Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:45 am
That guy looks too merry
That guy looks too merry
Do you intend to keep your vote on me?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 amPosts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 amWe need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!
*crickets*
How's the fence treating you?
*vote sloons*
What an odd question.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:45 amDo you intend to keep your vote on me?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 amPosts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 amWe need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!
*crickets*
How's the fence treating you?
*vote sloons*
Then I retract my eyeroll. But my stance on Epi was meant to slow the roll against him. We had a lot of people coming out against him and promising votes for something that I thought was worth noticing, but hardly worth an earnest suspicion at this stage in the game. I didn't want to see all the focus fall on him today. I'm not fence-sitting. I'm just being as cautious as I always am.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:54 amWhat an odd question.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:45 amDo you intend to keep your vote on me?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 amPosts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 amWe need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!
*crickets*
How's the fence treating you?
*vote sloons*
I will answer it by saying I subscribe to the maxim "Vote early, vote often."
I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 amI don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 amI think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.
Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.
Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.
Hey, remember that time (in the second or third to last Hybridity, I think?) That I OMAC'd myself by asking a question only mafia would ask? Then tried to weasel out by saying I was setting a trap?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.
Also, people get lazy.
Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.
I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:39 am I don't like this Epi lynch. Feels like there's a bunch of scum surrounding him like vultures waiting to see if they can lynch him or not. Lots of people "kind of" wanting to vote for him.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:04 pmThen I retract my eyeroll. But my stance on Epi was meant to slow the roll against him. We had a lot of people coming out against him and promising votes for something that I thought was worth noticing, but hardly worth an earnest suspicion at this stage in the game. I didn't want to see all the focus fall on him today. I'm not fence-sitting. I'm just being as cautious as I always am.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:54 amWhat an odd question.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:45 amDo you intend to keep your vote on me?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 amPosts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 amWe need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!
*crickets*
How's the fence treating you?
*vote sloons*
I will answer it by saying I subscribe to the maxim "Vote early, vote often."
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:21 pm Voting Sloonei, I agree on the point about fence sitting.
Yeah, here the meta seems to be that votes are srs bsns. Which (IMO) helps the mafia, as they can wait to throw down their vote until the lynch subjects have been relatively decided. In a meta where votes flow freely, it becomes much more dangerous to do a distancing early vote on a teammate, because if they end up accruing votes it looks really suspicious to back out without a good reason.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:23 pm I've just noticed something, after reading Bob's "vote early/often" expression.
In a standard NF game I change my vote 3-4 times every phase, give or take. I vote often and boldly.
But here I feel like I have some restraint voting, perhaps because of the first games I played in this forum that didn't allow changing votes.
I've been having better results as a civ there than here, so I'll try to keep that in mind. I should vote more often.
Already done, but you want more words?If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
My reaction also was to vote nutella. My perspective after giving it some thought, however, is to question if nutella would be so careless and flippant if she were mafia, knowing that being careless and flippant would likely draw votes. I need to hear more.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:48 pm![]()
*votes Nutella*
My mind went straight to the gutter with this one.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 amI take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.
Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.
"Buddying" two civilians on Day 1 is not going to stop my lynch if that is what the majority wishes (not that I agree I have "buddied" anybody).Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.
Can anyone who has ever been bad with me point to a time when I set up a long term plan Day 1?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:53 am You are implying that "setting up a long game" is something I, as mafia, would do on Day 1. That is mistaken. The fact is I don't bother with long term planning Day 1 when I am bad. It's antithetical to success in most cases, because to be good at being bad, one must be flexible and able to dance. And I am a fine dancer.![]()
Wait a minute.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.
No?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:27 pmHey, remember that time (in the second or third to last Hybridity, I think?) That I OMAC'd myself by asking a question only mafia would ask? Then tried to weasel out by saying I was setting a trap?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.
Also, people get lazy.
Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.
I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.
Not my finest moment.
What? You don't see the relationship between the number of Civs that believe you are Civ, and having the majority lynch?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:08 pm"Buddying" two civilians on Day 1 is not going to stop my lynch if that is what the majority wishes (not that I agree I have "buddied" anybody).Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.
Maybe, maybe not.Sloonei is not going to be intimidated by me to the extent that he won't vote for me if he feels he should (not that I agree I have intimidated Sloonei).
You are, as usual, starting with the conclusion that Epignosis is bad and making everything I do fit that conclusion.
"I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" argument tend to be super unconvincing to me.Of course, you have no response to this:
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:53 am You are implying that "setting up a long game" is something I, as mafia, would do on Day 1. That is mistaken. The fact is I don't bother with long term planning Day 1 when I am bad. It's antithetical to success in most cases, because to be good at being bad, one must be flexible and able to dance. And I am a fine dancer.![]()
Classic. "If you can't do a ton of research and find that I acted the exact same way previously, then your accusation can't be right." Do people still buy that forced-meta crap?Can anyone who has ever been bad with me point to a time when I set up a long term plan Day 1?
If not, why would I start now?
Indeed.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pmWait a minute.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.
How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?
