's ISOs but beyond 15mins at work on Tuesday, I really couldn't be here.

I made a case against Sloonei. Maybe read it.

[dunya]

ok too many pages for now. anyone care to ask me something or tell me where to look. I had sig as a town read in my fake rainbow list and I explained why I thought he was town. Disappointed he managed to get 5 votes when I don't recall he had more than 1 before I cast my TH vote.

also, sorry I couldn't come back and change my vote to somewhere it mattered more. I thought I'd have a chance after placing my vote on Monday to reflect on Tuesday and see what's changing from people's ISOs but beyond 15mins at work on Tuesday, I really couldn't be here.

Can you remind me why "fake" rainbow list?

Cos I don't use colors.

[Long Con]

Okay, just making sure that wasn't some sort of Freudian slip.

[Dom]

:giggle:

[Dom]

That should totally be a sniveling emoticon. :srs:

[Sloonei]

Stop suspecting me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Thebes still has all his stuff, including a kill. Probably somebody who isn’t paying attention.

We should offer him all the not that useful powers in exchange for the kill. Also, we should snatch up that watch. Watches are great.

[Turnip Head]

What does non-fatal poison do? Asking for a friend

[Sloonei]

I'll respond to choice sections of Mac's case on me since it's huge and I don't want the page to be too ugly with quotes.

The Sloonei case is about posting rhythm and shifting perspectives. It is clear to me, that Sloonei is engaged with the game but I am not seeing the same quality of case making and of pressuring players that I am used to. My feeling is that Sloonei is not giving the game all of his game content. I feel like he is playing a game of whispers. He seems to state perspectives and then not act upon them in a consistent civilian manner.

This is fair and I do not object. Day 1 is always about throwing crap at the wall for me, and said crap is going to be crappier when I have as little time as I did over the last 48 hours. I promise you I provided all of the content I was able to. I do object to your analysis of my stance on sig for a number of reasons though.

In the aforementioned you can also see that Sloonei defended sig, and made comments about how sig always draws suspicion. He also said that he appreciated sig’s post and that it was a nice thing to do. Sloonei as accutely aware that the end resulting sig mislynch was a possibility, right back at the start of day 1. Yet as you read on later he made no mention of this possibility again when it was actually unfolding. Instead batting away dunya and epi voters, and taking the easy option of voting for Nova (someone who he also defended during the day).

There was no sig lynch unfolding when I was here. Dom and sig were going back and forth and I wanted to see how that played out, so I left them to it while I tried to get other people to talk. When I left for work, something you seem to have failed to notice, sig had 1 vote and it was Dom's.

More really soft pressuring of sig that he never went ahead with. Consistent soft discrediting of sig throughout the early parts of day 1, which no doubt contributed to the general consensus that ultimately got him lynched.

What you label "discrediting" is me trying to get a read on a player. I had a concern and I asked sig about it. His response made sense. At this point I should note that the deciding factor in my town read on sig yesterday was based primarily on his level of activity. I rarely see sig so vocal on Day 1. I wish now that I had raised this point because you guys did what you always to do sig.

This part of the game was when the Dom and Sig back and forth is in full effect. Sig being a player he had strong opinions of right from the start, but here when sig is starting to take pressure that ended in his lynch Sloonei is quiet on the subject and remains so right up until the finish. For someone who started the day concerned about sig's natural ability to be suspicious, for him to have no say on sig at the end of the day one way or the other is strange.

Here we have a direct interaction between he and sig. The only one towards the end of the day. Sloonei asked for feedback on why Nova was getting votes to which sig obliged. I don't think Sloonei directly asked sig, but sig did him the courtesy of answering the aforementioned question. It was sig who really ended up providing the perspective that ultimately allowed Sloonei to put his vote on Nova right at the death. If Sloonei trusted sig that much, why did he not defend him? What happened to his opinion on sig from earlier in the day?

These paragraphs are all bullshit. Tremendous bullshit. Again, I was at work for the final three hours of the day. I was occupied there and could not read or contribute to the conversation that was going on. I was skimming very lightly and following the poll. I saw that Epi had 6 votes, while sig and nova had 3. When I left, Epi was at 4 votes and several other bandwagons were stalling.

I voted for nova because of the analysis I did of his posts earlier, not because of anything sig told me. Nova's posts, from what I had seen, were focused entirely on one incident (involving sig) in which we established that the two of them had very minor history together. I did not actively want to lynch nova, but considering that it was a 3-way choice between him, sig, and Epi, I went with the guy I had the least reason to town read. I did not have time to flesh out my thoughts. I'm surprised you missed the several posts in which I mentioned I'd be unable to post, given how much attention you are apparently giving my posts.

I believe he is Persian. I don't think Nova is. Sloonei became relatively quiet right at the end of the day, most likely because he was chatting in BTSC and had no reason to fear the outcome of the lynch. If Sloonei is Persian there is a moderate chance that much of his days play can be explained by him subtly influencing the lynch away from a teammate Dunya. I don't think Epignosis teammate indicative because Epi growled at him at one point in the game in a very non teammate compatible way. More likely is that none of the lynch candidates were teammates at all and we never had any scum under pressure (aside from he himself briefly).

Fuck this shit right here. Read all my posts before you make a case against me. Yeah, sig was a town read. Yeah, I had some concerns about him and raised them. No I was not hoping he'd be mislynched again. And no I was not around to object to his lynch when it was unfolding, nor was I committing all of my attention to some BTSC chatter while the lynch was unfolding. I wasn't here, and when I left the thread I had no reason to believe that sig was a threat to be lynched beyond the simple fact of his identity.

