The Syndicate

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:29 pm

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:23 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:20 pm Dissecting this bullshit post now. Seriously just read this shit.

First observation:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:56 pm
I did a quick catch up there and saw that sprityo has continued to just ruthlessly attack every single thing about every one of my posts as his self defense. I don't feel like I am in a very good position to further analyse his alignment based on how he is engaging with me because he is taking an "everything Mac is posting sucks" approach which given that I am a civ I can't help but feel he has to be making up completely. Especially since he, a guy who I suspected in the first place, is the only one who feels this way to this extent.

Red is a total contradiction.

Orange is belittling sprityo's opinion because he's the only one feeling that way. That's a thing scum do. Not town.

I don't see the contradiction personally, he says he doesn't feel like he's in a very good position to analyze his alignment but can't help but feel like he's making things up, those two things can coexist, can't they?

And I don't think belittling people's opinions is necessarily a scum move, why do you?

Yeah, I guess so? I mean, I don't disagree with that because I've felt that, but doesn't that seem incompatible with the rest of the narrative that Mac is pushing?

You think town might belittle someone else's opinion? I certainly try not to do that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:56 pm Good morning friendos!

I did a quick catch up there and saw that sprityo has continued to just ruthlessly attack every single thing about every one of my posts as his self defense. I don't feel like I am in a very good position to further analyse his alignment based on how he is engaging with me because he is taking an "everything Mac is posting sucks" approach which given that I am a civ I can't help but feel he has to be making up completely. Especially since he, a guy who I suspected in the first place, is the only one who feels this way to this extent.

I mean there is not a single player in the game who would agree with sprityo's assessment in as much as how ferocious it is. Sure there are some players who have doubts about me and that's fine but sprityo has basically looked at every post and ripped every one of them apart with dismissive insults. Which I find, at best, to be petty and if civ, an irresponsible way to defend yourself. It's relatively admirable as Mafia though I suppose. I just personally don't see how taking a fixed position that the person suspecting you is scum and then proceeding to character assassinate everything about the person is likely to net success. Perhaps one would consider this an effective way to save one's own bacon yes?

Some other notes:

I, a person with a voiced suspicion of him, just happened to be his first ISO and he evidently believes he has found gold with it. The sheer chances of this are extremely low.

He subsequently has ISO read only one other player, Jay, who he gave a gold sticker to.

MP started off voting for him and moved his vote off with very weird reasoning and now is acting like the idea of a sprityo lynch is pants on head. This reminds me of when MP got himself caught out trying to save a scum teammate in Tree Mafia.

So the question to ask is:

Is sprityo mad that I scum read him and civvie tunnelling me?
Is sprityo a caught Mafia throwing out baseless accusations to discredit me?

I feel like there should be meta on both counts to analyse if anyone is want to do it. I have to head off on my morning commute so I won't be back for an hour or two. Obviously I'm not changing my vote.

PS. If anyone else wants me to comment on something just @ me and I will do it later. Sorry if I missed something.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:37 pm

Spoiler: show

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:29 pm

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:23 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:20 pm Dissecting this bullshit post now. Seriously just read this shit.

First observation:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:56 pm
I did a quick catch up there and saw that sprityo has continued to just ruthlessly attack every single thing about every one of my posts as his self defense. I don't feel like I am in a very good position to further analyse his alignment based on how he is engaging with me because he is taking an "everything Mac is posting sucks" approach which given that I am a civ I can't help but feel he has to be making up completely. Especially since he, a guy who I suspected in the first place, is the only one who feels this way to this extent.

Red is a total contradiction.

Orange is belittling sprityo's opinion because he's the only one feeling that way. That's a thing scum do. Not town.

I don't see the contradiction personally, he says he doesn't feel like he's in a very good position to analyze his alignment but can't help but feel like he's making things up, those two things can coexist, can't they?

And I don't think belittling people's opinions is necessarily a scum move, why do you?

Yeah, I guess so? I mean, I don't disagree with that because I've felt that, but doesn't that seem incompatible with the rest of the narrative that Mac is pushing?

You think town might belittle someone else's opinion? I certainly try not to do that.

