The Syndicate

Really if Fayt and I are corpses and the game isn’t over, thorough reassessment across the board is warranted. A step out of tunnels and confirmation bias will be necessary for the rest of y’all in that world. Even if you end up at the same reads.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:56 pm You're asking me to assume that the mafia team didn't think critically and fell into your trap. I think you're actually abusing your reputation here. But the flaw is your assumption that I would have fallen for the former assumption. I don't think speed would have taken your bait, therefore he was in on it with you in a grander scheme.

speed is a great player whom I respect without limit. He fell for it.

You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:56 pm You're asking me to assume that the mafia team didn't think critically and fell into your trap. I think you're actually abusing your reputation here. But the flaw is your assumption that I would have fallen for the former assumption. I don't think speed would have taken your bait, therefore he was in on it with you in a grander scheme.

speed is a great player whom I respect without limit. He fell for it.

You need therapy.

Jay isn't making much sense. Not any actually, but his tone sounds very much like a genuine townie who can't wait to rub it in after they flip town.

The sheer magnitude of egotism is astounding.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:56 pm You're asking me to assume that the mafia team didn't think critically and fell into your trap. I think you're actually abusing your reputation here. But the flaw is your assumption that I would have fallen for the former assumption. I don't think speed would have taken your bait, therefore he was in on it with you in a grander scheme.

speed is a great player whom I respect without limit. He fell for it.

You need therapy.

I’m knee deep in it already! I’m too zen this game to take offense to that.

I have actually made similar mistakes as a baddo before to what speed seems to have done. I understand it. I think it was the Currents game when my team and I got baited into shooting a vanilla wafer because he looked like a power role (i.e. his reads sold him as one, falsely). Derps happen to all of us.

There's the "zen" again lmao. How many times have you said that this game? It may have been true earlier but certainly not now.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:03 pm There's the "zen" again lmao. How many times have you said that this game? It may have been true earlier but certainly not now.

The zen has definitely been challenged! I think I’m hanging in there. In past games I might have insulted someone by now.

OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMM

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

what changed from you wanting fayt to be lynched and jay to be vig'd?

What the hell did I just read?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:00 pm The sheer magnitude of egotism is astounding.

And I think you’re fundamentally misinterpreting me on this stuff with respect to ego. I think speedchuck is a better Mafia player than I am in a lot of aspects. Anyone can make an error though, no matter how good a player.

I made a giant error today by sharing my experiment at all! I make errors constantly. I have voted like poop in this game so far. I suck!

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:47 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:41 pm Let me tell ya something. that shit isn't straight at all.
it's gayer than me.

Also laugh at this i am hilarious

Don't worry, while catching up I had to read that post out loud so BR would hear it and also laugh.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:08 pm What the hell did I just read?

This time I actually am sorry.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:09 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:47 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:41 pm Let me tell ya something. that shit isn't straight at all.
it's gayer than me.

Also laugh at this i am hilarious

Don't worry, while catching up I had to read that post out loud so BR would hear it and also laugh.

Fayt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:46 am And I also reconsidered my read to you but you're on the lower spectrum because I am wondering if you are the last cat, what would be your plan afterwards if/when you mislynch me because 1. you jumped off of Rej. 2. went after sprityo. 3. going after me. Who is going to believe you at this point.

This doesn’t make sense to me. Doggo translators get to work on it when I am dead doggo.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

It's 9-1. The mindset of a civilian right now should be, "I need to figure out who the last cat is so I can be done reading this."

The species checker role is all but moot at this point.

What are you going to do with Jay's role if he is not a cat?

I don't have any issues with going to the office and timing and all that.

To me, it comes down to this: Is the TSP experiment real, and it worked like a charm on the baddie team? I can easily believe that, and I like the experiment very much.

Or, is it a Master Plan that went too far and started looking suspicious? Did baddie JJJ deliberately set this "TSP is Civ" thing up from the start, just so he could nightkill him, expecting everyone to forget WIFOM and just applaud the plan and brand him Civ?

I mean, JJJ has been around a while. I don't know if he, as a baddie, would a) try that plan at all, and b) would remotely expect it to work on this ragtag group of conspiracy theorists.

What did you say about it, JJJ? Like, something about a rock-solid proof that you are Civ... that's how you prefaced this?

What is that - foolish, unrealistic optimism, or hopeful Plan follow-through?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:16 pm I don't have any issues with going to the office and timing and all that.

To me, it comes down to this: Is the TSP experiment real, and it worked like a charm on the baddie team? I can easily believe that, and I like the experiment very much.

Or, is it a Master Plan that went too far and started looking suspicious? Did baddie JJJ deliberately set this "TSP is Civ" thing up from the start, just so he could nightkill him, expecting everyone to forget WIFOM and just applaud the plan and brand him Civ?

