Hot Fuzz Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Jackofhearts2005]

if anne and sabi are both town I will consume human urine through a straw from a glass made of poop

[Lilypetal]

@Lilypetal can you talk to me about your read on lucy and why you started thinking she was mafia later day 2

fairly sure i was just sheeping neon's policy yeet i thought lucy was fine

[Seanzie]

Seanzie is weird because he's just saying "I'm town dude" in response to suspicions on him but then he's also suspicious of Jack for reading him as town, and Mac did leave a suspicion there.

The difference is, I believe your suspicion of me is coming from a genuine place, whereas I do not believe Jack's townread is.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Seanzie is weird because he's just saying "I'm town dude" in response to suspicions on him but then he's also suspicious of Jack for reading him as town, and Mac did leave a suspicion there.

The difference is, I believe your suspicion of me is coming from a genuine place, whereas I do not believe Jack's townread is.

You dare call me insincere? Who do you think you are?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Me: Seanzie is being annoying by calling a weak surface read scummy.

dunno about lily
seanzie you think is townie
i don’t think jack is scum because intuition

Also me: This weak surface read on me from Lucy is scummy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

dunno about lily
seanzie you think is townie
i don’t think jack is scum because intuition

I didn't ask for my own opinions

you make reads and be townie or my townread on you disappears and you die today

lul

[obscurity]

hmmm looking at Sabi's ISO then I'll check Lucy's again.

I'm bored

2.5 hours til EoD and I RaNdOmLy put mac into the lead with 3 votes.

What are the top 3 players you would be willing to vote for today, sabi?

Mac, Rondo, lucy and maybe cape.

Cape has felt towny lately ish so I'm swinging back and forth

I could see Sabi mentioning a partner here.

@anne why do you think Lucy clear?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Literally a by the recipe player salad.

How the mighty have fallen.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Boo I'm bored someone post

FYI this is the best joke in the movie.

[obscurity]

Lucy ISO:
-Asks some general questions about people's thoughts
-Says scum Lucy wouldn't be caught
-Calls my reads bad/mindless when I say Scotty/Anne/Cape/Creature all obvious villagers
-Mentions they don't need to take me seriously
-More general questions to people about play
-Asks creature how confident he is that she's scum

Note: This feels like a weird thing to ask??
-Asks some more questions that feel kind of meaningless in terms of scumhunting
-100% one scum in Anne/Sabi
-Weakish read on Jack
-Says they should probably die as the D1 CW
-Wilgy is top SR
-Yells about Sabi wagon, calls it consisting of wolves
-More bold/loud defense of Sabi, push onto Mac/Anne
-Says she was drunk

hmmm.. yeah idk, not as towny as I thought. I think I got thrown by the emotional appeal at me. Seems to indulge in drunken play that comes across as powerwolfy, then regrets it later... nothing unpaired from Sabi's side. will vote here for now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is now the time to soft a red on ruri

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Seanzie is weird because he's just saying "I'm town dude" in response to suspicions on him but then he's also suspicious of Jack for reading him as town, and Mac did leave a suspicion there.

Yep that's Seanzie

[Jackofhearts2005]

Is now the time to soft a red on ruri

Give it a few more hours.

[anne]

hmmm looking at Sabi's ISO then I'll check Lucy's again.

I'm bored

2.5 hours til EoD and I RaNdOmLy put mac into the lead with 3 votes.

What are the top 3 players you would be willing to vote for today, sabi?

Mac, Rondo, lucy and maybe cape.

Cape has felt towny lately ish so I'm swinging back and forth

I could see Sabi mentioning a partner here.

@anne why do you think Lucy clear?

Sabi voted with me and scotty and someone else (I forget who) to flashwagon Lucy at EOD1 and Lucy almost died as a result

[Jackofhearts2005]

hmmm looking at Sabi's ISO then I'll check Lucy's again.

I'm bored

2.5 hours til EoD and I RaNdOmLy put mac into the lead with 3 votes.

What are the top 3 players you would be willing to vote for today, sabi?

Mac, Rondo, lucy and maybe cape.

Cape has felt towny lately ish so I'm swinging back and forth

I could see Sabi mentioning a partner here.

@anne why do you think Lucy clear?