Hm, I just sort of read it as 'I don't feel like I'm in the best place to analyze him so others please pitch in but here's my rant about him'

And yeah, I think sometimes Town can do that, especially if they're angry

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:38 pm If I had to state what I dislike most about MacDougall, it'd still be that we know for certain that he attempted to emulate his civilian meta when he joined the thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm I don't even know where to begin with this steaming pile of shit that I have had poured on top of me. I cannot remember MP having this incorrect assuredness on a read of me before but it is super frustrating.

Is this how I make people feel holy shit?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm I don't even know where to begin with this steaming pile of shit that I have had poured on top of me. I cannot remember MP having this incorrect assuredness on a read of me before but it is super frustrating.

Is this how I make people feel holy shit?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm I don't even know where to begin with this steaming pile of shit that I have had poured on top of me. I cannot remember MP having this incorrect assuredness on a read of me before but it is super frustrating.

Is this how I make people feel holy shit?

Address him directly. If it's a steaming pile of shit, then it shouldn't be difficult to show why.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:38 pm If I had to state what I dislike most about MacDougall, it'd still be that we know for certain that he attempted to emulate his civilian meta when he joined the thread.

Yes because I would have admitted that if it was Mafia. Okay. jenniferlawrence.gif.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:38 pm

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:37 pm

Spoiler: show

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:29 pm

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:23 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:20 pm Dissecting this bullshit post now. Seriously just read this shit.

First observation:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:56 pm
I did a quick catch up there and saw that sprityo has continued to just ruthlessly attack every single thing about every one of my posts as his self defense. I don't feel like I am in a very good position to further analyse his alignment based on how he is engaging with me because he is taking an "everything Mac is posting sucks" approach which given that I am a civ I can't help but feel he has to be making up completely. Especially since he, a guy who I suspected in the first place, is the only one who feels this way to this extent.

Red is a total contradiction.

Orange is belittling sprityo's opinion because he's the only one feeling that way. That's a thing scum do. Not town.

I don't see the contradiction personally, he says he doesn't feel like he's in a very good position to analyze his alignment but can't help but feel like he's making things up, those two things can coexist, can't they?

And I don't think belittling people's opinions is necessarily a scum move, why do you?

Yeah, I guess so? I mean, I don't disagree with that because I've felt that, but doesn't that seem incompatible with the rest of the narrative that Mac is pushing?

You think town might belittle someone else's opinion? I certainly try not to do that.

Hm, I just sort of read it as 'I don't feel like I'm in the best place to analyze him so others please pitch in but here's my rant about him'

And yeah, I think sometimes Town can do that, especially if they're angry

I guess that's fair; I'll consider it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:38 pm If I had to state what I dislike most about MacDougall, it'd still be that we know for certain that he attempted to emulate his civilian meta when he joined the thread.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm I don't even know where to begin with this steaming pile of shit that I have had poured on top of me. I cannot remember MP having this incorrect assuredness on a read of me before but it is super frustrating.

Is this how I make people feel holy shit?

Address him directly. If it's a steaming pile of shit, then it shouldn't be difficult to show why.

Scum team of Mac, Jay, and Robot

WE WIN EVERYONE LET'S GO

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:41 pm Oh god I'm slipping back into 2011 MP mode where I call out the whole scum team on Day 1.

Maybe I shouldn't be doing that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:38 pm If I had to state what I dislike most about MacDougall, it'd still be that we know for certain that he attempted to emulate his civilian meta when he joined the thread.

Yes because I would have admitted that if it was Mafia. Okay. jenniferlawrence.gif.

What the fuck?

Are you saying to me, MacDougall, of RYM lore, Mr. WIFOM, Mr. Mafioso in Broad Daylight, that you would not admit to that if you were evil?

What the fuck?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm I don't even know where to begin with this steaming pile of shit that I have had poured on top of me. I cannot remember MP having this incorrect assuredness on a read of me before but it is super frustrating.

Is this how I make people feel holy shit?

Address him directly. If it's a steaming pile of shit, then it shouldn't be difficult to show why.