I mean, JJJ has been around a while. I don't know if he, as a baddie, would a) try that plan at all, and b) would remotely expect it to work on this ragtag group of conspiracy theorists.

Bless you Long Con. Oh bless you so.

JJJ, the last Cat against 9 dogs. Very difficult odds, not impossible. He has done it before.

Is this the basket such a JJJ puts all his eggs into? How could he see this plan as his ticket to the win?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:19 pmBless you Long Con. Oh bless you so.

I'm trying to keep it real here... lots of the stuff I read didn't feel relevant to me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:18 pm What did you say about it, JJJ? Like, something about a rock-solid proof that you are Civ... that's how you prefaced this?

What is that - foolish, unrealistic optimism, or hopeful Plan follow-through?

I called it “as reasonably as something can clear me in a setup like this”. Clearly that was too optimistic. My interpretation of my own standing is colored by knowing exactly what I did with a clarity that nobody else can share.

Looking at the roles we have left... there's a pretty good reason to try to end the vote in a tie. I think we should try to do that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:18 pm What did you say about it, JJJ? Like, something about a rock-solid proof that you are Civ... that's how you prefaced this?

What is that - foolish, unrealistic optimism, or hopeful Plan follow-through?

I called it “as reasonably as something can clear me in a setup like this”. Clearly that was too optimistic. My interpretation of my own standing is colored by knowing exactly what I did with a clarity that nobody else can share.

I do want to believe you, and the TSP plan was super-cool if it's legit.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:19 pmBless you Long Con. Oh bless you so.

I'm trying to keep it real here... lots of the stuff I read didn't feel relevant to me.

Even if you decide against me in the end, you spent a moment in the rational space that is to me so obvious. It does my heart good. I will rest easier in the dirt knowing that someone got there.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:54 pm So Dragomir looks better in light of the Day 2 voting. Michelle looks authentic today, but I still lack a concrete or objective basis to clear her.

Mac never entertained anything I said for a second, so there’s room for opportunism. I don’t feel that way about nutella or Dom right now.

If it’s not Fayt, Michelle and Mac are my next suspects up. If someone I have long trusted is a deep cat, perhaps it’s Long Con. I don’t get it, but plenty of intelligent and talented players have beefed. So those four would probably be my present POE: Fayt, Michelle, Mac, LC.

I am trending up in your Poe?
I was authentic... wow.. Feels like you give a little bone for me and i should swag tail and bark happy.
Who gives a damn on authenticity nowadays? Not JJJ who inserts me in his Poe like he knows everything :/

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:19 pmBless you Long Con. Oh bless you so.

I'm trying to keep it real here... lots of the stuff I read didn't feel relevant to me.

Even if you decide against me in the end, you spent a moment in the rational space that is to me so obvious. It does my heart good. I will rest easier in the dirt knowing that someone got there.

I am a Good Boi.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:22 pm Looking at the roles we have left... there's a pretty good reason to try to end the vote in a tie. I think we should try to do that.

this is ok

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:54 pm So Dragomir looks better in light of the Day 2 voting. Michelle looks authentic today, but I still lack a concrete or objective basis to clear her.

Mac never entertained anything I said for a second, so there’s room for opportunism. I don’t feel that way about nutella or Dom right now.

If it’s not Fayt, Michelle and Mac are my next suspects up. If someone I have long trusted is a deep cat, perhaps it’s Long Con. I don’t get it, but plenty of intelligent and talented players have beefed. So those four would probably be my present POE: Fayt, Michelle, Mac, LC.

I am trending up in your Poe?
I was authentic... wow.. Feels like you give a little bone for me and i should swag tail and bark happy.
Who gives a damn on authenticity nowadays? Not JJJ who inserts me in his Poe like he knows everything :/

I do love the idea of a swag tail, but for the record, dogs wag their tails.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:22 pm Looking at the roles we have left... there's a pretty good reason to try to end the vote in a tie. I think we should try to do that.

Good call. We’ve our soft voter good boy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:12 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:46 am And I also reconsidered my read to you but you're on the lower spectrum because I am wondering if you are the last cat, what would be your plan afterwards if/when you mislynch me because 1. you jumped off of Rej. 2. went after sprityo. 3. going after me. Who is going to believe you at this point.

This doesn’t make sense to me. Doggo translators get to work on it when I am dead doggo.

Mostly rambling from me being sick. I thought of you being the last cat but after this entire grandeur and adding more suspicion onto yourself, I don't think so. I mean, I don't know you very well. Are you the type to be a schemey, all according to plan, type of person as scum? I can't say for sure because I don't know anyone but maybe Dragomir and Nova here.

Then again you think I'm a cat just cause I believe in you so w.e. I'm ok with being lynched/vigged. If you're not a cat JJJ, the only person I would exclude from your POE is Michelle. Mainly because if she is scum, she wouldn't be outright day 1 vouch for Rej but that's just my opinion on it.