Point LC.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Already done, but you want more words?If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
If you can't back up your accusations with, you know, facts, you should reconsider your accusations (if they are indeed genuine). I wasn't asking anybody to do any research. You can't do any such research unless you have access to old BTSC. I asked if anybody could point to a time I made some elaborate endgame-in-mind scheme on Day 1. Memory is all anybody needs for that.
why did you say you won't be voting for cbob or mesk today?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:46 pmIf you can't back up your accusations with, you know, facts, you should reconsider your accusations (if they are indeed genuine). I wasn't asking anybody to do any research. You can't do any such research unless you have access to old BTSC. I asked if anybody could point to a time I made some elaborate endgame-in-mind scheme on Day 1. Memory is all anybody needs for that.
But I can go ahead and say the answer to that is no, because it isn't how I operate. You can keep claiming I'm operating in a way I never have before if it's convenient for you.
This is not posted in good faith.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pmWait a minute.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.
How does Long Con know Mesk, coolonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians?
I retracted my good opinion of Mesk after she posted something that didn't align with my initial perspective. I'm still thinking her over.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm
Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.
Of course, civvy Epi rarely votes not in good faith.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:38 pm Long Con
Your accusation against me only works if all three of Mesk, colonialbob, and Sloonei are civilians. There is no way to know this if you are a civilian. The irony of you accusing me of "buddying" two of three is noted, because by labeling all three as civilians, one could argue that you are "buddying" three people.
Null reads on both.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:51 pmI retracted my good opinion of Mesk after she posted something that didn't align with my initial perspective. I'm still thinking her over.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pm
Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.
What is suspicious of saying who I won't vote for? I have to come to a decision somehow, and eliminating people from my pool is one way to accomplish that.
Why don't you share your opinions on colonialbob and Mesk, if my takes are suspicious to you?
I said I wouldn't vote for colonialbob today because he got my Elton John reference. I appreciated that.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:48 pmwhy did you say you won't be voting for cbob or mesk today?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:46 pmIf you can't back up your accusations with, you know, facts, you should reconsider your accusations (if they are indeed genuine). I wasn't asking anybody to do any research. You can't do any such research unless you have access to old BTSC. I asked if anybody could point to a time I made some elaborate endgame-in-mind scheme on Day 1. Memory is all anybody needs for that.
But I can go ahead and say the answer to that is no, because it isn't how I operate. You can keep claiming I'm operating in a way I never have before if it's convenient for you.
I'm not loving this version of Epignosis. He seems to be working harder at discrediting the accusations against him than actually figuring out the players making the accusations. This doesn't look like the crafty town Epignosis who will get under people's skin for the sake of reading them without any fear or regard for his own appearance. Instead he looks like he's trying to fight his way out of a corner.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob
What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?
This is the version of Epignosis that is tired of Long Con making shit up about him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:02 pmI'm not loving this version of Epignosis. He seems to be working harder at discrediting the accusations against him than actually figuring out the players making the accusations. This doesn't look like the crafty town Epignosis who will get under people's skin for the sake of reading them without any fear or regard for his own appearance. Instead he looks like he's trying to fight his way out of a corner.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob
What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?
I'll grant you that this is not the first time I've seen this show. But Long Con is not the only player who's said things about you.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:04 pmThis is the version of Epignosis that is tired of Long Con making shit up about him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:02 pmI'm not loving this version of Epignosis. He seems to be working harder at discrediting the accusations against him than actually figuring out the players making the accusations. This doesn't look like the crafty town Epignosis who will get under people's skin for the sake of reading them without any fear or regard for his own appearance. Instead he looks like he's trying to fight his way out of a corner.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob
What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?
I don't love it. He pretty clearly misinterpreted the "3 civs" thing, per your previous statement. Whether that's on purpose or just as a defense, who knows.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob
What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?
I don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.
nutella, but I expressed doubt on that front. My problem with nutella is that I think I have been wrong on her every single time. Hell, last time I defended her Henry Fonda style, and she still turned out being bad.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 pmI'll grant you that this is not the first time I've seen this show. But Long Con is not the only player who's said things about you.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:04 pmThis is the version of Epignosis that is tired of Long Con making shit up about him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:02 pmI'm not loving this version of Epignosis. He seems to be working harder at discrediting the accusations against him than actually figuring out the players making the accusations. This doesn't look like the crafty town Epignosis who will get under people's skin for the sake of reading them without any fear or regard for his own appearance. Instead he looks like he's trying to fight his way out of a corner.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob
What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?
If you could draw our attention to another player who's been off the radar so far, who would it be?
I explained the problem. See above.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:18 pm Nutella is supatown as town and not when she's bad. She killed it as a Phenon civvy I had this whole fake suspicion on her for her not being aggressive enough when we were scum together in ME that was of course a legit line of questioning I never got around to pushing cause I didn't want her dead.
What's the problem, Epi?
Is the problem that I'm a better townie than you?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:21 pmI explained the problem. See above.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:18 pm Nutella is supatown as town and not when she's bad. She killed it as a Phenon civvy I had this whole fake suspicion on her for her not being aggressive enough when we were scum together in ME that was of course a legit line of questioning I never got around to pushing cause I didn't want her dead.
What's the problem, Epi?