Scum team of Mac, Jay, and Robot

WE WIN EVERYONE LET'S GO

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:43 pm Okay. Stepping back. Reads list. Yeah. Let me do that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:43 pm There was not enough reason for me to do that as scum. I did it under no duress. That is civ behaviour. Had I done it with votes on me or something would be different.

At any rate no. As scum I would never be that risky. I am not a stoner 23 year old anymore. I play differently.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:15 pm It's real good to have Russti back

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:27 am Goodie two-shoes: Jay, MP, Russ

Unsure, have points in both: Mac, Luna (tone-read), RobotNerd (tone-read)

Null: TH, Kyle, Marmot, Tsaiah and I guess DH. My only experience was in FWWM where DH was much less combative (literally building a coalition on D1 to try to solve/win) but that appears to not be the norm.

Could be bad: abyssum, Alien, Sprit

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:53 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:47 pm Alien, what are your reads right now? Are you still TKing me?

Yes

You and Luna are my top suspects as of right now
Aby feels off but I still feel like I need to see more from her
Waiting on robot's response to my question but her meta seems a bit different at least though I'm not sure whether that's significant for her
I don't understand Russ' argument on me because it feels like he's ignoring what I initially said but I'm not sure if I think it seems agendary or not but I'm waiting to watch him some more
Tsiah and Jay are still my town-reads
Everyone else is fairly neutral I think

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:05 pm
just LOL even read it! His tone is condescending even!

I just can't even. This is not a townie.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:33 pm I'm obviously in my own head so you all tell me I'm full of shit or totally onto something. I've made my evaluation of it clear.

I'll post a reads list and then try to calm down and move onto something else.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:43 pm

Spoiler: show

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:39 pm I don't even know where to begin with this steaming pile of shit that I have had poured on top of me. I cannot remember MP having this incorrect assuredness on a read of me before but it is super frustrating.

Is this how I make people feel holy shit?

Address him directly. If it's a steaming pile of shit, then it shouldn't be difficult to show why.

Scum team of Mac, Jay, and Robot

WE WIN EVERYONE LET'S GO

Where'd that come from?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:44 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:43 pm Okay. Stepping back. Reads list. Yeah. Let me do that.

No. Go do something else entirely please. I want other people to post.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:43 pm There was not enough reason for me to do that as scum. I did it under no duress. That is civ behaviour. Had I done it with votes on me or something would be different.

At any rate no. As scum I would never be that risky. I am not a stoner 23 year old anymore. I play differently.

You already told me that you are inclined to respond with urgency when I suspect you, because people that I suspect don't live very long. My ire is worth a few votes.

Respond to MP's shit and I'll see how I feel. I don't buy that you'd never do that though.

abyssum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:53 am i am sort of surprised anyone thinks i look good at all

even if it's a "too careful" read lmao

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:47 pm
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MP, to offer a counterpoint: this actually seems to me just like your and Mac's personalities, and not alignment-indicative at all. Since you brought up the Star Wars game, read some posts Mac made when getting me lynched there. I remember it feeling SUPER condescending: that's how Mac expresses his scum reads. A when you get in one of these modes where you're super duper confident about a read of your own, you tend to crow a bit (like you are now), that's bound to set Mac (who I've pointed out as being a reactionary player numerous times already this game) off. I don't think Mac has an agenda here; I think he has an agenda most of the time against anyone who goes at him. I read this as civ MP and civ Mac not being on each other's level.

Come vote Alien with me! Or tell me why it's a bad idea.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:47 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:15 pm It's real good to have Russti back

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:27 am Goodie two-shoes: Jay, MP, Russ

Unsure, have points in both: Mac, Luna (tone-read), RobotNerd (tone-read)

Null: TH, Kyle, Marmot, Tsaiah and I guess DH. My only experience was in FWWM where DH was much less combative (literally building a coalition on D1 to try to solve/win) but that appears to not be the norm.

Could be bad: abyssum, Alien, Sprit

@ColinIsCool , why have me as a goody-2-shoes? MP and JJJ I get, but they've both posted WAY more than me, and I have to admit they've done muhc more hunting than me, too. Are you buddying me?