I find Dom, Epi, and Nutella to be good. Nova's good too but he's my darkhorse. Every game I play with him, I can't read him.

The speedchuck flip made me reconsider Mac just off of the voting patterns. Speedchuck's comment about "can drago and rej both be bad" I can't tell if it's a slip or not.

nut-- epi still is going after dragomir, why doesn't that read poorly on him?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:22 pm Looking at the roles we have left... there's a pretty good reason to try to end the vote in a tie. I think we should try to do that.

I wanted to suggest that before but I was worried that would be role fishing and put the person in danger though hm.

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Jay isn't making much sense. Not any actually, but his tone sounds very much like a genuine townie who can't wait to rub it in after they flip town.
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Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

I need an explanation here. You read him town for latest posts but you want to speed lynch him.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:08 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

what changed from you wanting fayt to be lynched and jay to be vig'd?

I want to see what he flips, right now.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:27 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:00 pm Jay isn't making much sense. Not any actually, but his tone sounds very much like a genuine townie who can't wait to rub it in after they flip town.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

I need an explanation here. You read him town for latest posts but you want to speed lynch him.

ebwop fixed the quote

[mention]Michelle[/mention] yes, I read him.as town and want to lynch him.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:54 pm So Dragomir looks better in light of the Day 2 voting. Michelle looks authentic today, but I still lack a concrete or objective basis to clear her.

Mac never entertained anything I said for a second, so there’s room for opportunism. I don’t feel that way about nutella or Dom right now.

If it’s not Fayt, Michelle and Mac are my next suspects up. If someone I have long trusted is a deep cat, perhaps it’s Long Con. I don’t get it, but plenty of intelligent and talented players have beefed. So those four would probably be my present POE: Fayt, Michelle, Mac, LC.

I am trending up in your Poe?
I was authentic... wow.. Feels like you give a little bone for me and i should swag tail and bark happy.
Who gives a damn on authenticity nowadays? Not JJJ who inserts me in his Poe like he knows everything :/

At this point I don’t think you’re even listening to me, so you can be my backup cat.

Michelle is not clear. Tone is useless.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:15 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

It's 9-1. The mindset of a civilian right now should be, "I need to figure out who the last cat is so I can be done reading this."

The species checker role is all but moot at this point.

What are you going to do with Jay's role if he is not a cat?

Nothing.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:28 pm Michelle yes, I read him.as town and want to lynch him.

This man loves drama!

Fayt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:27 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:22 pm Looking at the roles we have left... there's a pretty good reason to try to end the vote in a tie. I think we should try to do that.

I wanted to suggest that before but I was worried that would be role fishing and put the person in danger though hm.

I don't think it's role fishing. We know which roles are here and which roles are dead. And it could be any voter on either side of the tie, so it doesn't particularly point to any one player to put them in danger.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:20 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:07 am speedchuck, why Rej?

Because not Dragomir. Dragomir's current play feels scummy, but doesn't make much sense as scumplay on further reflection.

I buy Dragomir's response to pressure better than Rej's. Rej has been on edge since the first time he was prodded.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:07 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:35 am @Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?

Gimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?

Felt like a disproportionate reaction, hardly worth noting at the time. But it's escalated to the point that he has a vote on you, and that read doesn't seem genuine. He's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.

Is it too much of a stretch to say that speedchuck was not throwing Rej under the bus as much as he was trying to keep a more powerful kitty role in play?

Yeah, it easily could be Drago. If the current shit doesn't fly, I will support Drago being dead before LYLO or MYLO or FYLO or whateverTFLO.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:28 pm @Michelle yes, I read him.as town and want to lynch him.

Let's lynch a cat please. At least we should try.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:30 pm Is it too much of a stretch to say that speedchuck was not throwing Rej under the bus as much as he was trying to keep a more powerful kitty role in play?

I’d call it a moderate stretch if not necessarily unbelievable. The development of voting would indicate Dragomir here I think.

I think Dragomir looks mostly like a dog. Evidentially bad and tonally good.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:32 pm Yeah, it easily could be Drago. If the current shit doesn't fly, I will support Drago being dead before LYLO or MYLO or FYLO or whateverTFLO.

LyLo more like CryLo amirite.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:33 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:28 pm @Michelle yes, I read him.as town and want to lynch him.

Let's lynch a cat please. At least we should try.

This depends on who you're asking. Some ppl think Jay is scum, others like me and Jay think someone else. You sound sure that Jay is not cat. Why is that?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:27 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:08 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:58 pm You know what, I'ma vote Jay. I really want to see what he flips. Nothing against you Jay.

what changed from you wanting fayt to be lynched and jay to be vig'd?

I want to see what he flips, right now.

lol this is why i voted for you for two days straight

[mention]Michelle[/mention] you’ve been shoving my nose in doggy poo all day but I see nary a vote. What are you waiting for?