Sabi voted with me and scotty and someone else (I forget who) to flashwagon Lucy at EOD1 and Lucy almost died as a result

Yeah but isn't the alternative Sabi just gets yeeted?

If Sabi and Lucy are teamed, it doesn't change if a wolf gets yeeted but it does make the two of them look unpaired. As far as busses go, it's a fine move.

[anne]

hmmm looking at Sabi's ISO then I'll check Lucy's again.

I'm bored

2.5 hours til EoD and I RaNdOmLy put mac into the lead with 3 votes.

What are the top 3 players you would be willing to vote for today, sabi?

Mac, Rondo, lucy and maybe cape.

Cape has felt towny lately ish so I'm swinging back and forth

I could see Sabi mentioning a partner here.

@anne why do you think Lucy clear?

Sabi voted with me and scotty and someone else (I forget who) to flashwagon Lucy at EOD1 and Lucy almost died as a result

Yeah but isn't the alternative Sabi just gets yeeted?

If Sabi and Lucy are teamed, it doesn't change if a wolf gets yeeted but it does make the two of them look unpaired. As far as busses go, it's a fine move.

No? It was Cape vs Lucy

[obscurity]

Are you sure Sabi was on it? I know Lucy got flashwagoned because I tried to switch my vote and it was locked. Not having the vote count is annoying.

[Jackofhearts2005]

hmmm looking at Sabi's ISO then I'll check Lucy's again.

I'm bored

2.5 hours til EoD and I RaNdOmLy put mac into the lead with 3 votes.

What are the top 3 players you would be willing to vote for today, sabi?

Mac, Rondo, lucy and maybe cape.

Cape has felt towny lately ish so I'm swinging back and forth

I could see Sabi mentioning a partner here.

@anne why do you think Lucy clear?

Sabi voted with me and scotty and someone else (I forget who) to flashwagon Lucy at EOD1 and Lucy almost died as a result

Yeah but isn't the alternative Sabi just gets yeeted?

If Sabi and Lucy are teamed, it doesn't change if a wolf gets yeeted but it does make the two of them look unpaired. As far as busses go, it's a fine move.

No? It was Cape vs Lucy

Oh, this was D1? Huh. I guess I need to reread that.

[anne]

Are you sure Sabi was on it? I know Lucy got flashwagoned because I tried to switch my vote and it was locked. Not having the vote count is annoying.

Yes, sabi even references it at SOD2

[Jackofhearts2005]

I thought I was on the Lucy flashwagon and I wasn't around for EOD1.

[anne]

I thought I was on the Lucy flashwagon and I wasn't around for EOD1.

well sabi died near unanimously yesterday so idk how you could make that mistake lol

[obscurity]

meh, I see it. I guess it depends if Sabi really expected Lucy to die, which I dunno. I still wouldn't outrule a bus from some of their interactions. I think 1 in Lucy/Lily, anyway.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I thought I was on the Lucy flashwagon and I wasn't around for EOD1.

well sabi died near unanimously yesterday so idk how you could make that mistake lol

Yeah, you're right.

[obscurity]

She voted Lucy 1 minute before votes locked, putting her at 3-6 with Cape I believe (4-6 max) - whatever it was I saw that even if my vote to Lucy had switched correctly, Lucy wouldn't have had enough votes to die

[anne]

She voted Lucy 1 minute before votes locked, putting her at 3-6 with Cape I believe (4-6 max) - whatever it was I saw that even if my vote to Lucy had switched correctly, Lucy wouldn't have had enough votes to die

Incorrect, it was 4-5. Nanook was the last vote that day.

[anne]

Tbc, the ending vote was 4-6 with Nanook's vote being the 6th, but his vote was the last and before that it was 4-5.

[anne]

I don't think Lucy is clear but ehhh

[obscurity]

hmm okay. I think I just plainly feel uncomfortable clearing someone for that reason, especially when Sabi had expressed a townread on Cape so was sort of motivated/compelled to bus there if she had to.

it is plausible Lucy is town but I'm going to value Lucy posting over that.

[obscurity]

I do agree that the Rondo stuff for sure looks unpaired though from my re-read.