Also, why the negative read on abyssum?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:53 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:47 pm Alien, what are your reads right now? Are you still TKing me?

Yes

You and Luna are my top suspects as of right now
Aby feels off but I still feel like I need to see more from her
Waiting on robot's response to my question but her meta seems a bit different at least though I'm not sure whether that's significant for her
I don't understand Russ' argument on me because it feels like he's ignoring what I initially said but I'm not sure if I think it seems agendary or not but I'm waiting to watch him some more
Tsiah and Jay are still my town-reads
Everyone else is fairly neutral I think

I'm not ignoring what you said, I'm saying that it desn't make sense. If you truly believe something isn't a slip, then pointing it out can ONLY lead to bad things for us, becasue it'll either start a mislynch train or take our focus off genuine scumhunting. So if that was the case, in my mind you're basically admitting at actively derailing the thread for no reason at best, and shading Mac with impunity at worst.

I'm [VOTE: voting Alien] aubergine. None of this comes across as remotely genuine to me.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:05 pm
just LOL even read it! His tone is condescending even!

I just can't even. This is not a townie.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:33 pm I'm obviously in my own head so you all tell me I'm full of shit or totally onto something. I've made my evaluation of it clear.

I'll post a reads list and then try to calm down and move onto something else.

(interior quotes removed for length)

MP, to offer a counterpoint: this actually seems to me just like your and Mac's personalities, and not alignment-indicative at all. Since you brought up the Star Wars game, read some posts Mac made when getting me lynched there. I remember it feeling SUPER condescending: that's how Mac expresses his scum reads. A when you get in one of these modes where you're super duper confident about a read of your own, you tend to crow a bit (like you are now), that's bound to set Mac (who I've pointed out as being a reactionary player numerous times already this game) off. I don't think Mac has an agenda here; I think he has an agenda most of the time against anyone who goes at him. I read this as civ MP and civ Mac not being on each other's level.

Come vote Alien with me! Or tell me why it's a bad idea.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:43 pm There was not enough reason for me to do that as scum. I did it under no duress. That is civ behaviour. Had I done it with votes on me or something would be different.

At any rate no. As scum I would never be that risky. I am not a stoner 23 year old anymore. I play differently.

You already told me that you are inclined to respond with urgency when I suspect you, because people that I suspect don't live very long. My ire is worth a few votes.

Respond to MP's shit and I'll see how I feel. I don't buy that you'd never do that though.

I am phone posting at red lights. My ability to piece my thoughts together is inhibited. I only started posting because MP was ruining my day lol.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:52 pm Anyone got anything for me while im here? its 2 am and im about to go to sleep.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:52 pm Anyone got anything for me while im here? its 2 am and im about to go to sleep.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:52 pm MP I made a post earlier that you said was town as fuck. I made one this morning that you think screams scum. I think you should consider whether you are suffering from recency bias and shove off.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:53 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:52 pm Anyone got anything for me while im here? its 2 am and im about to go to sleep.

Such a townie post. Towniest town who ever towned.

abyssum wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:34 pm also Tsaiah i'm going to need you to explain how my posting got townier

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:53 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:52 pm Anyone got anything for me while im here? its 2 am and im about to go to sleep.

Uhhh what do you think of... anyone? Like GTH reads of everyone actually? That'd be super helpful. They don't even have to be informed.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:56 pm Alright fine if I made just a giant ass of myself so be it. I'll just walk away. Clearly you all could do without me anyway probably.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:59 pm im realizing i've been very closeminded and should start paying attention more to my orange yellows

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:01 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:56 pm Alright fine if I made just a giant ass of myself so be it. I'll just walk away. Clearly you all could do without me anyway probably.

Not at all. Fwiw I think your point about that post lacking a sense of him sorting his alignment makes sense and your case does make me reconsider him, because even though it's just one post, it could be him falling short on keeping his act up all the time of genuinely trying to sort him. But Townies aren't exempt from making those posts either of course, so it's not something that makes me want to lynch him, just reconsider him, but even if it's wrong and you're Town you at least made sense so didn't make an ass of yourself in my eyes.