I liked neither of the lynches on Epi and dunya. I explained my stance on the Epi wagon more than once, but to summarize, Epi is not a player who struggles to get his hands dirty as scum. He relishes in it, in my experience. For him to be suspected out of the gate for being too quiet and unhelpful is dumb.

The dunya wagon was based on an accusation that her posts were "hollow" and some nonsense about Dom and BTSC. The latter was more dumb than the Epi bandwagon, but the former at least has merit. I just did not make the same perception about dunya's Day 1 output, and she's a player I have an easier time reading late in games anyway. I was not keen on lynching her first in this game.

On the whole I like this post because it reflects a nuanced read of me with attention to some of details, if not all of the pertinent ones. I'll smack a town read on Mac.

[Sloonei]

Mondays and Tuesdays are my busy days and my performance always dips on those days. I'd say you can trace this across pretty much every game I've played here over the last couple years, but who wants to do that? I've apologized for my lack of activity a bunch of times already and I'll be able to make up for that moving forward.

But not right away because it's nice out and I have the day off. I didn't want to spend any time in front of my laptop this afternoon.

I disapprove of where the votes went yesterday, but the thread activity has been solid, from what I have seen. A busy day 1 is a good day 1.

[Turnip Head]

Hey [mention]MacDougall[/mention] what voice should I be reading sloonei's posts in? It's like a rollercoaster

[Turnip Head]

Maybe the guy from Office Space?

[Sloonei]

Hey @MacDougall what voice should I be reading sloonei's posts in? It's like a rollercoaster

Tina Belcher

[Turnip Head]

It's perfect ty

[Tangrowth]

Operation: Attempted Catchup is about to commence.

[Tangrowth]

And I never read the townie handbook. I saw it on the shelf and it's like 800 pages and mostly incomprehensible.

Just had to say that this explains my playstyle so well; I read it cover to cover. Twice. Doesn't seem to do me much good.

[Tangrowth]

In contrast to my usual catch-up methods, I'm going to try to keep my posts to a minimum going forward except to comment on very specific items or any posts in my direction that I haven't already addressed. Once I'm done, I'll throw out an updated full-fledged rainbow and explain more then.

[Dom]

[Marmot]

@Marmot why did you vote for me? you gave a reason but it didn't make sense in terms of this being a mafia game

For what reason did it make sense to you?

I explained my vote when I made the vote.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

Before I begin preparing to annihilate Sloonei and his friends, a word on the main cases from day 1.

Firstly, I will say that in hindsight I felt that there were no truly compelling cases made during day 1 that I was a part to, or saw in the content after I went to sleep. I sympathise with any fellow civilians genuinely trying to find bad guys on day 1. The Persians are a wily force it would appear.

Towards the end of day there was no consensus. Had I appeared soon before the lynch I would have felt that the options available had boiled down to:

a) Follow your intuition and vote off wagon and try to get people to rally to that vote. I would have tried to CFD Sloonei, or Marmot had I had enough time and depending on whether one or both would have been an inspiring enough option to rally forces.
b) Vote on a wagon built on weak cases. Had this been the case I would have felt compelled to push for Nova, given the four options. With the reason that sig, Dunya and Epi would be greater civilian casualties in their own right (sorry Nova). By traditional TS group analysis (skittles), I would have had Epi, Dunya and Nova as yellow skittles and sig as green.
c) Throw away my vote. No, this wasn't an option. I saw that someone did this and was called out on it and I think that is a very apt call out. Was it Golden calling out Scotty? If so, I would encourage you to follow that hunch Golden because I agree that it is a bizarre thing to have done.

I would have, with ample time, voted for Sloonei and tried to push the lynch there (I will address why, in time). Relatively early on in my catch up I became less enamoured with my Nova vote, by comparison to what I have observed about several other players in the meantime. At no time did I feel like I would have been moved to vote for Dunya, Epignosis or Sig.

That sig, of the combatants at play, ended up lynched intrigues me, particularly given I had felt that his pre-lynch play was the more civilian aligned of those who were at risk of being lynched. This raises the possibility that there was some Persian influence causing one or more of the other primary candidates to not take votes. This in particular gives me pause about Nova, because it is more natural for Dunya and Epignosis to have had meta based defenses made in their name (I did this myself during day 1). That sig ended up lynched over Nova is, to me, the most interesting piece of information to have come out of that lynch. That sig, with all of his bluster and his emotion, managed to become a preferred lynch candidate to Nova, who is generally less of a participant. I will also note that Nova became vociferous compared to his usual self towards the end of day is also of note, but in isolation I did like the tone of his posts.

I have noted in Epignosis, a tendency to seemingly throw away day 1 to the gods of chaos. I have thoughts on why he may have started doing this in his games, and consider it part of his game strategy as town. I would not have voted for him.

My thoughts on Dunya were shared already and amounted to wanting to give her more time, and that in time she would either feel compelled to come into significant combat with her scum teammates, or as a civilian with her rhythm found, begin to solve the game. I am happy that she was not lynched.

I understand why Nova was not lynched out of context, given the case on Nova amounted to nothing but a ping and one or two players agreeing with me, but in the context of how the lynch came out, that Nova did not get lynched over sig is interesting, as stated.

I saw no indication of Mafia sig at play in this game. He was aggressively trying to solve the game as much as anyone. This was a bizarre mislynch because of this. Particularly interesting because sig is a known easy day 1 mislynch, and yet here it happened again. This gives me pause to consider that it was actually done by design from a force of players.

All told, after having made this post I feel better about day 1 because I think that despite the fact that we lost arguably the most important town force, it was a very good day 1 for post content and if some good civilians can muster up the desire to, I think there is likely to be ample information contained within the day 1 content to find some leads.

Now, on to business.

Why me?

[Marmot]

Also, the fact that MacDougall made a post long enough to warrant putting in spoilers is suspicious.