[pyxxy]

She voted Lucy 1 minute before votes locked, putting her at 3-6 with Cape I believe (4-6 max) - whatever it was I saw that even if my vote to Lucy had switched correctly, Lucy wouldn't have had enough votes to die

Incorrect, it was 4-5. Nanook was the last vote that day.

f we believe nooky boy's "technically after the D1 poll closed and thus when no one should have been posting" post

It was 5/5 when I moved to cape, if he flips red

If lucy flips red later the vc was 6/4 at eod and my move didn't matter so im still town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You can believe it, its accurate

[pyxxy]

You can believe it, its accurate

ook you 11 minutes to cover your ass that time nook, you're slowing down :'(

[pyxxy]

You can believe it, its accurate

ook you 11 minutes to cover your ass that time nook, you're slowing down :'(

mean 8. jesus sorry i cannot read or count in this game idk what's wrong with me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You can believe it, its accurate

ook you 11 minutes to cover your ass that time nook, you're slowing down :'(

I have dicey internet and low wim

[Creature]

Is the red check on Ruri legit?

[DrWilgy]

Looking at the ISO

Happy to see Jack again and not happy to see he's gimmicking again....

@anne why did you tr cape and seanzie for not giving AI content?

@Cape90 same question but in regards to Falcon?

@obscurity why do you think what I said wasn't fake able?

@Scotty you have a lot of thoughts on people's openings. Rank em

@Neon why did Anne vote you?

@DrWilgy why did you choose cape to kingmaker and why are we kingmaking a closed set up

None of these questions are productive because they make assumptions. You're assuming that Seanzie and Cape90 haven't towntold, which I disagree with. Seanzie had a pretty loud opening, immediately declaring himself as town and asserting that he knew who the wolves were. This isn't super townie, but it is lightly townie to be so brazen. Cape90 came out right away with a clear townread on falcon and was somewhat skeptical of people already calling him townie, to me those things are lightly townie because it shows a small level of self-absorption and it's stating a read clearly so early on in the game without any "frills".

I mean they're definitely not locktown level or anywhere near, but those were the openings that seemed the best to me. Similarly, why would Neon know why I scumread them when I didn't really provide an explanation beyond quoting the post I thought was scummy?

I do have to disagree on the whole self proclaiming the self as town in their first post when plenty of wolfs have abused that strat to get townie points during rvs. So from my pov that's a NAI statement and I don't understand how you can think that's towny. Also the fact Seanzie never really vocalized said wolf read is eyebrow raising because like if it's so obvious why not talk about it. He has popped in the thread enough to not say it.

Good look for Sean here.

[pyxxy]

Is the red check on Ruri legit?

uri has quickly gone from barely a presence to either doc or dead or i guess probably still soon-to-be dead if they really are doc

it is interesting that 3 votes was enough to force a response

@Creature would you agree with obs here re: ruri should do a tell-all?

@Ruri you should full claim probably, with who you saved/why. Reason you weren't on Mac?

[DrWilgy]

Honestly the fact Rondo and Mac are questioning my morales right now is fucking infuriating

I DON'T PLAY LIKE THAT.

THERE'S CERTAIN LINES EVEN I DON'T CROSS.

I think Rondo is clear.

[Creature]

Is the red check on Ruri legit?

uri has quickly gone from barely a presence to either doc or dead or i guess probably still soon-to-be dead if they really are doc

it is interesting that 3 votes was enough to force a response

@Creature would you agree with obs here re: ruri should do a tell-all?

@Ruri you should full claim probably, with who you saved/why. Reason you weren't on Mac?

I'm skeptical of their doc claim so maybe yeah.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Is the red check on Ruri legit?

2legit2quit

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Jk I'm still in the softing phase

[DrWilgy]

Sup everyone.

Mac make a wolf case on me since you insist on a wolf.

Neon make a wolf case on me.

I'm still mad irt cape.

I'm fine with voting lucy or Mac today.
Lucy was saved and cape wagon is scummy.

Gn

The diff check still stands, Lucy is never W.

[DrWilgy]

Lilypetal
Lucy
Jack of hearts
Porcha
Ronda
Ruri

Find the wolves here.

Whomst do you think is most likely. Order it plz.

NOOK I felt kind of town vibes from EOD.

.... I don't see it.

Also Anne was shading Scotty EOD so idk why she would then kill him.

Sort of this Schia's opening was towny too as it seemed to lack TMI on Scotty.

there are 4 mafia making decisions

Scotty scumread Anne and me

Sabi spewed Scotty town

Scotty was blatantly obv town. Please stop conf biasing me.

@anne @Sabiplz

lily
seanzie
Jack

can you please give me a reasonably detailed appraisal of these slots plz

Lily: hm I still have her null. She still pretty disengaged with the game so it's hard to grasp her alignment. She is struggling to give reads which is similar to her wolf Rands. But idk I need more.

Seanzie: he's not death tunneling anyone which is giving me sus. Every game I played he has death tunneled so this feels like the departure from the norm. Can't tell if this is AI because why wouldn't Sean keep tunneling if he was scum?

Jack: just exists. Nothing AI. Lackluster shell of a slot.

Sean locktown

[DrWilgy]

Done with that. Thoughts:

Falcon, Jack, Nook and Lily were all in this weird realm of mentioned but nothing placed.

Sean and Lucy are locktown. Rondo is town lean very close to clear.

Based strictly on memory, I recall liking Anne's input on Sabi's claim. Feels like a nail in the coffin that I wouldn't have expected from a teammate.

@Porscha why did you feel inclined to vote change last min to Sabi? They were already dead.

[obscurity]

Can you explain how that clears both Sean and Lucy? Is your assumption that mafia is never going to shade their partner because.. my last experience was very different from that.

I agree that the Rondo interaction was very unpaired.

[obscurity]

Actually I do kinda agree that the first one in orange is pretty good for Seanzie. The second one you lock towned him for I don't see at all though, she essentially says Seanzie is playing different than usual but "idk lol"

[DrWilgy]

so lucy and pyxxy are obvious town now, cool

creature probably town from cursory inspection

obscurity probably tmi'd town

lol this iso is a gold mine

Can you talk to me about obscurity, creature, and pyxxy. I didn't immediately see those.

Obscurity I recall was pushing really hard for a Lily push in spite of the Sabi wagon being lead. I do still, however, need to look at their iso re Lily per their request.

[DrWilgy]

Can you explain how that clears both Sean and Lucy? Is your assumption that mafia is never going to shade their partner because.. my last experience was very different from that.

I agree that the Rondo interaction was very unpaired.

Lucy is a momentum thing.

Mac sunk his fangs in and Lucy immediately followed suit. A teammate doesn't ever do that.

The quote was mostly just validating a read that already existed.

[obscurity]

I knew Sabi was dying and was encouraging it. Just boring to talk about someone who was also near mech confirmed, thus I was talking about my Lily read despite knowing Lily would not die.

mac please quote the posts where i called cape scum or pushed cape at all

sabi did

you just sat back with the most clout and presence day 1 and let him get wagoned lol

except i joined the cw against him, game seems low quality so didnt feel like expending more effort than that when people are townlocking players like neon who is probably an obvious wolf

well imo there's 1 to 2 wolves between you and sabi and you played day 1 in lockstep so you're either thr masons, both mafia or you're pocketed by sabi

the only reason i would be pocketed by sabi is because theyre the only person not scumreading me for bs reasons rofl

well if you are town that should worry you cuz if everyone thinks ur mafia except sabi they probably just have tmi

Does obscurity also have tmi because tr anne?

Does scotty also have tmi because he tr anne?

Any other bullshit you need to peddle?

You're flailing like you did when achro pushed you last game

Also not sure if this is what Anne is referring to, but this to me FMPOV struck me as TMI/sus while Sabi was still alive, because Sabi was acting like they knew my alignment and were throwing it at Mac like "clearly Obscurity and Scotty don't have TMI, but I do?"

[DrWilgy]

Actually I do kinda agree that the first one in orange is pretty good for Seanzie. The second one you lock towned him for I don't see at all though, she essentially says Seanzie is playing different than usual but "idk lol"

Re Sean, it's a progressive tell.

Sabi gave a negation of a town read into a scum read that's super hedge to avoid being caught wrong.

Unless Sabi had intended to bus teammate Sean from the beginning of the game, the progression doesn't go like this for a teammate.